Hi folks

I'm a lifetime angler, but i'm a newbie to carp fishing, having started just last season. All of the terminal tackle i used were ready made rigs, such as those Fox supply. The two rigs i was using were very simple, as shown in the link below, the begginer carp rig, i also used a similar rig for pop up boilies. I'd like to get started making my own rigs this season, but keeping it simple, nothing too complicated, i need to learn to walk before i start to run.

What would be the 3 main basic rigs you recommend a begginer to use?

Rather than me trying to buy all of the pieces required for these rigs individually, which i see could be quite pricey at the checkout, i'm wondering if there are ready made terminal tackle sets out there that have everything in them to help make these basic rigs. Something like this maybe?

https://zlowokazje.pl/t/drobne-akcesoria-wedkarskie/ngt-carp-rig-accessory-box-175pcs?gclid=Cj0KCQiArvX_BRCyARIsAKsnTxNYkWWRdE_W_Bm8XklkFYU-WNBjVSNUPx5jp8d1EcNDMLykvRKulB4aAoWXEALw_wcB

Would a set like this be recommended? Are any other brands offering terminal tackle sets that are worth considering?

I should note, i am comfortable fishing the method feeder, i used this a lot last season. I'm also ok with pva bags. I already have all the bits and pices needed for these rigs.

Thanks
Alistair

Hi Alistair
Rather than recommending rigs, I'd learn a few good knots..
A grinner knot for connecting mainline to swivels
A knotless knot for tying hooks
A figure of 8 loop knot for hair loops or connecting your hooklength to a quick-change swivel.

If you can tie a basic knotless knot, that will do you for a large percentage of rigs that will catch you fish?

Rather than spend money on ready tied rigs, you will find it more economical to buy some rig materials in the long run, not only that but the sense of achievement catching on your own rigs is reward in itself.

There is so much information written or posted on the internet out there, you'll be knocking up rigs in no time?
Much better to be able to shorten a rig or tie a longer version than being stuck with a company's idea of the perfect rig? Even if is just tying up boom sections for ready tied chods or ronnie rigs for pop-ups if you don't feel confident in tying up stiff-rigs? (But if you can tie loop knots, a good alternative would be the multi-rig?)

Check out the likes of Bank tackle for cheaper alternatives to big brand names as well..

Good luck 👍

Sorry if that sounds a bit like how to ‘suck eggs'?
But if you can tie a knotless knot rig on a sripped back length of coated braid about 8” long, you're probably covered for 70% of your fishing needs...
Ask yourself how many carp are caught on this rig, here & abroad, year in year out.

The likes of Darrell Peck do rather well fishing this sort of rig, as do countless others..

There are probably hundreds of video tutorials on YouTube on tying carp rigs, keep it simple is the answer. Knotless knot with or without shrink tube to aid the rig spinning, either made of mono nylon or coated braid.

In reply to Post #2
Many thanks lads. All advice noted, I will be working on mastering the basic knots which will stand me in good stead for setting up the different rigs.

In reply to Post #5
Id do as prev post look for tutorials on utube basic blowback rig and multi rig will be great to start
and id 2nd the bank tackle there decent and cheaper than the well known brands

In reply to Post #5
I purchased a set of terminal tackle parts. I have this braid at home and i'm wondering if it is suitable for making hair rigs, or should i invest in some other type of braid. The braid i have is:

Caperlan Lure Braid, 0.35mm, 13.5kg, 29.8lbs. Colour is dark brown.

If this is not ideal, can someone explain why, and note what type of braid i should be using.

Thanks

15lb braid, don't forget 15lb mono can and is perfectly suitable for hook lengths.

Hook sizes 10, 8 and 6

bait size squared 18mm or a standard 15mm although that can be reduced in size to

Rig Glue is essential for the knotless knot just a dab.

bottom bait rig and a pop up rig

Good companies - Excellent terminal Tackle - decent prices.

