so the vaccine available only gives partial protection?
seems to me then that prevention rather than cure is still the best option.
seems to me then that prevention rather than cure is still the best option.
In reply to Post #185
always!!
when i asked the pharmacist my wife works for, he said, apart from a sos bracelet, that confirms you may have been in contact with weil's, (given to some ground workers) the best advice he could give was "prevention is the best cure"!! what more can you say!!
ron..
always!!
when i asked the pharmacist my wife works for, he said, apart from a sos bracelet, that confirms you may have been in contact with weil's, (given to some ground workers) the best advice he could give was "prevention is the best cure"!! what more can you say!! ron..
glad your on the mend ken, how do they think you managed to catch it?
handy tip for all you folks out there using gels to clean hands, instead of rubbing your hands with flavour after washing just put a couple of drips of any concentrate flavours or essential oils into the gel, that way u wont smell like the NHS when you come to bait up!
handy tip for all you folks out there using gels to clean hands, instead of rubbing your hands with flavour after washing just put a couple of drips of any concentrate flavours or essential oils into the gel, that way u wont smell like the NHS when you come to bait up!
In reply to Post #187
how do you know if you got the disease. What symptoms should you look out for
Edit
Ive read back down the thread a bit more now so its flu like symptoms you have to look out for
how do you know if you got the disease. What symptoms should you look out for
Edit
Ive read back down the thread a bit more now so its flu like symptoms you have to look out for
In reply to Post #188
look at post 12
look at post 12
In reply to Post #189
ive read post 12 now sounds really nasty. Glad your ok now Ken mate
ive read post 12 now sounds really nasty. Glad your ok now Ken mate
In reply to Post #185
There is NO vaccine. None, nada, rien, zilch...
1) If there WAS a viable vaccine do you not think the world and its wife would be queuing up to get it?
2) If there WAS a viable vaccine do you not think the pharmaceutical license holder would not be pushing it like crazy so as to get its hand on the filthy lucre?
look here...again!
There is NO vaccine. None, nada, rien, zilch...
1) If there WAS a viable vaccine do you not think the world and its wife would be queuing up to get it?
2) If there WAS a viable vaccine do you not think the pharmaceutical license holder would not be pushing it like crazy so as to get its hand on the filthy lucre?
look here...again!
In reply to Post #172
there is not a jab available as far as my gp is concerned at this point in time ,,,,,i had a lenghty chat with him this morning so i must back Ken up on this point.
there is not a jab available as far as my gp is concerned at this point in time ,,,,,i had a lenghty chat with him this morning so i must back Ken up on this point.
In reply to Post #192
quite worrying when you look back at the great plague of london and to think we arent capable of finding a vaccine for this
quite worrying when you look back at the great plague of london and to think we arent capable of finding a vaccine for this
In reply to Post #193
good point that Anthony ,,rats have a lot to answer for when you think about it.
good point that Anthony ,,rats have a lot to answer for when you think about it.
In reply to Post #192
It seems that the real problem with an 'universal' vaccine is that their are so many strains of Lepto so rather like the flue jab any vaccination will only cover for 'regional' strains. Ken and I have chatted via pm on this and quite frankly the whole thing is rather confusing. In our case we have had innoculations and had the certificates that clearly state that it is for Lepto'. I presume that this is for the strains that are prevelant in our area of France (or possibly France as a whole) and may not give protection outside the area concerned. I have copied below an extract on a scientific paper on the subject that I pm'd to ken which possibly explains our situation but not the international one.
