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When you add it up better off having a week in the carribean or getting on the waiting list of a quality syndicate (assuming you are under 40).
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#125 4 Feb 2021 at 9.16am | | | |
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particles etc are brilliant, but if every man and his dog are using them on a lake, it wont last.
True, Joss, but dont forget that imported seeds are likely to need grinding or they will require a Phytosanitary cert.
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#124 4 Feb 2021 at 8.08am | | | |
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Why? We're a tiny fraction of their tourist business.
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#123 4 Feb 2021 at 4.54am | | | |
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Officialy far less than it should be at least half of it is not declared one way or another I would say.
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#122 3 Feb 2021 at 8.44pm | | | |
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I would be interested to know how much money is spent by visiting carp anglers in France each year.
Petrol\diesel, tolls, snacks and food, cigarettes and booze, lake hire, boat hire, boilies pellet particle and food packages. Then on the way home presents for wife and kids, wine cigs and beer.
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#121 3 Feb 2021 at 2.24pm | | | |
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yep - this is just the tip of the nasty iceberg
very messy - when the Army have to fill out customs declarations forms to transport their equipment to NI (yes that NI that is part of the UK) then you know we're up that famous creek....
my tip is to go old school. that lovely French bread is perfect for carp fishing and it'll be dirt cheap when you get there...
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#120 3 Feb 2021 at 1.45pm | | | |
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It's the same for all industries now we've left the EU, we have to abide by their rules. An engine block cast in Germany, sent to JLR in Birmingham, built and tested then sent to the JLR factory in Slovenia then the Range Rover is bought by someone in London. Same issues, we chose to make it this way and predicted it 
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#119 3 Feb 2021 at 12.58pm | | | |
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So restrictive practice then if the produce is made in the EU and suitable for use there it should not make any difference that it has left the Franco German empire and is now returning 😉
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#118 2 Feb 2021 at 10.06pm | | | |
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Sorry, I was referring to the bigger picture - more about the established brands like Sticky etc. continuing to supply EU markets. I know Korda distribute the Mainline range through their Euro HQ in Limburg, NL. I was told that CC Moore used to have their baits rolled in Holland as it was more cost-effective initially than buying their own kit. I think the bait companies will work out whether it’s a) worth exporting with the additional admin b) making bait for sale in the EU using their own op or an EU rolling co. or c) sacking it altogether like John Lewis did.
‘Never knowingly underrolled’ 🤣
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#117 2 Feb 2021 at 9.21pm | | | |
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Like I’ve said before if you leave some cheap
Bait /maize and maybe some air dried boilies you’ve had for years 1kg in a prominent position and get stopped they might confiscate that and thing they’ve got a result 👍
Plenty of other places in vehicles to hide your bait in
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#116 2 Feb 2021 at 7.24pm | | | |
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Think the only way to be safe is going to be to wait to see what happens. TBH, I CBA with ton's of paperwork to take 20kg boilies across on the tunnel, I would suspect most venues will respond to the problem with their own supplies of branded baits IF it becomes a continuing issue, either that or face confiscation of what you try and sneak in, but you can bet that the French authorities will make an example out of people until no body takes any over.
Post issue edit: I might however stuff a few tubs of decent pop ups in hard to find locations as I'd fancy my chances with that lol.
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#115 2 Feb 2021 at 4.41pm | | | |
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100% yes. After April, you’ll also need those documents for the bait to get into the U.K. in the first place, but a different set (you can’t use the same docs in both directions).
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#114 2 Feb 2021 at 1.30pm | | | |
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That seems to be the case..... It's so complicated I can't be 100% sure!
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#113 2 Feb 2021 at 1.25pm | | | |
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So hypothetically. If you were to order 20kg of boilies from baitology in Holland and had them delivered to UK, would you need paperwork to take them back to EU ?
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#112 2 Feb 2021 at 12.44pm | | | |
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Fair point.... but we're talking about bait for trips here, not general exporting. Which would done by individual order and every single order need the required forms and vetinary certificates. From my understanding, the paperwork is complicated and expensive it will increase the cost of bait so much it makes it cost prohibitive.
These difficulties aren't teething problems either-they are permanent.
It's either pray French Customs don't enforce or buy baits at the lake or from European suppliers, I fear.
