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Coronavirus and carping (292 posts / 26,228 views)
ocelot ocelot
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Post #16 8 Mar 2020 11:37
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Italy has announced a total travel ban in and out of the Lombardy/Northern Italy region. 16million people in lockdown.
AndyCarper82 AndyCarper82
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Post #17 8 Mar 2020 11:41
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In reply to Post #14
No mate, it's clear.

Customers losing their money

If you get insurance you might of might not be able to get a penny back but it's up to you to make the claim and pursue it.
Oldfellah Oldfellah
Posts: 1,120
Post #18 8 Mar 2020 12:19
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In reply to Post #17
What a load of tosh. If there is a ban on travel fisheries will lose all of their income. Also consider that deposits paid last year will have been put through accounts and cotisations of 23% already paid on them. And what about the cost of work carried out throughout the winter to ensure the lakes and facilities are as best of possible for clients. In the last week I have paid out 380 for tree surgeon, 760 of hardcore and 650 of gravel. And the over winter feeding program costs a notable amount to ensure the carp are at their best for the anglers. I am not commenting on the subject of refunds or no refunds but just posting regarding your stupid comment that fishery owners lose nothing !! Bills still need paying mate.
weaver83 weaver83
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Post #19 8 Mar 2020 13:18
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In reply to Post #17
Just my opinion, some may well offer customers money back but I wouldn't blame any that don't, as I imagine anglers are their only source of income, also I'm guessing lots of fisheries will have to feed the fish in their lakes to make up for no bait going in. Also rescheduling is obviously very difficult as most places will already have bookings for next year.
Oldfellah Oldfellah
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Post #20 8 Mar 2020 13:24
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In reply to Post #19
Quite right. If things really get bad then we are all likely to be losers.
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #21 8 Mar 2020 13:35
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In reply to Post #11
Me too, BYC. On tenterhooks whether to go or not, bearing in mind we are both well over 70, I am diabetic and the missus is still suffering the after effects of a serious illness she had in 2017.
darkoL darkoL
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Post #22 8 Mar 2020 14:34
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In reply to Post #21
This will be a good test for venues and will show how they manage things and how willing they are to help anglers... if booked anglers will be somewhere in quarantine and cant make it will be up to owners to offer (or not) those weeks to others and help booked anglers out etc etc....
AndyCarper82 AndyCarper82
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Post #23 8 Mar 2020 15:36
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In reply to Post #18
Its hardly like a business struggling with low profit margins now is it.....

The money raked in week after week is significant. You have to be really daft as an angler not to see this. Yep, some venues invest in their fisheries to a degree but this is a low cost business with high profit margins so no need to play the 'hard up' card....

As an angler visiting venues I accept this situation but for an owner to even suggest their not doing exceptionally well is quite simply shocking and a reflection of their attitude towards paying customers.


Yep, as others have said we'll quickly see who's willing to assist in these exceptional circumstances and who just want to see the pounds rolling in and have little regard for customers.
AndyCarper82 AndyCarper82
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Post #24 8 Mar 2020 15:52
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In reply to Post #22
I've had confirmation from that you need to look at your insurance if there are travel restrictions stopping you from attending.


WARNING

I have looked at a couple of insurers and you need to be very careful, some specifically exclude epidemic/ pandemic situations'. Axa insurance looked okay but I need to call them to check I'm covered.

If your going to France on a fishing holiday and either don't have insurance yet or have insufficient cover (check the small print for exceptions) then I suggest you spend the money on it now.
noj
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In reply to Post #23
You need to either take a risk and lease a lake for a given period or buy it.. the fish could all go belly up the next day, it's a high risk and labour intensive business.
Not that I'm in the habit of defending fisheries, animal cruelty (stocked purely for repeated captures with no safe place to hide) for profit isn't my cup of tea.
But if it was that easy and lucrative everybody would be doing it.
Oldfellah Oldfellah
Posts: 1,120
Post #26 8 Mar 2020 16:13
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In reply to Post #23
Your comments really illustrate your total lack of knowledge of the costs involved in running a legal fishery in France fellah.
AndyCarper82 AndyCarper82
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Post #27 8 Mar 2020 16:24
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In reply to Post #26
Ok. So you are saying that it's not a high profit margin business?

And don't even start on the 'legal' fishery conversion as you'll open up a can of worms.... legally registered is the easy conversion but the movement of fish.....
Oldfellah Oldfellah
Posts: 1,120
Post #28 8 Mar 2020 16:48
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In reply to Post #27
It seems you have a rather jaundiced view when it comes to French fisheries. I think you need to look at any business to appreciate that profit margins have nothing to do with the final operating profit of a business. Having said that I offer no apologies that, like many others, I invested everything into realizing my dream and actually make a profit from doing so. Great........You make an aside regarding legal fisheries and then a rather open ended referral to movement of fish....why ? If you actually knew anything about successful fisheries in France these days you will know that the illegal stocking of fish stolen from other waters is something the vast majority of venue's abhor and take pride in not doing. You really seem to have an axe to grind so best if we drop this swapping of posts and learn from the comments of others on the forum.
ocelot ocelot
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Post #29 8 Mar 2020 19:19
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In reply to Post #27
Jim is one of the decent guys mate. Wind your neck in.
Jamesvg Jamesvg
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Post #30 8 Mar 2020 19:25
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I see no reason why a fishery should refund anglers who do not attend. If they hadn't taken a booking for that week/for that peg from a British angler who couldn't attend then it could have potentially been filled by a local - it isn't their fault if you don't attend to fish your reserved swim.

You would lose out if you chose not to take out comprehensive travel insurance but that is your problem, not the fishery owners.
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