In reply to Post #182
You state 16 or 17 Mill have had both doses in France, isn't that about the same as here?
You state 16 or 17 Mill have had both doses in France, isn't that about the same as here?
In reply to Post #183
Read again.
I said about 16or 17m have had both dosed here(uk)
Franve had only adminstered circa 17m single doses and onlt 7m both doses. Only about 23%of the population has had any vaccination in France.
Here circa 37m have had one dose and 16 or 17m both.
At france current rate it vaccinates about 10%of the population every 35 ish days. So to get to say 50% it will take another 2 +months. To get to 60% 3 and a half months.
They are doing about 350k a day. Half of our max figure.
Read again.
I said about 16or 17m have had both dosed here(uk)
Franve had only adminstered circa 17m single doses and onlt 7m both doses. Only about 23%of the population has had any vaccination in France.
Here circa 37m have had one dose and 16 or 17m both.
At france current rate it vaccinates about 10%of the population every 35 ish days. So to get to say 50% it will take another 2 +months. To get to 60% 3 and a half months.
They are doing about 350k a day. Half of our max figure.
In reply to Post #181
France vaccinated 617,000 people on May 7.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/2425456
France vaccinated 617,000 people on May 7.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.lepoint.fr/2425456
In reply to Post #173
Amber list countries and territories
What you must do if you have been in an amber country or territory in the 10 days before you arrive in England.
You should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes.
Government website.
Amber list countries and territories
What you must do if you have been in an amber country or territory in the 10 days before you arrive in England.
You should not travel to amber list countries or territories for leisure purposes.
Government website.
In reply to Post #186
I saw that , gov website states “ don't travel to amber countries for leisure purposes “
I saw that , gov website states “ don't travel to amber countries for leisure purposes “
In reply to Post #187
Precisely.
I wonder how or if that will be enforced?
If you pitch up in Dover with a van load of fishing tackle you are clearly travelling for leisure purposes.
Will border control turn you away?
Its interesting that there is a general misconception that you can go to Amber counties for any reason, as long as you self isolate and carry out the tests, which is not the case.
No doubt some will try.
Precisely.
I wonder how or if that will be enforced?
If you pitch up in Dover with a van load of fishing tackle you are clearly travelling for leisure purposes.
Will border control turn you away?
Its interesting that there is a general misconception that you can go to Amber counties for any reason, as long as you self isolate and carry out the tests, which is not the case.
No doubt some will try.
In reply to Post #188
If that's the case why have guidlines for a amber country just have green and red the gov web site states not to travel but if you ignore the guidance then you have to follow the amber process this is misleading people
The brief was on foreign travel and they set out guidlines if you do travel the goverment should say unless the country on green list then no travelmallowed and against the law
If that's the case why have guidlines for a amber country just have green and red the gov web site states not to travel but if you ignore the guidance then you have to follow the amber process this is misleading people
The brief was on foreign travel and they set out guidlines if you do travel the goverment should say unless the country on green list then no travelmallowed and against the law
In reply to Post #189
Sorry
I am not understanding your point?
Are you saying it is OK to travel to a Amber country? Or not?
Govt website clearly says that travel to amber countries for leisure purposes is not permitted.
Now my questions are.... .
Is that advisory or the law? Which law? If and how it will be enforced ? Whats the sanction if you attempt to travel for leisure purposes ? Will they let you travel? Turn you back at your point of attempted departure ? Impose a fine? If so what fine? And on what basis?
The directive is clear enough, but the force and authority behind it isn't.
Sorry
I am not understanding your point?
Are you saying it is OK to travel to a Amber country? Or not?
Govt website clearly says that travel to amber countries for leisure purposes is not permitted.
Now my questions are.... .
Is that advisory or the law? Which law? If and how it will be enforced ? Whats the sanction if you attempt to travel for leisure purposes ? Will they let you travel? Turn you back at your point of attempted departure ? Impose a fine? If so what fine? And on what basis?
The directive is clear enough, but the force and authority behind it isn't.
In reply to Post #189
The reasons for the guidelines if you do travel, is because there are other reasons for travel outside leisure.
For example you may own a property in an amber country and need to attend to it. Thats not leisure.
I actually own a property in a Red rated country and could in theory (based on my understanding) travel to that country on that basis (attending to property matters) but would then have to spend 11 days in a hotel room and pay £1750 for the pleasure upon my return.
The reasons for the guidelines if you do travel, is because there are other reasons for travel outside leisure.
For example you may own a property in an amber country and need to attend to it. Thats not leisure.
I actually own a property in a Red rated country and could in theory (based on my understanding) travel to that country on that basis (attending to property matters) but would then have to spend 11 days in a hotel room and pay £1750 for the pleasure upon my return.
In reply to Post #190
This is of the gov web site also my next post is off the directive from transport minister
Arrivals from the UK do not need to justify an essential reason to enter France. This applies to all air, car, ferry and train passengers. All other measures, detailed below, are in place for those travelling from the UK. The French government strongly advises limiting international travel to a minimum.
Arrivals from the UK will need to complete a ‘sworn statement' (déclaration sur l'honneur) form self-certifying they are not suffering from symptoms associated with coronavirus and have not been in contact with confirmed cases in the preceding fortnight. This can be found on the French government's website.
Testing requirements
All travellers from the UK, including children aged 11 and above, will need to present a negative PCR COVID-19 test result, carried out less than 72 hours before departure.
HGV or van drivers arriving in France from the UK are no longer required to provide a negative COVID-19 test to enter France. The latest information for HGV or van drivers is available here.
