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In reply to Post #12
You've still got to fish well. Those staggeringly successful anglers I have fished with are fishing differently because they think differently. They know carp and think like them. They also know water, weed, silt and other anglers.
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In reply to Post #6
Had exactly that myself a few times, showing like dolphins over me all night for nothing come the morning..... the next trip, zero shows yet 1 carp banked- can be strange creatures at times.
Just gotta stick at it
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I started on a water with a particular bait which worked particularly well, and I caught most trips. I was also putting (sneaking) bait in when I left at the end of the session.
A year later I used a different bait, (field testing) yet despite doing the same style of fishing, still baiting when I arrived and left, fishing the same spots I struggled. For some reason, the new bait just would not work on that water, although other people testing for the bait company were catching elsewhere.
The next season, another new bait, yet this time I went back to catching almost every trip. The new bait also worked on other waters on one off trips, and produced straight away when I moved on another water on the complex.
I rarely think bait is the problem of me not catching, it is usually my getting other things wrong, location, or disturbance, yet that particular year I am convinced it was the bait. My rigs were working, the same rigs produced a year later, the baiting situation and spots worked a year before, and the year after.
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In reply to Post #1
. . .have personal experience of where bait selection / application can matter . . .
Was fishing a 12acre syndicate water at least an hours drive away . . .was fishing a bait I had absolute confidence in (PP60) but it just didn't seem to have the impact it did on other waters / France / everywhere else. Did manage to wrangle a few out on the third rod with chods / single hookbaits / sweetcorn in the edge etc but was getting increasingly frustrated as I would regularly turn up, apply my bait, be on fish and blank. To make matters worse the locals would then turn up on the opposite side of the lake - flick rigs out and catch - sometimes within 10mins!
After a bit of digging and watching (binoculars are your friend) it transpired they were loading it up with a locally produced fishmeal, spread baiting at least 5-10kg at the end of every session and in key areas of the lake before leaving. They'd then return two-three days later and fish the pre-baited areas with small PVA bags and zero freebies . . .and make it look easy.
There was no way I could compete with this (even though I started to poach their areas with the PP60 still with little if any effect) as it seemed whatever they were using was far too established - I didn't know many of the members and was effectively fishing solo. This was either going to cost me a fortune or I'd have to continue casting to showing fish and getting lucky . . .
After bribing the baliff for info with Tea I eventually bit the bullet and jumped on the bandwagon by using the same local bait and unsurprisingly, results became a whole lot more consistent within a couple of sessions.
On this basis my advice would be to do the same - if your mates are doing the pre-baiting for you then it would seem daft not return the favour . . .
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In reply to Post #2
Agree but I haven't caught anything on this bait on the syndicate hence the confidence isn't there!
The bait I used to use and had good results on is no longer available 
But you are right!
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It does make you question yourself.
I've got one Bream to show for my last 5 trips.
And so have decided to take at least a couple of weeks off from fishing, so i don't get too frustrated.
I suspect with more Anglers out on the bank there is an abundance of food for when the Carp want to feed and they are choosing to be picky and cautious and just taking a small sample from each mound of bait they swim across.
That's my excuse anyway!
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In reply to Post #5
Tell you what, narf a load of pi**ed off anglers watching my mate hauling with him laughing and singing like a lunatic. I know what he's like, he more than likely rubbed their noses in it just coz he's a **** like that. Done it enough times to me, though it's funny when the shoe is on the other foot. He literally hates it. Lol.
Just watched what the other guys did, applied a bit of brain power, and hey presto... success... Bosh 
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In reply to Post #2
Obviously location is important though I wouldn't make it 99% important.
Some weeks ago I had show after show on my spots and a big fat zero in the way of a rippin take. Either they were on a hatch of some description, crashing for the sakes of it, or just doing it to wind me up. Exact same bait, same baiting spread/tactics worked before and after...no idea. Hooks were proper sharp and came back clean as you like. Another angler came around and said "you have got hooks on haven't you?".FFS!
Location, observation, presentation + time.
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In reply to Post #4
Did he catch some scaley bangers?
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In reply to Post #1
Seems to me like you're finkin too much mate. Unless you're using poison or some mental bright hookbait they've been cained on for ages which they're avoiding like the plague, you'll catch soon enough. You checked your hooks are sharp enough, you're not fishing with a dodgy rig of some description?
I'm best supposing you're fishing a smallish water that you expect your rods to rattle off before your fifth session, am I right? If I'm right, those small waters can be a pain in the arse and quite tricky.
Yeah there are some excellent attractors and stimulants available that are pumped into baits that work exceptionally well which I've messed with myself, but even cheap bait does the business. A mate of mine literally emptied a tough pit not so long ago which was and probably still is fished by some very good rods. All my mate was using was dog food. Like Billingsgate it was. Smashed a bang load in the middle of the pit and just sat on it waiting for the rods to rip...
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In reply to Post #2
Defo. Iv had 1 fish in 9 nights whilst others have caught. Mainly due to the mass numbers of fish in those areas and not mine. Not that I mind as the big or elusive ones are hopefully more likely to turn up for me... I hope Keep at it mate
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In reply to Post #1
I wouldn’t start swapping bait from what you are confident in. Blaming that’s a cop out imo mate, 99% of it is location.
If you’ve not been able to fish where you want then you’re clearly ending up in the wrong place... using a different bait isn’t going to change anything in those circumstances.
I’ve not had a bite since Feb on my syndicate  . I’ve not fished much, it’s a lot busier so I’ve not been able to get on them and the weed growth was massively delayed which resulted in them spending a lot of time in the snags. I wouldn’t dream of blaming bait for the lack of action.
If you’re regularly on fish at bite times and you’re not getting bites when you really think you should be, then maybe look to change things up.
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Back from another blank session #5 of this season... compared to last year I can't seem to put a foot right.
The group of 4 lads have been using a new test bait and doing really well on it and I've very tempted to switch over to that as at least I know it works in there. Plus they will be doing the prebaiting for me to an extent.
I know it's not all down to bait as it's been busy on there and I've not been able to fish where I would have liked so may have not been on the fish all the time.
It's a funny water as some baits just don't seem to work as well...
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