In reply to Post #284
Really?
When I go to the pub I'd like to feel safe. If everyone in the pub has either had a vaccine or had a negative test recently then I'd feel as safe as I can be.
Same for when I go to the football, the cinema, to a concert or festival,
IF you want to go abroad fishing you'll probably need something to prove your either protected or not Covid positive... It's no real hardship. This will be the new normal
I have a jab booked for tomorrow morning. Hopeful Gigantica will be seeing me by the end of the year...
There's nowt to be afraid of...
Obviously the threat from Virus mutations could knock any feeling of safety but fingers crossed it won't mutate and kill all of humanity....
Really?
When I go to the pub I'd like to feel safe. If everyone in the pub has either had a vaccine or had a negative test recently then I'd feel as safe as I can be.
Same for when I go to the football, the cinema, to a concert or festival,
IF you want to go abroad fishing you'll probably need something to prove your either protected or not Covid positive... It's no real hardship. This will be the new normal
I have a jab booked for tomorrow morning. Hopeful Gigantica will be seeing me by the end of the year...There's nowt to be afraid of...
Obviously the threat from Virus mutations could knock any feeling of safety but fingers crossed it won't mutate and kill all of humanity....
In reply to Post #286
So basically, you are saying that the Virus was created to control people?
So basically, you are saying that the Virus was created to control people?
In reply to Post #287
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
So that's 455,000 people have gone to hospital for Covid.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
And so far 126,515 deaths from Covid 19 and counting.
When will you accept that this is not scaremongering??
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare
So that's 455,000 people have gone to hospital for Covid.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
And so far 126,515 deaths from Covid 19 and counting.
When will you accept that this is not scaremongering??
In reply to Post #290
Apparently they havent died, they have been controlled.
Apparently they havent died, they have been controlled.
In reply to Post #287
WTF - They walk amongst us.
WTF - They walk amongst us.
In reply to Post #289
Fivenil and Andy why waste your time answering stupid comments, reasonable people know what is occurring and it isn't pleasant, 126,000 people in this country aren't able to contribute to this thread tonight!!
Fivenil and Andy why waste your time answering stupid comments, reasonable people know what is occurring and it isn't pleasant, 126,000 people in this country aren't able to contribute to this thread tonight!!
In reply to Post #290
You need to give your head a wobble mate , wake up and smell the coffee
You need to give your head a wobble mate , wake up and smell the coffee
In reply to Post #293
Think i need to know what drugs these people are on so i can give up mine and live in a fluffy puffy world.
Think i need to know what drugs these people are on so i can give up mine and live in a fluffy puffy world.
In reply to Post #294
So you are saying that Covid was produced as part of a George Orwell type of world yeh?
So you are saying that Covid was produced as part of a George Orwell type of world yeh?
In reply to Post #288
I agree with you but.....
In the interests of fairness, in order for you to feel safe it must follow that EVERYONE else in the pub / in the cinema/ on the plane/ ferry/eurostar (delete as appropriate) has had the opportunity to feel safe and allow you and them to feel safe.
It's no good allowing you to do those things so you can feel safe when other parts of the population haven't had that opportunity to "feel safe" ie have the vaccination.
If not what you are doing is asking others to give up their freedom so you can enjoy yours, because you have the advantage of feeling safe by dint of your vaccination status
Which is why until everyone has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, in the interest of fairness we must All follow the same set of restrictions, the vaccinated and un vaccinated.
Which is why nobody is going anywhere until October at the earliest!
I agree with you but.....
In the interests of fairness, in order for you to feel safe it must follow that EVERYONE else in the pub / in the cinema/ on the plane/ ferry/eurostar (delete as appropriate) has had the opportunity to feel safe and allow you and them to feel safe.
It's no good allowing you to do those things so you can feel safe when other parts of the population haven't had that opportunity to "feel safe" ie have the vaccination.
If not what you are doing is asking others to give up their freedom so you can enjoy yours, because you have the advantage of feeling safe by dint of your vaccination status
Which is why until everyone has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, in the interest of fairness we must All follow the same set of restrictions, the vaccinated and un vaccinated.
Which is why nobody is going anywhere until October at the earliest!
In reply to Post #290
Daily deaths have been dropping like a stone. The vulnerable have been jabbed.
Along with Israel we have probably the finest vaccination program on the planet. Israel is back to normal, yet we have the 2nd most restrictive lockdown policy on planet earth.
People are still in fear for absolute no reason whatsoever. You either get the jab and get on with your life, or don't get the jab and hide behind the sofa. Why get the jab if you still live in abject fear of a virus which is statistically more likely to kill the old and clinically vulnerable, the two groups of whom are already vaccinated? We all said things would get back to normal after the jab, right? or was this another empty "flatten the curve" narrative.
Not a poke at anyone in particular, but If you advocate the requirement for a tier 6 visa just to buy a tomato juice in your local ****ty gastro pub then more fool you and the landlord. British Businesses will silently bury themselves and their employees through the abject fear of going against the grain.
