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Just to add another dimension
Fished a murky runs water recently , everyone had bright hookbaits
I chose to fish one rod with a dark hookbait with 3 pva baits slid down the hook link
This rod out fished my other by 8 to 1
Both rods basically in the same spot
If I sold hookbaits I would only sell white, yellow and orange
Because that’s what people want and would feel confident in
I try to make my own in the hope I’ll find something that’ll catch more , I’m still trying 😂
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#36 23 Apr 2021 at 7.04am | | | |
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In reply to Post #35
That is why it is so important that a pop up is made from the correct materials. If it’s rock hard bone dry and made with nothing good on the inside it’s only a visual attractor. A good pop up needs to let attractors out
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#35 22 Apr 2021 at 10.19pm | | | |
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Definitely agree that buoyancy is important if you need to fish somewhere you can’t be on the deck. Also agree that colour, or maybe contrast against the surrounding area is also a big deal.
There was an interesting guy on one of the podcasts the other day who believes that the attraction in a bait only really gets spread around when it’s eaten, chewed up and bits are pushed out of the gills in the filtering process. This makes a lot more sense to me than small percentages of something in a hard boiled ball designed not to break up easily drawing fish in from metres away.
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#34 22 Apr 2021 at 8.09pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #33
 I am enjoying this thread very much
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#33 22 Apr 2021 at 8.07pm | | | |
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Oh yes mate
I dare say that even British records have been claimed on company Xs bait but in reality it was a maggot! 😂
Have you noticed how many sponsored anglers are always using maggot tipped baits and piling in monster particles 😉 it just shows a lack of confidence in the baits they are made to use. I could tell many many stories of exactly what you mention but it is of no use to any of us. What I don’t understand is why they shouldn’t just say the truth “this one fell for a tigernut”.
I saw a large carp a few weeks back landed on a pop up that a friend of mine helped unhook and actually saw the worm hanging from its lip!
Wish I had a worm growing business 😂
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#32 22 Apr 2021 at 7.51pm | | | |
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Keeperboy, I enjoy your thought provoking posts, I am very much on your wave length here.
Think people have misunderstood what I meant, which was that many names, or normal anglers claim to have caught big Fish over lots, often kilos, of the latest wonder bait FREEBIES, say like mainline Cell, sticky Krill, etc, but, and this is a big BUT, and keeperboy you will know this is going on big time, the actually bait on the hook is totally different to the bait that they 'claim' to have caught it on, very often a special hookbait by a non sponsor company, or a tiger nut, LOL.
I believe and understands the only way to really test a hookbait is to fish it, like you do.. spend a lot of time fishing over zero or very little bait in the real world.
I believe in the elevated natural attractor/food value line of thought in pop up baits, but like most I have caught on low/mid/high nutritional baits over decades.
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#31 22 Apr 2021 at 7.49pm | | | |
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Danny F, will obviously make his own pop up polaris hookbaits, if he wants, as he is sponsored by mainline. 
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#30 22 Apr 2021 at 7.12pm | | | |
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Scaley If you choose to dismiss the theory then that’s fine as we all have our own views. Me personally, I spend a lot of time fishing over zero or very little bait so I want mine to work on many levels. And it catches me enough to fish to realise that you should be using things that offer more than just mulberry flavouring! Push the commercial part to one side, would you leave a piece of sweet corn out for 48 hours at 170 yards on a Cray infested or roach filled lake?
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#29 22 Apr 2021 at 7.08pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #28
I have mingled with many of the “names” trust me, they are not using bulk standard hookbaits off the shelf!
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#27 22 Apr 2021 at 4.37pm | | | |
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How many straight talking successful anglers catching history fish do you hear putting it down to powders/oils/liquids in a hookbait?
NONE, to Not many, and those anglers would probably have caught them, using anything, as they were doing good angling, but as they are sponsored by bait companies, piling in loads of standard bottom baits and those are the best bait they have ever used to date, until the next new bait 
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#26 22 Apr 2021 at 1.43pm | | | |
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I agree to an extent. If you get the angling situation right the hookbait attractors becomes largely irrelevant imo. That doesn't stop me from using what I think is the best hookbait for the situation though.
Even for singles I think color and buoyancy are just as important as any attractors.
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#25 22 Apr 2021 at 1.11pm | | | |
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How many straight talking successful anglers catching history fish do you hear putting it down to powders/oils/liquids in a hookbait?
Possibly Frank W, but he has built a career on it and we know he loves a good story. Most capture stories follow the same logical process. Watch for them, figure out where they will be, find them, feed them over an extended period, put some bait in front of them at the right time, catch them. By that point whether the ball closest to your hook has Black Pepper Essential oil in is irrelevant, the work you put in leading up to that caught the fish.
It's no doubt a fun and interesting hobby making hookbaits, i do it myself, but I think their actual impact is vastly exaggerated today and that is fed by the hordes of people trying to turn a coin out of it.
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#24 22 Apr 2021 at 9.47am | | | |
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carp just blow my mind. the one thing that always sits in my head, we can spend years developing new baits, testing new mixes and feeling so confident that this new mix will provide all the nutrition and have all these attractors that will make carp feed and up our chances. then you put 6 grains of sweetcorn in the edge and watch carp go mad for it ignoring your bait that youve spent all this time developing .
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#23 22 Apr 2021 at 9.32am | | | |
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In reply to Post #22
Also a big fan of orange bait.
Some literature suggest carps eyesight is the most sensitive for wavelengths in the spectrum correlating with orange colors.
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#22 22 Apr 2021 at 6.32am | | | |
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In reply to Post #20
i struggled for months on my syndicate, tried everything. i found half a pot of sticky peach and pepper pop ups the bright orange ones.
first session put one on and had 3 bites  i dont know if i was just throwing rigs right on their noses or the colour just made them take the rig. i do know orange baits have done well for me ever since.
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