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In reply to Post #53
I'm in the UK and bought something from a UK seller yesterday and noticed something different.
I clicked that I wanted to 'Buy It Now' and it said something like by doing this you legally agreeing to buy. Then there was an asterisk by the 'Buy It Now' price that said there could be added taxes.
Being UK to UK there wasn't any extras but thought it was a bit strange that if there was I wouldn't know until I entered the legal agreement.
You should be made aware of any extras before clicking 'Buy It Now'
Slightly off topic but something that ebay should sort out or there's going to be a lot of broken legal agreements!
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In reply to Post #46
I was searching on Ebay, and usually buy from the UK, but with shipping + extra customs all this is way too expensive.
Bought my gear from Estonia instead.
Will have to buy my tackle an bait elsewhere. Or maybe some have already started with depots on the mainland to supply European customers without all the hassle.
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In reply to Post #51
I've been ordered some components to mend stuff that's been hanging around for years. 
Sorry for going off topic 
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In reply to Post #49
Just some plugs, sockets and leds to refurb a wired sounder box I made years ago for some Mk1 Delkims. Can't go fishing, got to find something to do.
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In reply to Post #48
The GSP maybe a rip off for the buyer but as an occasional seller I've found it a good idea.
I send the item to ebay and they take responsibility from there on.
I've had buyers from France, Italy, Finland, Germany and Ireland all bumping up the prices , winning stuff and paying ebay the extra to get it. All I do is send it to ebay in the UK
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In reply to Post #47
Yes but my post was the other way around.
Those charges I mention are for ebayers from Jersey, France and Australia if they want to buy my item.
Surely someone in Jersey shouldn't have to pay more than someone from France and certainly not Australia.
The charges mentioned are a combination of postage and import duty that ebay charge to ship from the UK.
Unless there's a reason I haven't thought of my guess is ebay will change things over time.
Off topic but what type of components did you buy, one of my hobbies used to be electronics and I'm finding I'm getting back into a little bit recently.
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In reply to Post #46
That Global Shipping Programme has been a rip off since day one.
Ebay/Pitney Bowes charging import fees and duties and on numerous occasions not
handing them over to the relevant gov. dep.
Auto calculation of fees/duties that were 2X the price of the item.
Buying from the U.S used to be a very economical proposition...since sellers enrolled or were auto enrolled for selling overseas it became a right swindle.
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In reply to Post #46
I realise this thread is about buyers in the UK buying from outside
It's not. The first post was about people abroad buying from UK retailers and getting stuff sent abroad, just like you're doing on Ebay Bob.
But the thread title, just like the brexit problems and delays, works both ways.
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I realise this thread is about buyers in the UK buying from outside but for the other way around.
I’m currently selling a £15 item on ebay using their Global Shipping Programme.
If a buyer in France wants it he will have to pay £9.63 for the extra postage, a buyer in Jersey will have to pay £18.93 and a buyer in Australia £18.71
That doesn’t sound right to me so my guess is because it’s still early days things on ebay will change as time goes on.
That’s ebay can’t comment on general commerce.
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In reply to Post #42
echo Jon's comments there - well done your son and his girl
My local postie tells me that there's been a massive increase in demand - online shopping obviously, plus the handling of posted covid test kits - up against post office branches closing / staff absence due to isolating / illness. they're feeling it like any other industry that employs people i guess.
there's always the Amazon delivery approach - send a message saying it was 'handed to recipient' even though you weren't even at home when they supposedly did this.... or say the item was left 'in porch' - which would be great if I actually had one...
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In reply to Post #42
Thank-you letters? Proper ones, in the post?
Congratulations on having such a well-mannered son and son's girlfriend!
See ... There IS hope for the next generation!
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DPD have just informed me my parcel has been returned to sender 
Human error, incorrectly filled out documents, must be costing business a fortune.
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Where is the delay though in the system? Last Friday, I got a thank you from my Son for his Xmas card and today I got a thank you from his girlfriend for her Xmas card. Both were sent a week before Xmas together on the same day and they live in the same house. Five weeks to deliver a first class letter!!!!!!
So, even the Royal mail is still running late.
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I ordered a few little electronic components online on Jan 9th. From what I thought was an Italian company (site in Italian, head office in Milan, Italian VAT number etc). Although they cost less than 3 eur I stumped up a total of 17 Eur including 24hour delivery (the only option). Once my payment had gone through I got an email from them saying the goods were being sent from the head office/warehouse in the UK. Still haven't got it, and the envelope is still in the UK.
Looks like the warm nostalgia of having to wait longer for stuff is the only tangible benefit of brexit. 
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In reply to Post #39
The younger generation expect everything NOW
Agreed I remember doing mail order, sending a cheque and having to wait until it clears before they even thought of sending.
