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No you're not, shame, I had high hopes as well 
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#84 19 Nov 2020 at 9.24am | | | |
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I hope I'm not the only one who tried to check what their first post was and was a little disappointed to not find it.
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#83 19 Nov 2020 at 9.06am | | | |
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Well they won’t be doing it on my Lakes from next year, and I know three other Clubs who are banning them too, even Mr Fairbrass has banned them on all his Embryo waters as well I believe.
Bait boats are banned on Embryo venues but Deeper's are definitely not banned & currently (things could change) permitted on both the Embryo syndicates I am a member of. States in rules that can be used for feature finding purposes, not for fish finding ie going round every swim every visit looking for the fish.
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#82 19 Nov 2020 at 0.57am | | | |
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In reply to Post #76
Best reply ive ever seen on here 
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#81 18 Nov 2020 at 9.55pm | | | |
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#80 18 Nov 2020 at 9.29pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #76
Top draw insults, good work
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#79 18 Nov 2020 at 9.08pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #76
For a 2nd post that's a goodun.
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#78 18 Nov 2020 at 5.50pm | | | |
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#77 18 Nov 2020 at 4.42pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #76
I can see why that took nearly a month to compose. Quality 
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#76 18 Nov 2020 at 4.27pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #10
Then you Sir are a complete anus. And a bender
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In reply to Post #1
I'm sorry, but at 80 you should be made to retake a bait boat driving test. A shaky accelerator control could lead to some nasty collisions...
...with ducks.
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In reply to Post #73
I don't get this cheating word being used against who if your match fishing yes why are people so worried about what people are catching carp fishing is an individual sport I don't care if people catch ten 50s I would be pleased for them I concentrate on what I am doing in saying that saw a bloke using wraps and spoding fishing 25to 30 yds out in a puddle everyone else does an under arm flick
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In reply to Post #72
It's not always about the range, if you have an echo fitted it can be useful for finding a small clear spot in weed or a small bar/gully etc etc if that's only 20 yards out then so what
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In reply to Post #1
Definitely use one, I used to think it was cheating but now I think it's just another tool to do the job.
Just spent 48 hours on a lake and saw 4 people using them even though it was a 120ft cast t most.
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In reply to Post #1
Use a bait boat and stuff the critics,you fish for your own enjoyment,if I need to use a boat I’ll use one if allowed,not cheating at all,a lot of so called named anglers use them on a regular basis,if it helps you,go for it👍
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#70 29 Oct 2020 at 4.44pm | | | |
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one rule of bb's on a water I used to fish was, you could only use them to drop freebies/groundbait. but had to then cast to where you baited..not that I used a boat on there but I didn't mind them who did..certainly better than being pitched up next to someone spodding the granny out the place..
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#69 29 Oct 2020 at 3.57pm | | | |
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This thread has made me really think. My view of bait boats has been coloured by too many d heads using them with no regard to other anglers, fish safety, or even common sense.. I always said 'if you can't cast there, then you shouldn't be fishing there'
However on reading this I'm of a different mind. I'm lucky enough to be in good condition and casting isn't yet a problem for me. Reading the OP and a couple of others puts a very different view forward and I'm now feeling much less 'anti' about them (boats)
They will still be used in a variety of idiot ways by idiots and that will still get me riled but fair play to the fellas here who are simply using them to carry on enjoying angling. Makes perfect sense and anyone who gives you grief can sod off.
Tight lines fellas
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#68 29 Oct 2020 at 10.45am | | | |
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Using watercraft skills and many years experience gives me far more satisfaction catching than it would if I used modern methods.
By modern methods I assume you mean a baitboat? Eschewing all "modern methods" seems a bit drastic (especially as virtually all of them are old methods anyway). The thing is I now use a BB to put baits out distances and spots I was casting to before arthritis buggered it all up. Not over the horizon or into impossible places. The watercraft and many years experience is still being used (although I wouldn't big it up that much really) , it's just that I need a bit of assistance to get the bait there now.
