I'm curious as to how the French lake owners are coping amidst this chaos and travel uncertainty. I expect that it is very tough for them but are things as tough as I suspect?
In reply to Post #1
Tough times indeed for lake owners I am afraid. There is some help from the French Government but it is just a fraction of income losses. Cash needs spending to maintain the property, facilities and to feed the fish otherwise the venue will go backwards. I feel so sorry for the newer venue's that due to having no business history will not receive any financial help at all in these troubled times. Those of us with pensions or other forms of income are keeping on top of things however with another season of income loss the outlook is bleak for many. It should be remembered that these days the majority of fisheries owned by Brits are not the big commercial venue's but family owned where couples have sunk all their savings into setting up what I term as a 'life change' business. The fishery income allows for a family to live over here and contribute to the system. No income at all makes life very difficult for them and I know several where the man of the family has had to return to the UK to earn some money. Tough times.
Tough times indeed for lake owners I am afraid. There is some help from the French Government but it is just a fraction of income losses. Cash needs spending to maintain the property, facilities and to feed the fish otherwise the venue will go backwards. I feel so sorry for the newer venue's that due to having no business history will not receive any financial help at all in these troubled times. Those of us with pensions or other forms of income are keeping on top of things however with another season of income loss the outlook is bleak for many. It should be remembered that these days the majority of fisheries owned by Brits are not the big commercial venue's but family owned where couples have sunk all their savings into setting up what I term as a 'life change' business. The fishery income allows for a family to live over here and contribute to the system. No income at all makes life very difficult for them and I know several where the man of the family has had to return to the UK to earn some money. Tough times.
In reply to Post #2
I recall Paul Selman highlighting that in his opinion Most French fishery operators were doing so unlawfully and without a valid tax reference, I think they called it a Siret number, I wonder how things are panning out for them in terms of government support if that is the case. Either way I bet it is extremely hard and my thoughts go out to them all.
I recall Paul Selman highlighting that in his opinion Most French fishery operators were doing so unlawfully and without a valid tax reference, I think they called it a Siret number, I wonder how things are panning out for them in terms of government support if that is the case. Either way I bet it is extremely hard and my thoughts go out to them all.
In reply to Post #3
It's hard to have much sympathy for those that choose to operate outside of the law. I guess if you do so you have to accept the rough with the smooth and you wouldn't expect to get any Fr Gov support
It's hard to have much sympathy for those that choose to operate outside of the law. I guess if you do so you have to accept the rough with the smooth and you wouldn't expect to get any Fr Gov support
In reply to Post #3
You will find that Paul was talking about how things used to be 10 or 15 years ago. These days the vast majority of venue's are fully legal and new venues will need to be for the owners to stay in France.
You will find that Paul was talking about how things used to be 10 or 15 years ago. These days the vast majority of venue's are fully legal and new venues will need to be for the owners to stay in France.
In reply to Post #5
Do lake owners not consider generating 'some' revenue by offsetting some of the required test cost so anglers could effectively travel over and quarantine with a 5 day early release.test? That way the lake owner attracts some revenue and anglers can afford to travel for not much more than the original asking price, if they can cope with a short quarantine period of course. Is that not better than an empty lake each week? You would require a fit to fly, day 2 and 8 plus day 5 test.
Do lake owners not consider generating 'some' revenue by offsetting some of the required test cost so anglers could effectively travel over and quarantine with a 5 day early release.test? That way the lake owner attracts some revenue and anglers can afford to travel for not much more than the original asking price, if they can cope with a short quarantine period of course. Is that not better than an empty lake each week? You would require a fit to fly, day 2 and 8 plus day 5 test.
In reply to Post #3
Paul Selman is and was talking absolute nonsense, all the lake owners I know (and i was until recently one of those owners) are operating legally, paying their taxes and have siret numbers
Paul Selman is and was talking absolute nonsense, all the lake owners I know (and i was until recently one of those owners) are operating legally, paying their taxes and have siret numbers
In reply to Post #6
How much money would lake owners make if they subsidised the tests for anglers? Average costs for the 3 tests comes in at around 250-300 quid, multiply that be say 5 anglers = 1250-1500 quid......cost for the lake exclusive say 1500 quid so the owner makes nothing for the week...mmmmmmm interesting business plan!