"Some people have more risk of catching the disease because of the nature of their job or their lifestyle. En ville, les catégories les plus exposées sont les égoutiers, les éboueurs et les employés des abattoirs. In town, the groups most at risk are sewer, waste handlers and employees of slaughterhouses. A la campagne, les fermiers et les personnes qui vivent à proximité des animaux ou n'ayant pas accès aux mesures de salubrité (absence de canalisation d'assainissement, d'eau potable ou traitée, non utilisation de bottes et gants dans leurs travaux quotidiens...). In the countryside, farmers and people living near the animals or not having access to the safety (lack of pipeline sanitation, drinking water or treated, non-use of boots and gloves in their daily work ...). Par ailleurs, les loisirs d'eau douce comme la pêche, le kayak et la baignade peuvent également comporter un risque. In addition, recreation freshwater fishing, kayaking and swimming may also involve risks. En principe, les catégories professionnelles exposées doivent bénéficier d'une vaccination comme c'est le cas en France par exemple où la leptospirose est considérée comme une maladie professionnelle. In principle, the occupational groups exposed should receive vaccination as is the case in France for example where leptospirosis is considered an occupational disease".
One further point is that as Lepto is a bacterial infection it is rather like Tetanus (bacterial) in as much vaccination is possible.
It seems that the real problem with an 'universal' vaccine is that their are so many strains of Lepto so rather like the flue jab any vaccination will only cover for 'regional' strains. Ken and I have chatted via pm on this and quite frankly the whole thing is rather confusing. In our case we have had innoculations and had the certificates that clearly state that it is for Lepto'. I presume that this is for the strains that are prevelant in our area of France (or possibly France as a whole) and may not give protection outside the area concerned. I have copied below an extract on a scientific paper on the subject that I pm'd to ken which possibly explains our situation but not the international one.
"Some people have more risk of catching the disease because of the nature of their job or their lifestyle. En ville, les catégories les plus exposées sont les égoutiers, les éboueurs et les employés des abattoirs. In town, the groups most at risk are sewer, waste handlers and employees of slaughterhouses. A la campagne, les fermiers et les personnes qui vivent à proximité des animaux ou n'ayant pas accès aux mesures de salubrité (absence de canalisation d'assainissement, d'eau potable ou traitée, non utilisation de bottes et gants dans leurs travaux quotidiens...). In the countryside, farmers and people living near the animals or not having access to the safety (lack of pipeline sanitation, drinking water or treated, non-use of boots and gloves in their daily work ...). Par ailleurs, les loisirs d'eau douce comme la pêche, le kayak et la baignade peuvent également comporter un risque. In addition, recreation freshwater fishing, kayaking and swimming may also involve risks. En principe, les catégories professionnelles exposées doivent bénéficier d'une vaccination comme c'est le cas en France par exemple où la leptospirose est considérée comme une maladie professionnelle. In principle, the occupational groups exposed should receive vaccination as is the case in France for example where leptospirosis is considered an occupational disease".
One further point is that as Lepto is a bacterial infection it is rather like Tetanus (bacterial) in as much vaccination is possible.
Right guys...I don't want to get into a row with anyone, so this will be my last word on the subject of a vaccine.
According to the World Health Organisation only ONE vaccine has been licensed in the wold, and that is the one Jim mentions, the Weils Disease and Akiyami Combined Vaccine, developed by Denka Seiken Co Ltd, Tokyo.
The company has NO exportation certificate and the drug is not available outside Japan. It is "possibly" (WHO's word) thought to offer limited protection against three specific LPT serovars out of a known 230. The WHO does not recognise this therapy as an effective vaccination against Weils Disease, though it does acknowledge its use against a tiny number of LPT infections. However, the WHO has not licensed this vaccine for export or for use outside Japan.
This is the ONLY vaccine currently in use in the world and it does not protect against 99% of known serovars and is ONLY available in Japan. China is working on an effective vaccine but admits it is nowhere near finding one as yet.
I am not scaremongering here. I for one would welcome a vaccine with open arms, as would the pharmaceutical industry that stands to make $billions in revenue from the sale of a successful fully licensed vaccine. All I am trying to point out to my French friends is that there is NO current vaccine available in France that is effective protection against Weils Disease.
The WHO states that outside the far east, France has the largest incidence of Weils disease in the western world. If they DID have a vaccine (which they don't) then it's not working.
