I just can't see any trips happening this year I'm afraid 😔
In reply to Post #243
"The questions of whether people will be able to travel abroad this summer are going to be addressed by the Global Travel Taskforce, which is reporting around 12 April," Mr Hancock told Sky News.
"The roadmap sets out the earliest date by which we will allow for international travel - without one of the clear reasons you need now - is 17 May.
"That has not changed. The way we're putting that into law is as part of these roadmap regulations that will be voted on on Thursday.
"They come to an end as a whole at the end of June. But that doesn't change the timings for these questions on international travel."
Not as bad as it's made to sound in the headlines
"The questions of whether people will be able to travel abroad this summer are going to be addressed by the Global Travel Taskforce, which is reporting around 12 April," Mr Hancock told Sky News.
"The roadmap sets out the earliest date by which we will allow for international travel - without one of the clear reasons you need now - is 17 May.
"That has not changed. The way we're putting that into law is as part of these roadmap regulations that will be voted on on Thursday.
"They come to an end as a whole at the end of June. But that doesn't change the timings for these questions on international travel."
Not as bad as it's made to sound in the headlines
In reply to Post #244
Granted it isn't as bad as the headlines make out, (now there's a shock....
) but there is no way they will open the floodgates on 17th May and let millions of Brits come and go as they please in less than 8 weeks time, (17th May) with how things are in Europe at the moment.
I would fully expect them to extend the travel ban until the 21st June date, when all restrictions are supposed to be lifted according to the "road map".....with the 17th May date set as a further review date......if it is still bad in the EU then, (which it will be) and the UK is experiencing any signs of a third spike, (which I can't see) then travel could well be banned until late August.
Just can't see any other outcome as things stand...
Granted it isn't as bad as the headlines make out, (now there's a shock....
) but there is no way they will open the floodgates on 17th May and let millions of Brits come and go as they please in less than 8 weeks time, (17th May) with how things are in Europe at the moment. I would fully expect them to extend the travel ban until the 21st June date, when all restrictions are supposed to be lifted according to the "road map".....with the 17th May date set as a further review date......if it is still bad in the EU then, (which it will be) and the UK is experiencing any signs of a third spike, (which I can't see) then travel could well be banned until late August.
Just can't see any other outcome as things stand...
In reply to Post #244
Despite what is being said by UK government , the harsh reality is that vaccination passports will become a reality worldwide to allow travel to open up.
The "problem" in the UK (unlike say the USA) is that you can not buy your Covid vaccine, unlike you can for say yellow fever. With the Covid you are just going to have to wait your turn in the queue.
Now that's where the political problems arise. I had my first does last week and my second is scheduled for early June. So by late June I will be fully vaccinated. I could in theory get my vaccine passport (if it were available) then and be good to go.
However that creates a 2 tier travel system that allows us oldies to travel and the younger ones not to. It's unfair, simple as that, and politically a non starter.
So I forecast travel restrictions will stay in place until every adult in UK has been offered both vaccination doses, plus 3 weeks, That's likely to be around the end of October at the earliest. Coincidence that the vote on extension to Covid restriction legislation this Thursday in Parliament seeks to extend the legislation until end of October? I doubt it.
I am hopeful that life in the UK will largely go back to "normal" in June. But foreign holiday restrictions will stay in place much longer (see above).
Holidays abroad are not happening this year at all in my view.
I feel for the likes of old fella, he's spent years creating a great business, that's customer focused, and has had 2 years of income almost wiped out. Add to that the cost of keeping his fish fed and other overheads, together with the prospect of 2022 being largely occupied with rolled forward bookings it's not a great situation.
All we (carp anglers) have lost is our couple of weeks away fishing.
Despite what is being said by UK government , the harsh reality is that vaccination passports will become a reality worldwide to allow travel to open up.
The "problem" in the UK (unlike say the USA) is that you can not buy your Covid vaccine, unlike you can for say yellow fever. With the Covid you are just going to have to wait your turn in the queue.