How much money would lake owners make if they subsidised the tests for anglers? Average costs for the 3 tests comes in at around 250-300 quid, multiply that be say 5 anglers = 1250-1500 quid......cost for the lake exclusive say 1500 quid so the owner makes nothing for the week...mmmmmmm interesting business plan!
In reply to Post #8
1. It was a suggestion/question not a business plan.
2. You used the word 'subsidised' yourself which was the original suggestion, not 'paid for'.
3. The thinking was more along the lines of normal cost per person on lakes i fish are £500 per person then subsidised might be £400. I've found all 4 tests if you use an Antigen to be around £225 if you shop around. The angler may then decide an extra £125 is worth the trip and the lake owner get's 80% of the cost on what would have been an empty week. Even if you took £1000 per week on a drive and survive basis say from a £1500 original quote (using your figures) it's £1000 you wouldn't have had on a week you've probably had to now move.
4. Good luck with your no anglers business plan
1. It was a suggestion/question not a business plan.
2. You used the word 'subsidised' yourself which was the original suggestion, not 'paid for'.
3. The thinking was more along the lines of normal cost per person on lakes i fish are £500 per person then subsidised might be £400. I've found all 4 tests if you use an Antigen to be around £225 if you shop around. The angler may then decide an extra £125 is worth the trip and the lake owner get's 80% of the cost on what would have been an empty week. Even if you took £1000 per week on a drive and survive basis say from a £1500 original quote (using your figures) it's £1000 you wouldn't have had on a week you've probably had to now move.
4. Good luck with your no anglers business plan
In reply to Post #7
Disagree with you sorry! At the time Paul made the comments there were many lake operators who either mistakenly had not registered as a business in France (myself included) but were registered in the UK and there were those that were not registered anywhere. Times seem to have changed now although there are still a lot of venues who choose not to show their Siret number on their websites, why, I have no idea?
Disagree with you sorry! At the time Paul made the comments there were many lake operators who either mistakenly had not registered as a business in France (myself included) but were registered in the UK and there were those that were not registered anywhere. Times seem to have changed now although there are still a lot of venues who choose not to show their Siret number on their websites, why, I have no idea?
In reply to Post #5
Exactly Jim. As I understand things, lake operators in France with French residence are not affected by Brexit but others (even properly registered in France) who want to stay in France for the whole of the fishing season need a Carte Sejour so they can stay longer than 90 consecutive days in France. So pleased I am retired!
Exactly Jim. As I understand things, lake operators in France with French residence are not affected by Brexit but others (even properly registered in France) who want to stay in France for the whole of the fishing season need a Carte Sejour so they can stay longer than 90 consecutive days in France. So pleased I am retired!
In reply to Post #10
Indeed. To be fair to Paul these comments must have been at least ten years ago now.
Indeed. To be fair to Paul these comments must have been at least ten years ago now.
In reply to Post #9
not a lke owner pal, so doesnt really affect me.......just didnt think it a very good suggestion
not a lke owner pal, so doesnt really affect me.......just didnt think it a very good suggestion
In reply to Post #10
yeah 10 years ago, that may have been true, not any more
yeah 10 years ago, that may have been true, not any more
In reply to Post #11
not affected by Brexit? Other than not being allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum and having NO customers for 18 months, no not affected at all!! We were fully registered legal and insured, paid our tax/ feed bills /maintenance etc etc but totally UNAFFECTED by Brexit...? OK whatever you say
not affected by Brexit? Other than not being allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum and having NO customers for 18 months, no not affected at all!! We were fully registered legal and insured, paid our tax/ feed bills /maintenance etc etc but totally UNAFFECTED by Brexit...? OK whatever you say