In reply to Post #249
You can't take away the history surrounding Redmire Steve but it's such a shame the water is a pale shadow of what it once was, I fish with someone who has known Les Bamford since the 80's also another friend of mine knows him well and helped out with a few carp stockings so over the years I have been told a few bits and pieces and have an understanding of things that have gone on at the lake.
A few of the remains of what was found of the fish at the day ticket lake that holds carp to 36lb (not Redmire).
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You can't take away the history surrounding Redmire Steve but it's such a shame the water is a pale shadow of what it once was, I fish with someone who has known Les Bamford since the 80's also another friend of mine knows him well and helped out with a few carp stockings so over the years I have been told a few bits and pieces and have an understanding of things that have gone on at the lake.
A few of the remains of what was found of the fish at the day ticket lake that holds carp to 36lb (not Redmire).
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In reply to Post #250
Yeah, i know Les from way back mate, the Carp Cellar etc, although haven't spoken to him in a long time.
That's very sad about the fish mate, and these findings are a stark grissly wake up call, and a reminder, that the otter problem is very real. Yet still very little being done about it.
I'm wracking my brains trying to think of something, that would gather ground quickly in this nightmare. I'm constantly being told, i'd be wasting my time though?
Yeah, i know Les from way back mate, the Carp Cellar etc, although haven't spoken to him in a long time.
That's very sad about the fish mate, and these findings are a stark grissly wake up call, and a reminder, that the otter problem is very real. Yet still very little being done about it.
I'm wracking my brains trying to think of something, that would gather ground quickly in this nightmare. I'm constantly being told, i'd be wasting my time though?
In reply to Post #251
mate, its the most frustrating topic I have ever got involved with..it drives me insane, especially of late!!
I get that many phonecalls, txt, e-mails, pms etc regarding this and I so wish I could offer a more concrete solution.
There isn't one....
fence, or loose your stock at some point!
if you cant fence, there is currently no means of legal protection.
do I think there should be more help...YES of course I do...what help?
less restrictions on fencing waters, less red tape
more education surrounding otters is needed, for anglers and non anglers
are otters over protected...definitely!
should we drop the protection and what will that achieve?
well...my take on it..
drop protection of otters....what will it achieve...not a lot I suspect apart from every fishery owner applying for a shotgun licence and loads of dead otters with a massive backlash towards angling from non anglers, then the otter will be straight back on the protected species list...and we start again
mate, its the most frustrating topic I have ever got involved with..it drives me insane, especially of late!!
I get that many phonecalls, txt, e-mails, pms etc regarding this and I so wish I could offer a more concrete solution.
There isn't one....
fence, or loose your stock at some point!
if you cant fence, there is currently no means of legal protection.
do I think there should be more help...YES of course I do...what help?
less restrictions on fencing waters, less red tape
more education surrounding otters is needed, for anglers and non anglers
are otters over protected...definitely!
should we drop the protection and what will that achieve?
well...my take on it..
drop protection of otters....what will it achieve...not a lot I suspect apart from every fishery owner applying for a shotgun licence and loads of dead otters with a massive backlash towards angling from non anglers, then the otter will be straight back on the protected species list...and we start again
In reply to Post #252
Joss, i fully understand, and sympathise mate, and as i've said many times before, you are all doing good things, and a sight more than anybody else on the matter.
I think i am just going to do all i can do, which involves, a few prayers, fingers crossed, and the occasional burying my head in the sand, hoping it will never happen to me.
Joss, i fully understand, and sympathise mate, and as i've said many times before, you are all doing good things, and a sight more than anybody else on the matter.
I think i am just going to do all i can do, which involves, a few prayers, fingers crossed, and the occasional burying my head in the sand, hoping it will never happen to me.
In reply to Post #253
Thanks mate..
I also walk my lake daily, dreading what I might find, even with it being fenced...
Thanks mate..
I also walk my lake daily, dreading what I might find, even with it being fenced...
In reply to Post #254
I know that feeling Joss. I've got one of the PAG cameras on loan, I've been checking it each morning & they're regular as clockwork. Out of the river at 2am then off around site looking for a route in. Back in the river at 2:30. Got Monday off work to get some fortifications done as I've found a few weaknesses.
I know that feeling Joss. I've got one of the PAG cameras on loan, I've been checking it each morning & they're regular as clockwork. Out of the river at 2am then off around site looking for a route in. Back in the river at 2:30. Got Monday off work to get some fortifications done as I've found a few weaknesses.
In reply to Post #255
It's such a worry mate...I found a small jack pike today...very fresh, well chewed...couldn't say by what as it had been chewed right to the back bone, which isn't classic otter marks...may be a cormorant had it, spat it out during flight and the rats etc had a chew...I'll never know I guess...just makes your stomach churn...
It's such a worry mate...I found a small jack pike today...very fresh, well chewed...couldn't say by what as it had been chewed right to the back bone, which isn't classic otter marks...may be a cormorant had it, spat it out during flight and the rats etc had a chew...I'll never know I guess...just makes your stomach churn...
Signed 
In reply to Post #257
Petition rejected
Hate to say.....
Told you so
Petition rejected
Hate to say.....
Told you so
In reply to Post #259
Not posted before so hello & just like to say great forum
Given govt has rejected otter petition what should the members of this forum do?
