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Defiant.one

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#99 14 May 2021 at 9.07am

I read through threads related to the Otter problem and I get the impression people seem to think it’s just “Carp” that get massacred – it’s not the case.
Once they find an easy, assessable food source they will exploit and kill that food source until it’s not worth burning calories chasing down the few prey that remain.

I’ve witnessed a water get all their stock massacred in just a few weeks – Carp first, then the Pike, Bream, Tench, until just a few small Perch and Roach were left. How do I know- well it was drained down and netted by the EA.

I’ve got as cracking video I was sent just last week – showing 3-4 Otters marauding peoples gardens looking for Garden Ponds in the middle of a housing estate in the middle of Leyland!!! Trying to get past the Steel Weld Mesh cover over a Pond.

I have it on Whatapp,but I’ve no idea how to post it, as it does put things into perspective of how the modern Otter population is so oblivious to humans and dogs.

~ If anyone can post it , I pass it on.

cyprymike

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#98 13 May 2021 at 7.29pm

I fish up their on a lake very close too meadow etc. We have found otter tracks coming from the river and up on to meadow. It/They have been seen numerous times and don’t appear to be scared of humans at all which is quite concerning. Luckily we haven’t found any corpses yet but all the anglers are concerned about what is left in the lakes. No one will know until we get some warmer weather and they spawn.

To my mind this is proper fishing with natural stocks and you know what you are signing up for. No built swims and a natural environment. I love it !!

TeeCee

Posts: 2009

#97 13 May 2021 at 6.57pm

In reply to Post #96
The thing about being healthier than ever came from Gary, due I guess to him putting a load of *his* fish in there not so long ago, how many are left is anyone's guess, could have a large proportion of them rocked up in the reserve behind Fen for what anyone knows or otter food, though his pasties do get caught. Keep your wig on, jeez.

Halfcentury

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#96 13 May 2021 at 6.45pm

In reply to Post #95
Forgive me for shouting but if the stocks in Fen Drayton are healthier than they have ever been. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WITTERING ON ABOUT!!!.
I have learned there are a handful of OTTER, DANGER, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, end of the world otter obsessives on the forum who live in the same irrational world as Orange Donald.

TeeCee

Posts: 2009

#95 13 May 2021 at 6.25pm

In reply to Post #94
You'll get various different ideas of what's in Fen, ranging from anywhere between 50 to 100. Essentially 20 fish of what's in there turn up and get caught and that's it...the same old fish. Gary has put some of his fish in there that blokes don't count [Moids Jimbo?] plus 6 from the reserves.

Fish like the Zebra common never got caught and was massive, like massive!

Word has it that as of right now, Fen has the most fish in there that it ever has had compared to past year's.

As to where I'm fishing? Never you mind.

Halfcentury

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#94 13 May 2021 at 5.51pm

In reply to Post #92
No point in trying to answer your first 2 paragraphs. Just childish, petulant rants. So let's go to para 3.

Fen Drayton, are you a member/permit holder? Do you fish it? I ask because you don't seem to know anything about it. I am not a member and have never set foot on the place, but I have taken the time to go to the Web site.Bernard Hunt and Gary Bayes are perfectly clear and honest about the fishery. Part of a large RSPB/nature reserve open to the public. Stock unknown but believed to be very low, possibly 100 fish, some lost and some gained in annual floods with some very big fish. Lots of good quality coarse species to record proportions. A low level of year on year stocking has (5 fish as I understand it) been agreed with the RSPB. No mention of otter predation.

In a big wild lakes like that predation will happen, its supposed to. More than 1 or 2 fish I should think. This is carp fishing as it should be and the carp had better be able to survive just like the roach, tench, bream and pike. Wish I could fish it but its too far away. And finally, its not otters that are unnatural its carp in modern carp fisheries that are unnatural. And no, I do not despise them, I just recognise them for what they are.
You will have to work hard for your fish on Fen Drayton. A handful a year, yes please.

noj

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#93 13 May 2021 at 5.19pm

In reply to Post #92
Carp fishing is less natural than a British otter. Modern carp aren’t native so have all been stocked at some point, or bred from stock. What is the point a stock fish becomes kosher?