Don't get me wrong I don't want to go back to those days, it is nice to get things promptly but I have no problem waiting a few days to get something
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In reply to Post #35
Sorry to hear that guys
@the poacher, I read a piece from Daniel last night talking about patience and that CL would be absorbing re send costs from customs. Now I read that as, if it's rejected customs are taking the charge already levied, so when CL resend, CL have to meet the fee again. Now if CL cocked up it's hard to vilify customs but imagine if it's not CL fault, the costs 
I believe a whole consignment from CL including boats was turned back. Now from my experience over the years CL have a pretty easy going attitude (which I like) but I think once these extra charges start mounting they're going to have to 'tighten' some things up. Also makes you wonder if they'll shift U.K boats warranty/servicing to the U.K, it would make sense.
I don't go on FB from month to month so may have missed something and am happy to be corrected.
@snapper, to be honest your last 3 lines I can understand and it'll probably only get worse. The younger generation expect everything NOW due to the way the world is on social media, they think nothing of sending the same query multiple times per day to multiple platforms at that company, imagine multiplying that by several million things in back log. I remember reading a post on FB from a CL customer, he was literally furious as no one had replied to a e-mail he'd sent that morning and chased up 6 TIMES THAT DAY....imagine being that company if that's the 'norm'.
@38, bugger off to the Brexit thread, insult people there
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I moved over to France in October and prior to Brexit anything I ordered from the UK was delivered in a few days. Since Brent finally happened its all gone tits up, I am now waiting weeks for anything to be delivered even after paying the extortinate duties which tend to increase total costs by around 20%.
I do wonder if the idiots who voted to leave the EU had any idea of the consequences, of which cross border supplies is the tip of the iceberg.
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In reply to Post #36
I just received ozis book to belgium today... no extra cost or anything... got lucky this time
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In reply to Post #35
my parcel coming from Germany was shipped with UPS
dispatch on the 5th
and I still don't have it
and no sign of it yet
the customs payment has been made but still nothing
I an not happy
UPS have been awful just constantly blame customs
huge back log and even at one point blamed all the customers phoning up trying to find where their parcels are !
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In reply to Post #34
I'm the same waiting for a Carplounge delivery. DPD has had it 2 weeks now and it isn't moving in their German system from being "received"..... 
No I'm wrong it is now moving , just the wrong way!..
At parcel delivery centre.
(Return to sender)
Missing, incorrect, incomplete or illegible export documents. 
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I read today that UK customs is asking for bond guarantees for the vat value of things coming into the U.K, so for eg, a truck carrying 200k of goods is being asked for a 40k bond. Some european hauliers are refusing to bring stuff to the U.K until it's sorted out as they can't afford the bonds.
Also read the customs form demands are being changed sometimes weekly...wth.. meaning if it's been in transit a week it'll probably have out of date forms, also read things are being turned away without any reason given.
My order from Carplounge has been at customs clearance in NL since Sunday, just spoke to DPD, it may take another week such is the back log.
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26 quid shipping for a packet of hooks from Johnson Ross to Italy now.
Cosmic.
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In reply to Post #31
you been googling me again?
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In reply to Post #30
Apart from a few on here that might buy a bit of tackle now and again from the EU do many people buy other stuff? I can't think of anything myself.
I can understand Mal getting upset though if his fur coat turns up with extra costs
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Morning all
not fishing specific, but I saw this article which seemed relevant for this thread. There's a bit of explanation on charges once you get past the nice lady and her coat.
Thanks Boris
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In reply to Post #28
Makes me wonder why they do it that way, there must be a system like the Ebay 1 available to shops, or maybe they just don't want to pay for it.
I sent a Christmas Card to my Dutch relatives in Beek/Roermond at the beginning of December, I already had to put a customs declaration on it, the card I received from them didn't, not exactly a level playing field!
Oh well horses for courses.
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In reply to Post #27
Johnson Ross charges no VAT to European customers, when logging in to your account, you will see the price payed is without VAT. You will have to pay it when collecting is done..
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In reply to Post #25
It already is with CL, based on my order from Monday
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In reply to Post #23
when buying on eBay UK from NL import duties are being added to the purchase amount. As for ordering from a shop, I reckon that customs will add their import duties invoice to the parcel, or the courier company will. So my days of ordering from the UK are most likely over.
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In reply to Post #24
spot on cant see me making any order till that happens.
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In reply to Post #16
I would imagine companies will be adding a pre paid customs charge to orders, a system which iirc has been active on Ebay for a while, so the charges are paid upfront at the sellers end, it speeds up the process.
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In reply to Post #21
If... It's January 17. Any idea about theoretical agreements?
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In reply to Post #21
Looks like it becomes similar now to the situation we have in the US when ordering goods from the UK.
Some UK vendors are set up to send stuff VAT-free to the US ( e,g. Johnson Ross).
We are then dependent on the whim of US Customs on whether they charge US Import duty ( and theoretically there may also be a local sales tax cost). They seem to ignore small orders.....And we can’t import bait personally ( a few big retail tackle companies have handled the import paperwork for bulk bait supplies , Mainline, Sticky, CC Moore etc).
Post-Brexit the EU will view the UK in roughly the same way I fear. Or more severely, as the EU Regs are often more rigorous than US FDA ones...
