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Coronavirus and carping (292 posts / 26,237 views)
ip100 ip100
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Post #226 25 Mar 2020 12:49
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Agree 100%
Spod Spod
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Post #227 25 Mar 2020 13:17
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Yes a decent Holiday company, (fishing or otherwise) should have their own policy covering cancellations, not necessarily ad-hoc cancellations, (which is why they take a deposit) but for disaster situations, (fire, flood etc). I will wager however that most of them don't.

having said that, you can bet cover for infectious diseases would be excluded...!
Paulr
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Post #228 25 Mar 2020 13:34
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Nope wouldn't expect a refund if I didn't turn up, but in this scenario,

If there is no travel between UK/France, that is the operators issue and they need to refund and then claim.

If the Lake is shut, that is the owners issue so they need to refund and then claim.

If the lake is open and I can travel but decide not to travel then that is 100% my problem.

If the lake is open but cant travel because of restrictions then I would fully expect to get my travel refunded but the lake booking I would have t take on the chin as it isnt the owners fault I cant make it to the lake.
BRB BRB
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Post #229 25 Mar 2020 13:44
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That's a fair summary
carpe_diem carpe_diem
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Post #230 25 Mar 2020 16:51
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I agree with everything you've said mate , luckily I do my own thing usually in France so won't be losing out , I'd be very pissed off if I'd paid half towards a booking and received nothing back , can the French fishery owners claim loss of earnings like we are doing over here ? Seems a more sensible idea
brugge brugge
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Post #231 25 Mar 2020 17:06
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Yes they can claim loss of earnings as the government has stopped all unnecessary travel . They can also claim 80% of anybody's wages that they are employing. Only thing is they have to be fully registered and filling in a French tax return to claim anything.
carpe_diem carpe_diem
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Post #232 25 Mar 2020 17:49
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Wow , that could open up a can of worms
Oldfellah Oldfellah
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Post #233 25 Mar 2020 18:25
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That is not exactly true. At the moment there is nothing in place for either a micro-bic or an entrepreneur although there could be an announcement tonight. There could be 1500 euro's available next month however the exact requirements to be met have yet to be announced. Loss of earnings is not covered.
DavidGW
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Post #234 25 Mar 2020 18:28
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It will open a hornets nest as I am fairly certain that a lot of fisheries pay their bailiffs off the record. Also been too busy following what is happening here in regard to Government support, so the French Government have offered the same assistance as we have here in providing 80% of wages to employees?
DavidGW
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Post #235 25 Mar 2020 18:29
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That´s what I thought!
AndyCarper82 AndyCarper82
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Post #236 25 Mar 2020 23:16
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Similar thing .....My Campanile hotel booking has been refunded directly by them ....... because they were not allowed to fulfill my booking under French laws...... No insurance claim required.


So you agree that if French authorities are stopping travelling to a fishing destination that the fishery should refund, French law stopping the booking so its exactly the same scenario. No insurance claim required.

Thank you for clarifying that fisheries should refund bookings... well that's that cleared up.
Spod Spod
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Post #237 26 Mar 2020 09:29
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All well and good but a lot of French waters state in their t's and c's......

"This contract shall be governed by English law in every particular including formation and interpretation and shall be deemed to have been made in England."

Creedy
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Post #238 26 Mar 2020 12:00
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All French fisheries are required to be French registered and have Siret number. They are therefore required to abide by French Law not English Law. Anyone who has made a payment to a French venue regardless of making the payment to an English bank are entitled to a full refund.
brugge brugge
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Post #239 26 Mar 2020 12:38
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All business's in France have been given free business rates, free overdrafts, free loans ( no interest) and 1500€ for loss of earnings.
If a business is registered in France it will come under French law and would have to abide by the law of the country it is trading in.
Oldfellah Oldfellah
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Post #240 26 Mar 2020 13:15
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Just to clarify a couple of points from your post if I may. Utility bills and other costs that the French government has said they would help with, including the mentioned loans and overdrafts are just deferred debt and not in any way compensation for total loss of earnings. The 1500 euro's mentioned is something that clarification is due to be issued on on March 31st. It is a payment of UP TO 1500 euro's and the exact criteria of eligibility for that payment and how much is yet to be decided. To date their is no help, as far as I am aware of, for extended loss of income just schemes to defer debt to a later stage.
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