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Iv used spa baits for over 10 years now, originally using there SAS but when they bought the FSB out that was a game changer haven’t looked back since. The FSB is a HNV bait...You get what you pay for at the end of the day
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#45 19 Jan 2021 at 10.06pm | | | |
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Anybody been using spa baits then ? Seem to catch some good fish if you look at the Facebook page. Also if you buy the deals the price seems to come down a lot, like the look of a couple of the baits.
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#44 18 Dec 2020 at 10.06am | | | |
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In reply to Post #40
Both did good bait and both shut down for other reasons that had nothing to do with the quality of the bait. I think one wanted out the backstabbing bait industry even if he didn't actually say that and the other was due to retirement 
Not sure that has any relevance on the quality of bait and the knowledge that Tony Mills has  I guess he is not a 'fashionable' name in carp fishing so by default his bait must be 'crap' then 
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#43 18 Dec 2020 at 9.52am | | | |
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In reply to Post #42
I have no idea, haven't seen those baits being sold anywhere I shop that is why I asked.
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#42 18 Dec 2020 at 8.19am | | | |
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In reply to Post #40
Peobably not good since you asked 
I don't pay much attention to the coming and going of companies and have not bought a bait in years, except a few out of curiousity or to compare results.
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#41 18 Dec 2020 at 8.13am | | | |
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We have found that using less bait has become a major edge especially with the hnv type baits. I always think of my time at welly and the fact that in an entire season I used what some people were putting out in a 3 day session! And I was consistent throughout spring summer autumn and especially winter when nothing else was caught. I always like the idea of a good food source but enough to catch one carp at a time. The lakes this year have been filled in.......so do the reverse! It has always worked for me. Going back to spa baits has anyone seen the bait or ingredient list? Has anyone caught on it? Who is the brains behind it?
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#40 18 Dec 2020 at 7.31am | | | |
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In reply to Post #39
how are vision and sbs doing now?
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#39 18 Dec 2020 at 7.04am | | | |
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In reply to Post #38
Assumption made from post 13, Smurf wrote Tony Mills joined them in 2017 and he has a proven track record (worked with Daz at Vision Baits and SBS before that).
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#38 18 Dec 2020 at 5.26am | | | |
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In reply to Post #37
Do we even know spa is quality? Or is that just general assumption because of high price?
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#37 17 Dec 2020 at 8.57pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #36
Enzymes, been nice knowing you
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#36 17 Dec 2020 at 7.35pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #33
It's not a proper bait debate until someone gets banned!
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#35 17 Dec 2020 at 7.31pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #32
Yep. Think we are hijacking a thread. Time out.
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#34 17 Dec 2020 at 7.18pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #33
Yep 
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#33 17 Dec 2020 at 7.14pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #32
good ole boring bait debates 
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#32 17 Dec 2020 at 5.07pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #31
In your opinion....
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#31 17 Dec 2020 at 4.41pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #30
In heavily stocked commercials and syndicates with a huge biomass of hungry fish you are right. In other waters it is rarely the case.
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#30 17 Dec 2020 at 1.52pm | | | |
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But very often it is the best way too. Not so much with crays agreed. And most like to catch as much as they can when they get the opportunity! Of course we are talking boilies, and yes I'm fully aware of that having been making them for 30 years..
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#29 17 Dec 2020 at 1.43pm | | | |
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Putting more boilies in is not the only way to address the problems you mention, including the etc etc and very often it is not the best way.
If we are talking boilies the type and quality of ingredient is what dictates the cost, home made or otherwise.
When the fish move off, they move off, glad I've caught.
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#28 17 Dec 2020 at 12.10pm | | | |
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You don't have to use lots of bait, but sometimes it helps, especially if your water has lots of other species for instance, or crays etc etc. Or if the carp are really having it, if you don't give them enough they can move off. Quality doesn't have to mean expensive either, the problem is many are too lazy to make their own.
