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In reply to Post #58
They're native to new zealand, but will happily grow in the UK or elsewhere.
But only honey from New Zealand can be sold as manuka honey
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In reply to Post #58
https://tregothnan.co.uk/shop/tea/tea-gifts/tea-bushes/manuka-plant-leptospermum-scoparium-and-care-notes/
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In reply to Post #57
I'm confused. What is a Manuka bush in the U.K. I thought it was a species only living in New Zealand. How have I misunderstood this ?
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In reply to Post #56
It does make me laugh that I can buy honey locally where there are loads of manuka bushes but it can't be sold as manuka
I'm tempted to try the more expensive 'dense' honey he sells at certain times of the year
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In reply to Post #55
i consult for Rowse honey, their manuka honey is stunning
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In reply to Post #54
Man need to try this as i suffer badly, tried with regular honey but it didnt help, I guess there is not much to loose.
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In reply to Post #53
It has totally cleared up my hay fever to mate. I used to suffer quite badly. Not one attack, ever since I started using the Manuka.
The overall wellbeing it brings is incredible. Massively boosted energy levels. People around me, have noticed a big difference in me to.
It's amazing stuff.
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In reply to Post #52
Very interesting Mark, on the human health benefit side I've suffered badly with hay fever which was a Royal pain as I work in the countryside and found the pills upset my digestion and sprays had little effect. A teaspoon of manuka honey in my morning cuppa and again after dinner has helped massively.
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In reply to Post #51
Thank you.
Yes mate. Any type of boiled bait. It will not have the same reaction in a fishmeal, because of the salt content, which will inhibit that. But it has its own very soluble attraction properties, without any reaction anyway.
In a birdfood or nut type bait, it will react.
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In reply to Post #50
lovely fish those!
not sure if i replied earlier in the thread is this something that could be applied to all bait types?
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Earlier in this thread, I mentioned mixing a spoonful of Manuka, with warm water, and applying it to your freezer baits as a soak. To attract them into the general area. I’ve never publicised what I’m about to tell you. The fish below, are just three captures of mine, which involved free bait, soaked in a Manuka/water solution. Ive spoken loads on here before about filling free baits with water and other liquids. Not washing out, washing in. Just enough water to saturate them. Well Manuka is always added to that water.
The top one is from Englefield Lagoon. I caught it on my third ever trip to the lake, in very early spring. To put some context on that, I fished five short sessions that year because of work load. A very, very well respected angler, then full timed it, in the same swim for nearly a whole year, and caught nothing. I caught that fish on an S4 pop up, with five S2 bottom bait barrels in the general area. The barrels had been soaked in that Manuka solution. I’ve also done it with Geoffs chocolate orange to great effect too. It really works well. Try it. In cold water, it’s absolutely deadly.
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In reply to Post #48
If you have it in tea like I do mate, put the milk in first. Putting manuka into standing boiling water is not the one. The milk cools it enough to stop the hot water damaging the active ingredients of the honey.
You will feel like a new man, seriously.
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In reply to Post #47
Equating humans with fish....
Yeah you're right. Some fish would be rightly offended by being compared to some of the humans I've encountered...
I've bought some manuka for myself. Sod the carp
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In reply to Post #43
Who said I was only looking to promote the growth of mould with Manuka honey? I'm not, I am mainly using it for its natural attraction properties. If I was using it for mould growth, clearly cheap sugar would do that. You will not find me piling expensive Manuka into particles to ferment them.
The Manuka I posted on here is £17. Posting a link to some of the raw stuff I've used previously, would make some of you pass out on that basis. I'm glad that I did not. I've been down that path before, and in tests, it made no difference to the effects using the raw stuff, or the supermarket version. That Sainsbury one is a very highly rated Manuka for the money.
Manuka honey is far more than something to promote the growth of mould. I've carried out personal tests and seen a VERY great health benefit from it myself, by replacing sugar in tea with Manuka. But equating humans and fish, upsets some people very badly.