Still get the satisfaction.
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#67 28 Oct 2020 at 7.18pm | | | |
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Exactly Underarm lob, on spot the size of a saucer 
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#66 28 Oct 2020 at 5.22pm | | | |
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what about baiting poles? are they cheating? most are only sold at 12 or 15 meters..im sure most able bodied people can cast that far...
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#65 28 Oct 2020 at 3.15pm | | | |
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Just
Best
Jon
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#64 27 Oct 2020 at 7.50pm | | | |
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As for fish craft and reading the water I am not impaired at all and have probably forgotten more than some of you will ever know.
These youngsters don´t know how good they have it . Instead of mouthing off to an 80 year old, take the time to have a cuppa and chew the fat ... might actually learn something.
Still considered middle-aged, but healthwise, i´m on par with a 90 year old, on a bad day.
Whenever necessary, all the help aids available, are definately put to use Try walking afew laps around the lake, climbing some trees, then lugging your fully loaded barrow down to the swim, when you´ve just completed a bout of chemo Puke your guts atleast 3 times, before finally getting to your swim.
Trust me, all those help aids make a HUGE difference, to the slightly impaired (not under the influence of Stella).
If you´ve made your mind up about getting out there on the bank, even if feeling poorly, being out there makes a world of difference for your journey to recovery. So no comments of ... if you´re feeling poorly, stay home
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#63 27 Oct 2020 at 6.38pm | | | |
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Well said Sir.
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#62 27 Oct 2020 at 6.34pm | | | |
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+ 1, though I don´t consider using bait boats is really fishing as I know it (being old school but not yet 80 years old), each to their own method though. Using watercraft skills and many years experience gives me far more satisfaction catching than it would if I used modern methods.
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#61 27 Oct 2020 at 5.52pm | | | |
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Mostly people just laugh at some old git using a BB to drop a bait 30 yards out.
Trust me mate, i´ve seen worse. A had a lad in the swim next to me(probably in his 30s), drop a bait (using a baitboat) about 2 rod lengths infront of his swim Honest to God´s truth 
You spent your hard earned, so do as you please ... ignore the sheep 
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#60 27 Oct 2020 at 5.20pm | | | |
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Not so much the thread Jon but the ********s who do such a thing
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#59 27 Oct 2020 at 5.10pm | | | |
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Hi All
Probably the most disgusting thread I've ever seen on the forum by far!!
Apparently it's ok to go at an 80 year old using a bait boat who's been abused on the bank
"perhaps you'd better give up then. You've had your go anyway - give someone else a chance"
Regulars posting constructive comments and there's the usual ****ers giving it the big one!!
If I get banned for this so be it,
But ****ing with an 80 year old carper, seriously??
Tossers!!
Best
Jon
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#58 24 Oct 2020 at 9.51pm | | | |
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I pray at 80 that i could still be fishing and if it includes using a baitboat to do so then sod all the snipers
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#57 24 Oct 2020 at 8.59pm | | | |
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I’d rather someone turn up next to me and use a deeper in there peg for a couple casts than thrash the water to a foam using a marker float for a hour ruining the chances of everyone near by
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#56 24 Oct 2020 at 7.34pm | | | |
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Quite frankly, who cares.
Other people’s opinions / sticking their nose in / making unnecessary comments / being derogatory is endemic in carp fishing.
F*** them. Just enjoy your fishing Sir and do whatever you like, within the rules and etiquette, of course.
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#55 24 Oct 2020 at 6.28pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #44
Mr Fairbrass banning them could be more to do with Korda and Deeper owners no longer working together allegedly
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#54 24 Oct 2020 at 3.31pm | | | |
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"perhaps you'd better give up then. You've had your go anyway - give someone else a chance"
Really!? FFS! 
