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In reply to Post #78
Agreed, you would think so and you'd hope so but not in this case.
Gross negligence certainly plays a big part in this, whether it was wilful murder is up to the trial.
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In reply to Post #77
Surely the training that police receive is specifically designed to allow officers to have that awareness.
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In reply to Post #76
Easy to say after the event when you can analyse, maybe not so easy when you're in the thick of it.
That's not making excuses by the way, not at all, just saying.
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In reply to Post #75
Trying to get back on track here, so where is the defence case heading? The police officer(s) apparently have to assess so many things going on e.g. threat from the suspect which after he was handcuffed was non existent, adjudged threat from local crowd, well that could have been minimised if they had got off him instead their actions could have created riots there and then and not a few days later if more people had witnessed what was occurring. There was no immediate threat from the dozen or so people on the pavement, the MMA guy could have posed a threat to them but didnīt! Interesting to hear about the different levels of force allowed, but it was clear that a person should not remain in a prone decision after being restrained but should then be turned sideways into a recovery position, that is obvious to anybody with common sense, no need for any special training which apparently all police officers receive! An intriguing if not at times pretty boring court case and I will keep watching it and commenting (without bias) on here and hopefully the thread will be posted on in a repsonsible manner. The trial continues!!!!
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In reply to Post #66
Did this accused officer get a fair hearing when he was fired by Minneapolis PD immediately? Notice the other officers present are still serving. Fair is as fair as you can be in the digital world mate. There's no alternative.
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In reply to Post #73
Hi Mal
"Johnny.... you punched a horse?!?! WTF?"
Yeah, sorry, but in the new woke world I've got to own it apparently.
I'm not proud, but yes it happened.
At twickers, just lost to France and a police horse decided to nuzzle my neck so I punched the ****er
Not my best moment
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #68
Very well put. If Chauvin had done his job better, we'd perhaps all not be talking about the trial of George Floyd for passing on a fake note...
Fishie - absolutely agree with that first point. And much of the rest of your post too. I guess I'd add that there are also many people who see this moment to have a voice heard for the sake of positive change too.
Johnny.... you punched a horse?!?! WTF?
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In reply to Post #71
Quote I read today
"we seem to be getting closer and closer to a situation where nobody is responsible for what they did but we are all responsible for what someone else did"
Todays society 
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Hi All
I'm not a Catholic priest, I've never hit a woman, I was once arrested for punching a police horse. I've never stolen a car, never done a burglary and I've never been jailed. Kiddy fiddler? Nah, granny basher? Nah. Do I care who you pray to? Nah.
So just out of interest can anyone guess my skin colour?
The fact of the matter is it matters not a ****, both sides of the debate will hopefully realise one day only a man's actions define him
And for me...Mr Floyd had defined himself long before the incident
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #66
The only person who knows if this is a racial incident is sitting behind a desk in the court house!
He is not on trial for being a racist but a cop who apparently failed in his duty of care to someone in his custody. It doesn't matter the colour of the dead person it matters that the correct procedures and whether human kindness were neglected, forgotten or disregarded.
Murder - no, Negligent manslaughter - yes, without the full hearing of evidence.
But thats not the issue here for MSM, activists , community leaders and politicians all vying to improve their kudos, remain in spotlight, fame and money. They ride on the back of these incidents and to be quite honest don't give 2 ****s about racism, oppression or people. Before this incident I bet they wouldn't even give GF loose change for a cup of coffee if he begged them and i bet the suit GF lawyer is wearing was worth more than GF's worldly belongings.
The next outcome of the result of the trial will be what make of trainers or handbag can i get for myself or whether i can play at being an anarchist but still go home for my breakfast!
Everyone wins in this situation except GF, honest law abiding moral people and justice.
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In reply to Post #67
Well you asked where to find it did you not, suggesting you hadnt seen it and werent aware of it
And can you explain how the initial footage shows it was racist? Which is what everyone was losing their mind over. Im sure this stuff happens all the time out there, with various races being both victim and suspect. But you dont hear about those because the media dont tell you about them.
The media revels in division, and if you cant see that the media do nothing to prevent it, then you need to open your eyes to the wider world
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In reply to Post #66
I'm just going to make a final point here. Fair trial? For the cop whose actions were directly responsible for a man's death? He gets a better shot at justice than George Floyd ever will...... and if you can't see the huge paradox in that statement, l can't help you.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's acquitted of all charges....l mean Rodney King did a helluva job assaulting those batons with his head and body.
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In reply to Post #64
Your judgement of my knowledge of the case, of me being unaware of the chauvin body cam footage. . .
With regard to the incident and race, it will be looked at indivually by a jury. The wider context in terms of race and public interest cannot be ignored.
You make the claim that the footage disproves racism. It doesn't disprove it at all. Unless you care to explain how you see that it does of course?
And again, as I've said, he's not on trial for being racist.
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In reply to Post #65
Also, please link these facts about disproportionate killings of black people by the police if you wouldnt mind. Nothing like data to support an argument
And no one is saying its not appalling. It was wrong. But back to my original pount. It wont be a fair trial. Wether guilty or not, everyone is entitled to that
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In reply to Post #63
Who said racism doesnt exist? Im meary saying that we cant just someones actions based on limited facts. You can have an opinion, but to say its definitely a racist incident is obsurd.
I take an objective biew on everything, i dont jump to conclusions based on media and social media input. I dont jump on band wagons.
And i said effectively calling someone a racist, which you below comment is doing
And l guess you don't really want to know either because then you would have to acknowledge that you're probably racist too.
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NON Carp stuff