In reply to Post #15
That's a nice bit of kit
That's a nice bit of kit
In reply to Post #15
bit expensive for a 50/50 mix
bit expensive for a 50/50 mix
In reply to Post #14
The OP was not on about doing big batches.
You don't need big guns for lots of bait. I used to make (and sell) 45-50kg batches in half a day with ease using a the 1kg pneumatic gun. You get in a rhythm (mix, load, roll, boil, mix, load, roll, boil...) quite quickly.
I setup production lines at work and its all about balancing each process, if I had a 4kg gun I would mess up the rhythm and honestly would produce bait no quicker.
Having used, and still own, both pneumatic and battery guns I would recommend 100% the battery gun for the OP.
I honestly don't see how some of the rolling machines at such money are worth it even on a small business level. The outlay to return on investment is huge. However if you want a big gun and auto-rollers for fun then go for it, this is a hobby and supposed to be fun after all
The OP was not on about doing big batches.
You don't need big guns for lots of bait. I used to make (and sell) 45-50kg batches in half a day with ease using a the 1kg pneumatic gun. You get in a rhythm (mix, load, roll, boil, mix, load, roll, boil...) quite quickly.
I setup production lines at work and its all about balancing each process, if I had a 4kg gun I would mess up the rhythm and honestly would produce bait no quicker.
Having used, and still own, both pneumatic and battery guns I would recommend 100% the battery gun for the OP.
I honestly don't see how some of the rolling machines at such money are worth it even on a small business level. The outlay to return on investment is huge. However if you want a big gun and auto-rollers for fun then go for it, this is a hobby and supposed to be fun after all
In reply to Post #18
Knocking up 40 to 50kg with a 1kg baitgun, in half a day...? What is this half a day, 12 hours, 8 hours, 5 hours? Is everything pre prepared the night before, are you knocking up eggs whilst gunning, rolling and boiling all by yourself?
If you take a look at the OP, it wasn't specific about amount of bait, although there was a mention of "loads of bait". Seems to me you're spoiling for an argument? I'm offering advice from my own experience, take it or leave it.
If you've not used a large gun, how would you possibly know if it would knock you out of your rhythm? Surely a larger gun means less loading + time saved/ less agg = happy angler?
Knocking up 40 to 50kg with a 1kg baitgun, in half a day...? What is this half a day, 12 hours, 8 hours, 5 hours? Is everything pre prepared the night before, are you knocking up eggs whilst gunning, rolling and boiling all by yourself?
If you take a look at the OP, it wasn't specific about amount of bait, although there was a mention of "loads of bait". Seems to me you're spoiling for an argument? I'm offering advice from my own experience, take it or leave it.
If you've not used a large gun, how would you possibly know if it would knock you out of your rhythm? Surely a larger gun means less loading + time saved/ less agg = happy angler?
In reply to Post #19
Smurf did used to make bait commercially, so knows his stuff, time is money, I get that bait making rhythm is a very personal thing.
What suits one person, may not be ideal for another bait maker. Try all variables, and pick your best one.
Smurf did used to make bait commercially, so knows his stuff, time is money, I get that bait making rhythm is a very personal thing.
What suits one person, may not be ideal for another bait maker. Try all variables, and pick your best one.
In reply to Post #20
Fair play mate 👍
Fair play mate 👍
In reply to Post #21
Takes me 2hrs with a air comp and 2kg gun to do 5kg lol
In reply to Post #19
Half day is half a working day so 4-5hrs, simples
yes my eggs came in 1lt bags already broken (my only cheat) , everything is weighed as I go including liquids if you want to do it properly (100ml on a hot day is different on a cold day, 30grams is consistent)
You said 'offering advice from my own experience' which is fine but you also said not to bother with a battery gun based on what experience?
I'm not looking for an argument, I know what is possible when you run a line better and productively with balanced equipment. A bigger gun would be no quicker if it just creates a bottleneck at another stage i.e. boiling. Yes you can get bigger boilers but you are just moving the bottleneck around. Production lines are all about the 'tic' rate
Half day is half a working day so 4-5hrs, simples
yes my eggs came in 1lt bags already broken (my only cheat) , everything is weighed as I go including liquids if you want to do it properly (100ml on a hot day is different on a cold day, 30grams is consistent) You said 'offering advice from my own experience' which is fine but you also said not to bother with a battery gun based on what experience?