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#53 24 Oct 2020 at 3.28pm | | | |
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I am only 65 but with bad and worsening arthritis in both of my shoulders and spine (along with other conditions too). When my shoulders are playing up I can neither cast far nor accurately. I purchased a baitboat earlier this year to assist me overcoming this. I only fish spots I could cast to anyway. I have had various comments from those being supportive all the way down to "perhaps you'd better give up then. You've had your go anyway - give someone else a chance". I was shocked at that comment I can admit.
Mostly people just laugh at some old git using a BB to drop a bait 30 yards out.
Of course that is only half the story. Hook something and it can really hurt to get it in. Oww 
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#52 24 Oct 2020 at 3.04pm | | | |
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Your right, he could use a submarine for me
End of the day it’s lake rules that dictate what can and cannot be done on the fishery where you are 
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#51 24 Oct 2020 at 3.02pm | | | |
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If they want to find fish they will have to learn some water craft, go spend some time watching learning instead of being so bone idle.
A Level playing field for all, the "Fish at all cost brigade" can go else where.
Bit of a traditionalist myself if I’m honest and finding the spots is all part of the challenge for me 
I agree though, a level playing field for all
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#50 24 Oct 2020 at 2.55pm | | | |
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Some of you are missing the point of the original post. The question was not weather bait boats in general were cheating, but about the validity of an elderly fisherman who is not as capable as he used to be being able to use one in order to be able to continue with the sport that he loves.
Or do you suggest that I just give up. As for fish craft and reading the water I am not impaired at all and have probably forgotten more than some of you will ever know.
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#49 24 Oct 2020 at 11.31am | | | |
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Thankfully bait boats are banned on all my waters. If you can’t safely cast to an area, you can’t fish it. Works well. It gives the fish a safe area to retreat to if they feel stressed, pressured or maybe after a capture. I don’t see that every area of the lake should be fair game. Healthy fish need a healthy environment. That includes safe areas, which get increasingly smaller if guys can fish at huge ranges or into snags.
I have to say I disagree with you on Deepers Keith. Like most waters these days, mine get very very weedy. On limited time, I could spend three hours in a swim leading about, dragging in huge balls of weed and creating a lot of disturbance, potentially ruining the swim for me and probably not making me too popular with other anglers in the area. With a deeper I can do maybe five quick casts, rule out 90% of the swim as unfisable, swap the deeper for a lead and just concentrate on the 10% ive quickly identified as potentially fishable. I also think there’s nothing wrong with spending the day in winter when no ones on the lake, mapping out each swim. Then in summer it reduces your marker rod useage again making less disturbance for everyone.
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#48 24 Oct 2020 at 11.06am | | | |
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As mentioned in my previous post I have used a boat yes to get to where you cant cast under overhanging trees etc to great effect.
Out of curiosity why is it deemed acceptable for someone to wade out and place their rigs under the same snags but a person using a bait boat its seen as cheating?
And you are correct the price of equipment is irrelevant. I was merely stating it to prove a point that even though it cost me a bit and state of the art I still prefer using my "water craft" as you called it. Well actually you said I am a bonehead and should learn some water craft before you changed your post but hey who's counting.
PS and you are right a boat in the wrong hands is a problem. But this can be said for a rod and reel also. Or an unhooking mat/cradle, rigs etc bascially anything to do with fishing
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#47 24 Oct 2020 at 10.54am | | | |
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No disrespect but you’re the one suggesting placing rigs through snags is expectable in post 41
The cost of a Baitboat is pretty much irrelevant – in the wrong hands they are all deadly if misused
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#46 24 Oct 2020 at 10.36am | | | |
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Depends on the snags mentioned. Surely no one in their right mind would drop a bait behind a snag where he cant see or have a way of retrieving his line? Also if he has done so he clearly isn't fishing his swims water.
That being said I have used my boat to drop a rig underneath a overhanging tree where you couldn't cast your bait and it resulted in a awesome 34 lbs mirror this year. Perfect example of scenarios where I use my boat to fish to snags where casting isn't possible
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#45 24 Oct 2020 at 10.33am | | | |
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Pal no need to start getting aggressive or start calling people names on here. Common decency should be a necessity and not a privilege!