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#27 17 Dec 2020 at 11.46am | | | |
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I think one major problem for people who try to sell high quality hi-nu-val baits that are unavoidably expensive is the con, fashion, trend, disinformation that you have to use large amounts of boilies to catch. I have found a couple of kilos a day over 3 rods will catch plenty of fish. I often use a lot less than this. Fishing well is the key.
On those out and out commercial waters where every session is a match against the anglers 10yds on either side then buy lots of cheap alternatives and bung it in if you must.
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#26 17 Dec 2020 at 9.57am | | | |
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All the best to them, if that’s what the cost needs to be to make profit then so be it 👍🏻 Cell and the like is £12 a kg ( for a single kg from the shops ) and its always selling. Is it because it’s good or because it’s a fashion to follow the users of it.
Blake’s bait is expensive but has a good reputation. Mark’s hookbaits are expensive but again have a great following.
Each to there own and it’s like cars and fishing tackle it’s what the user what’s to spend.
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#25 17 Dec 2020 at 8.45am | | | |
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In reply to Post #24
Oh I agree, not ideal to boil but again it's about practicality. Paste would be better but as you know, not easy to use in many situations
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#24 17 Dec 2020 at 8.44am | | | |
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I agree, it is a limit to how much you can spend on bait, but nobody says you have to feed kilos on every rod with regular intervals. That might be the best method some places and some times but not everywhere every time.
Or for some the extra fish on the bank may be worth the extra £.
It's all up to the individual. Some would spend their money on £30 bank sticks and other would rather spend the money on bait.
Not sure about the rh comment either, after all boilies are all balls of dough, nomatter what's actually in them
What RH said was that whole concept of putting the everything into a dough and boil it was far from an ideal way of presenting the ingredients. This due to lack of leakage and other factors.
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#23 17 Dec 2020 at 8.37am | | | |
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In reply to Post #21
I find it hard to imagine Boilies ever becoming obsolete. The use of Boilies are too practical and functional. I could be wrong though!
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#22 17 Dec 2020 at 8.12am | | | |
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It's an offset between cost and quality, the upper limit of what a bait could potentially cost could be huge, as said there are lots of other ingredients which would push the price up massively if used, which could and would make the price unjustifiable to most. Most couldn't afford to be chucking out a tenners worth of bait round each rod 5 times every weekend, hence the expensive baits don't sell so well, and when people catch them on bits of maize, plastic, etc etc then many think why would you spend big money? Think it was matey from scientific baits who said he couldn't work out how anyone justifies selling bait for more than about £7kg.
Not sure about the rh comment either, after all boilies are all balls of dough, nomatter what's actually in them
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#21 17 Dec 2020 at 8.07am | | | |
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In reply to Post #20
There has been a development that makes boilies obsolete but the inventors are not interested in making money and certainly would not come on here to give it away and take flak
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#20 17 Dec 2020 at 7.48am | | | |
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You are right, the attempts to sell more expensive bats seem to have failed. This probably make others less interested in investing in research and that is part of the reason not much new happens.
I guess it also have something to do with the general bait knowledge among anglers seem to be a thing of the past.
Rod Hutchinson wrote in 1988 that the concept of boiled dough balls was somehow outdated, still people follow basically the same recipes with small improvements.
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#19 16 Dec 2020 at 11.03pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #18
You have about hit the nail on the head there.
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#18 16 Dec 2020 at 8.04pm | | | |
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If enough people was willing to pay more for bait there would probably be more interesting products on the market.
Maybe.... but IMHO upwards of £8 a kilo is brave.
Bait is like fashion, round and round in marketing circles, depending on price of X product used.
Companies may jump on the band wagon, some won't. Cannot compete with big buying power.
For a lot of people, especially in the current climate, whatever peoples budget of X spent on any bait needs a fair return, if fished with well - granted.
Results on their lake/s by someone else on some other bait, much more expensive, would take some convincing TO SWITCH.
Some people just won't pay over £ x per kilo of bait, regardless. So it made for that market end price.
Is it time to change the tide in peoples mind set, quality over quantity. Many have tried to.