I've posted on here before, every single creature on this planet, bar a few microscopic things in the ocean, have receptors for natural salts and sugars. They are the very bedrock of life on this planet itself. Manuka honey, is the best of the best when it comes to natural sugars.
Top greyhound trainers use Manuka honey on their racing dogs, for its wellbeing and boosted health elements. It's a legal way, of actually making a greyhound able to run faster I'm told on the sly. A natural performance enhancing drug as such. Manuka honey has by far, the very highest antibacterial properties of any honey in the world. It will cure kennel cough in dogs, in the same way it will heal upper respiratory infections in humans lungs. Normal honey cannot do these things. Do some research on its health benefits for a very wide range of animals.
If you want the raw unadulterated stuff that's not mega expensive, look here.
https://www.manukahoneydirect.co.uk/product-category/raw-manuka-honey/
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Have we decided what honey is best yet........ 
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In reply to Post #1
rolling my own basic mix and bait because i got bored and annoyed with the cost im trying to look for additives which dont cost the earth
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In reply to Post #43
Maybe Mother Nature prefers a certain purer, or unrefined type of honey or sugar/s to turn more quickly than others ?
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I can't see why replacing the honey with much cheaper sugars such as glucose would make any difference? Both would promote the growth of moulds which are in turn delivering the benefit we are looking for.
Am I wrong?
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I bought this in Aldi yesterday after reading this thread
manuka honey
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In reply to Post #12
I was lobbying Sam of theCC podcast to get you on and from what he said, I wasn’t alone. He & Pete seem good lads, no agenda, just curious carpers like the majority on here 👍
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In reply to Post #35
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/Product/sainsburys-manuka-runny-honey-227g
There you go, £5 a jar. It's NPA 5+ Manuka, instead of 10+ like the £17 jar I posted earlier. And it is blended 50/50 with runny honey. It's still classed as bioactive like the other one.
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In reply to Post #35
a wise decision on here 
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Most anglers don't want to spend too much on fancy additives, bait is already expensive enough before you tweak it. I think it's healthy to talk about what may be the best additive to use but equally many are looking for the cheapest option that will be a close second.
As a 40 year experienced PhD chemist, I enjoy the scientific points made but I'll keep out of those discussions.
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In reply to Post #32
You have to play the video below, whilst singing along Mark 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSWI3tMg0Wk
Every carper wants to be famous
None of em wants to be nameless, aimless
Carpers act shameless, tryna live like entertainers
Want a fat Tempest with the acres
So they spend money that they ain't made yet
Got an RT4 on tik that they ain't paid yet
Spend their dole cheque in Angling Direct on the weekend
Got no money by the end of the weekend
But they don't care 'cause their life is a Korda movie
Starring Delkims, paid for by yours truly
Truthfully, it's a joke, like a bad episode of Hollyoaks
Can't keep up with the cover notes
So they got bad credit, livin' on pot noodles in debt
They still don't get it
'Cause they too busy livin' the high life, the carp life
Huggin' their Vass when livin' it large and they all say......
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In reply to Post #28
Too true. If you want it straight from the horse's mouth try having a chat with Geoff Bowers. Straight from the hip no punches pulled. He doesn't do podcasts. He doesn't advertise. He just sells good bait without ripping people off. Jealousy is a green eyes monster and some people don't like others doing well. The pictures tell the story. Enough said.
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In reply to Post #29
i wish all i did was read 9 pm's over this
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I wonder if Issac Walton got as much flack when he was fishing for carp with wool soaked in honey in 1610  
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All I did in the maize thread was try to help a few of you. Something which has been going on for three years now with these same blokes, caught up with that thread. Then... Despite what has been said over the past few days... I tried to help someone on this thread Chris, after I was directly named twice by others. For these same blokes/bloke to come again on this thread, so soon, pulling exactly the same stunt. It's very boring for me, just as it is very boring for all of you, trust me. I don't have the time to sit on here for 12 hours straight like these trolls are today and yesterday. I don't need to bring any friends here, that's embarrassing. Tony (Bradders) is a lovely man it would seem, but I don't know him from Adam literally, he's not even a customer. He's just someone who can see what's happening. Same as lots of others who have messaged our work phone.
