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 #309 27 Mar 2021 at 3.49pm | |  |   |
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You can carry this on in the non-carp section. 
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#308 27 Mar 2021 at 3.04pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #304
I completely agree though that younger adults should refuse the vaccine, refuse to get tested and take their chances. Any form of vaccination passport would of course be a violation of their human rights.
This will free up loads of spaces at foreign fisheries for other anglers when the EU bring in a requirement for either a clear Covid test or proof of vaccination.
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#307 27 Mar 2021 at 2.56pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #306
Okay.
How would you have handled the Covid pandemic?
I get it that you would not have had a lockdown so what was the plan when the hospital's were overwhelmed with Covid victims?
How would you have protected healthcare workers treating covid patients?
What would you have said to the families of the estimated 500,000 + covid dead? Many of which could have been avoided with a lockdown.
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#306 27 Mar 2021 at 2.38pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #305
I agree.
I wouldn't have locked down anything.
But I think most young people would have taken their "chances" and not bothered either.
However, now we have gone down that rabbit hole it must follow that the "vulnerable" who have been vaccinated must wait until the younger generation are vaccinated before they can enjoy the perceived "freedom" and "safe feeling" until everyone can do the same.
That's my point.
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#305 27 Mar 2021 at 1.54pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #300
A few years ago, there was this big war, and lots of young men went to fight and never came home. Nowadays, we have a generation of pampered little brats with mobile phones, playstations, cars etc. that have everything they want. Such a shame that these poor babies havent been able to go to the pub or on a lads holiday. We are in the middle of a pandemic where people are dying so maybe these little darlings need to wait a little longer for a beer or a trip to Ayia Napa.
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#304 27 Mar 2021 at 7.03am | | | |
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In reply to Post #303
The government has offered to give everyone their FIRST vaccination by end if July.
It therefore will not be until October until everyone has had their second Jab and is fully vaccinated.
Also that assumes no delays or problems and ignores the fact that there is a further 14 day period after Jab 2 before you are deemed fully vaccinated.
So at the earliest it is late autumn until we see all "equal".
Anybody who refuses is obviously decided the matter for themselves.
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#303 27 Mar 2021 at 6.32am | | | |
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In reply to Post #300
Hi
I'm sure that with your law qualification you understand that the government are working to offer every adult a vaccination by july. So it'll be equality for all.
I'm sure you'll also understand that if you decline a vaccine that this will be your choice and you understand that there will be consequences from your choice of actions that may inconvenience yourself
It's highly likely that Spain/EU will want you to prove your vaccinated or virus free and this will be mandatory and you won't have a choice......
Welcome to the new world of living with Covid.
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#302 27 Mar 2021 at 5.42am | | | |
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In reply to Post #301
Correct. Less than 400 people below the age of 60 with no pre existing medical conditions have died of covid since last march in the UK.
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#301 26 Mar 2021 at 9.49pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #299
Deaths registered in 2018 2019 2220 have hardly deviated give or take 10k it usually hovers around 530-540k ish it's all to see if you know where to look and sky and bbc news at 10 is the worst place to see what's going on ,not just covid ....scamdemic was mentioned earlier ,I fully agree ,go look up the average age of a covid death in U.K. and also go look up the average U.K. life expectancy ....after you have done that pull the shutters down on your buisness and watch your house get repo'd ....was it /is it worth it ......this country of mine has gone soft as **** and most folk just lap it up ....world gone mad ,yes it has and my piss is at a constant boil with the weak and the woke ...did I mention I've lost 2 trips to France so far this year fpmsl
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#300 26 Mar 2021 at 9.44pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #299
Nope...
I have a law qualification and trained in understanding fairness as a concept.
That's the problem with the concept of fairness. Most people onlynly ever view "fairness" from the individuals perspective.
Most find it impossible to view a problem inpartially without the input of their own bias and viewpoint.
Now imagine your 24...
You couldn't go anywhere last year because the whole country was in lockdown, mainly to protect the vulnerable from a virus, which to you wasn't likely to cause you (as a 24 year old) much harm. So that wasn't reallfair on you the 24 year old.
Now the vulnerable have all been vaccinated and they want to go down the pub and on holiday to Spain, but in order to allow them to feel safe everyone else on the plane or in the pub needs to be vaccinated. So on order for those people to feel safe, because you (as a 24 year old) haven't been vaccinated you still can't go to the pub or to Spain.
So in summary you couldn't go last year when it was safe for you but wasn't for others and you can't go this year, because the others want to feel safe, why they do the things you can't do to allow them to feel safe.
It's just not fair. Simple as that. But most people can't look at it from any viewpoint other than there own.
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#299 26 Mar 2021 at 9.30pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #298
You're a leftie yeh?
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#298 26 Mar 2021 at 9.24pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #290
Daily deaths have been dropping like a stone. The vulnerable have been jabbed.
Along with Israel we have probably the finest vaccination program on the planet. Israel is back to normal, yet we have the 2nd most restrictive lockdown policy on planet earth.
People are still in fear for absolute no reason whatsoever. You either get the jab and get on with your life, or don't get the jab and hide behind the sofa. Why get the jab if you still live in abject fear of a virus which is statistically more likely to kill the old and clinically vulnerable, the two groups of whom are already vaccinated? We all said things would get back to normal after the jab, right? or was this another empty "flatten the curve" narrative.
Not a poke at anyone in particular, but If you advocate the requirement for a tier 6 visa just to buy a tomato juice in your local ****ty gastro pub then more fool you and the landlord. British Businesses will silently bury themselves and their employees through the abject fear of going against the grain.
I truly believe this country will happily tolerate another lockdown in the autumn and another furlough scheme because of an obscure variant found in some Namibian village. Free money, and all the entertainment they can muster is sitting in the palm of their hand. Anyone that goes against it via the means of protest will be accused of killing our Grandparents. Kids will be accused of being super spreaders, and we'll be getting fined again for sitting on park benches.
Mugs, the lot of us.
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#297 26 Mar 2021 at 9.11pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #288
I agree with you but.....
In the interests of fairness, in order for you to feel safe it must follow that EVERYONE else in the pub / in the cinema/ on the plane/ ferry/eurostar (delete as appropriate) has had the opportunity to feel safe and allow you and them to feel safe.
It's no good allowing you to do those things so you can feel safe when other parts of the population haven't had that opportunity to "feel safe" ie have the vaccination.
If not what you are doing is asking others to give up their freedom so you can enjoy yours, because you have the advantage of feeling safe by dint of your vaccination status
Which is why until everyone has had the opportunity to take the vaccination, in the interest of fairness we must All follow the same set of restrictions, the vaccinated and un vaccinated.
Which is why nobody is going anywhere until October at the earliest!
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#296 26 Mar 2021 at 9.08pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #294
So you are saying that Covid was produced as part of a George Orwell type of world yeh?
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#295 26 Mar 2021 at 9.06pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #293
Think i need to know what drugs these people are on so i can give up mine and live in a fluffy puffy world.
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