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   Old Thread  #37 28 Nov 2021 at 6.17pm  2Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I don't know why people worry so much about getting the exact distance to the nearest inch of your fishing mark to drop your spod on top of it to bait up accurately. Because in reality, you have more control over the exact range you want to cast by clipping up, but you have no control over how far to the left or right you are casting but nobody bothers about that.

So what is the point of crying you might me casting a foot or two past your mark when you may be a yard or two to the left or right or even more at long range, which in theory if your clipped up leads to baiting up a linear shape of bait on the bottom as opposed to a circular area. Unless your capable of managing to hit the exact spot to within an inch at any range on every cast.

If I can be bothered, I usually spod from the front of my swim which makes me bait up beyond my mark, then take a step or two back and carry on spodding or variations on this method. Or, just leave my marker float out and spod to it, left, right, short and beyond. And them methods will create a circular patch of bait on the bottom and your rig in the middle of it or off to the edge of the baited area depending on how you do it.

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   Old Thread  #36 28 Nov 2021 at 4.20pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I use to in the 70,s but the worlds moved on
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   Old Thread  #35 28 Nov 2021 at 12.03pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Will beg to differ on that as bait up an area around tennis court size so I know my 3 rigs are well within the area...if my catch rates were poor then I would question my tactics...but.like I say they work for me...
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   Old Thread  #34 28 Nov 2021 at 11.30am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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At that sort of range without clipping up I highly doubt you are fishing anywhere near your baited area, you might get lucky now and again but I really doubt it
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   Old Thread  #33 28 Nov 2021 at 11.21am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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OK fair enough, but does anyone do that?

I might do that in very specific situations, long running chods for example. But not if I was fishing a tight baited area.

Even with no clip I've always stopped it with my finger to straighten it all out as it hits the water, then felt the lead down.

I've never seen anyone just cast out, and leave the line slack?
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   Old Thread  #32 28 Nov 2021 at 11.03am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Unless you fish clipped up and hit the lead firmly or feather and stop the lead before it hits the water the lead will always land on a slack line and once the water has slowed it down it will fall vertically to the bottom. If the lead hits the water without being stopped in some way the line continues to flow off the reel after it the lead hits causing a large bow of slack line
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   Old Thread  #31 28 Nov 2021 at 9.14am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree mate, I don't clip up, and I don't feel the lead down, obviouly I will have a lead around first to check out the designated area...I normally fish 100 to 130yds on a large pit (no boats allowed)...I spomb an area (not clipped up) then tend to fish all 3 rods in that area.
My catch rates are good and consistent...at the end of the day its what you have confidence in...

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   Old Thread  #30 28 Nov 2021 at 9.05am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I honestly don't understand what point you mean by this? "unless the lead hits the water on a tight line"

what situation wouldn't the lead hit on a tight line. I dont see what relevance this has?

It does pivot on the point where the line meets the water, it's different on different lines, but I've seen it with my own eyes. That point where the line meets the water moves as well, so it's impossible to calculate for different lines or water conditions.

If it falls long enough it does go from the rod tip, i worked this out from a 60ft deep pit. Cast to the middle and the marker float pops up under your feet

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   Old Thread  #29 28 Nov 2021 at 8.56am  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Applying bait at range by any method other than a boat or bait boat is inherently innacurate and the level of innacuracy grows the greater the range gets.
Anyone fishing at a hundred yards who thinks they are fishing on a "bin lid" is deluding themselves unless bin lids come in 30 ft sizes. Add wind and water conditions to that and allowing for drop back is pointless as the spread of bait will be far greater than the 3 ft allowed in 10ft of water under the 1ft for every 3ft rule of thumb.
Don't worry about it. Bait up and fish. You could also use a good tangle free rig and not feel the lead down, hey presto! no drop back. Am I allowed to say that in these days of anal retentive gurus.
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   Old Thread  #28 27 Nov 2021 at 11.03pm  1Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I donít have answers to any of this but it sounds like everyone is taking it that the line is in a straight line at all times from the tip to the lead. When in fact different size arcs are formed by different lines. So you can never be100% accurate even with a marker as that will sink at a slower rate than a lead on its own so create less arc or fall back.
I still use a marker at distance though as I had the day off when we did maths at school.
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   Old Thread  #27 27 Nov 2021 at 10.02pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I wouldn't usually, just making the point that unless the lead hits the water on a tight line it will fall through the water like a thrown stone, straight down. Drop back is a result of a tight line between the rod tip and the lead.
In terms of physics it is a pendulum that swings until it is stopped by hitting the lake bed. If the water is deeper than the length of the line the lead will swing until it hangs vertically from the rod tip. It won't continue swinging because of the damping( no pun intended) effect of the water. Where the line enters the water may have a very small effect on the system because the line is not rigid The point of suspension is the rod tip. A pendulum doesn't have a fulcrum.
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   Old Thread  #26 27 Nov 2021 at 8.13pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't really understand what you're saying? Why would you be letting the lead fall in a slack line?
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   Old Thread  #25 27 Nov 2021 at 8.04pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I bought this video years ago but itís now up on you tube
It goes into it on here

https://youtu.be/gBZ0OOW1C7c
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   Old Thread  #24 27 Nov 2021 at 7.51pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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there's an article in the online Carpology that says exactly that.
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   Old Thread  #23 27 Nov 2021 at 4.58pm  Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iíd suggest clipping up at the same distance
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