As for your statement. I own a bait boat. Cost me £2400 and have used it twice this year. I prefer finding clear spots with just a lead on my marker rod as I find it more accurate then my toslon tf640. I also prefer my line lay from casting then dropping it coiled from a boat and spodding gives me something to do and I personally feel I can dictate my bait spread better.
That being said my local waters allow me to use boats and If I find a swim where the boat can benefit me I will use it without thinking twice. This is after all why I bought one.
As previously mentioned as long as the water allows boats what is your point? As you mention your lakes are banning them. Well there you go. No issue going forward
Might want to work on your keyboard persona getting upset when someone ask a legitimate question
Tight lines
EDIT:
I see you have no decided to edit your post making it bit less aggressive 
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#44 24 Oct 2020 at 10.26am | | | |
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Well they won’t be doing it on my Lakes from next year, and I know three other Clubs who are banning them too, even Mr Fairbrass has banned them on all his Embryo waters as well I believe.
If they want to find the depths- they will have to skill up and use a marker float.
If they want to find fish they will have to learn some water craft, go spend some time watching learning instead of being so bone idle.
A Level playing field for all, the "Fish at all cost brigade" can go else where.
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#43 24 Oct 2020 at 10.25am | | | |
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If you don't see an issue with fishing behind snags then you should not be fishing.If you have had to get around the snag to drop your rig how are you going to get the fish back around them.Irresponsible angling,potentially tethering and killing the fish
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#42 24 Oct 2020 at 10.15am | | | |
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How is any of what you said cheating?
First off using a boat to get around snags that's one of the perks of paying a lot of money for a bait boat. If the water allows it then what's the problem? At the end of the day if you are willing to pay you have the same privilege? As long as the area the person fishes doesn't belong to another swims water I fail to see the problem here?
Also talking about people mapping the lake and taking that swim. Again I fail to see the problem here. If the swims are clear with no bucket on it why would you not be allowed to take the swim? In my opinion if anything kudos to the guy who gets there first and does the effort to find fish in whatever way he can and set up. Is it his fault if someone pre baited the area without reserving the swim?
In my opinion its simple really. If the lake allows bait boats and everyone are allowed to use them it cant be classified as cheating. As long as that person fishes his own water that's registered to his swim and doesn't protrude into other peoples water he has done nothing wrong
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#41 24 Oct 2020 at 9.56am | | | |
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Unfortunately Baitboats & Deepers give the user the opportunity to cheat if the user desires to do so.
~ I’ve lost count number of times I have witnessed Baitboats being sailed behind snags, at the back of over-hanging trees at a far margin, around the left or right of a large protruding bush to get to some area it’s impossible to cast a rig to. And it always seems to take place when they think nobody is about to witness what they are playing at.
~ One of the latest crazes is to try and turn up before anyone else is about and cast a deeper about in every swim OR sailing a Baitboat in every area with a deeper /fish finder fitted until it shows fish, then set up in that swim, if the area the fish are congregated just happens to be an area someone else has been pre-baiting for weeks it does not matter, as they would never think of doing such things themselves
(This happened to a mate a couple of weeks back, there is no way on this planet the guy would have put a rig in that area if the Baitboat/Deeper combination had not shown him too)
Nothing clever about these actions, it’s just plain cheating – fish at all cost. They are being banned on our waters from next year.
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#40 23 Oct 2020 at 7.50pm | | | |
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Would only be cheating if the fishery states no bait boats
Enjoy your fishing mate and ignore all the tobys
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#39 23 Oct 2020 at 6.39pm | | | |
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There’s an 84 year old in one of my clubs who’s still rowing his gear across a 50 acre lake. Using a bait boat, I think you should be ashamed of yourself. You might catch fish, but they are meaningless. Your captures have zero merit.
I’m joking you cretins. Apart from the bit about the 84yr old
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#38 23 Oct 2020 at 6.02pm | | | |
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Hi Ernie
Still fishing at 80?, sod everyone and every rule!!!!