You should not use the NHS testing service to get a test in order to facilitate your travel to another country. You should arrange to take a private test from a private coronavirus testing provider.
Self-isolation
Passengers arriving in France from the UK will also be required to self-isolate for seven days on arrival, before taking another PCR test. Exit from this self-isolation period is subject to a negative test result. Find more information on how to get a PCR test in France.
This is of the gov web site also my next post is off the directive from transport minister
Arrivals from the UK do not need to justify an essential reason to enter France. This applies to all air, car, ferry and train passengers. All other measures, detailed below, are in place for those travelling from the UK. The French government strongly advises limiting international travel to a minimum.
Arrivals from the UK will need to complete a ‘sworn statement' (déclaration sur l'honneur) form self-certifying they are not suffering from symptoms associated with coronavirus and have not been in contact with confirmed cases in the preceding fortnight. This can be found on the French government's website.
Testing requirements
All travellers from the UK, including children aged 11 and above, will need to present a negative PCR COVID-19 test result, carried out less than 72 hours before departure.
HGV or van drivers arriving in France from the UK are no longer required to provide a negative COVID-19 test to enter France. The latest information for HGV or van drivers is available here.
You should not use the NHS testing service to get a test in order to facilitate your travel to another country. You should arrange to take a private test from a private coronavirus testing provider.
Self-isolation
Passengers arriving in France from the UK will also be required to self-isolate for seven days on arrival, before taking another PCR test. Exit from this self-isolation period is subject to a negative test result. Find more information on how to get a PCR test in France.
In reply to Post #192
Amber List:
That covers the most popular UK holiday destinations such as Spain, France, Italy and Greece.
Transport secretary Grant Shapps said "you should not be travelling to these places right now".
Those who go against that guidance must take two post-arrival tests.
They are also required to self-isolate at home for 10 days, although they can reduce that time if they take an additional negative test on day-five.
Strange how they saying should not travel.but if you do then you should follow guidlines
If you not allowed to travel why have guidlines if you do
Nothing saying it is illegal
Be interesting if they do turn people away at the ferry or the folkstone
Amber List:
That covers the most popular UK holiday destinations such as Spain, France, Italy and Greece.
Transport secretary Grant Shapps said "you should not be travelling to these places right now".
Those who go against that guidance must take two post-arrival tests.
They are also required to self-isolate at home for 10 days, although they can reduce that time if they take an additional negative test on day-five.
Strange how they saying should not travel.but if you do then you should follow guidlines
If you not allowed to travel why have guidlines if you do
Nothing saying it is illegal
Be interesting if they do turn people away at the ferry or the folkstone
In reply to Post #192
Thats arrivals TO the uk.
The Government website says that you should not LEAVE the uk for travel to an amber or red rated country for leisure purposes.
So France may well let you in, but that aint no good if UK border force at say Dover wont let you leave!
Its like sticking Australia and NZ on the green list, great in theory, except they wont ket you in. So its pointless.
There is no joined up thinking between nation states.
And just as a matter of interest, if you do travel to France for a weeks fishing in the near future, what you going to eat for that week? (unless the lake provides food- even thats an issue). Because :
1. Brexit means you can not take your own food.
2. Given the current need to self isolate at the lake you are not permitted to pop down to Super U and stock up?
Thats arrivals TO the uk.
The Government website says that you should not LEAVE the uk for travel to an amber or red rated country for leisure purposes.
So France may well let you in, but that aint no good if UK border force at say Dover wont let you leave!
Its like sticking Australia and NZ on the green list, great in theory, except they wont ket you in. So its pointless.
There is no joined up thinking between nation states.
And just as a matter of interest, if you do travel to France for a weeks fishing in the near future, what you going to eat for that week? (unless the lake provides food- even thats an issue). Because :
1. Brexit means you can not take your own food.
2. Given the current need to self isolate at the lake you are not permitted to pop down to Super U and stock up?
In reply to Post #193
As i said previously.
The self isolation rules are there for those people who are travelling for reasons OTHER than leisure purposes.
I have property in South Africa (bloody hell!) and have enquired with a lawyer if i could go. Answer Yes, provided its NOT for leisure purpose. I would have to demonstrate my reason for travel.
But upon return i would need to follow the rules for returning from a red list country.
So the rules are there for people who need to travel for valid reasons outside leisure purposes.
Turn up with a van load of carp fishing tackle at Dover or Folkestone and try convincing border control your trip isn't for leisure purposes if challanged. Best of luck!
As i said previously.
The self isolation rules are there for those people who are travelling for reasons OTHER than leisure purposes.
I have property in South Africa (bloody hell!) and have enquired with a lawyer if i could go. Answer Yes, provided its NOT for leisure purpose. I would have to demonstrate my reason for travel.
But upon return i would need to follow the rules for returning from a red list country.
So the rules are there for people who need to travel for valid reasons outside leisure purposes.
Turn up with a van load of carp fishing tackle at Dover or Folkestone and try convincing border control your trip isn't for leisure purposes if challanged. Best of luck!
In reply to Post #194
Lake run by a French bailiff who is willing to do the shopping I dare say girls a few beers lol
Lake run by a French bailiff who is willing to do the shopping I dare say girls a few beers lol
In reply to Post #196
I think anybody who attempted to travel to France for fishing ATM runs the real risk of being turned back ay their point /port of exit from the UK.
And IMO rightly so.
I think anybody who attempted to travel to France for fishing ATM runs the real risk of being turned back ay their point /port of exit from the UK.
And IMO rightly so.