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 #43 20 Jan 2022 at 8.21pm | |  |   |
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In reply to Post #41
I get what you’re saying as the original blow back used a big ring that was designed to travel over the eye of hook , I think the term ‘blowback rig’ is more widely used for the latter more modern smaller ringed rig of today , obviously it has been tweaked .
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#42 20 Jan 2022 at 8.15pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #39
What he said 
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#41 15 Dec 2021 at 5.46pm | |  2 | |
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In reply to Post #39
This is why it isn't a blowback rig.
It's a blow back-and-forth rig.
Resetting completely defeats the whole reason this rig was invented.
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#40 15 Dec 2021 at 5.44pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #37
I'd doubt it - there's still plenty of momentum on the hooklink \ bait.
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#38 10 Dec 2021 at 11.53am | | | |
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In reply to Post #37
Sorry but that's nonsense
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#37 10 Dec 2021 at 9.29am | | | |
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In reply to Post #34
All great until the lead hits the deck, which will in turn propel the lighter hookbait towards the lead potentially leaving the ring round the eye. You understand that?
I get interpretations of the definition of blowback rig are different.
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#36 9 Dec 2021 at 10.53pm | | | |
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For those interested in the ring vs silicon debate I would recommend Carp Cast 66 with Roger Bacon and Kevin Nash.
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In reply to Post #34
To my mind using silicone makes it a claw rig which is fine for a bottom bait. I use a ring and generally with a balanced snowman or a wafter. . I do use foam especially with a longer hair. I'm confident this resets and I usually use a combi rig if the substrate is appropriate.
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In reply to Post #33
No because your lead will be dragging the whole lot down and the hookbait acting like a parachute keeping everything where it should be. A true blowback rig has a ring . The silicone restricts movement. It's not a blowback rig with silicone
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In reply to Post #32
The ring won't sit by the eye on a cast at all - correct.
It might do when it hits the lake bed though, because it has that movement - which is where it matters.
You can be safe in your knowledge the silicon wont move on the cast or when it hits the bottom
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In reply to Post #31
The ring won't sit by the eye on a cast at all. I use a ring for a blowback rig and never had the tangles some say happen . Silicone doesn't make it a blowback rig imo
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#31 9 Dec 2021 at 12.55pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #30
I dont understand how a ring is going to reset all the time? It can reset but, would it as often as people think, even on a cast there is nothing to stop the ring sitting by the eye.
Tubing all the way for me and one of the 2 main rigs I use.
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I dont understand a blowback rig that resets. Surely this isn't a blowback rig?
The ring should go over the eye of the hook and not be able to return, or second best be silicone that doesn't return when sucked.
The whole point is that when *****ed, if the fish sucks the bait, the hair is no longer at an angle that it can be used to pull the hook point out. If the ring is over the eye of the hook, when sucked, it will turn the hook point inwards more.
What people are describing as resetting isn't a blowback rig, it's just a rig with a supported hair.
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In reply to Post #28
With the ring on the shank not tethered by the hair; do you not worry that the bait is more likely to land on the wrong side of the hook? Or too far up towards the eye?
I have used both rings and silicon to fix the hair. In my head the preference is a knotless knotted hair tied ti a ring on the shank in the standard way. I like to try and get the ring as far down the hook as I can without it being able to come all the way round and off the point of the hook.
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#28 8 Dec 2021 at 12.41pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #27
Some very bold claims there Citykoi. I can absolutely guarantee you that fish are picking you up and getting away with it, and far more regularly than you’d think. A running lead and tight line won’t make any difference to them blowing the hookbait out... most of the time the rigs been in and back out well before the lead set up plays any part.
In reply to Post #25
Maybe but the lead doesn't come into with a running setup. Any movement in line will register especially with a stiffer hook link setup.. Which is why i said generally any bleep I get is a bite , bobbin pulls tight and away you go.
I think you are talking about slightly different scenarios. A run ring, 'running lead' on a tight line will behave differently to a running lead fished on a slack line.
The run ring fished tight is more of a bolt rig, and is now often 'sussed', where a true running setup with a slack line and run ring is a true running lead setup.