JIM: this is for you...I am no doctor, but in this instance I think I can say with 100% certainty that the vaccination you have received is NOT going to protect you against Weils Disease. Please continue to take all the necessary precautions to prevent infection...and that goes for everyone both here and abroad.
(It should be noted that lepto infections occur frequently and are always treatable with antibiotics should the infection get so far as to require treatment. Quite often the infection clears up and goes away - often untreated - after causing the patient to suffer nothing more than what appears to be a bad cold. Leptospirosis infection in and of itself is unpleasant but not lethal, whereas Weils - the result of a deepening of the infection - can be lethal. This infection DOES NOT clear up: indeed it worsens and becomes Weils Disease)
Please, guys, do not be sidetracked by this discussion about the availabilty or otherwise of a vaccine. There is NO vaccine licensed for use in Europe. None whatsoever. Next time you see you doctor, ask him and he will tell you the same thing. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep safe out on the bank, or you may end up a dead man walking.
According to the World Health Organisation only ONE vaccine has been licensed in the wold, and that is the one Jim mentions, the Weils Disease and Akiyami Combined Vaccine, developed by Denka Seiken Co Ltd, Tokyo.
The company has NO exportation certificate and the drug is not available outside Japan. It is "possibly" (WHO's word) thought to offer limited protection against three specific LPT serovars out of a known 230. The WHO does not recognise this therapy as an effective vaccination against Weils Disease, though it does acknowledge its use against a tiny number of LPT infections. However, the WHO has not licensed this vaccine for export or for use outside Japan.
This is the ONLY vaccine currently in use in the world and it does not protect against 99% of known serovars and is ONLY available in Japan. China is working on an effective vaccine but admits it is nowhere near finding one as yet.
I am not scaremongering here. I for one would welcome a vaccine with open arms, as would the pharmaceutical industry that stands to make $billions in revenue from the sale of a successful fully licensed vaccine. All I am trying to point out to my French friends is that there is NO current vaccine available in France that is effective protection against Weils Disease.
The WHO states that outside the far east, France has the largest incidence of Weils disease in the western world. If they DID have a vaccine (which they don't) then it's not working.
JIM: this is for you...I am no doctor, but in this instance I think I can say with 100% certainty that the vaccination you have received is NOT going to protect you against Weils Disease. Please continue to take all the necessary precautions to prevent infection...and that goes for everyone both here and abroad.
(It should be noted that lepto infections occur frequently and are always treatable with antibiotics should the infection get so far as to require treatment. Quite often the infection clears up and goes away - often untreated - after causing the patient to suffer nothing more than what appears to be a bad cold. Leptospirosis infection in and of itself is unpleasant but not lethal, whereas Weils - the result of a deepening of the infection - can be lethal. This infection DOES NOT clear up: indeed it worsens and becomes Weils Disease)
Please, guys, do not be sidetracked by this discussion about the availabilty or otherwise of a vaccine. There is NO vaccine licensed for use in Europe. None whatsoever. Next time you see you doctor, ask him and he will tell you the same thing. So PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep safe out on the bank, or you may end up a dead man walking.
In reply to Post #196
hi guys i did post early on in this thread and while at the carp show i found one of these.
now you can protect your self a bit more,and not have to carry water on any venue....
http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=192684
used by our soldiers in the field.if we can get enough interest may be they will do forum members a discount....
hi guys i did post early on in this thread and while at the carp show i found one of these.
now you can protect your self a bit more,and not have to carry water on any venue....
http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=192684
used by our soldiers in the field.if we can get enough interest may be they will do forum members a discount....
In reply to Post #197
As stated in the other thread, sounds a good idea in principle but I feel that there are questions left unanswered that need addressing before considering this product as stated in my post #27 of the thread you link to.
wraith
As stated in the other thread, sounds a good idea in principle but I feel that there are questions left unanswered that need addressing before considering this product as stated in my post #27 of the thread you link to.
wraith
In reply to Post #199
your questions have been forwarded to them mate and very good ones they are
your questions have been forwarded to them mate and very good ones they are