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#111 2 Feb 2021 at 11.34am | | | |
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you dont have to manufacture it in eu, you just need to pay extra for papers and vet and other inspections on every single shipment. So it is a matter of getting bigger orders in to make it economical but nobody is gonna do that as 1. nobody knows when borders will be open for people to go fishing and 2. nobody knows if there will really be any big checks while entering eu to even make it worthwhile. It is February and no order opening in sight so there really is no rush for anything as it looks like at the moment. EU anglers can find themselves other baits more easily so no worries there.
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#110 2 Feb 2021 at 11.13am | | | |
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Ok, but that's only one company. What about the likes of CC Moore, DNA, Baitworks and the smaller rolling companies? And while Korda may be able to distribute, there are still the issues of compliance and manufacture of baits. Unless an agreement can be reached (and I think that's unlikely as the current deal didn't legislate for it) it still looks like to sell bait in Europe it would have to be manufactured there.
And I don't think that bait companies have the resources to do that. It would be good if they were able to shed some light on this. I know Jason from DNA baits posts on here sometimes.
And as Jimmy LMDM says, a lot depends on how strict the Douanes are going to be with visiting carp anglers. It may be a non issue, but we won't get to know for a while.
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#109 2 Feb 2021 at 9.58am | | | |
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Korda are the distributors for Mainline. Whilst I don't think it is yet rolled in the EU there is certainly a distribution network in place via Korda.
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#108 2 Feb 2021 at 9.27am | | | |
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I just don't see how British bait companies would have the funds to set up manufacturing plants and establish distribution lines for something so niche. Suspect it would involve a significant outlay of cash for not much ROI. Don't forget that French trips are fairly seasonal and there wouldn't be much demand for bait for about 4 months of the year.......
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#106 2 Feb 2021 at 7.20am | | | |
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As I suspected would be the case; Nashbait had everything in place ready for the new rules well in advance and will continue to export to the EU.
I'm baffled why the other big players weren't set-up ready to go. Perhaps the listing of ingredients on each bag of bait has put some off?
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#105 1 Feb 2021 at 3.26pm | | | |
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I emailed Sticky & BAF about whether they'd still be shipping bait to EU tackle shops / customers AND asked Angling Direct if they'd still be supplying bait (even a tub of pop ups) mail order.
Sticky and BAF were both pausing supply until they'd worked out the admin and cost implications - a lot of new hoops to jump through. And Angling Direct were stopping supply altogether.
A few points:
- Bait is the smallest piece of this jigsaw, most UK food exporters (fish/dairy/meat) having a nightmare.
- Nightmare caused by Boris's deal which is a long way from 'friction free trade' (I own a company that imports UK goods)
- I've lived in NL since 92 and (at the risk of upsetting the locals) - UK bait (Sticky/Baitworks/DNA)is (generally) far better.
- Particles, Frolic, Pellets (Coppens), Boilies - all readily available across EU - no worries for public, club waters & rivers.
- UK owned French commercial venues often have particle bans - unless you buy from owners.
- As has been said, the Dutch sarnie scandal was down to the lack of freight traffic, you'd be unlucky to have 50kg of Atlantic Heat / Cell / S7 / Krill confiscated at Customs.
- Solution would be for CC Moore/Dynamite/Mainline/DNA/Baitworks etc. to set up their own manufacturing plant in EU or let an established company make them under license - ala Heineken is brewed in UK under license.
Hope it helps 
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#104 19 Jan 2021 at 2.40pm | | | |
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fair point mate.
i do like the fact when turning up to said smaller venue that boillies are cleaned out by the crays and poison chats, un like particle where they dont seem quite as keen on particle as opposed to boillies. clean plate an all 
Plus ive never found that particles take on flavours that well...i will admit ive not overly tried as ive always liked particles to not smell of boillies
but we have gone slightly off topic 
stay safe mate
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#103 19 Jan 2021 at 2.30pm | | | |
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Hi Josh
I think the concept is still applicable, if your using say 30kg on a week session on a 20 acre lake (scale it up scale it down) 5kg peach, 5kg chili, 5kg salted caramel, 5 peanut butter mixes etc mixed up you can keep them in one area guessing and testing which doesn't happen with 20kg of cell. They feed and f off on that stuff
It's just a concept that's always worked for me and one the bait companies don't seem to like, the one bait suits all policy and all
Best
Jon
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#102 19 Jan 2021 at 2.09pm | | | |
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certainly no need to apologise mate.
i was referring to smaller lakes, not the huge expanse of waters you refer too.
the lake i fish ...20 odd acres, 100 odd fish 8 anglers, 30 kg particle each, week in week out...i wouldnt fancy it personally.
dont think the carp would benefit much either
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#101 19 Jan 2021 at 2.02pm | | | |
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Hi Josh
Sorry, but I disagree
Totally depends on the size of the water and what you're trying to achieve using particles.