Gardner, ESP/Drennan, Carp R Us, Rigmoral

In reply to Post #7
Having googled the braid it looks as if that is for throwing jigs/jellies/plugs/lures about as a mainline for your reel, it is a high breaking strain it would not be advisable to use it as a hooklink as it is probably very fine and would cut the scissors of the mouth of the fish using it for hooklinks, you want a more dedicated hooklink material as mentioned monofilament or a coated/non-coated hooklink material specifically for the job.

Something like
THIS is generally the type of product as a dedicated hooklink, you can strip break the coating to form supple/hinged sections.

In reply to Post #8
Agree other than the rig glue bit , not needed at all

In reply to Post #9
Perfect, thanks folks, much appreciated.

Carpstar, i will order the Mikado hooklink you suggest. First i ask this, the main place i will fish this year regularly produces carp between 25lb to 50lb and more. Would you say 20lb hooklink woukd be suffice, or would 30lb be advised for playing specimen size carp?

In reply to Post #11
20lb will be fine more than adequate.

In reply to Post #12
ok thanks

In reply to Post #14
Thanks mate, i've done just that, i bought this set: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B08B4CL7VK?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

Not fully worked out what to do with it yet though! In addition to the 4 pcs shown, it also comes with a packet of small silver rings, not sure exactly what they are for yet.

If there are any other sets on Amazon you would recommend, if you could post the link.

Thanks

In reply to Post #8
Interested to know why rig glue is essential for knotless knot? I've never needed rig glue for it

In reply to Post #10
33 years in I wouldn't tie a rig without it when using the knotless knot. Had enough rigs as a kid undo its self and render itself useless each to their own.

In reply to Post #17
That would be down to not tying them properly, the knot less knot once under strain just pulls tighter therefore making it not able to slip. A properly tied knot needs no glue

Your wrong.

In reply to Post #19
What he says is spot on. It can only get tighter. Your doing something wrong if you need glue for a knot less knot

Sorry let me explain my findings

I fished a lake for 3 months solid when I was 18. The knot if held under tension works however during this time of on the odd occasion the knot would through the return loop back round the eye. I had this happen literally two maybe three times and noticed the same thing happen to the bailiff. The majority of the time it was fine once may have been a fluke something I had done so I started to use rig glue. Since then i have used tired and not bothered with rig glue and on the odd occasion I've had the same thing happen.

Fished a place with lots of cray fish as a kid, on occasion the last turn on the return of the knot would drop back round essentially rendering the rig useless as it caused the hook length to leave the back of the hook. Tie a knotless knot with Nylon I'd defo use a dab of glue the knot just is begging to unwind.

I appreciate the principles of the knotless and leaders great in theory.

I'll leave it at this I prefer to use a dab of glue if you happy not to then great.

In reply to Post #19
It's no assumption, it's fact. Even in crayfish infested waters. Glue can also affect the strength of certain materials ,meaning it makes them weaker.hence why barely anyone actually sells rig glue these days

Nice edit btw

In reply to Post #23
I get a little emotional and should know better hence the edit.

Now I have just looked on line and see that the is a variation in tying the knotless knot both whip up the shank than returns where as (as I was shown) on the return back down the shank I would go round the shank once or even twice. It would therefore make sense that those return wraps have caused me to experience the issues I've had.

I've not found Gardner's rig glue weaken hook lengths again something I've used for decades I've heard it mentioned I've just haven't had an issue with it. I wouldn't know about the sales of glue I just hope that Gardner stop selling it.

Glue for a knot less knot? Dont be silly how on earth could it undo itself it tied properly

In reply to Post #19
He isn't. A correctly tied knotless knot will not come undone

In almost 30 years of carping I have never glued a knotless knot. Why you would add something so unnatural and stinky to the most important part of your rig unnecessarily is beyond me

Read on

A knotless knot doesn't need glue In fact I've never glued any knot.

Oh well