In reply to Post #212
No
Read the government website.
Travel to Green County is allowed for leisure purposes. Portugal is Green you can go for ANY reason.
My reading of the government website clearly says that you should not travel to red or amber countries for leisure purposes.
As i said BA has issued a note to all people booked on flights to red and Amber countries after 17rh May reminding them that leisure travel is not permitted..
No
Read the government website.
Travel to Green County is allowed for leisure purposes. Portugal is Green you can go for ANY reason.
My reading of the government website clearly says that you should not travel to red or amber countries for leisure purposes.
As i said BA has issued a note to all people booked on flights to red and Amber countries after 17rh May reminding them that leisure travel is not permitted..
In reply to Post #212
Ignore the info from silverslayer as it is wrong (except maybe the BA warning, as I believe they did send one out)
Taken from gov.uk
From 17 May:
You should continue to work from home if you can. When travelling within the UK, you should aim to do so safely and plan your journey in advance.
You should get a test and follow the stay at home guidance if you have COVID-19 symptoms.
Gathering limits will be eased. Outdoor gatherings will be limited to 30 people and indoor gatherings will be limited to 6 people or 2 households (each household can include a support bubble, if eligible).
New guidance on meeting friends and family will emphasise personal responsibility rather than government rules. Instead of instructing you to stay 2m apart from anyone you don't live with, you will be encouraged to exercise caution and consider the guidance on risks associated with COVID-19 and actions you can take to help keep you and your loved ones safe. Remember that the risks of close contact may be greater for some people than others and in some settings and circumstances, there will be specific guidance that you will need to follow even when you are with friends and family.
Indoor entertainment and attractions such as cinemas, theatres, concert halls, bowling alleys, casinos, amusement arcades, museums and children's indoor play areas will be permitted to open with COVID-secure measures in place.
People will be able to attend indoor and outdoor events, including live performances, sporting events and business events. Attendance at these events will be capped according to venue type, and attendees should follow the COVID-secure measures set out by those venues.
Indoor hospitality venues such as restaurants, pubs, bars and cafes can reopen.
Organised indoor sport will be able to take place for all (this includes gym classes). This must be organised by a business, charity or public body and the organiser must take reasonable measures to reduce the risk of transmission.
All holiday accommodation will be open (including hotels and B&Bs). This can be used by groups of up to 6 or 2 households (each household can include a support bubble, if eligible).
Funeral attendance will no longer be limited to 30 people, but will be determined by how many people the COVID-secure venue can safely accommodate with social distancing. Limits at weddings, wakes and other commemorative events will be increased to 30 people. Other significant life events, such as bar/bat mitzvahs and christenings, will also be able to take place with 30 people.
The rules for care home residents visiting out and receiving visitors will change, allowing up to five named visitors (two at any one time), provided visitors test negative for COVID-19.
All higher education students will be able to access in-person teaching.
Support groups and parent and child group gathering limits will increase to 30 people (not including under 5s)
There will no longer be a legal restriction or permitted reason required to travel internationally. There will be a traffic light system for international travel, and you must follow the rules when returning to England depending on whether you return from a red, amber or green list country.
Ignore the info from silverslayer as it is wrong (except maybe the BA warning, as I believe they did send one out)
Taken from gov.uk
From 17 May:
You should continue to work from home if you can. When travelling within the UK, you should aim to do so safely and plan your journey in advance.
You should get a test and follow the stay at home guidance if you have COVID-19 symptoms.
Gathering limits will be eased. Outdoor gatherings will be limited to 30 people and indoor gatherings will be limited to 6 people or 2 households (each household can include a support bubble, if eligible).
New guidance on meeting friends and family will emphasise personal responsibility rather than government rules. Instead of instructing you to stay 2m apart from anyone you don't live with, you will be encouraged to exercise caution and consider the guidance on risks associated with COVID-19 and actions you can take to help keep you and your loved ones safe. Remember that the risks of close contact may be greater for some people than others and in some settings and circumstances, there will be specific guidance that you will need to follow even when you are with friends and family.
Indoor entertainment and attractions such as cinemas, theatres, concert halls, bowling alleys, casinos, amusement arcades, museums and children's indoor play areas will be permitted to open with COVID-secure measures in place.
