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scaley&dark

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#9 13 May 2024 at 7.15pm

In reply to Post #8
Any of the decent higher end, top quality milk proteins like Acid or Rennet Casein, Calcium or Sodium Caseinate & WPC80 - I would imagine. Quality costs

Whereas the sweeter calf milks like Vitamealo or Lamb milk powders like Lamlac, etc, are much cheaper, but generally perform a different function.

DenzelLN

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#8 13 May 2024 at 5.11pm

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What are the milk powders that Nick Helleur (sp?) describes as 'prohibitively expensive' out of interest?

Mikepet

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#7 6 May 2024 at 4.48pm

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Great post Scaley, thanks for your help mate

christian

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#6 5 May 2024 at 9.56pm

In reply to Post #4
I use 20% milk protein in nut baits and never had a problem with buoyancy. I use casein and whey. Acid casein is actually quite a heavy (dense) ingredient.

scaley&dark

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#5 5 May 2024 at 8.43pm

In reply to Post #4
Have a look at Bacarel Express. Also supply excellent products & a brilliant service, like AA Baits.

Any Quality bait doesn't come cheap nowadays.
Budget wise I would try to keep the high quality milk to 20% total content. Just experiment until you get a mix you are happy with.

5% Whey Protein 80 should bind the most nut mixes, I'd go up to 10% Max.
If you want to add anymore, you are on the right lines with any of the below.
2.5 - 5% Acid Casein.
2.5 - 5% Rennet Casein.
2.5 - 5% Calcium caseinate.

Nut mixes can be a pig to roll, because of the oil content, you will appreciate any good quality milks in the mix
As high fat binders like calf milk powder or soya flour are popular can make binding awkward at higher levels.

The nut meal piece/grades vary from supplier to supplier, make sure whatever one you choose, buy in only small amounts that you will roll up soon, as they can oxidise quickly, try to use within 3 months.

Nut mixes are an interesting subject, some waters respond very well to them, others waters not so much, they do taste nice, catch lots of fish, and lots of people do well on them, even in winter, when they shouldn't work that well, as the oil & fat content In a lot of nut baits are higher, and are less digestible than most decent summer fishmeal baits.

Another tip, make your test mixes on paper, or spreadsheet for a 1 kilo base mix, then divide each ingredient by 7, giving you a 142 gram mix. Minimal waste. work up from this.

You end up with enough dry mix to roll a 1 egg test mix, which if it doesn't bind, or roll nicely on the table it doesn't hit your wallet or ingredient stock as hard, if you waste a mix or two.
No one likes wasting expensive milk powders. Especially me !
Hope that helps.

Mikepet

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#4 5 May 2024 at 4.12pm

In reply to Post #3
Thanks for your input. I�ve been looking at rennet and acid casein on aa baits. They recommend a 50/50 blend for a better amino profile? I�ve already got 5% wpc80 in my mix. Says use upto 5% of the casein�s in the mix so was thinking 25g of each per kg and the 50g of wpc. Only 10% milks, but as don�t seem to recommend more due to making bait buoyant?

christian

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#3 3 May 2024 at 9.43am

In reply to Post #1
You can't go wrong with casein and whey powders. If you can only afford one use 10% whey but I think they work best together, keep the Whey at 10% and add 10 to 20% casein. If you want even more than that then add calcium caseinate. But in a nut mix I think I would be looking at 20% maximum of quality milks.

JamieNow

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#2 3 May 2024 at 0.10am

In reply to Post #1
lots of variety & answers will depend on how much you are willing to pay - old favorites are mega expensive now.

if you want a blend within a part mix for bulk rolling I would have a look at a calf or lambs milk replacer from animal feed suppliers. if you want a top mix to cut into your bait in smaller amounts then consider buying a kg of Supermilk from John Baker or HydroMilk from Optibaits (probably the best milk base on the market but 23 quid a kg)

Mikepet

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#1 2 May 2024 at 10.59pm

I�m currently putting my own nutmix together, I want to use a blend of high quality milk proteins. After some recommendations on which ones would you go for?

Thanks in advance.


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