I truly believe this country will happily tolerate another lockdown in the autumn and another furlough scheme because of an obscure variant found in some Namibian village. Free money, and all the entertainment they can muster is sitting in the palm of their hand. Anyone that goes against it via the means of protest will be accused of killing our Grandparents. Kids will be accused of being super spreaders, and we'll be getting fined again for sitting on park benches.
Mugs, the lot of us.
Daily deaths have been dropping like a stone. The vulnerable have been jabbed.
Along with Israel we have probably the finest vaccination program on the planet. Israel is back to normal, yet we have the 2nd most restrictive lockdown policy on planet earth.
People are still in fear for absolute no reason whatsoever. You either get the jab and get on with your life, or don't get the jab and hide behind the sofa. Why get the jab if you still live in abject fear of a virus which is statistically more likely to kill the old and clinically vulnerable, the two groups of whom are already vaccinated? We all said things would get back to normal after the jab, right? or was this another empty "flatten the curve" narrative.
Not a poke at anyone in particular, but If you advocate the requirement for a tier 6 visa just to buy a tomato juice in your local ****ty gastro pub then more fool you and the landlord. British Businesses will silently bury themselves and their employees through the abject fear of going against the grain.
I truly believe this country will happily tolerate another lockdown in the autumn and another furlough scheme because of an obscure variant found in some Namibian village. Free money, and all the entertainment they can muster is sitting in the palm of their hand. Anyone that goes against it via the means of protest will be accused of killing our Grandparents. Kids will be accused of being super spreaders, and we'll be getting fined again for sitting on park benches.
Mugs, the lot of us.
In reply to Post #298
You're a leftie yeh?
You're a leftie yeh?
In reply to Post #299
Nope...
I have a law qualification and trained in understanding fairness as a concept.
That's the problem with the concept of fairness. Most people onlynly ever view "fairness" from the individuals perspective.
Most find it impossible to view a problem inpartially without the input of their own bias and viewpoint.
Now imagine your 24...
You couldn't go anywhere last year because the whole country was in lockdown, mainly to protect the vulnerable from a virus, which to you wasn't likely to cause you (as a 24 year old) much harm. So that wasn't reallfair on you the 24 year old.
Now the vulnerable have all been vaccinated and they want to go down the pub and on holiday to Spain, but in order to allow them to feel safe everyone else on the plane or in the pub needs to be vaccinated. So on order for those people to feel safe, because you (as a 24 year old) haven't been vaccinated you still can't go to the pub or to Spain.
So in summary you couldn't go last year when it was safe for you but wasn't for others and you can't go this year, because the others want to feel safe, why they do the things you can't do to allow them to feel safe.
It's just not fair. Simple as that. But most people can't look at it from any viewpoint other than there own.
Nope...
I have a law qualification and trained in understanding fairness as a concept.
That's the problem with the concept of fairness. Most people onlynly ever view "fairness" from the individuals perspective.
Most find it impossible to view a problem inpartially without the input of their own bias and viewpoint.
Now imagine your 24...
You couldn't go anywhere last year because the whole country was in lockdown, mainly to protect the vulnerable from a virus, which to you wasn't likely to cause you (as a 24 year old) much harm. So that wasn't reallfair on you the 24 year old.
Now the vulnerable have all been vaccinated and they want to go down the pub and on holiday to Spain, but in order to allow them to feel safe everyone else on the plane or in the pub needs to be vaccinated. So on order for those people to feel safe, because you (as a 24 year old) haven't been vaccinated you still can't go to the pub or to Spain.
So in summary you couldn't go last year when it was safe for you but wasn't for others and you can't go this year, because the others want to feel safe, why they do the things you can't do to allow them to feel safe.
It's just not fair. Simple as that. But most people can't look at it from any viewpoint other than there own.
In reply to Post #299
Deaths registered in 2018 2019 2220 have hardly deviated give or take 10k it usually hovers around 530-540k ish it's all to see if you know where to look and sky and bbc news at 10 is the worst place to see what's going on ,not just covid ....scamdemic was mentioned earlier ,I fully agree ,go look up the average age of a covid death in U.K. and also go look up the average U.K. life expectancy ....after you have done that pull the shutters down on your buisness and watch your house get repo'd ....was it /is it worth it ......this country of mine has gone soft as **** and most folk just lap it up ....world gone mad ,yes it has and my piss is at a constant boil with the weak and the woke ...did I mention I've lost 2 trips to France so far this year fpmsl
Deaths registered in 2018 2019 2220 have hardly deviated give or take 10k it usually hovers around 530-540k ish it's all to see if you know where to look and sky and bbc news at 10 is the worst place to see what's going on ,not just covid ....scamdemic was mentioned earlier ,I fully agree ,go look up the average age of a covid death in U.K. and also go look up the average U.K. life expectancy ....after you have done that pull the shutters down on your buisness and watch your house get repo'd ....was it /is it worth it ......this country of mine has gone soft as **** and most folk just lap it up ....world gone mad ,yes it has and my piss is at a constant boil with the weak and the woke ...did I mention I've lost 2 trips to France so far this year fpmsl
In reply to Post #301
Correct. Less than 400 people below the age of 60 with no pre existing medical conditions have died of covid since last march in the UK.
Correct. Less than 400 people below the age of 60 with no pre existing medical conditions have died of covid since last march in the UK.