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Other reliable way to stop tangles on helis is to use the Gemini ARC leads. Clip up the hook to the release device(very simple) very reliable release and very few tangles even with uncoated braid. Unless you are using pop ups a foam nugget is good insurance. To check, on retrieve if the hook link unspins smoothly from the mainline you have been presenting properly, it has spun on the retrieve. Can definitely improve range. It does not remove the hooking and indication issues common to all helis at range. Which is a pity as that's when I use them.
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The helicopter rig was 'designed' or adapted, by Zenon Bojko I believe, to prevent tangles on the cast, but even braid will tangle on them. I know Rob Maylin mentioned this in one of his books!
The only ways I found to prevent tangles was to stiffen the hooklink with Kryston Superstiff I think it was or even is, it then relapses into a soft braid underwater, or by the heavy use of PVA. A stringer attached to the lead link clip, and the hook pushed through the PVA. It meant that the hookbait was going to be near the lead, but personally, I never found that a problem.
I tended to use helicopter setups in light silkweed or silt, but did find a few problems, that others have written about as well; hookpulls, possibly the shape of the hook, (inturned vs outurned or straight eye), and also reduced indication, which was increased at longer distances. I have had at around 130metres, fish move the lead some 15-20metres with only 1 bleep on the indicator. A lost fish to the snags on Nazeing did not make me happy, although the 28lb carp I had on a previous cast half made up for it. The 28 ran away from me, whereas the other fish ran towards me at an angle, possibly taking the stretch out of the line.
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In reply to Post #1
How far you casting?
This is what I use but 1 14mm wafter.
I make a small pva mesh bag with crushed boilie (mine is soft as home made)
Hook the hook of the ronnie into it then wrap about 6inches of pva tape around the lot making sure you wrap it so the boilie can't slide back down the shank. Do maybe 3-4 wraps and tie in a granny knot. Easy to cast up to 80-90 yards and perfect presentation everything.
Make sure you hit the clip softly just b4 it hits the water then feel down on a tight line and feel it hit the bottom. Job done, make sure you get a donk so you know you haven't landed in weed. Obviously do a few casts with just lead first and mark up the spot you want to fish with some pole elastic next to your clip when your happy with it, so you can keep hitting the same spot.
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As said below - Ronnies use a rig ring or swivel not a hair, if you want to use a hair on any rig and not using a PVA bag just use PVA Tape or string wrapped around the hair and hook shank and trap the main line as the cast hits the water which should straighten the rig out and kick anything out.
I have never used a helicopter set up myself, so not sure if it has any generic issues however.
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In reply to Post #4
I used them in the 90s with braid and stopped because of the issues.
I use the helicopter exclusively on sea fishing rigs with no issue and no issues using coated braids
Why struggle when things have moved on
You could have a point in using the Cortland stuff Though as I use their lines for fluff chucking so know it’s pretty good.
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In reply to Post #2
I use braid(cortland micron) it's the reason the helicopter was created to stop tangles, I'd go back 15 years mate and use your rigs you used. Proper back then..
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In reply to Post #1
Don't really use Ronnie's, but no hair on a Ronnie. If you want to use braid on a heli without the hassle of p.v.a use gemini arc leads. Works.
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#2 21 Oct 2020 at 10.10pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
Don’t use braid on the helicopter unless you pva it up
Personally I wouldn’t use braid on a heli set up I would use a stiffer material
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Hi All
Im comming back to carping after a gap of 15 or so years.
Yes tangles happen but last session i had the unfortunate occourance of reeling in 2 tangled rigs after they had been out all night...
Not good...
So whats going on..
Im using a standard Helicopter with 7" braid link.
Setup i like is a "ronnie rig" with x2 12mm boilies (popup on top, bottom bait beneath).
This has performed really well for me this year.
So the "hair" part of the ronnie rig was twisted all around itself.
Anyone have a tequnique of tieing the hair back against the hooklink or whatever....?
Thoughts ..?
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