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Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #28 26 Jan 2022 at 8.07am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #27
Yeah i really respect korda that they actually tell you they used the drone, or the owner/bailiff tipped them off where to fish.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #27 25 Jan 2022 at 11.25pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #24
Probably explains why they move swims so often. At least they don't claim to have been up all night listening for fish lunking.
CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #26 25 Jan 2022 at 8.24pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #25
Yea that got shutdown sharpish didn't it lol
AideyKaye
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   Old Thread  #25 25 Jan 2022 at 6.41pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Are you people actually surprised?

There are anglers putting hormones into the ecosystem...
Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #24 23 Jan 2022 at 10.07am  2  Login    Register
In reply to Post #22
My guess is that it's kind of dictated by the cameras. For a good film they really want a big hit of fish, so they are going to take the risk and fish "big hit style" it may be a big risk, but when it plays off it makes for a better video than nicking a bite early on and then nothing else happening.

Thing that stands out to me is the drone footage. It's amazing really, takes 90% of the guess work out.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #23 22 Jan 2022 at 6.25pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #22
Yes Ian Russell would have had two out before bedtime.
Fortysteve
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Fortysteve
   Old Thread  #22 22 Jan 2022 at 3.33pm  0  Login    Register
Slightly off topic, but I have just watched this this film and couldn’t help but think how one track minded session angling makes people. Dan turned up in a swim with fish present, and rather than fish it like a short session angler to get a fish under his belt quickly, he leaded the F out of it and then put 20 spods out. Surprisingly the fish pretty much did the off. I was cringing watching it!
pearbo
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pearbo
   Old Thread  #21 21 Jan 2022 at 12.21pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #20
That’s fair, I just assumed it was one of them tapered jobbies, have been watching fox vids as well so probably got them mixed up
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #20 20 Jan 2022 at 5.24pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #17
I imagine it was but it still makes no difference whether the sinker is put on the line before or after the bead. The bead will pass over the sinker in any direction
cornish-carper
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cornish-carper
   Old Thread  #19 19 Jan 2022 at 10.41am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #18
I have asked the question politely on you tube no - reply !
Terpinhimley
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Terpinhimley
   Old Thread  #18 18 Jan 2022 at 11.07pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #4
Ive always thought this was a pointless and dangerous use of a leadclip. Fairbrass has been doing this for years and i still cant wrap my head around it. If he wants to use a running rig, just have a lead running on the line for gawd sake.
pearbo
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pearbo
   Old Thread  #17 18 Jan 2022 at 4.21pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #13
I assumed they were using them beads that go from a big bore to a small bore.
woody71
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   Old Thread  #16 18 Jan 2022 at 3.46pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #11
Yes spot on the other one they show it with is with the "runnin lead clip" and rubber inserted into tubing so now they have a length of small diameter tubing tail rubber and lead clip for any trailing line to pass.

It really is stupid for them to show this type of set up especially when they sell run rig beads and large diameter swivels made for the job
NickGordon
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NickGordon
   Old Thread  #15 18 Jan 2022 at 2.41pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
As has been said elsewhere in this thread, Yes it is a whole lot more dangerous.

A lead clip will not pass over a leader knot or breakage where a large diameter run ring will.

The lead MUST be ejected to make it safe; when it is running, the tail rubber will not slide off and eject the lead. Because the run ring can slide over the knot, that is able to eject the lead.

cornish-carper
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cornish-carper
   Old Thread  #14 18 Jan 2022 at 10.34am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #11
Spot on
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #13 18 Jan 2022 at 10.04am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #10
I can’t see how this makes any difference. The beat will pop off the sinker whichever way round they’re put on.
Chow_Mein
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   Old Thread  #12 18 Jan 2022 at 10.01am  0  Login    Register
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If the swivel was crushed with a "KORDA KRUSHER" then its perfectly safe. I think its the green colour that makes it safer.

Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #11 18 Jan 2022 at 9.33am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
It absolutely is.

A running rig ring has a huge diameter, so it pulls over anything easily. This has a tail rubber, on leadcore. You try pulling that off leadcore, it only takes the tiniest but of weed or scuzz to get in that hole and its getting jammed on.

When you crack off and the line springs back and pig tails, in a birds nest, a running rig ring has half a chance of still releasing. And if it doesn't, a good running rig ring will then dump the lead and just leave the ring.

If that happens on lead clip, the tail rubber will just get pushed on further and further.

I dont even understand why they would use a leadclip, it can never dunk the lead of it isn't fixed. It's just needlessly dangerous. Just use the right tools for the job.
pearbo
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pearbo
   Old Thread  #10 18 Jan 2022 at 9.05am  1  Login    Register
Regarding Peck’s chod rig, when he puts the sinker on first to stop the rig running too far up the line, he then puts a tapered bead on. Surely the bead should be put on first so the rig can push it off the top of the sinker in case of a crack off? Not the first time I’ve seen it on online vids but this can’t be right?
RKB
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RKB
   Old Thread  #9 18 Jan 2022 at 8.48am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #8
In addition, once you start crushing swivels out of shape you're introducing a degree of weakness to a component that's not designed to be tampered with.
cornish-carper
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cornish-carper
   Old Thread  #8 17 Jan 2022 at 11.54pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
This set up has a tail rubber that has to go over a loop in the lead core / leadless leader surly not safe! There are other ways of creating the same type of shock effect with that lead arrangement - tadpole rubber or just a tail rubber.
gurtbelter
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   Old Thread  #7 17 Jan 2022 at 9.48pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #6
It's not any more dangerous than any other running rig. If the line breaks it will still pull off the line like any other set up. They do it as it gives a bolt effect with the swivel semi fixed in the clip.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #6 17 Jan 2022 at 9.27pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #5
Yes, they need to keep re- inventing the wheel. Rigs that caught fish 40 years ago still catch fish. True, some of the newer materials are better than the old ones.However newest does not always gaurantee best. There are plenty of people catching on old fashioned rigs and end tackle.
Rai
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   Old Thread  #5 17 Jan 2022 at 8.49pm  0  Login    Register
They need to keep coming up with new ideas in order to promote products. Undoubtedly a lot of the new rig ideas catch more anglers rather than fish.

All of the “new” ideas catch fish but doubt they will catch any more than their last big thing.

Unfortunately a lot of the ideas are for the sake of having an idea and publicising it rather than that they are needed.

Having said this they appear to be a very successful business so good luck to them


bowlsky
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bowlsky
   Old Thread  #4 17 Jan 2022 at 8.34pm  0  Login    Register
Seen this used by Korda loads over the years . Can’t say I agree with it
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #3 17 Jan 2022 at 4.22pm  0  Login    Register
Surely that defeats the whole point of having a lead clip. May as well just have a running rig to a swivel and bead. It's not new either solar used to do a clip you could unscrew to make it running. Not sure if they still do them.
woody71
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   Old Thread  #2 17 Jan 2022 at 4.16pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Various members of korda have shown that rig several times over the last few years , no its not just you that thinks its dangerous it has caused a couple of debates on here in the past
Leeroyjenkins
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Leeroyjenkins
   Old Thread  #1 17 Jan 2022 at 4.05pm  0  Login    Register
Has anyone seen this yet, just released on YouTube.

The "running" rig used, is a lead clip, with the swivel crushed so that the lead clip isn't fixed, and can run up the leadcore

It's not just me right, surely someone must realise how dangerous this rig is?
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