People will be able to attend indoor and outdoor events, including live performances, sporting events and business events. Attendance at these events will be capped according to venue type, and attendees should follow the COVID-secure measures set out by those venues.
Indoor hospitality venues such as restaurants, pubs, bars and cafes can reopen.
Organised indoor sport will be able to take place for all (this includes gym classes). This must be organised by a business, charity or public body and the organiser must take reasonable measures to reduce the risk of transmission.
All holiday accommodation will be open (including hotels and B&Bs). This can be used by groups of up to 6 or 2 households (each household can include a support bubble, if eligible).
Funeral attendance will no longer be limited to 30 people, but will be determined by how many people the COVID-secure venue can safely accommodate with social distancing. Limits at weddings, wakes and other commemorative events will be increased to 30 people. Other significant life events, such as bar/bat mitzvahs and christenings, will also be able to take place with 30 people.
The rules for care home residents visiting out and receiving visitors will change, allowing up to five named visitors (two at any one time), provided visitors test negative for COVID-19.
All higher education students will be able to access in-person teaching.
Support groups and parent and child group gathering limits will increase to 30 people (not including under 5s)
There will no longer be a legal restriction or permitted reason required to travel internationally. There will be a traffic light system for international travel, and you must follow the rules when returning to England depending on whether you return from a red, amber or green list country.
In reply to Post #214
BA's warning email re no leisure travel was sent to all passengers booked including those booked on flights to Faro. It is clearly based upon current guidance not post 17 May.
BA's warning email re no leisure travel was sent to all passengers booked including those booked on flights to Faro. It is clearly based upon current guidance not post 17 May.
In reply to Post #210
I have!
From the 17th May you no longer have to fill in a travel declaration form.
However further down on the page it clearly says that you should not travel to red and amber countries for leisure puposes.
You have incorrectly assumed that the withdrawal of the declaration form allows you to travel to any country for any reason. It does not.
Border control remain empowered to ask your reason for travel to red and Amber countries and if its leisure purposes not allow you to travel. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.
At an airport thats not going to be an issue because all passengers wherever they are travelling to (ie red, amber or green) go through the same exit gates. So its unlikely (albeit still possible) that you will l be challenged.
However travelling to France (amber) with a van load of carp tackle through folkestone or dover makes your intended reason for travel obvious, and all passengers going through that border are all going to an amber country where leisure travel is not permitted.
The Government website says in clear terms unde the amber and red countries subsection that you should not be travelling to such countries for leisure purposes. Read the whole page(s).
I have!
From the 17th May you no longer have to fill in a travel declaration form.
However further down on the page it clearly says that you should not travel to red and amber countries for leisure puposes.
You have incorrectly assumed that the withdrawal of the declaration form allows you to travel to any country for any reason. It does not.
Border control remain empowered to ask your reason for travel to red and Amber countries and if its leisure purposes not allow you to travel. Whether they will or not remains to be seen.
At an airport thats not going to be an issue because all passengers wherever they are travelling to (ie red, amber or green) go through the same exit gates. So its unlikely (albeit still possible) that you will l be challenged.
However travelling to France (amber) with a van load of carp tackle through folkestone or dover makes your intended reason for travel obvious, and all passengers going through that border are all going to an amber country where leisure travel is not permitted.
The Government website says in clear terms unde the amber and red countries subsection that you should not be travelling to such countries for leisure purposes. Read the whole page(s).
In reply to Post #214
And read the rukes under tbe traffic light system you refer to in bold. Ie that subsection
That is where it sayd they you can not travel to amber or red country for leisure purposes.
You are only reading the main page not the specific rules for amber and red countries under the traffic light system to which you refer.
And read the rukes under tbe traffic light system you refer to in bold. Ie that subsection
That is where it sayd they you can not travel to amber or red country for leisure purposes.
You are only reading the main page not the specific rules for amber and red countries under the traffic light system to which you refer.
In reply to Post #215
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/british-airways-ba-travel-ban-b1845376.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/british-airways-ba-travel-ban-b1845376.html
In reply to Post #217
I haven't assumed anything, I've taken facts from the government website
I think you're just not picking up on the fact you're reading the rules as of "now" and that leisure travel is not allowed.