Join the anglingtrust? Im not currently a member but may now join
their otter policy isn't in line with our thinking but the only way you change policy is to lobby and best way to do that maybe as a member
I support PAG not sure what if any other platform is out there
This is a complex issue which will take time but angling needs one voice if there is to be any change
Not posted before so hello & just like to say great forum
Given govt has rejected otter petition what should the members of this forum do?
Join the anglingtrust? Im not currently a member but may now join
their otter policy isn't in line with our thinking but the only way you change policy is to lobby and best way to do that maybe as a member
I support PAG not sure what if any other platform is out there
This is a complex issue which will take time but angling needs one voice if there is to be any change
In reply to Post #260
Hi mate,
The AT are shortly about to provide a response to the petition rejection as will the PAG at some point soon I guess.
In the meantime, hold fire
Hi mate,
The AT are shortly about to provide a response to the petition rejection as will the PAG at some point soon I guess.
In the meantime, hold fire
In reply to Post #258
I think a lot of the people knew what the response would be to be fair... Nice to see a response from government, the first of many steps
I think a lot of the people knew what the response would be to be fair... Nice to see a response from government, the first of many steps
Their government response and outlook, is still laughable though, and shows they have their heads up their arses!
You're receiving this email because you signed this petition: “For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)”.
The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)”.
Government responded:
While the Government understand concerns raised about the impact otters may have on fish populations, they are a protected species and there are no plans to introduce methods to control their numbers
The Government understands that there are concerns that otters may have adverse impacts on fish populations and wildlife more generally but we do not accept that the otter ‘has become a detriment to the river environment'.
Mainly as a result of the banning of certain pesticides, otters are now once more present in each county in England. They are an important indicator of the great strides we have made in improving our waterways, with more than 5,300 miles of rivers being improved since 2010. There have been no reintroductions of otters by conservation groups since the late 1990s and the bulk of the recovery of the otter has been through natural re-colonisation.
A healthy otter population results from favourable conditions in the natural environment, including water quality and the availability of prey (including fish), as well as availability of breeding sites. Otters are found at low density, and limit their own populations through territorial activity. Carrying capacity is determined by environmental conditions.
There is no evidence to suggest that otters have a major impact on wildlife as a whole, and although localised impacts could occur where otters have not been previously present for some time, they are a natural part of the freshwater ecosystem and we believe these systems will adapt to the return of the natural top predator.
We do recognise that otters can in some instances impact on still water fisheries, which is why there is provision through the Angling Improvement Fund (AIF), administered by the Angling Trust on the Environment Agency's behalf, to help deliver improvements including projects to protect fisheries from otter predation through the erection of otter-proof fencing. Further information can be found on the Angling Trust website at: www.anglingtrust.net.
Otters are a protected species and it is an offence to harm capture, kill, disturb or injure any animal and/or damage, destroy or obstruct their resting or sheltering places. Therefore any methods of control, including non-lethal methods, would constitute an offence. A licence may be granted by Natural England to catch and move an otter trapped inside a suitably otter-proof fenced fishery to prevent loss of fish stocks.
Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209735?reveal_response=yes
The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
Crazy but true
You're receiving this email because you signed this petition: “For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)”.
The Government has responded to the petition you signed – “For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter (Lutra- lutra)”.
Government responded:
While the Government understand concerns raised about the impact otters may have on fish populations, they are a protected species and there are no plans to introduce methods to control their numbers
The Government understands that there are concerns that otters may have adverse impacts on fish populations and wildlife more generally but we do not accept that the otter ‘has become a detriment to the river environment'.
Mainly as a result of the banning of certain pesticides, otters are now once more present in each county in England. They are an important indicator of the great strides we have made in improving our waterways, with more than 5,300 miles of rivers being improved since 2010. There have been no reintroductions of otters by conservation groups since the late 1990s and the bulk of the recovery of the otter has been through natural re-colonisation.
A healthy otter population results from favourable conditions in the natural environment, including water quality and the availability of prey (including fish), as well as availability of breeding sites. Otters are found at low density, and limit their own populations through territorial activity. Carrying capacity is determined by environmental conditions.
There is no evidence to suggest that otters have a major impact on wildlife as a whole, and although localised impacts could occur where otters have not been previously present for some time, they are a natural part of the freshwater ecosystem and we believe these systems will adapt to the return of the natural top predator.
We do recognise that otters can in some instances impact on still water fisheries, which is why there is provision through the Angling Improvement Fund (AIF), administered by the Angling Trust on the Environment Agency's behalf, to help deliver improvements including projects to protect fisheries from otter predation through the erection of otter-proof fencing. Further information can be found on the Angling Trust website at: www.anglingtrust.net.
Otters are a protected species and it is an offence to harm capture, kill, disturb or injure any animal and/or damage, destroy or obstruct their resting or sheltering places. Therefore any methods of control, including non-lethal methods, would constitute an offence. A licence may be granted by Natural England to catch and move an otter trapped inside a suitably otter-proof fenced fishery to prevent loss of fish stocks.
Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
Click this link to view the response online:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/209735?reveal_response=yes
The Petitions Committee will take a look at this petition and its response. They can press the government for action and gather evidence. If this petition reaches 100,000 signatures, the Committee will consider it for a debate.
The Committee is made up of 11 MPs, from political parties in government and in opposition. It is entirely independent of the Government. Find out more about the Committee: https://petition.parliament.uk/help#petitions-committee
Thanks,
The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament
Crazy but true
In reply to Post #263
What specifically is laughable about it?
What specifically is laughable about it?