Now that's where the political problems arise. I had my first does last week and my second is scheduled for early June. So by late June I will be fully vaccinated. I could in theory get my vaccine passport (if it were available) then and be good to go.
However that creates a 2 tier travel system that allows us oldies to travel and the younger ones not to. It's unfair, simple as that, and politically a non starter.
So I forecast travel restrictions will stay in place until every adult in UK has been offered both vaccination doses, plus 3 weeks, That's likely to be around the end of October at the earliest. Coincidence that the vote on extension to Covid restriction legislation this Thursday in Parliament seeks to extend the legislation until end of October? I doubt it.
I am hopeful that life in the UK will largely go back to "normal" in June. But foreign holiday restrictions will stay in place much longer (see above).
Holidays abroad are not happening this year at all in my view.
I feel for the likes of old fella, he's spent years creating a great business, that's customer focused, and has had 2 years of income almost wiped out. Add to that the cost of keeping his fish fed and other overheads, together with the prospect of 2022 being largely occupied with rolled forward bookings it's not a great situation.
All we (carp anglers) have lost is our couple of weeks away fishing.
I'm working with a guy who's had Covid BUT he flatly refuses to have the jab,been listening to too much fake news about wharr ye s in it.
It's his right not to take it and I agree but does that mean we can't go on a foreign holiday due to a few minority who refuse the jab ???
It's not going to happen,but these people will I assume have one if the government bring in a vaccine passport.
I had my first jab yesterday and the second in June I'm due to go to a lake at the end of June ???? Possibly won't happen but if most lockdowns usually last 12 weeks so it seems then maybe just maybe France might open up 🤞🤞🤞
It's his right not to take it and I agree but does that mean we can't go on a foreign holiday due to a few minority who refuse the jab ???
It's not going to happen,but these people will I assume have one if the government bring in a vaccine passport.
I had my first jab yesterday and the second in June I'm due to go to a lake at the end of June ???? Possibly won't happen but if most lockdowns usually last 12 weeks so it seems then maybe just maybe France might open up 🤞🤞🤞
In reply to Post #247
Read what is said.
In my view travel restrictions will stay in place until every adult in the UK has been OFFERED the vaccination.
If an indi8chooses not to take that offer up that's their perogative. But they won't get a vaccination passport.
The minority that can not have the vaccine for medical reasons will be issued an exception certificate, which some countries will accept, others may not.
Your work colleague and people like him won't stop the restrictions being lifted, but until every adult has been offered both doses and hence the opportunity to obtain the vaccination passport foreign travelrestrictions will remain in my view. .
Read what is said.
In my view travel restrictions will stay in place until every adult in the UK has been OFFERED the vaccination.
If an indi8chooses not to take that offer up that's their perogative. But they won't get a vaccination passport.
The minority that can not have the vaccine for medical reasons will be issued an exception certificate, which some countries will accept, others may not.
Your work colleague and people like him won't stop the restrictions being lifted, but until every adult has been offered both doses and hence the opportunity to obtain the vaccination passport foreign travelrestrictions will remain in my view. .
In reply to Post #247
I seriously doubt that you will be going fishing in France in June, or indeed July, August or September!
Ihope I am wrong but a reoccurring feature of this "pandemic" has been over optimistic views and planning.
There is no way UK government is going to open our borders fully until the vaccination program has been fully rolled out.
At best that is October.
I seriously doubt that you will be going fishing in France in June, or indeed July, August or September!
Ihope I am wrong but a reoccurring feature of this "pandemic" has been over optimistic views and planning.
There is no way UK government is going to open our borders fully until the vaccination program has been fully rolled out.
At best that is October.
In reply to Post #246
While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, there is always going to be a 2 tier system as a lot of people will refuse to be vaccinated. Hence vaccination passports.
Seems a bit selfish, but if you can provide proof you are fully vaccinated, I don't agree people shouldn't be allowed to travel if you have a vaccination passport. Life sometimes isn't fair- gotta be some benefits of being older!
My suspicion is the government want us to spend our money at home on account of the economy being ****ed and will move the goalposts to suit.....