Using 3,4 or even 5 different flavoured particles on large euro waters will keep them interested in certain areas and not feed them off. 200 different flavoured kilos a week on some of the inland seas is far from uncommon and also very productive.
Longevity of the concept boils down to how often the angler is prepared to change the flavour mixes (in my opinion with the seasons)
Best
Jon
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#100 19 Jan 2021 at 12.03pm | | | |
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All well and good but this decision rests with the EU - who the UK are not longer part of.
Good luck to the Angling Trust trying to lobby the EU - I'm sure they'll sit up and pay serious attention - LOL
Honestly - The fall-out from Brexit is and will continue to be a massive sh*tshow. It was never going to be anything else.
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#99 19 Jan 2021 at 9.09am | | | |
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particles etc are brilliant, but if every man and his dog are using them on a lake, it wont last.
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#98 19 Jan 2021 at 9.06am | | | |
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In reply to Post #97
Tigers on the Twente canal Holland was a winner 👍
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#97 18 Jan 2021 at 10.27pm | | | |
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Totally agree. We started using particles and tiger nuts the last couple of trips to France and Italy. The results were far superior to boilies
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#96 18 Jan 2021 at 9.41pm | | | |
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Well it looks as though the Angling Trust have noticed the situation and they are now lobbying the Government for help with a rule change.
https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
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#95 18 Jan 2021 at 8.16pm | | | |
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You will just have to fish abiding the rules at this uncertain time .
No need to try and warrant your reply as your making yourself sound a little silly and paranoid .
It is what it is and everybody is in the same boat I’m afraid .
Shame it’s not 25 years ago when all we would use is maize and lots of it as back then they were not so paranoid on what was supposedly good for the fish .
I would happily go in this climate and get my bait from the super market and would probably outfish those with their super dooper bait .
It’s not anyone’s fault you have been brainwashed over the years the carp scene is very good at it .
Just try and make the best of it .
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#94 18 Jan 2021 at 8.04pm | | | |
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That’s Marco Bottenburgs “Premium” company isn’t it?
Vid
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#93 18 Jan 2021 at 7.31pm | | | |
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I'm not sure why you wouldn't use the lake boilie and the comment re delivery wasn't really for that sort of water anyway. Yep, drive and survive it probably wouldn't be a option but the owner/lessor could make 'arrangements, otherwise it's do your homework and buy en route. There's always a work around.
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#92 18 Jan 2021 at 7.06pm | | | |
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And there lies a potential problem if said lake has there own boilies I can’t see them excepting bait for you and if it’s a drive and survive there might not be facilities available for the bait to be delivered to
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#91 18 Jan 2021 at 6.08pm | | | |
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Thanks for the heads up Winkler, I hadn't seen it
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#90 18 Jan 2021 at 6.03pm | | | |
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There is a new thread for bait companies based in the EU now in the foreign venues section, the Dutch company in your link look pretty good, love the images..
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#89 18 Jan 2021 at 5.24pm | | | |
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Won't help you with the bait you already have but why not see if you can place a order from a French Tackle shop for delivery to the lake, as long as the owners will take it in for you, someone like Pecheur.com
I wonder how you'd stand getting it ordered to the U.K then showing customs the delivery note to prove it came from France in the 1st place.
Get in contact with a European boilie maker for delivery to your lake, you'll have to do a bit of searching about but there's plenty out there, eg.
Dutch Bait Company
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#88 18 Jan 2021 at 10.40am | | | |
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Ffs....another stupid condescending reply thats no use to anyone...its nothing to do with fishery owners or bait suppliers is it!
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#87 18 Jan 2021 at 5.56am | | | |
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offs it is bait not rocket science.. it is really not that hard to make a good, nutritious mix that owners are happy to feed their fish with... reading this, one would think that big uk companies sell their bait with loss because they put so many good things for fish in....
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#86 17 Jan 2021 at 9.51pm | | | |
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Now we are getting there....but...thats only about 3kg....I want more!....and I've only got frozen!
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#85 17 Jan 2021 at 9.05pm | | | |
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Jeez jeans and no belt 
Edit: But I must admit he has got some balls.
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#84 17 Jan 2021 at 8.40pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #80
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#83 17 Jan 2021 at 7.41pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #82
MAY...hopefully
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#82 17 Jan 2021 at 7.39pm | | | |
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When are you going?
