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kizzi

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#23 30 Oct 2021 at 9.05pm

I don’t pretend to know the details of this but I’ve known Bob, and in those days his Dad John, since the mid 80’s. I cannot overstate how much his shop and his help is the reason that stuck at carp fishing in the ‘80’s when I was out of my depth.

Even back then they used to talk about tench fishing Sutton from their garden so his claim to have been doing this for 30 years is true.

When you think of how much of DDAPS membership money will have come from people who Bob (and the TackleBox) encouraged and helped to start fishing and them treating him like this stinks.

Aside from enjoying terrible puns far too much, I can’t think of a nicer or less argumentative bloke than Bob. If he’s arguing it’s because he has been forced into it.

Kieron.

Tinhead

Posts: 16287

#22 29 Oct 2021 at 11.04am

In reply to Post #21
I remember that no unhooking mats fiasco followed by mats in bin liners, before that we had only umbrella based shelters rule. Had some great times there though, with some great characters

kells

Posts: 4957

#21 29 Oct 2021 at 9.09am

In reply to Post #20
I've been a member of DDAPS for ten plus years now. And in this time I have only seen improvements especially on Brooklands the place has had a complete makeover in recent years with a great Bailiffing team behind it. Admittedly in the past the club was very Match oriented with an Anti Carp fishing agenda.. " No unhooking Matt's or Bivvies allowed ******** " But that's a thing of the past now luckly. The situation with Bob Morris and the committee is Sad admittedly. But condeming a whole club over it which was mentioned a few post back is wrong. The issue with banning drinking Alcohol on there waters was a bit strong in my opinion. I like many enjoy a few tins when on the bank fishing. But it was the minority who didnt understand the meaning of a few. And in the end there hand was forced.

DavidGW

Posts: 758

#20 27 Oct 2021 at 7.25pm

In reply to Post #19
I was a member for many years and knew Bob Morris when he first started carp fishing and remember buying some 2 1/4 TC rods to fish Sutton and got them stolen the first night I fished there, expensive trip to the local pub. Sad to read about his dispute with the Club and also sounds like the situation on the carp lakes has gone downhill. On the other hand the club has always been run by match anglers for match anglers and carp anglers were frowned upon, sounds like times haven't changed! Very lucky to have been able to fish Brooklands (before and after DDAPS acquired it), the same applies to Horton Kirby, where I had the keys to the gate long before DDAPS bought it and fished Sutton at Hone from the early 70's. Reading catch reports and talking to some members who are still there after I left, all of these lakes have gone downhill since the 70's. Lack of investment might be 1 reason and no interest by dominant committee members in carp fishing might be another! Hopefully things will improve but.......?

Hitman

Posts: 8865

#19 27 Oct 2021 at 2.26pm

Does that mean the intake of drugs will now shoot in (excuse the pun)

mrjcarter

Posts: 1262

#18 27 Oct 2021 at 1.49pm

In reply to Post #17
End of the day the club should have dealt with the issue of the heavy drinking with those involved, not do a complete ban! Isn't that what they have baliffs for?

AideyKaye

Posts: 813

#17 27 Oct 2021 at 10.38am

In reply to Post #15
I wasn't, just stating that the rule meant people joined other clubs that allowed it. That's the lengths people will go to just to have a beer when fishing. The fact the club had to bring in the rule in the first place showed that alcohol and the subsequent behaviour was becoming an issue. Are people really going to change their behaviours due to the new water they're going to be on? Not by what i've seen.

AideyKaye

Posts: 813

#16 27 Oct 2021 at 10.34am

In reply to Post #14
The other club in the area saw an increase of new members, and an increase in alcohol consumption, resulting in bailiffs being busier and dealing with arguments at midnight with loud noise and water disputes. Fact is, many cannot go fishing without having a beer in their hand. Furthermore, with the vast majority of waters in Kent under waiting lists and not many open access club waters, it's not difficult to see why people hopped onto the A20 for the short journey to Foots Cray, or the M20 to Paddock Wood.

AaronB1992

Posts: 337

#15 26 Oct 2021 at 5.32pm

In reply to Post #14
Agreed. You can't slate a club for banning alcohol on its waters at all

kells

Posts: 4957

#14 26 Oct 2021 at 3.39pm

In reply to Post #10
Cant see how banning Alcohol on DDAPS waters has seen an upturn in drunken behaviour on other local waters, some how.

Winkler

Posts: 524

#13 25 Oct 2021 at 9.21pm

In reply to Post #12
No need to line lawyers pockets if these two were reasonable human beings IMO.. All very sad..

mark1009

Posts: 4237

#12 25 Oct 2021 at 9.08pm

In reply to Post #9
I have heard nothing about this and as I value my membership I won't comment. Sounds like the lawyers need to sort it out.

mark1009

Posts: 4237

#11 25 Oct 2021 at 9.06pm

In reply to Post #10
Tackle thefts at Brooklands have been a problem for 40 years as it's unfenced and the local dross wander around in the early hours. I remember a bailiff throwing a couple of low life's off the bridge many years ago. You can't get away with things like that today unfortunately. That's why I now only fish on the fenced, and secure members only waters.