The two are not the same.
With a running lead and slack line the carp can't use the weight of the lead to eject the bait, the line will pull through the run ring. Whereas with the tight line there is no movement, other than the length of the hooklink, and the fish can eject the bait and hook.
Stiffer hooklinks on a running setup (with a loop knot or ring swivel) may only have the radius of the hooklink to move, there is no 'backwards' movement, towards the angler, but line can still be taken. As such you might get ejection of the hook. I think a more supplement hooklink could be beneficial.
Back to the hook ring vs tubing, the hook ring provides additional free movement, the tubing is slightly 'sticky'.
I don't fix the ring to the hooklink (knotless knot) tag or hair, my hook ring is free running up and down the shank with a stop bead like a Ronnie, or 360, which I think resets better.
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#27 8 Dec 2021 at 11.46am | | | |
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In reply to Post #25
Maybe but the lead doesn't come into with a running setup. Any movement in line will register especially with a stiffer hook link setup.. Which is why i said generally any bleep I get is a bite , bobbin pulls tight and away you go. Of course I am no Terry hearn so what the hell do I know 
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In reply to Post #1
Depends on the angling situation, like most things!
Sometimes I want a point heavy bottom bait rig and silicone is perfect for this in my opinion.
I tend to fish Chod variations, mono d rigs or claw rigs most of the time, or a slip d is I feel significant bait separation is needed. with the occasional german so I don't really have a blowback rig I use regularly.
I think silicone can tell you if you've been done, but once done your hook mechanics aren't reliably predictable, where as with a rig ring it resets more.
I've known people to use shrink tube as well, not sure if it makes a different
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#25 7 Dec 2021 at 11.12pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #22
I’d say a ring offers a lot more movement. With silicone the hook can’t drop as easily imo. Definitely agree on the ring wrapping the hair up more often… wound in 3 exactly like this after a blank night on fish a few weeks ago. Since moved to slip D’s and it seems to have helped.
Some very bold claims there Citykoi. I can absolutely guarantee you that fish are picking you up and getting away with it, and far more regularly than you’d think. A running lead and tight line won’t make any difference to them blowing the hookbait out... most of the time the rigs been in and back out well before the lead set up plays any part.
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Well I thought I’d add a post as I made the thread, been using the silicone blowback all year and it’s been brilliant, fishing either a boilie straight out the bag or tigers, dropped 1 fish from 22 takes, never tangles and I can’t fault it in any way, the hookholds are mega too. I used to use it years ago but favoured pop ups for a few years but I’ve caught some better fish this season fishing baits straight out the bag in the silt 👍 my mate uses the ring version but it just looks like a tangle waiting to happen to me, but he catches loads so I guess just find what’s best for you 🙂
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In reply to Post #1
Silicon all day long, I'm not even sure silicon even moves if I fish picks up and blows it out! my bet it doesn't, so you could say its a resetting rig. However the ring option is very tangle prone, and what makes it resetting? id say there is a much better chance the hair could get wrapped around hook or similar when blown out. I've never EVER reeled in and my silicon has moved, only when the fish is landed does the silicon end up towards the eye. Blowback rig over hyped IMO, thinking too much. That said I do use tightish lines and running rigs and so the fish do not get the chance to blow the hook bait out, the rig( stiff combi rig, long kicker like the noodle) I use flips and nails em straight away. Of course other lead arrangements could be a different story...
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In reply to Post #20
See post #8, i have added a picture.
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#20 6 Dec 2021 at 11.33pm | | | |
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Hi All, my first post as I wanted some opinions on a rig I'm using currently. This thread is about the ring vs silicone option and I found pros and cons with both,
I wanted something free to run along the shank like the rig ring but found this was prone to hair tangles and for my confidence would always require some form of pva tape or stick to trap the hair. I've had some hair tangles after winding in as well despite using pva.