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#81 17 Jan 2021 at 7.33pm | | | |
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So order from a European supplier and get it delivered there?
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#80 17 Jan 2021 at 7.31pm | | | |
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There are no 'house' boilies where I am going...there are no "house' anything....the place is owned by a French family that speak very little English.. its right out in the middle of nowhere...it is exclusive and costs a small fortune..and is an 8 hour drive from calais..I booked 2 years ago and already prepared twice thats why I have the bait already....I have been an angler for over 50 years and a carp angler for 35 years plus so i try extra hard to make things perfect for ALL involved ...I want to get there and strike that balance of being happy with my fishing and trying to spend as much time as I can with my wife to have that unforgettable holiday of a lifetime...and not spending loads of time shopping for bait that i may not find apart from a few tins of sweetcorn...thats how some peoples minds work!....I don't want to get there only to find that ALL my bait has been confiscated (even dips oils and hookbaits) and I'm trying to explain to the French owners that I need to borrow a spade so I can dig for worms!...so THIS is how my mind works so don't be boggled...
Oh and thanks for the condescending comment on all carp swim and eat and crap s***......its so good that the books and dvd's have been there for when you've needed them...oh...AND my brain is wired perfectly thanks.
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#79 17 Jan 2021 at 6.46pm | | | |
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When i say rolling, I mean production - they’ll just get it rolled to their recipe abroad, for sale abroad. It happens anyway (pretty sure Marco rolls some uk co’s bait), they use confidentiality clauses, etc - the industrial rollers make their money from the production/packaging. Most ingredients are imported anyway, so no loss of quality - and why should there be? Plenty of decent European bait co’s......
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#78 17 Jan 2021 at 6.39pm | | | |
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And there in lies the problem, the perception UK baits are better, or the fact lies spin lies. We love to say fish love this or that, this bait is the best for this reason but it's all just a way of spinning the bait companies yarns.
Funny thing is when did any British angler look at the qualifications of the bait company owners, phd in aquaculture maybe, yeah, not likely, more the crap sponsored anglers spout and results speak words.
TBH, I'm a bit embarrassed by that fact, I use a bait I have confidence in but do I have any real proof other than fish captures that it's good for them....hmm.
EDIT, sure I read some big companies rolling is outsourced to Belgium or somewhere in the EU so given that I cant see a problem sourcing bait. Not to mention as already said, some good baits in Europe.
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#77 17 Jan 2021 at 6.35pm | | | |
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Froth, the problem isn't solved by where its rolled mate. Its the content that causes the EU an importation problem.
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#76 17 Jan 2021 at 5.52pm | | | |
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If it comes to it, the bigger co’s will just outsource their rolling abroad. We keep being told the baits are just sawdust and breadcrumb anyway 
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#75 17 Jan 2021 at 5.33pm | | | |
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I think it's a fair question hence my reply above; many French fisheries with British owners would prefer quality bait from the UK introduced into their waters, not all, but there are some for sure.
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#74 17 Jan 2021 at 5.29pm | | | |
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Why ask the Q when you know the answer as it stands now, they source a EU made boilie, thought that was obvious tbh, maybe its just me 
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#73 17 Jan 2021 at 5.18pm | | | |
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I was wondering this too, and how it may affect Paul. He has Ken Gates's bait available but once this runs out what then? Most anglers that fish Island seem to be from the UK, and use their own baits so I imagine he for one would be very keen on some clarity!
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#72 17 Jan 2021 at 1.29pm | | | |
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So what happens when a lake is a boilie only water (like island lake )
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#71 17 Jan 2021 at 11.00am | | | |
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The lake I go to sells house pellet and big buckets of there “house particle” so all I need is some boilie to go with it, the rest I just buy when I get there it’s cheap enough anyway so no problem with that
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#70 17 Jan 2021 at 10.03am | | | |
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Im a little long in the tooth to be believing DVD's etc
I fish one lake in France as i have done for 12 odd yrs with the same baits, as do most of the lads on my whole lake booking and the results we've had over the years speak for themselves. Hence the confidence.
of course, as previously mentioned, its not just a bait thing, its a choice thing and even to the point that we now cant even take particle (dry) is barmy
Im sure it will all work out fine, but if nothing else, its a good topic conversation.