Just go out there and enjoy every minute of it.
As far as the bait boat is concerned "drive it like you stole it"
Best
Jon
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#37 23 Oct 2020 at 1.32pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #31
100% this
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#36 23 Oct 2020 at 11.58am | | | |
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In reply to Post #35
 Thanks for all of your comments and support guys.
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#35 23 Oct 2020 at 10.27am | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
So many silly comments made around fishing like most other things in life.
If the rules allow their use and it helps you and it's used responsibly then nothing wrong at all, good for you.
As for the stupid accusation, treat it with the contempt it deserves.
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#34 23 Oct 2020 at 10.06am | | | |
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Always makes me laugh the bait boat debate, see you can drive around in an actual boat, stick your head in the water like a Brown Bear looking for the spots, prod about with sticks to find the 'sweet spots' and drop your rig on 'the money', lifting it and repositioning it until it's 'bang on', 'hoof' in a bucket of bait, job done, now that's considered 'Carpy', in fact seriously 'Carpy'.
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having to still find your spots from the bank by either dropping a lead from a bait boat to feel the drop or using a sonar to interpret what (you think) the bottom is like, or both, is considered 'cheating', yeah right,
crack on mate and enjoy your fishing
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#33 23 Oct 2020 at 8.26am | | | |
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Completely agree on what others have said who cares what they say, your still out enjoying your fishing so do what ever you like mate. I don’t understand why people call it cheating? Who are you cheating it’s not a competition or anything like that is it.
I don’t use a bait boat anymore just because my lake doesn’t call for it but if I started fishing some where that did I wouldn’t hesitate to use one again.
Well done on still fishing I hope I am when I’m your age
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#32 23 Oct 2020 at 0.12am | | | |
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Always makes me laugh this. Cheating? Cheating at what? It's not like we're in a match or playing fishing against someone else.
As long as we have respect for our surroundings, other anglers and our quarry who gives a rats ass how the fella in the next peg gets his baits out? If you don't like bait boats then don't use one...they're not for me, but as long as someone is using it sensibly and without causing havoc I couldn't care less.
Do what you have to that lets you keep getting on the bank buddy!
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#31 22 Oct 2020 at 10.00pm | | | |
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As others have said congratulations on still going fishing at 80, I hope you're still catching your fair share and you obviously still enjoy it so good on you.
What sad piece of work complains that it's cheating for an 80 yr old to use a bait boat, that's an awful thing to say. If it was my lake you would be free to use a bait boat as much as you like and he'd be looking for another venue.
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#30 22 Oct 2020 at 8.17pm | | | |
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I think if I make it to 80 I will be using a bait boat rather than casting I already have a bad back at 30 so by that time I will be screwed so tell em to sod off and enjoy your fishing
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#29 22 Oct 2020 at 5.46pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #28
Danny Fairbrass i assume
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#28 22 Oct 2020 at 5.38pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #15
Who is Danny?
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#27 22 Oct 2020 at 5.16pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #15
Thanks mate, nicely said.
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#26 22 Oct 2020 at 3.49pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
Cheating implies it is a competition and I've never thought of fishing as a competition, I do it for myself and I couldn't care less what other people think, the same as you shouldn't mate.
Carry on and feel free to carry on enjoying fishing
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#25 22 Oct 2020 at 11.24am | | | |
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Thats brilliant that commin sense is applied. The "thats not fair" brigade are just embarressing to be honest. Like I said, fishing is about enjoyment, people go to relax, away from lives pressures to unwind. The last thing you want is people whinging and moaning at you, potentially driving you away from a sport you love.
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#24 22 Oct 2020 at 10.43am | | | |
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I use to belong to a club that had a no baitboat policy at the time there was 1 disabled angler in the club who was allowed to use 1 no one complained and most had the opinion of good on you still getting out there and enjoying your sport
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#23 22 Oct 2020 at 10.33am | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
Who are they cheating? If someone says using a boat is cheating? Cheating who? I didn't realise pleasure angling was a competition?