I'm not looking for an argument, I know what is possible when you run a line better and productively with balanced equipment. A bigger gun would be no quicker if it just creates a bottleneck at another stage i.e. boiling. Yes you can get bigger boilers but you are just moving the bottleneck around. Production lines are all about the 'tic' rate
In reply to Post #24
"You said 'offering advice from my own experience' which is fine but you also said not to bother with a battery gun based on what experience?"
Because I had one and binned it because it was annoying only to pump out a small amount of bait at a time and have to keep reloading gun/ changing batteries whereas you don't have to with a large tube attached to a compressor = more efficient.
"You said 'offering advice from my own experience' which is fine but you also said not to bother with a battery gun based on what experience?"
Because I had one and binned it because it was annoying only to pump out a small amount of bait at a time and have to keep reloading gun/ changing batteries whereas you don't have to with a large tube attached to a compressor = more efficient.
In reply to Post #25
Thank you for the clarification.
How much did you get out of one charge of the battery?
Thank you for the clarification.
How much did you get out of one charge of the battery?
In reply to Post #26
Thanks for all the feedback gents. For my requirements (at present) it looks like an electric gun will suffice. If and when needed I will look in to the Italian guns and compressors
Thanks for all the feedback gents. For my requirements (at present) it looks like an electric gun will suffice. If and when needed I will look in to the Italian guns and compressors
In reply to Post #27
I tend to lean towards the way smurf does his bait. When I was rolling a lot I used the cox air gun that I think was 1.5lt maybe? Anyway I always got into a position where I had more baits rolled than I could boil. The bottleneck was always boiling for me. I bought a burco in the end but it took absolutely fecking ages to get to boiling point. In the end it was quicker to just use a big saucepan on a gas ring in the garage. The trouble I found was that in a burco although you had the ability to boil a lot in one go, it would then lose a load of heat and I'd be waiting in between batches. So in the end the faster way was to keep rolling in smaller batches, as the water would be ready by the time I'd gunned out and rolled a kilo. A smaller workflow actually created less waiting time.
After a few years away from it I'm going back to rolling this year and I've decided on the battery gun that turned up yesterday and a couple of cheap deep fat fryers. One can be coming back up to temperature whilst I'm using the other. I'm gonna build a frame so I can gun out the sausages at the top, have the rolling table at steep angle underneath with room to slide in a cat litter tray in underneath to catch them.
I tend to lean towards the way smurf does his bait. When I was rolling a lot I used the cox air gun that I think was 1.5lt maybe? Anyway I always got into a position where I had more baits rolled than I could boil. The bottleneck was always boiling for me. I bought a burco in the end but it took absolutely fecking ages to get to boiling point. In the end it was quicker to just use a big saucepan on a gas ring in the garage. The trouble I found was that in a burco although you had the ability to boil a lot in one go, it would then lose a load of heat and I'd be waiting in between batches. So in the end the faster way was to keep rolling in smaller batches, as the water would be ready by the time I'd gunned out and rolled a kilo. A smaller workflow actually created less waiting time.
After a few years away from it I'm going back to rolling this year and I've decided on the battery gun that turned up yesterday and a couple of cheap deep fat fryers. One can be coming back up to temperature whilst I'm using the other. I'm gonna build a frame so I can gun out the sausages at the top, have the rolling table at steep angle underneath with room to slide in a cat litter tray in underneath to catch them.
In reply to Post #28
My biggest batch in the last 2-3 years has been 3-4 kg I think so I don't need, or want. to rush anymore. Depending on how this year pans out I might do a few 5-10kg batches this spring.
I got one of the cheap deep fat fryers last year and retired my large stock pot and wok burner (well the wok burner is still attached to my kitchen hob but not used for bait anymore). The fryer is great, maintains a boil much better than the wok burner ever could. If I was really doing loads again I would get two of them I think to balance things out.
My biggest batch in the last 2-3 years has been 3-4 kg I think so I don't need, or want. to rush anymore. Depending on how this year pans out I might do a few 5-10kg batches this spring.
I got one of the cheap deep fat fryers last year and retired my large stock pot and wok burner (well the wok burner is still attached to my kitchen hob but not used for bait anymore). The fryer is great, maintains a boil much better than the wok burner ever could. If I was really doing loads again I would get two of them I think to balance things out.
In reply to Post #26
For the life of me I can't remember. Think it was some Ryobi number from memory.
For the life of me I can't remember. Think it was some Ryobi number from memory.