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#69 17 Jan 2021 at 9.38am | | | |
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Angling Trust released this :
https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
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#68 17 Jan 2021 at 6.50am | | | |
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agree to that and especially lake pellets... happened twice this year to me, every angler coming with the "best" uk and some "eu" boilies but as fishing was hard going on the end both times bed of lake pellet out fished everything else....
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#67 17 Jan 2021 at 4.50am | | | |
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On my yearly trip I can almost guarantee what bait will account for the most amount of fish
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#66 17 Jan 2021 at 3.30am | | | |
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So am I thinking most don’t feel confident unless they are using their preferred bait ??.
I have watched so many anglers struggle on venues which have a lake bait but use their own .
To the point by Wednesday they go and get lake bait .
A bad angler with a good bait is still a bad angler .
I have used most baits on my 30 plus trips and can honestly say the lake bait outfished most of them .
So you lot are telling me on your yearly one week trip the fish can actually know your bait is better for them ??
Carp swim , eat and crap period .
The mind boggles how some of your brains 🧠 are wired .
I blame all the books and DVD,s 😷😷😷
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#65 17 Jan 2021 at 2.37am | | | |
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Doomed....worse than a headline from the express, get a grip mate :-p
During the foot and mouth we got stopped once in 4 trips iirc, our ingredient list made the gendarme correct our mis spelling of flour, he didn't even bother looking at the bait, in fact once he saw the fishing gear he wasn't really interested anymore.
Even when there's a lot of doom and gloom about you'll only ever hear the bad side of things, the vast majority of people will carry on regardless. I suppose the 1 good thing about the explosion in Carp fishing abroad over the last 10- 15 years is that customs are used to seeing it, they have much bigger fish to fry (pardon thd pun).
There will always be some pulled by chance, probably those who draw attention to themselves, that's to be expected.
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#64 16 Jan 2021 at 10.44pm | | | |
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I’m kinda glad I haven’t booked anywhere for this year, I’m hoping it is sorted by next year
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#63 16 Jan 2021 at 10.26pm | | | |
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Typical...my French trip is doomed...already been cancelled twice and moved to different dates coz of covid and now this....I've already got a freezer full of boilies plus 15kg pigeon conditioner plus 15kg maize plus 6kg floaters plus 5kg hemp plus 5kg shelf life plus a bag full of hookbaits plus 5kg pellets....I've been ready to go for ages...now it sounds like it could all end up getting confiscated!....tempted to try to cancel...had enough hassle!
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#62 16 Jan 2021 at 7.24pm | | | |
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We've had decades of people whingeing about what we had being so bad. PLEASE not decades of people whingeing about what we've now got being just as bad.
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#61 16 Jan 2021 at 7.04pm | | | |
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Why would you pay 600 quid to go on a trip and not fish how and with what you know works for you. Saying bait is all the same is just pure uneducated nonsense. If that was the case we would all be using a 50p bait and winding in 50s for fun. Most anglers save for years for their trips abroad and won’t leave anything to chance. For many anglers, not being able to use quality English bait will see them either fishing with zero confidence or not going at all. I’m pretty sure it won’t come to that but that’s how I feel on the subject
And as for travelling carp anglers, last June we got away for one week before the restrictions kicked in, and on the way out we saw hundreds of anglers just like every single Saturday throughout the year. Trust me tens of thousands go through that tunnel.
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#60 16 Jan 2021 at 6.18pm | | | |
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Tight Northerners 
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#59 16 Jan 2021 at 6.16pm | | | |
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Got to ask, who's telling you that..lol. The 2am ferries/trains have their fair share of camo geezers, trailers picking up bookings, I've never not seen lads in Carp gear in the last 10 years, lot less 20 years ago for sure.
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#58 16 Jan 2021 at 6.09pm | | | |
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See loads of anglers on the 02.20 train every year
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#57 16 Jan 2021 at 6.06pm | | | |
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I'd completely understand if that was the case, but it really isn't. Have been going France for around 20 years now, and can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen blokes wandering about in camo/olive on the ferry. We make up maybe 1% of every boat/train/plane that goes over during the summer. Even less than that between October & March.
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#56 16 Jan 2021 at 5.33pm | | | |
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https://anglingtrust.net/2021/01/15/anglers-to-challenge-brexit-bait-ban/
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#55 16 Jan 2021 at 5.10pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #54
must admit, re boillies, ive used the same type and bait firms for 15 yrs!