Nutrabaits had Hi-Nu-Val that succumb to 'cheaper' great baits like their BFM & Trigga.
Nash that tried the market with the Key, went back to Scopex Squid and varients of 50/50 high attract baits.
Master Geoff at ABS brought out Hydra K, But loads still being caught on many of his cheaper baits, Maple Nut Cream, Rock Lobster.
Premier still having them on fish base, spiced fish base, Aminos.
I personally think that only the seasoned home bait maker/roller will understand what Viking and Keeperboy, and even the likes of John Baker are saying.
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#17 16 Dec 2020 at 7.45pm | | | |
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If you drive down price you drive down quality. It’s an argument I know I can never win on the forum. However as I have stated before there are growing numbers of anglers who will pay more for better bait. They generally buy a little less and apply it with a little more thought. The results always come from a good bait. If SPA baits are true to their word and use the real deal ingredients the Facebook pages should be full of nice fish. Cos that is ultimately your indicator
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#16 16 Dec 2020 at 7.11pm | | | |
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Bless them. If enough people was willing to pay more for bait there would probably be more interesting products on the market. Seems there is little pioneering going on, most baitmakers are just trying to copy someone else's successful recipes.
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#15 16 Dec 2020 at 6.49pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #14
I may be prepared to pay over the normal rate for a bait that contained ingredients in quantities that justified that cost, and that also produced results with a correspondingly higher catch rate. However without the supplier telling you exactly what's in the bait then you can only judge by results. How much better than a. more regularly priced bait is this one?
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#14 16 Dec 2020 at 5.25pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #13
Good luck to them for going against the grain. I’d be more worried about the 4 quid a kilo baits personally.
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#13 16 Dec 2020 at 9.43am | | | |
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Never heard of them but Tony Mills joined them in 2017 and he has a proven track record (worked with Daz at Vision Baits and SBS before that). Still seem very pricey but that's down to the person buying if they think its worth the price or not.
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#12 16 Dec 2020 at 9.28am | | | |
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In reply to Post #11
I'd expect a spa treatment with every 10kg for sure.
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#11 16 Dec 2020 at 9.19am | | | |
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never heard of them, and i wouldnt pay over £7 a kg regardless
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#10 16 Dec 2020 at 8.09am | | | |
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In reply to Post #9
Boilies are little balls of dough that have been boiled. Nothing defamatory in that. It's what they are. It's a fact. Even my own home rolled one's. Just little balls of dough. And I really couldn't give a **** what you think, I'll post what I like, just the same as anyone has the right to.if you don't like it, don't read. It's very simple .
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In reply to Post #8
No, you deride their product as 'dough balls' and label them as a company 'no one has ever heard of', both of which you just made up. Comments like yours are baseless. Granted their price seems higher than many, not disputing that, and as I said they can set their price where they think it works, time will tell whether have to re think in the future.
It's about time you consider what you say before contributing as you rarely have anything factual or interesting to add.
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#8 15 Dec 2020 at 11.00pm | | | |
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Excuse me? The op mentioned the price and everyone else who has posted has agreed? Paying over £10 per kg on a 20kg order is madness,end of
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In reply to Post #6
I don't think it's really necessary to knock them the way you are, it's f all to do with you what they price their products at and you most likely have no idea of the quality .
I don't know this company either btw..
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In reply to Post #5
For a load of dough balls made by someone nobody's ever heard of... Madness
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100kg gets the price down to £8.50 per kg.......  
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In reply to Post #1
£230 plus £7.00 p&p for 20kg is more than a little bit expensive, extortionate more like, there's baits with proven catch results that are a £100 cheaper per 20kg!!
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In reply to Post #2
I was trying to be a little subtle with the question but agree £60-£70 more than I normally pay for 20kg
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#2 14 Dec 2020 at 10.16am | | | |
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Quite expensive? Bloody extortionate more like.. You will get a high quality bait from a reputable company for far less than they are charging
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Anybody used Spa Baits. They have a couple of flavours I fancy trying but look quite expensive
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