My beautiful missus asked me today... "Why the glum face, when you just won so much money"... That really made me think too.
This is really pointless, it's also never going to stop or go away. Even if they were banned, they would be back on another username. As much as I love talking to you lot, I honestly don't have the time or the inclination to deal with these people.
I just answered 9 PM's. This is a quote from one of them...."Doing ok using the s2 over last 3 years beat my PB every year including this year to 46lb 14oz!".
That is why I like coming here. That's happy... But it's also why these people hate me so much ultimately, and that will never change. Oh well, that's life.
Grande amor para todos vocês, cuidem de vocês. Boa sorte, e que a carpa que todos vocês apanhem seja gigantes... That is what I wrote below. It means.... 'Big love to you all, take care of yourselves. Good luck, and may the carp you all catch be giants.'
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In reply to Post #27
I had a falling out with Mark a long, long, time ago over something really silly BUT I can’t believe how people will basically slate what obviously work in his baits - and for many, many years - just because he MAY have the theoretical chemistry wrong. Who gives a toss - it actually works! I know what I believe when following Marks directions with my own eyes, rather than someone telling me it theoretically wont work.
Like Prem used to say, if he’s wrong, show us your albums…….
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In reply to Post #24
I follow all the bait threads in the hope of learning a small nugget of new information every now and then. However, when they degenerate into, childish bickering it's both frustrating and a complete waste of time and energy.
There's a wealth of experience and knowledge on this forum. However when it comes to bait, a lot of it is down to personal experience and captures. The science helps, but will never be a gaurantee of results, as there are just too many variables, In the real world scenario our quarry live in.
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In reply to Post #1
A bit off topic but having recently got some bees, and reading up on all things bees and honey most of the manuka honey imported is more than likely fake. Also a lot of the honey imported from outside of the EU i.e. China is actually just sugar syrup, if you go on Alibaba you can buy sugar substitute that is advertised is being able to pass all tests.
According to New Zealand's leading manuka association, 1,800 tonnes a year of the honey are now consumed in the UK each year, out of an estimated 10,000 tonnes globally. Yet production of the genuine stuff is set at just 1,700 tonnes.
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In reply to Post #24
indeed mate,
last warning to all those involved be it directly or jumping on threads to create an argument. im getting seriously fed up with it now, its degrading the forum
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In reply to Post #22
Hi All
"I swear i'll be banning some people soon"
Well that's great......
Can everyone involved in all this sh@t just grow up.
You're all grown up knowledgable people and any of you getting banned benefits neither myself nor the other 1000s of members who are interested in learning from you guys
Too many threads getting locked or deleted because of this is already a loss to the forum
There really is no need for any of it and it benefits no one!!
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #21
i swear i'll be banning some people soon
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In reply to Post #14
There really wasn't much testing involved, the fermented concoction I make with it was for my consumption, but it turned out the carp liked it too. With fresh honey and fresh ingredients the concoction Is ready in a couple of weeks, shop bought raw honey took about 5 - 6weeks the manuka I used took even longer. I didn't like the taste as much with the manuka so most of that went in bait, and I didn't notice any difference when it ran out
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In reply to Post #13
Your spot on there regarding the constituents that have the potential to attract carp and raw honey straight from the hive is best.
Processing of the honey for large scale commercial supply , no matter how slight, always has the potential to reduce the effectiveness of the enzymes, etc.,
The free amino acids range will vary depending on where the bees are collecting pollen from so if you are using it from a specific area you will get consistency of results.
We compared the analysis of over 30 Spanish honeys with the manuka honey , the content was similar in terms of simple sugars, enzymes and free amino acids ( although there was a slight difference in range amongst all the honeys) and some beneficial bacteria strains were also present. As smurf said the big selling point with manuka is the relatively high content of certain antibacterials and its characteristic taste.