I do use particles also now and again, especially in france
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#54 16 Jan 2021 at 4.01pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #46
Why is it? If it was then I assume you would use just one bait all year round?? You probably dont though, you probably use a mixture of boilies, particles, even maggots at some point. Understanding what bait to use at certain times of year is probably one of the most important things in carp fishing
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#53 16 Jan 2021 at 2.54pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #52
About the same amount I use also
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#52 16 Jan 2021 at 12.20pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #51
i do when i take 80Kg for a week
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#51 16 Jan 2021 at 12.17pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #44
Normally I’d agree but if it’s for only twice a year for two trips I really don’t care, over here obviously I can get it a lot cheaper but if I’m paying out for a decent trip abroad I don’t mind paying out for the bait that I’m happy with, only other problem is tho I’m very fussy with my bait so actually being able to get it might be the problem
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#50 16 Jan 2021 at 12.16pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #46
totally agree re the 100's of bait firms about all claiming rubbish they spout.
I use the bait o have done
A) i trust its ingredients traceability
B) I trust its consistency
C) I trust the owner
D) i like to support said owner
E) it never changes
F) its caught me 100's of carp
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#49 16 Jan 2021 at 11.53am | | | |
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In reply to Post #46
Fancy a comp? I'll supply your bait, and use my own choice..
No misconception at all I'm afraid. But certainly not the main factor either, it is all part of the end result which we as anglers invest quite heavily in both financially and mentally during a foreign trip.
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#48 16 Jan 2021 at 11.38am | | | |
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In reply to Post #47
Agree , not many sports as complex as carping , once it has hold of you it changes your life and all rational thinking .
Most are beaten even before they get there due to not having their preferred bait .
It’s a sphycological dilemma.
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#47 16 Jan 2021 at 11.30am | | | |
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In reply to Post #46
You could say exactly the same about rigs.
Some people like messing about trying different baits, especially those who roll their own boilies.
I don't think it's sad or being conditioned, it's just personal choice. Not doing anyone any harm.
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#46 16 Jan 2021 at 11.24am | | | |
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Bait is the biggest misconception in carp fishing .
Literally hundreds of makers big and small with even more combinations that are apparently the dogs Doo daaas .
It’s all a lottery nothing else and all in peoples heads to the extent they get wobbly when they can’t use their preferred bait .
It’s pretty sad how some minds have been conditioned.
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#45 16 Jan 2021 at 10.27am | | | |
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In reply to Post #43
Good luck with that, though I guess it all depends on what your preferred baits are at the end of the day.
Pretty much every foreign trip with my preferred bait that I have confidence in, Carp Co Icelandic Red, Aqua Baits Squid and Hot Shrimp latterly, I've caught more than most other anglers on that week bar a couple of exceptions, and they are generally Dutch, Belgian and French anglers. Nothing conclusive in that of course, but bait is a major part of the equation which when being forced into a least worst option scenario does take some of the good vibes away from foreign adventures.
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#44 16 Jan 2021 at 9.29am | | | |
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In reply to Post #43
no doubt at ridiculous prices.
theres absolutely NO way i'll pay £10+ a kg for a bloody boillie.
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#43 15 Jan 2021 at 10.56pm | | | |
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I have two trips booked to France next year, if the worst comes to the worst I’ll just find somewhere to buy my boilie over there on the way I’m sure it won’t be that hard to get it
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#42 15 Jan 2021 at 8.46pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #32
What about the other cars going through with peoples lunch, animal foods and god knows what else. Will they check them all? I think they will negotiate with the U.K. to strike a balance of some sort rather than the headache of checking every single vehicle. I have just seen the paperwork and ballache for sending horses across to Europe to go to the big horse shows. It means extra fees etc but they are already working out how it’s going to affect the transition between countries so I’m sure fishing will fall inline pretty soon. The only thing I’m a bit concerned about is will it be sorted by this spring.
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#41 15 Jan 2021 at 8.12pm | | | |
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Seems to me the carp will have to go on a diet for a while that rely on U.K. anglers baits .
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#40 15 Jan 2021 at 6.58pm | | | |
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French customs will probably set up a ducking stool type system with which British anglers can be immersed in the dockside waters. If you float - you've obviously got a colon full of pop-ups and will be prosecuted. If you drown, carry on sir, no further questions.
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#39 15 Jan 2021 at 6.37pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #26
With you all the way OG. Have caught (in one week) all my biggest fish on cell 3x 50s, 3x60s 1x75 (lake record) and a host of slightly smaller. In fact thinking about it it’s all I really use and it catches every where I go.
