In reply to Post #219
Bravo to all those who signed the petition to bring it over the 10k mark
Bravo to all those who signed the petition to bring it over the 10k mark
In reply to Post #220
It shows people have had enough, if nothing else
It shows people have had enough, if nothing else
In reply to Post #221
Exactly that mate
Exactly that mate
In reply to Post #221
It shows people have had enough, if nothing else
It shows anglers have had enough.
'People' don't give a toss about dead carp, barbel, chub, bream etc, not even about the odd bird or two. As far as the 'people' are concerned otters are lovely, cuddly, litte ottery-poos! How cute.
It shows people have had enough, if nothing else
It shows anglers have had enough.
'People' don't give a toss about dead carp, barbel, chub, bream etc, not even about the odd bird or two. As far as the 'people' are concerned otters are lovely, cuddly, litte ottery-poos! How cute.
In reply to Post #223
Agreed.
As said before anglers views on otters don't mean anything to non anglers sadly.
However, saw a bit of HFW Wild West program about Abbotsbury Swannery in Dorset, imagine what would / will happen when / if they get there?
That might stir a bit of public opinion but sadly I doubt it .
Agreed.
As said before anglers views on otters don't mean anything to non anglers sadly.
However, saw a bit of HFW Wild West program about Abbotsbury Swannery in Dorset, imagine what would / will happen when / if they get there?
That might stir a bit of public opinion but sadly I doubt it .
Anglers are people aren't they? Some are also nit pickers it seems?
Just for the record, non anglers, who are also people, also suffer because of the otter
Just for the record, non anglers, who are also people, also suffer because of the otter
In reply to Post #225
Surely your very post is nit picking, Steve...
Surely your very post is nit picking, Steve...
In reply to Post #217
How strange.,,,,the petition was condemned by certain members of both PAG and AT
How strange.,,,,the petition was condemned by certain members of both PAG and AT
In reply to Post #220
lets see what response it gets
lets see what response it gets
In reply to Post #228
I think we all know what response it will get.........
I think we all know what response it will get.........
The Barbel Society have released a statement to clarify what exactly the petition was asking for in terms of "non-lethal methods"... If anything it's just raising more questions. This extract, for example:
"we had to come with something that was all inclusive that would appeal to all people and to be honest we didn't want a cull or to suggest the eradication of the Otter, we wanted to create control and to reduce the Otters numbers in specific locations and maybe instigate new legislation.
Non-lethal is a scientific term used in the control of many predators by scientists and biologists across the world, from Russia, to Canada, to Australia via Africa, its methods are eclectic and considerable, and include everything other than killing, it was and is impossible to list all options either on the petition or here, we also did not want to detract from the main thrust of the petition of an awareness of an acute problem by creating argument and debate on particular suggestions of what we see as control, yes there are currently modest non lethal controls that cover stillwaters, but no solutions for rivers, we also saw the ambiguous and vague text of the petition to be its strength"
So they want to reduce numbers in certain areas but don't want a cull. All of a sudden that suggestion of castration perhaps makes sense! Either that or they're hoping to impose restraining orders on otters in certain parts of the country.
All joking aside, could someone 'in the know' please explain to me how you can reduce numbers of a species without culling them? The only ways that I can think of are to prevent them from breeding or to introduce a predator.
Anyone have a good design for a wolf & bear proof fence?
"we had to come with something that was all inclusive that would appeal to all people and to be honest we didn't want a cull or to suggest the eradication of the Otter, we wanted to create control and to reduce the Otters numbers in specific locations and maybe instigate new legislation.
Non-lethal is a scientific term used in the control of many predators by scientists and biologists across the world, from Russia, to Canada, to Australia via Africa, its methods are eclectic and considerable, and include everything other than killing, it was and is impossible to list all options either on the petition or here, we also did not want to detract from the main thrust of the petition of an awareness of an acute problem by creating argument and debate on particular suggestions of what we see as control, yes there are currently modest non lethal controls that cover stillwaters, but no solutions for rivers, we also saw the ambiguous and vague text of the petition to be its strength"
So they want to reduce numbers in certain areas but don't want a cull. All of a sudden that suggestion of castration perhaps makes sense! Either that or they're hoping to impose restraining orders on otters in certain parts of the country.
All joking aside, could someone 'in the know' please explain to me how you can reduce numbers of a species without culling them? The only ways that I can think of are to prevent them from breeding or to introduce a predator.
Anyone have a good design for a wolf & bear proof fence?
In reply to Post #230
Simply put...you can't,,,nor won't.
They knew full well that they want castration and moving otters 20 miles "up stream" when that petition was wrote...they also want a cull but daren't say that in the petition.
PAG told them NOT ton release the petition, Angling Trust wants no connection with it and the UWOT a has asked them to remove anything that may seem as a connection to the BS and the petition.
Without being overly blunt, they haven't got a clue, but I do understand ones frustration.
Simply put...you can't,,,nor won't.
They knew full well that they want castration and moving otters 20 miles "up stream" when that petition was wrote...they also want a cull but daren't say that in the petition.
PAG told them NOT ton release the petition, Angling Trust wants no connection with it and the UWOT a has asked them to remove anything that may seem as a connection to the BS and the petition.
Without being overly blunt, they haven't got a clue, but I do understand ones frustration.
In reply to Post #226
Yes, possibly Ken, might be because i'm and angler though?
Well at least i like to think i am.
We're all people though, eh?
Yes, possibly Ken, might be because i'm and angler though?
Well at least i like to think i am.We're all people though, eh?
Perhaps a petition that clearly states culling, (in a humane manor) would be more clear, and a better idea?
Even castrated otter can still wipe out lots of fish, birds and other animals.
Why aren't we all pushing for a controlled cull?
Even castrated otter can still wipe out lots of fish, birds and other animals.
Why aren't we all pushing for a controlled cull?
In reply to Post #233
Because a "controlled" cull would not be controlled and you have to prove that culling would show that it contributes to the solution of a problem. Given that it would have no effect by culling just some from one or two areas, then this will never be granted by law. How would you exercise the cull? How/which animals would you select for culling? How would you ensure that your not culling a female that's lactating cubs? How many would you cull? How would you know what the actual population was in the proposed cull area? What ratios (male/female) would you cull?
Because a "controlled" cull would not be controlled and you have to prove that culling would show that it contributes to the solution of a problem. Given that it would have no effect by culling just some from one or two areas, then this will never be granted by law. How would you exercise the cull? How/which animals would you select for culling? How would you ensure that your not culling a female that's lactating cubs? How many would you cull? How would you know what the actual population was in the proposed cull area? What ratios (male/female) would you cull?