Taking into account the high price differential, and some comparative testing we carried out, there is nothing really that I can see that would give any great advantage over raw unpasteurised honey straight from the hive in terms of a fishing bait used for carp,
I realise that others will have a different view ; but at the end of the day it’s a personal choice and carrying out some trials as you did would be the way to go.
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In reply to Post #11
It's the yeast, enzyme and beneficial bacteria aspect I use it for, so for me it made sense to get it straight from the hive so to speak
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Just bite your lip Mark, just bite your lip and smile profusely.
No offence intended to anyone at all. But I have twenty plus years of study about Manuka honey. So what was said on some podcast five minutes ago, or from a quick Google search, is almost offensive to me personally.
For nine years the S2 (Sugars2) has been commercially available for sale. It's actually been in existence for twenty years plus. No one, no one at all knows what is in there and why it's in there... Or what is done to it before it goes in there, or whilst it's in there, except us. That information is actually worth a lot of money funnily enough.
The first time, that anyone actually found out anything we were using whatsoever, was when we released the garlic three years ago, and I put some of the ingredients of the GPB1 on our website. For the previous 6 years, the Sugars2 had caught a few big UK carp... I'm humbled, but not in the slightest bit surprised, that people have been mentioning Manuka honey a little bit since. Bait brains will want to know why lakes get dominated by our hook baits. Why big carp get caught on them again and again and again.
I would undoubtably, if the situation was reversed, and I'm really, really stupid.
Is Manuka honey the be all and end all? No not at all in the slightest. Is it capable of stopping cancer cells from growing, yes it is. Is it capable of killing the bubonic plague? Yes it actually is. It's incredible stuff from mother nature. It was not actually created by mother nature for human beings either
I got asked to do a podcast recently, I also got asked to write a book, twice in the past 12 months. I was very flattered on all occasions.
Anyway, it's better I just shut up now.
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In reply to Post #9
Manuka honey contains methylglyoxal which other honey does not have. This has anti-bacterial properties hence it can be good for humans. Does that help carp? I suspect not really but never found a study about it. JB may have said he uses it in a recent pod cast but also admitted that's because he likes the taste not for any other reason!
A good quality local honey will add the same basic sugars.
Buy local and leave the expense stuff from the other side of the world for when it's really needed i.e. to make medical grade honey for wound treatment.
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In reply to Post #6
JB talks about it in the CarpChronicles Podcast @ 2hrs 22mins in 
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In reply to Post #7
Do you think the manuka is better than using fresh honey direct from a local beekeeper?
For what I use it for I find the local stuff better, but decent raw, fresh manuka is expensive so I didn't try it for long
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In reply to Post #7
Thanks Mark , appreciate that , 👍👍👍👍
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You can spend over £200 on a 700 rated Manuka if you wish. I use this stuff from Sainsbury’s. It does the job needed. Dissolve some in your mix with the liquids/eggs when you roll your bait. Then when they are dried after boiling… Mix a tablespoon of this, with enough warm water to dissolve it. Pour it over the finished boiled bait in a bucket. When it’s all soaked up dry it again and freeze it.
When you take it out the freezer… Let it sweat in a bag for a day or two until the bait starts to go sticky. It will spore up quite quickly depending on your mix, a white crystallised fungi will develop rapidly on the outside of the bait if you leave it, again depending on your mix and what else is in there.
Natures medicene.
https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/sainsburys-manuka-honey-10-340g?
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In reply to Post #5
Was it the korda one ?
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Didn't John Baker mention it in a podcast he did?
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Has been mentioned in the last couple of weeks on here in another thread, also see Specialized Hookbaits S2 (heavily honeyed) 👍
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In reply to Post #1
Mark (TCarper) uses that for his GPB1 baits so may be worth asking him........
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In reply to Post #1
Hi Chris,
You'll probably have to call them and check this.
I was told years ago that the main sweetener in Haith's nectarblend was Manuka honey, I know it also works well as a basemix as I've used it before.
Best
Jon
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Hi, hearing good things about this honey , google shows though there are quite a few types with varying prices as well , any recommends on a worthwhile make ? Thankyou 👍
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