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#38 15 Jan 2021 at 6.09pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
I suspect that by the time we all start going there this might have blown over. Customs will very quickly get fed up with emptying trailers and huge white vans full of tackle to find bait. I'm more worried about food. We take all of our food and drink with us as we got fed up with buying shocking wine from French supermarkets and we only need to shop for bread. I guess shopping for meat out there isn't too much hassle.
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#37 15 Jan 2021 at 5.36pm | | | |
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It's only January the 15th.
IF the worst comes to the worst we'll have to buy our bait over there, for some that will be a such a problem that they won't go but for the majority who goes once a year it won't be a showstopper.
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#36 15 Jan 2021 at 5.15pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #35
Employees of U.K. bait companies will probably notice too. The easily accessible market for UK-produced bait has shrunk from 28 countries to 1. In fact, not even a whole 1 as you can count NIreland out.
Many of these companies will now be exporting production and jobs, rather than goods.
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#35 15 Jan 2021 at 5.11pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #34
The only people who will notice are the English owners of French lakes. They will have to advertise on the continent rather than England. It won't be long before bait companies are producing versions of their bait on the continent.
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#34 15 Jan 2021 at 4.58pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #31
The money they will lose from anglers who will actually boycott european trips wouldn't pay for the toilet paper at the Eurostar Terminal.
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#33 15 Jan 2021 at 4.43pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #31
I’d have to disagree I don’t think it would be a big problem if they lost our money it won’t mean a lot to them, thing of all the other country’s anglers going there plus anglers money won’t be that big to them
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#32 15 Jan 2021 at 4.35pm | | | |
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We as carp anglers possibly
Only make up about 0.001% of Frances financies so it’s nothing compared to the overall income
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#31 15 Jan 2021 at 4.15pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #29
I won’t go on a trip where I can’t use the bait I want to. And if the french want to lose out on millions of pounds of trade then that’s up to them. I personally think this will get ironed out at some point this year as carp angler make up a fair old percentage of users of the tunnel and ferries. The french will see that it’s a trade worth many millions of pounds. It will just take time to sort
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#30 15 Jan 2021 at 4.12pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #27
I thought that was urban nutcracker lol
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#29 15 Jan 2021 at 4.00pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #28
Think you’re wildly missing the joke bud
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#28 15 Jan 2021 at 2.32pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #27
Is it a full moon or something ?
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#27 15 Jan 2021 at 2.26pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #26
Yeah isn’t it just sawdust no breadcrumbs?
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#26 15 Jan 2021 at 1.07pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #19
Mainline Cell to France should be ok as its mainly breadcrumbs and sawdust
that possibly one of the daftest statements I have ever seen posted on here clearly you dont know what your talking about or maybe it was a joke that went over my head
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#25 15 Jan 2021 at 12.56pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #24
Great shout that,
I see there is one en route to Calais, too. Suspect they may get a bit more business this year...
https://www.pacificpeche.com/store-beth/
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#24 15 Jan 2021 at 12.36pm | | | |
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A longtime ago now but back during foot and mouth if anyone remebers they were confiscating bait and food from anglers vans as well as everyone else travelling being checked and throwing it in skips and then pouring a contaminant over it, I shall just detour to the nearest Pacific Peche on route and pick up a sack of tigers,pellets and hemp if it becomes a problem, plenty of them about.
PACIFIC PECHE LOCATIONS
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#23 15 Jan 2021 at 12.24pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #21
Why do you think the French authorities will be bothered by folk LEAVING the EU to get to the UK?
If foreigners were setting off from the beaches of the north east for Scandinavia, Farage would be there helping them pump their boats up and fixing their punctures.
The French may enforce the EU rules, or they may have better things to do, but there's no denying the rules exist. I expect the UK were closely involved in drawing them up years ago.
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#22 15 Jan 2021 at 11.59am | | | |
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In reply to Post #21
Easy targets are anglers. Can’t mistake a load of carp kit, chances are there will be bait to confiscate whilst enforcing the rules. I’d go as far as if it isn’t packaged with ingredients listed on professional packaging, they’ll even take bait that is allowed on the basis they can’t prove it’s safe. As do other border forces around the globe.
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#21 15 Jan 2021 at 11.44am | | | |
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In reply to Post #19
Knowing quite a few people who work both here and France, I very much doubt they will be sending VW caddy's into the sheds to get checked. It's more work for them, more paperwork, and boilies are not high up on the priorities list. We have too many resources being sent to meet rhibs on the beaches to be worried about round balls of semo.