The way I have mine setup is a stiff coated braid, about half an inch stripped at hook. Then I've simply used a hook flexi swivel and hook bead as with a german rig or ronnie rig. The downside I can see is there's not as much separation as with a hair but it means I can cast and recast with no risk of ever causing a tangle. Any opinions on this would be very welcome, I used this kind of thing with particles and never dropped a fish, but now I've upped hook size and using with boilies for 30s and 40s
thanks all
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In reply to Post #1
I always use silicone if I'm not expecting a bite, so on tough waters. I really want to know if I've been done on the spot, bait and rig I'm using. I'd go for something more resetting on a D if I expect to catch.
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In reply to Post #17
Yes, that's what I was saying.
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In reply to Post #14
That's why people use a ring that will re-set. You're going to get done at some time. I'd rather have a rig that will re-set and always be fishing. That is assuming you don't have alarms set on max sensitivity and reel in every time you get a single bleep
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In reply to Post #15
I would hazard a guess our rigs are sat far from perfect more often than not within an hour of being cast, even if they landed correctly when cast.
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I use both tbh but one thing I think people don’t think about is how many times with silicone do we get done and the silicone is pushed up the shank but only for another fish to come along and get hooked even tho the silicones moved 
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#14 4 Mar 2021 at 12.23pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #13
And that's because once the ring has gone over the eye it makes the rig innefective,just like it does when using silicone
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#13 4 Mar 2021 at 12.17pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #11
Yes Philip that was the original idea, the ring would slide all the way back over the eye. Trouble these days is people don’t use a large enough ring for that to happen.
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#12 4 Mar 2021 at 12.12pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #11
Silicone lets you know if you've been done, the ring does not.
However for me, the version with the ring is the true 'blow back' rig as it allows the fish to try and eject the bait while the hook remains in place. The ring runs more smoothly on the hook shank than silicone
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#11 4 Mar 2021 at 11.45am | | | |
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Ring
Isn’t the idea of this rig is that if you reel in and the ring has been blown back over the eye then you know you’ve been done
Can’t see how this would work with silicone 
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In reply to Post #8
I use this myself, simple but effective
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In reply to Post #1
. . .silicone . . prefer to know when (and if) I've been done . . Also not sure that the ring always does 're-set' itself - the chance that's its sitting at the eye of the hook after ejection is just as likely IMHO . . .which would make it no different to a silicone rig that had already been blown back . . .not sure either is a big problem as if using wafters it becomes a KD rig of sorts at this stage anyway . . .
Either way these days prefer the 'Ultimate' Rig (Mark Bryant Slip D) as an improved indicator of whether I've been done or not . . .for a more effective 're-set' rig for finnicky fish the DF 'IQ' D rig gives me more confidence than pretty much any other rig . . .
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#8 2 Mar 2021 at 10.58pm | | 2 | |
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In reply to Post #1
I used to use a ring on a blowback rig but have since improvised a new version.
The hookpoint goes through the braid and the braid is held in place on the shank but can slide up to the eye when the fish tries to blow out the rig so it works just like a ring free blowback.
It works perfectly.
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In reply to Post #6
Could that really be classed as a blowback rig? Isn't that movement a big part of the rigs efficiency?
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In reply to Post #5
Moved away from rings and silicone altogether now, a 2-3 turn whipping knot on the shank will do a much better job and only move if absolutely necessary
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In reply to Post #3
I don’t reckon you always know. It’s not 100% and I’d definitely rather have a better chance 2nd or 3rd time round before reeling in in the morning. Also not suggesting a ring resets how it should all the time but more frequently of course.
Stopped using tubing as soon as I’d cottoned onto rings.
Unless stalking then maybe you can see what’s going on. But even then perhaps one fish does you but another one is right next to it coming in for your bait and you don’t wanna take it out.
Tubing is a thing of the past for me personally.
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In reply to Post #1
Ring every time, the silicone not returning to its original position if ejected is a problem for me. We get done more often than we think, no rig nails them every time so I want mine to be as close to how Its meant to be as possible and using tubing means that doesn't happen.
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In reply to Post #2
a nice pro with using silicon is that you DO know you have been done and can tweek the rig.
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In reply to Post #1
I prefer the rig ring as I like to think it resets itself, I worry with Tubing if I get done and don't know about it then it moves up the hook and isn't sat right.
Both have their pros and cons, just my opinion
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Which do you prefer and why ?
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