The rules I posted below in bold is from the same website under the same covid section but under "what will change on 17 may"
Anyway, I'll let other make their own mind up and will gladly wait until Monday for any such announcement.
I haven't assumed anything, I've taken facts from the government website
I think you're just not picking up on the fact you're reading the rules as of "now" and that leisure travel is not allowed.
The rules I posted below in bold is from the same website under the same covid section but under "what will change on 17 may"
Anyway, I'll let other make their own mind up and will gladly wait until Monday for any such announcement.
In reply to Post #217
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england
"You should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes"
Says it in clear black and white.
As i said you need to read the whole thing.
I am not wrong!
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england
"You should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes"
Says it in clear black and white.
As i said you need to read the whole thing.
I am not wrong!
In reply to Post #220
Lol repeating yourself doesn't make you right, read the same website and find the section about what is changing on 17 may
Lol repeating yourself doesn't make you right, read the same website and find the section about what is changing on 17 may
In reply to Post #221
I have read the whole thing. (ie the specific pages applying to rwd, amber and green countries that vome into force aftwr 17th May) I respectfully suggest you haven't!
Lets agree to disagree and see what happens.
I dont like these f**king rules at all!
I have a property in SA i want to go to, which is why i am studying them so specificly!
If i could find a way round not having to spend 11 days in a prison at Heathrow and 1750 of my hard earned for the pleasure upon return. Trust me i would!
I have read the whole thing. (ie the specific pages applying to rwd, amber and green countries that vome into force aftwr 17th May) I respectfully suggest you haven't!
Lets agree to disagree and see what happens.
I dont like these f**king rules at all!
I have a property in SA i want to go to, which is why i am studying them so specificly!
If i could find a way round not having to spend 11 days in a prison at Heathrow and 1750 of my hard earned for the pleasure upon return. Trust me i would!
In reply to Post #222
From your independent BA story
The UK government has confirmed it will lift the prohibition on international leisure travel in time for the resumption of holidays abroad on 17 May.
We can disagree it doesn't bother me as I'm not in a rush to go anywhere, just posting info from the government as they have advised.
Not that I want to encourage travel, it sounds like you could easily legally travel to your property but that doesn't avoid the quarantine requirements of a red country. Unless you come home via another country on the amber list and have a little holiday there first.
From your independent BA story
The UK government has confirmed it will lift the prohibition on international leisure travel in time for the resumption of holidays abroad on 17 May.
We can disagree it doesn't bother me as I'm not in a rush to go anywhere, just posting info from the government as they have advised.
Not that I want to encourage travel, it sounds like you could easily legally travel to your property but that doesn't avoid the quarantine requirements of a red country. Unless you come home via another country on the amber list and have a little holiday there first.
In reply to Post #223
From 17th May 2021 travel to France IS allowed.
There seems to be quite a lot of confusion and uncertainty regarding travelling to France so this is how things stand...
Entering France from UK
The UK is one of seven non EU countries that France have classed as safe and if you are arriving from one of those seven countries, you can enter France. You must comply with health regulations to enter France (PCR test and sworn declaration). You must self-isolate for seven days after your arrival. However, reports say this is only voluntary. Even it if wasn't, you will be self-isolate at a lake. From the 9th June 2021, France are looking to lift restrictions so maybe the PCR test and self-isolation will be lifted but this will be detailed nearer the time from the French. Full details of this can be found on the French Diplomacy Government website https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/
Entering the UK from France
The UK government from the 17th May 2021 will lift the legal restrictions to travel abroad but have placed France in the amber list of countries that means you should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes. However, this is guidance from the government and not classed as an illegal trip so you can travel if you wish (i.e. the same as it was last year). You must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 3 days of departure to the UK. You will then need to self-isolate for 10 days. Full travel guidance can be found at https://www.gov.uk/travel-abroad and https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#amber-list
Hope this helps.
From 17th May 2021 travel to France IS allowed.
There seems to be quite a lot of confusion and uncertainty regarding travelling to France so this is how things stand...