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#20 15 Jan 2021 at 11.38am | | | |
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In reply to Post #18
I couldn't think of anything worse than spending hundreds of pounds of fishing, travelling, food and time off work, to rock up to some corner shop of a tackle shop and having to use what ever they have in stock at that point, which will quite possibly be some dodgy readymades
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#19 15 Jan 2021 at 10.50am | | | |
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In reply to Post #18
what you need to think about is are the customs actually going to empty every anglers van/car driving into France on the chance they might find a few kg of Cell or B5?
actually taking Mainline Cell to France should be ok as its mainly breadcrumbs and sawdust 
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#18 15 Jan 2021 at 10.10am | | | |
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In reply to Post #17
Yep.
Purchasing maize, pigeon conditioner or even boilies should be a doddle. Many large towns have a decathlon, a tackle shop, or markets where you can buy particle.
Having used particle exclusively for the last two years, not having boilies will not make an iota of difference to my french fishing, but it's of course a confidence thing.
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#17 14 Jan 2021 at 11.08pm | | | |
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few years ago I stumbled on an out of the way carp lake French owned and almost all the anglers that fished it were locals
I did about 10 days on it caught some nice fish but most evenings a local fished till late and he was REALLY catching towards the end of my stay he came round and we got talking turns out he was using mini tigers so small about the size of a small pea
as he put it us French cant afford the 10 or 20kg you English put in on your 1 or 2 weeks stay so all the rest of the year we use cheap baits the fish are more used to these baits and so we catch more as they see our baits all year
the other point I have seen STACKS of good baits made by Belgium Dutch and German bait company's in France
so as the saying goes Don't Panic Mr Mainwaring
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#16 14 Jan 2021 at 10.05pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #13
For hundreds of years both AUS and the US have had to deal with invasive species and plants due to imports.
Europe seem to be less concerned about humans than boilies? I don't buy it personally, but time will tell.
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#15 14 Jan 2021 at 4.39pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #11
Not with base mixes exported from the U.K. so,they will have to make the mixes from scratch with ingredients sourced from within the eu
It will be interesting to see if anglers crossing will take a hit with this and do you think Mainline etc are going to give away the make up of there mixes
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#14 14 Jan 2021 at 9.55am | | | |
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We shouldn't really be surprised this is happening. Do you really think the rest of Europe is going to make things any easier now we are out the EU?  
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#13 14 Jan 2021 at 9.45am | | | |
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In reply to Post #12
You would think so, but looking at countries like Australia and America, see what happens when you try and take an apple in the latter
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#12 14 Jan 2021 at 7.57am | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
I honestly believe this will all be forgotten about in April when everyone realises that the border control cares more about clandestines, than they do filling paperwork for a bit of Atlantic Heat.
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#11 14 Jan 2021 at 6.50am | | | |
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In reply to Post #10
They will most likely get forms from France,Holland + many more to roll it for them then when ordering they will be sent from within the eu so will make it legal 👍
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#10 13 Jan 2021 at 5.48pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #4
Saw that and appeared quite definitive. Does cause some headaches for French trips without doubt, even buying from the venue most English owned lakes seem to stock baits from UK firms so not sure how that can be overcome
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In reply to Post #5
Bring back the days of Nash Euro Boilies in the big white buckets
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#8 13 Jan 2021 at 12.43pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #6
Facebook I think. Was a screenshot of a PM from them someone posted or may of been a screenshot of a reply to a comment
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In reply to Post #1
It was at the Dutch border link
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In reply to Post #4
We're have they stated that
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #4
Cue a long list of posters detailing the firms who make bait that is exclusively sawdust and PVA glue, as as such fine to take to France ...
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CCMoore have said you can’t take any boilies into Europe even for personal use. If they have meat/fish/milk products in them as most do
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In reply to Post #1
http://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=424634
Already a current thread running foreign venues thread
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In reply to Post #1
Not OTT, it’s the law. You see similar in a lot of countries, Oz and New Zealand for example.
I believe there is no clarity around bait as of yet. I’d assume French venues and uk bait companies are seeking some though.
The rules look like it would be confiscated from you. But there may be some loophole or exemption yet to be identified.
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So I read an article on the BBC news website about a lorry driver having his sandwiches confiscated by Danish customs as apparently you cant take meat, fish or dairy into Europe ....seems a bit OTT taking the mans lunch, but got me thinking about what the score is with taking bait to France etc ?
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