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#22 21 Oct 2020 at 11.06pm | | | |
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Tell them to mind there own business.
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#21 21 Oct 2020 at 9.36pm | | | |
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I have seen many of the top anglers on videos go out in a boat to land fish and that’s never considered cheating.
Enjoy your fishing and carry on using your bait boat.
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#20 21 Oct 2020 at 9.12pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #19
We've got to draw the line somewhere and I draw it past bait boats but before castable sonar devices.
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#19 21 Oct 2020 at 8.30pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #7
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#18 21 Oct 2020 at 8.20pm | | | |
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I've never understood people who say a certain method is cheating. Unless you are in a match then who cares? I think there are alot of jelous anglers out there who have nothing else better to do than moan at others and tell them how they should or should not be fishing. Go out and enjoy it, if yoy aint breaking any rules, you are doing no wrong.
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#17 21 Oct 2020 at 8.11pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
Cheating? If you're fishing for your self there is only the rules you set! Oh and the fishery rules. You don't wanna be getting kicked off
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#16 21 Oct 2020 at 6.44pm | | | |
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You’ll only get accused of cheating if you’re out-fishing them, I’d take it as a compliment
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#15 21 Oct 2020 at 6.40pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
Rowing out in a boat, with sonar, and dropping the hookbait is cheating
Who gives a rats a$$, just get out there, do your thing and enjoy  Next man can go bust one out, if bored. Fish for yourself mate, and avoid moaners. at all costs.
80 and still getting a bend in "your" rod Danny should get you on the team, with full sponsorship, including a new ride No need for the bus pass Respect mate
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#14 21 Oct 2020 at 5.17pm | | | |
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Baitboats arent cheating at all IMO, more fool those that are too stubborn to use them in some circumstances. Never used one myself but wouldnt hesitate, in fact a baitboat forms part of a plan for one water I intend on fishing in the future.
You'd be surprised just how many well known anglers/ well known captures have involved a baitboat...Terry Hearn and the Parrot being a good example
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#13 21 Oct 2020 at 5.05pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #12
Thought the same myself when I read it
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#12 21 Oct 2020 at 5.04pm | | | |
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#11 21 Oct 2020 at 5.01pm | | | |
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Don’t worry sir what anyone thinks just enjoy your angling.
Be safe on the bank.
80 and still enjoying our passion .
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#10 21 Oct 2020 at 4.51pm | | | |
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If I owned a fishery bait boats, digital/electronic technology would not be allowed. In the case of the elderly, frail or disabled, no problem with bait boats, it is what such artificial aids are for. Hope you continue to enjoy your fishing for many years. In your situation definitely not cheating.
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What I also love about this post. 80 years old, still fishing and able to navigate the internet.
Respect and if you ever see that idiot again give him hell
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In reply to Post #7
It is cheating. Real anglers use only their bare hands. Pouncing on margin side carp and wrestling them onto the bank
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In reply to Post #6
just tell 'em "look son, if you're still fishing when you're 80 years old, then you can tell me what to do. Until then, **** off".
simple. Good for you still getting out, respect 
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In reply to Post #4
Why is it cheating?
Its a fishing tool that anyone can use if they can afford it or lake allows it. Saying its cheating is like saying spodding is cheating or someone with a basia rod/basiair reel setup is cheating as they can cast further then the next bloke on his £50 setup lol
Unless you are not allowed to use it but the guy next to you is then how you can call it cheating is beyond me
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In reply to Post #1
Feel free to use whatever floats your boat . Ignore the knockers
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In reply to Post #1
in some cases i think so,in your case no way, its helping you and its ok i think
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In reply to Post #1
Never cheating using a Baitboat
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In reply to Post #1
Can't see a problem really if it helps you get on the bank and fish still and as long as you're sensible with it mate
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i am 80 years old and I can't cast far or accurately any more. Is it wrong to use a bait boat. I was accused of cheating when simply pleasure fishing.
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