While I agree with a lot of what you're saying, there is always going to be a 2 tier system as a lot of people will refuse to be vaccinated. Hence vaccination passports.
Seems a bit selfish, but if you can provide proof you are fully vaccinated, I don't agree people shouldn't be allowed to travel if you have a vaccination passport. Life sometimes isn't fair- gotta be some benefits of being older!
My suspicion is the government want us to spend our money at home on account of the economy being ****ed and will move the goalposts to suit.....
In reply to Post #250
You have to remember it's political.
If something is clearly unfair and potentially politically damaging then it won't be introduced until any potential unfairness is removed.
So if older people could in theory get a vaccination passport, when younger people haven't been offered the vaccination, then it wont happen. Too potentially politically damaging. Remember politics is a popularity contest.
The refusenicks are on their own. They won't stop us all travelling if they have chosen not to get vaccination and therfore deny themselves the ability of obtaining a vaccine passport, so they can be ignored in any factoring in of perceived fairness, but until younger people have been given the opportunity to be vaccinated vaccine passports won't be available and none of us are going anywhere! Unless the vaccination is made available on a pay basis (thus allowing an individual to effectively jump the queue and buy their way into a vaccination passport) which the UK government have said will not happen Mark my words.
You have to remember it's political.
If something is clearly unfair and potentially politically damaging then it won't be introduced until any potential unfairness is removed.
So if older people could in theory get a vaccination passport, when younger people haven't been offered the vaccination, then it wont happen. Too potentially politically damaging. Remember politics is a popularity contest.
The refusenicks are on their own. They won't stop us all travelling if they have chosen not to get vaccination and therfore deny themselves the ability of obtaining a vaccine passport, so they can be ignored in any factoring in of perceived fairness, but until younger people have been given the opportunity to be vaccinated vaccine passports won't be available and none of us are going anywhere! Unless the vaccination is made available on a pay basis (thus allowing an individual to effectively jump the queue and buy their way into a vaccination passport) which the UK government have said will not happen Mark my words.
These vaccine passports if they happen how are they going to be implemented ?
I had my jab yesterday and they gave me a card to take back when I get my second jab well these cards can very easily be copied/faked and I'm sure there are some out there now.
So if it's based on showing a card then it's flawed it needs to be digital so when we gave our details before the jab let's hope they use this data instead,not 100% but better
I had my jab yesterday and they gave me a card to take back when I get my second jab well these cards can very easily be copied/faked and I'm sure there are some out there now.
So if it's based on showing a card then it's flawed it needs to be digital so when we gave our details before the jab let's hope they use this data instead,not 100% but better
In reply to Post #251
Again, agree with most of what you say. I still think it would be more unpopular to stop everyone travelling than some travelling.
Guess bawjaws will be umming and aahing once more.
Again, agree with most of what you say. I still think it would be more unpopular to stop everyone travelling than some travelling.
Guess bawjaws will be umming and aahing once more.
In reply to Post #251
If something is clearly unfair and potentially politically damaging then it won't be introduced until any potential unfairness is removed.
Remember politics is a popularity contest
Very true, you miss out the multiplier though x £ x $ x €
If something is clearly unfair and potentially politically damaging then it won't be introduced until any potential unfairness is removed.
Remember politics is a popularity contest
Very true, you miss out the multiplier though x £ x $ x €
In reply to Post #252
NHS records.
Don't you remember giving your NHS number?
NHS records.
Don't you remember giving your NHS number?
In reply to Post #253
You think that because you are in the cohort that could travel.
If you were in the other half your view would be different.
You think that because you are in the cohort that could travel.
If you were in the other half your view would be different.
In reply to Post #256
aside whether we are able to actually go to France this summer, who will actually be willing to do the 124 day isolation in a hotel at your own cost on return?
I believe, but not sure thats the rule in place?
aside whether we are able to actually go to France this summer, who will actually be willing to do the 124 day isolation in a hotel at your own cost on return?
I believe, but not sure thats the rule in place?