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In reply to Post #20
If there are no new agreements between the UK and the EU as of 1 January 2021, the rules will change. Ordering goods via UK web shops will be the same as ordering goods from outside the EU, such as the US or China. In that case, you will need to pay Dutch VAT (BTW) on products that cost €22 or more. You will also need to pay import duties if products cost more than €150.
( 20%) of the amount you bought
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In reply to Post #19
I'm resigned to the fact that I'll just have to find EU suppliers for the stuff I buy from the UK. A few hundred quid a year on bait and tackle won't make much difference to anyone.
Unfortunately I know several companies doing the same and finding alternative suppliers, but their orders are worth millions (not fishing related).
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In reply to Post #18
That handling fee is the biggest problem at the moment no one knows what prices are...
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In reply to Post #17
I'd agree. Shouldn't have to pay Vat both ends.
The problem is likely to be increased shipping costs, slower delivery, and the couriers being able to add on an extra 'handling fee' which could be anything.
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In reply to Post #16
I don't think you would pay that, you shouldn't be paying duty at both ends??
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I was looking to buy an RT4 from Carplounge in Germany @ £3500, now add 20% to that, and thats an extra £700 on top
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In reply to Post #14
Dont think webshops will mentioned the extra costs ( taxes)...
Its not there problem if a country charges extra taxes for import..
But if its the case, it will cost shops allot of income, always ordered allot in the uk, a bit more carefull now..
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In reply to Post #1
Just to throw another scenario in there, ordered 2 F.S rods from a tackle shop in Dublin,all in,postage included,was cheaper than I could of got them in J.Ross. y
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In reply to Post #12
Living in The Netherlands I ordered 3-4 times a year tackle from Angling Direct.
Sometimes because it was cheaper, sometimes because some tackle from ESP and Gardner, etc is hard to get in NL.
Angling Direct has a also a Dutch website.
Is this a workaround so custommers do not have to pay extra taxes, etc?
On their website it says that orders lower than 90 euro come with 4,99 extra shipping costs.
Above 90 euro, it's for free.
Before Brexit, this was something like more than 19 euro's for free shipping.
Oh well, I will see.
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I'm in the same boat as well as I used to buy most of my tackle and bait in the UK. As I understand it the shops in UK shouldn't charge VAT when selling to countries in the EU, but I'm not sure the are aware of that yet. In Denmark we are now supposed to pay danish VAT on orders over £10. Customs duties are to be paid for orders over around £140 if the good do not originate from the UK. This is where it becomes tricky because loads of tackle is produced in the far east and it will be virtually impossible to determine how much originate from the UK. The PVA mesh may come from ESPs UK Factory, the Free Spirit blank will be from the far east, the guides from the States but the rod is built by a UK rod builder. How much paperwork will it take to buy just a small order from a UK tackleshop? And regarding bait I guess that many ingredients are sourced from outside the UK, so buying bait in bulk may end as a costly affair too.
Tough times for a tackle hoarder.
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In reply to Post #1
yes, import duties to be paid on goods from the UK now
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In reply to Post #9
at the moment you are totally in mercy of couriers and what handling fee they will add... couldnt find any price list for this so it is like buying blank, or as forest gump would say... you never know what you are gonna get... Ordered ozis book 3 days without even thinking about it so will see what "santa" from dpd brings me 
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In reply to Post #1
The answer is buried in here ... what a mess. https://www.gov.uk/export-goods
Unless you are happy to pay unexpected charges I’d be careful of importing or exporting anything until things become clearer.
Even worse for companies that want to export to the U.K. ... they are expected to register for U.K. VAT
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In reply to Post #7
Below a certain value seems to be a nightmare for foreign businesses , a couple of my suppliers are in the EU and they can't process orders below a certain value as they would have to register with hmrc for vat 
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In reply to Post #6
It works the same from the EU to uk aswell
Over a certain value
+Vat at 20% and a handling fee from the Royal Mail service
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In reply to Post #1
Already been a victim, over here in Sweden
Purchased some items middle of December, that arrived afew days ago.
Parcels are subject to 25% import duty + handling fees Parcel was sent last year,
but that didn´t help Letters with afew rig bits went through. 
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In reply to Post #4
yes, just figure that out as well tnx ... it is without tax you pay vat in your own country but no custom for uk goods, the only problem will be couriers charging a lot probably for this.
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In reply to Post #3
would it not be tax free shopping from abroad and you will pay relevant tax in your country on delivery??
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In reply to Post #2
tnx unfortunately not a lot of helpful info, just more confusion just got reply from tackle box on fb that there my be some additional charge... looks like no one knows at the moment. This has a potential to hurt trade big time by the look of it!! Personally I order/buy 95% of my tackle/bait from UK but for sure I am not prepared to pay 20% more or similar for it!
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In reply to Post #1
there was some useful info regarding eBay on a thread very recently about new charges. scroll down in the general carp discussion section...
other than that, good luck!
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Do we have any shops/business owners on here that could shed some ilght on sending goods (tackle&bait) from Uk to EU countries when buying online? There is a lot of different info out there from nothing changes to people getting messages from couriers to pay ridiculous amount of extra charges... Anyone dealing with this yet first hand?
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