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In reply to Post #11
You haven’t had a hook pull in 20 years?
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In reply to Post #10
Unless you’re extensively filming underwater Nick I don’t understand what tests you can have done that aren’t just “hearsay”? (Watched too much Depp x Heard trial).
I hate to point this out, but fishing a water where you can lower your baits in, on any set-up, and go old school, write and take notes of how lead set-ups behave in water on a take.
Underwater cameras present their own problems, that of a feature that does not belong, which could be making carp wary of the area.
Helicopter rigs have been well written, not just by myself, but Tim Paisley has also written about funny hookholds, hookpulls, strange indications, and hookpoints going over, (Big Carp), but I have found that helicopter presentations actually give a lot of missed takes with no indication. Even with some 'positive' indication, the fish can move a long way for minimal indication on the buzzer or hanger/swinger. One or two bleeps can lead to a fish having moved 30-40 yards when fishing at range.
Tim Paisley ignored a lot of 'roach' takes until he reeled in and found a carp on the end.
I try not to use helicopter setups, preferring running leads, but I will go semi-fixed if conditions don't allow running leads. I can honestly say, I have not had a hookpull since I fished Ardleigh back in the 2000's. I have had the occasional fish loss, and that is nearly all down to me not checking knots properly after putting them under pressure, and that includes in standard use. In other words, check your line and knots every cast!
There has been the occasional fish making it to an unknown snag.
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In reply to Post #1
A stiff link like you’re using is more likely to present well with a helicopter. That said, you’ve had a few so it’s clearly working. I don’t think it would automatically stand a better chance of takes in the manner you suggest, but it would minimise the likelihood of the lead plugging and the link sticking up at an angle.
Unless you’re extensively filming underwater Nick I don’t understand what tests you can have done that aren’t just “hearsay”? (Watched too much Depp x Heard trial).
I’ve used helicopters pretty much exclusively for at least 10 years. I can only remember 2 or 3 hookpulls in the last 5 years +, and 99% of my hookholds are rock solid.
Those hookpull’s occurred immediately after lifting the rod and the points had completely gone over, suggesting the hook had hit bone… nothing to do with the lead arrangement.
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In reply to Post #8
What about the tapered sleeve the bead sits on?
And what about the number of beads you’re needlessly buying?
Sorry mate I’m sure it works well for you but personally I’ve never got my head around impeding the lead
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In reply to Post #7
I use a no trace bead comes off everytime?
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In reply to Post #1
Sack the shocker element off straight away. Potential catastrophe in the making.
Fish it semi fixed with corresponding swivel and lead insert or running, but a second bead to achieve what a tight drag on the rest does is poor form
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In reply to Post #4
In reply to Post #3
I know I won’t achieve that shocker effect, I’m thinking on a helicopter, the rig has more movement so it will hook fish coming in at different angles better than an inline setup .
An inline arrangement has the best hooking potential over any other lead set-up. The fact that it gives minimal movement of the lead means it hooks the best.
If you try Mark1009's advice of a leadclip, cut the swivel off the lead. The swivel allows for a little extra movement, which can be enough for the carp to use to eject the hook.
In terms of hooking potential, and I have experimented with semi-fixed leads, the helicopter lead gives worst hookups, allows the fish to eject the hook and worst bite indication, and at range that indication is decreased.
Helicopter rigs can also lead to funny hookholds, and hookpulls.
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In reply to Post #4
Try a lead clip arrangement on a combi rig. That would give you what you want. Boom material and length can be adjusted to suit the bottom you are fishing on. Try it on one rod against what you are currently using. See if it's better.
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In reply to Post #3
I know I won’t achieve that shocker effect, I’m thinking on a helicopter, the rig has more movement so it will hook fish coming in at different angles better than an inline setup .
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In reply to Post #1
Unless your helicopter rig is on a very tight line you are better off with the set up you have. To get the same effect the rig would need to be close to the lead with the beads set very close together. Only worth using the helicopter on a dirty bottom when necessary. Imho.
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In reply to Post #1
If what you are doing works, and your results are comparable to others, don't change.
If you try it on another rod and the results are better then go with it.
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I’m currently using a d rig made up of trick link with an inline lead shocker style - I have caught a couple. Would I be better fishing this style of rig on a helicopter set up? I’m thinking on a helicopter a fish coming in from different angles to the rig I stand a better chance of take over the inline?
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