TeeCee

Posts: 2009

#92 13 May 2021 at 4.32pm

In reply to Post #91
So going by that logic, what if in the middle of the night, some goon decided to legally re-wild and release bears into your local woods, your wife or husband had their face ripped off, you cool with that, coz after all, it's the nature, and everything dies don't you know, ami right?

F..k otters. If I never see an alive one in England again, I'll be a happy chap. I've no problem with them living in the outer Hebrides munching muscles, kelp and whst-not, it's when they are in England eating fish down here, yeah, I've got a problem with that.

Let's take Fen Drayton for instance, other than what Gary has put in, it's reckoned to hold around 50 fish, of those 50 only 20 ever get caught. Lets say 2 get eaten a year, you do the maths. Ain't gonna take long until it will be one to check off the list. So what do you do? You end up fishing a muddy hole in the ground, paying rake loads for the privilege, everything that I'm sure you despise, meaning--> commercial fishery. It won't take that long until the small clubs that can fence their waters off to these f..king things will start jacking their prices up or just cash in after having the realisation that they can make a bucket load as a *syndicate* as there are so many people unable to fish places like Fen, coz like, what's the point - using Fen as an example, there are many cheap public access waters around the country - they end up with waiting lists as long as your arm.

I accept that everything is in a constant state of flux, change is inevitable, this otter business isn't a natural phenomena, quite the opposite, it's been forced on us and the wider public without any debate.

Halfcentury

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#91 13 May 2021 at 3.29pm

In reply to Post #87
I don't think I need to. The website and reports from a regular angler who is on site every week is enough. Five times that many fish on a site that big, over 2 years is nothing.

Predators rip the faces off their prey and spill their guts and eat them alive, its what they have been doing for hundreds of millions of years. Why should it bother me. I could kill, pluck, skin, draw and truss rabbits, hares, wildfowl and poultry by the time I was 10. I reckon I could still skin a rabbit in under a minute I've done that many.

Put a fox in a pen of lambs or a poultry house and it will cause carnage. Put an otter in a lake grossly overstocked with fat, slow, oversized and over fed carp and the same will happen.

It seems we want intensively farmed and managed commercial fisheries and syndicates so it is our responsibility to fence and protect them. This is not a wild environment.
Much of modern carp fishing lost its link to the natural environment decades ago, and carp fisheries are increasingly fished by similarly disconnected people. Sad but true

1-Toner

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#90 13 May 2021 at 1.32pm

In reply to Post #89
Dunno it’s a big place and only really been reach/meadow/shallow side. Don’t hear of much being found and people talk

TeeCee

Posts: 2009

#89 13 May 2021 at 1.21pm

In reply to Post #88
Is that on the entire complex?

1-Toner

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#88 13 May 2021 at 11.50am

In reply to Post #87
3 this year. That’s it. nothing as far as I know last season. Saw them but they aren’t doing as much damage as you would think touch wood. not found or seen any victims on longreach and I’m here every week..

TeeCee

Posts: 2009

#87 13 May 2021 at 11.19am

In reply to Post #84
Why don't you phone Gordy up and ask him about the numbers? At least you'll get the info from the horse's mouth so to.spesk 👍

yonny

Posts: 7641

#86 13 May 2021 at 10.57am

In reply to Post #85
It is merely a continuation of the theme employed by those that started this whole game. We may not like it but lets face it, one generation creates the scene that the next take part in. Its very easy to blame the youth of today but they can't help when they were born.
Totally off topic, apologies.

Halfcentury

Posts: 1284

#85 13 May 2021 at 10.46am

In reply to Post #83
Certainly there have been some famous fish but I wouldn't describe the naming of fish as "part of the very fabric" of carp angling. A handful of large famous fish is one thing, every lake having a list of names, A teams, B teams and all the rest of the trivial sub culture that modern carping seems to encourage is to me a negative and devalues the "very fabric" of coarse angling.


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