AideyKaye

Posts: 813

#10 25 Oct 2021 at 7.54pm

In reply to Post #1
Have no experience of the other waters, but Brooklands and Baldwins are carp fishing history. They have done a lot of work to make the lakes more pleasant on the eye, and the lakes no doubt has some lovely old fish in them. That's about where the pleasantries end. They have no desire to minimise the amount of thefts that occur, something that has been an issue for decades. Some have got away without issue, others have been involved in multiple thefts.

They recently banned alcohol on the lakes, which resulted in neighbouring waters having to deal with drunks and people wandering about in the early mornings with a tinnie in hand.

Winkler

Posts: 524

#9 25 Oct 2021 at 7.16pm

In reply to Post #8
Hope this is ok, I just copied and pasted from Bob Elliss's update on the situation; this the first of 3 I believe that set's out the dispute. I do not know any parties involved (except Bob Morris by name only and since I first started angling late 70's) so am only passing on info as requested concerning this dispute. I can add the subsequent posts from BM if asked also..

Hi, I would like to thank everyone for your comments. I have handed a copy of these to Bob. He has asked me to post this reply on his behalf.
Bob’s response.
Although I had decided not to come on here and get involved in discussion, the overwhelming response to Mr Elliss’s post concerning my 3 year dispute with the club D.D.A.P.S. over access to the lake at the bottom of my garden, which I have used for the past 30 years (without complaint) demanded a reply. I am really stunned by the volume of support and kind words that I have received on this page. And also via email and even snail mail. I would like to thank everyone (including Mr Elliss) for this, and feel almost humbled by it, if that is the right word.
I really have no wish to hurt the club, or drag their name further through the dirt, as they seem extremely capable of doing that for themselves. But I would like just to say a few words about the current situation. You have heard from my good friend Paul Jones who accompanied me to a meeting with the club recently, and when I say the club it was in the form of Robin Monday and Clive Archer. And for anyone who does not know, they are Chairman and Vice Chairman. The idea of this was to discuss the problem, and hopefully see a way through to some form of compromise, as had been suggested by both my solicitor and HMRC Land Registry Office.
With this in mind, I had in my pocket a sheet of paper with a few ideas and suggestions about how we might progress. Unfortunately as Paul has said I was straight away subjected to a blunt ultimatum, with phrases such as ‘our only and final offer’ ‘take it or leave it’ and ‘you were warned’ being used. As there was obviously no chance of a compromise or negotiation taking place, I put it to them that the club was being run by the two of them, and that there was actually no effective committee, secretary, membership secretary, treasurer etc. We were both stunned when they freely admitted that this was indeed the case, and that it was just the pair of them! This was however, what I had suspected all along, and I am sure that it is their inflexible and uncompromising attitude to this issue that has been the problem/stumbling block from the start. As a long-standing committee member of another club, I however appreciate that their contribution to the club may be considerable.
I have this morning received a letter from the clubs solicitors T G Baynes Dartford, which threatens me with immediate court action and expenses if I don’t drop my right of way application. One thing that really made me smile in-spite of all this, is that they refer to their clients as The Dartford and District Angling and TREE Preservation Society, is this really true?
In the spirit of compromise and negotiation, I offered these suggestions to the club, but not as a final demand or threat.
Please could you compensate me for the £3,500. that I have had to spend in legal fees so far.
Please could you drop your opposition to my access onto the lake/bank which I have enjoyed WITHOUT COMPLAINT or problem for 30 years. YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN THERE FOR 6 YEARS.
Please could you return my membership, that I’ve had for 55 years acting as a loyal and supportive participant.
Please could you compensate me for the immense grief and stress, you have caused to myself and my wife over the last 3 years. I have no idea how this could ever be achieved.
I have no real need to pursue a legal right of way, and will indeed be happy to drop it, if you are prepared to come to a sensible agreement with me over this access. My solicitor assures me that this can be done, legally and with protection for both parties.
Finally I would seriously suggest to the whole club membership (at least 3000 of them) the committee or whoever, that with the first AGM coming up soon, that you consider finding yourselves some new blood to elect into the key positions. This will hopefully save the club spending many thousands of pounds (OF THE MEMBERS MONEY) on this ridiculous court case, and other dubious ventures.
Unfortunately I can’t be there at the meeting, AS YOU HAVE THROWN ME OUT OF THE CLUB.
Thank you.
Bob Morris.


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