Entering France from UK
The UK is one of seven non EU countries that France have classed as safe and if you are arriving from one of those seven countries, you can enter France. You must comply with health regulations to enter France (PCR test and sworn declaration). You must self-isolate for seven days after your arrival. However, reports say this is only voluntary. Even it if wasn't, you will be self-isolate at a lake. From the 9th June 2021, France are looking to lift restrictions so maybe the PCR test and self-isolation will be lifted but this will be detailed nearer the time from the French. Full details of this can be found on the French Diplomacy Government website https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/coming-to-france/coronavirus-advice-for-foreign-nationals-in-france/
Entering the UK from France
The UK government from the 17th May 2021 will lift the legal restrictions to travel abroad but have placed France in the amber list of countries that means you should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes. However, this is guidance from the government and not classed as an illegal trip so you can travel if you wish (i.e. the same as it was last year). You must provide proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 3 days of departure to the UK. You will then need to self-isolate for 10 days. Full travel guidance can be found at https://www.gov.uk/travel-abroad and https://www.gov.uk/guidance/red-amber-and-green-list-rules-for-entering-england#amber-list
Hope this helps.
In reply to Post #222
You are quite correct that the Government advice is that you should not travel to an amber category country however the important thing is that is does not say you cannot. It is purely advisory as far as I can see.
You are quite correct that the Government advice is that you should not travel to an amber category country however the important thing is that is does not say you cannot. It is purely advisory as far as I can see.
Ok, I traveled over to France this week and this is how it went...
At UK passport control I was only asked for my passport and proof of my negative Covid test which I had a text and an email for. The lady at the desk noticed the fishing kit and purely commented “oh is it that time of year again already”. I had with me all the forms required including the insurance green card, declaration form etc but none of this was asked for.
At the French control as I stopped I went to show my passport but he didn't even look at it and waved me through. They then scanned the car like they do with their “wands” and the questions asked were whether I owned the car etc. Again, obvious that there's fishing gear in there but they did not bat en eye lid.
I did not take bait with me as I decided I would go to a tackle shop on the way.
On my 6 hour drive I was not stopped or asked for any documents at all. I am coming back on Friday and so I had my pcr test today which was a 20 minute drive and free of charge. I should get the results tomorrow.
All I have to do now is book my Covid tests for days 2 and 8 at home as from what I understand they ask for this reference number on the form you need to fill in 48 hours before you come back.
To be honest it was very straight forward and pretty much the same as it usually is. Obviously things could be randomly different for other people and I certainly wouldn't condone trying to smuggle bait through etc. It's simply just a bit more admin by printing insurance certificates, getting your green card, declaration forms and that's about it. The world hasn't suddenly changed and no-one was concerned with why I was travelling or indeed asked. I did have legitimate business reasons but they didn't ask.
So there's an account of what actually happens right now. Obviously the only downside is self isolation when home but that could only be for 5 days if you take a test on day 5 and are negative.
At UK passport control I was only asked for my passport and proof of my negative Covid test which I had a text and an email for. The lady at the desk noticed the fishing kit and purely commented “oh is it that time of year again already”. I had with me all the forms required including the insurance green card, declaration form etc but none of this was asked for.
At the French control as I stopped I went to show my passport but he didn't even look at it and waved me through. They then scanned the car like they do with their “wands” and the questions asked were whether I owned the car etc. Again, obvious that there's fishing gear in there but they did not bat en eye lid.
I did not take bait with me as I decided I would go to a tackle shop on the way.
On my 6 hour drive I was not stopped or asked for any documents at all. I am coming back on Friday and so I had my pcr test today which was a 20 minute drive and free of charge. I should get the results tomorrow.
All I have to do now is book my Covid tests for days 2 and 8 at home as from what I understand they ask for this reference number on the form you need to fill in 48 hours before you come back.
To be honest it was very straight forward and pretty much the same as it usually is. Obviously things could be randomly different for other people and I certainly wouldn't condone trying to smuggle bait through etc. It's simply just a bit more admin by printing insurance certificates, getting your green card, declaration forms and that's about it. The world hasn't suddenly changed and no-one was concerned with why I was travelling or indeed asked. I did have legitimate business reasons but they didn't ask.
So there's an account of what actually happens right now. Obviously the only downside is self isolation when home but that could only be for 5 days if you take a test on day 5 and are negative.
In reply to Post #226
Great report, thanks.
Great report, thanks.