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Yep you're right Noj. MSM don't help
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#120 9 Aug 2020 at 11.31am | | | |
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Most of them had trousers on at (start of) the Tory Xmas do so I’m told 
It comes as no surprise that the ****s told not to go to the beach also left rubbish in their wake. As I said on another thread, most English people are ****s; it’s just a matter of scratching the surface a little and true colours always come out.
There’s a park near me that have served beers and food right through most of lockdown, some loophole they’ve found. The place is awash with plastic pints, torn Rizla packs and DISPOSABLE bbqs which haven’t been disposed of. If you get there at the right time you can experience the lesser spotted local slags in their natural environment shouting and swearing... makes it ideal for kids, of which they usually have 3 or 4 
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#119 9 Aug 2020 at 11.19am | | | |
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to quote Chuffy
i agree with most of it
not so sure if Boris could buy me off with the Brazilian swimwear models though - don't those lads all wear speedos?
off thread a little - but related after the littering with masks bit / selfish idiots...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/08/rubbish-piles-beaches-sunseekers-ignore-pleas-take-litter-home-13102266/
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#118 9 Aug 2020 at 11.01am | | | |
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I agree with most of it
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#117 9 Aug 2020 at 10.39am | | | |
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“Perhaps the guidance needs rewording for the idiots“
You have just summed up the last 6 months there mate. The government have been up against it/them from the off and there was no winning.
There’s always been those too stupid to assess the risks themselves, those who don’t give a **** about themselves or others, those who understood the situation and felt belittled by advice below their level of intelligence and of course those who Boris could’ve allocated blow jobs from Brazilian swimwear models that would’ve managed to find fault in the technique or allocated time slots.
Government can’t govern each individual personally, we are just numbers.. it’s all about damage limitation to services and sadly careers.
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#116 9 Aug 2020 at 10.25am | | | |
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 my mate Greta...
You are right though. FFS - 'I wore my mask in the shop and now I'm done with it so I'll just chuck it on the floor'
Perhaps the guidance needs rewording for the idiots. something along the lines of
'Masks must be worn in shops. Following this, if your mask is disposable - PUT IT IN A BIN YOU MUPPET'
Not as catchy as 'stay alert' but what it lacks in style it makes up for in clarity I think
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#115 9 Aug 2020 at 10.03am | | | |
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I see no problem in people wearing masks to try stopping transmission in communities, doing it at this stage makes complete sense as numbers are at a level they can be monitored. Though I’m not a fan of wearing one myself so do my best to stay out of shops etc. They should’ve been mandatory from the start but we can’t turn back the clock.
The worrying thing about the situation is the amount of masks and gloves worldwide that are now laying in the streets, rivers, beaches and seas. Amazed Mal’s mate Greta hasn’t piped up about it. They’re bloody everywhere and will be for centuries!!
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#114 9 Aug 2020 at 9.34am | | | |
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The bit about the media brainwashing us into thinking it dangerous. You cant really compare infection rates of normal flu (been around for ever so therefore widely spread already) to this (been around a matter of months and killing many already). It's the long term effects that are most worrying, the life changing lung damage the main thing for me personally as an asthmatic. Your post seemed somewhat blasé to me chap that's all, and people being blasé are the main reason it's spreading and getting worse again
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#113 9 Aug 2020 at 3.00am | | | |
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/never-has-a-virus-been-so-oversold
don't agree with all of this but its certainly a different slant....!
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#112 9 Aug 2020 at 2.25am | | | |
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Hi,
I'm not sure why you feel I'm not taking this seriously, believe me I am. My wife's astmatic, I took my kids out of school a week before we were told. I was making home made hand sanitizer .... all sorts..!
in Feb I was Scared, why wouldn't I have been with all the media doom and gloom hype flying round the globe.
I question things that's all, I don't sit back and allow media outlets to fill my head with ****. If nobody questioned the actions and decisions of our leaders we would be living in an authoritarian state. I'm honest and that's that.
I certainly havn't been in a shop without a mask - I don't agree with the masks at this stage of the Virus, like I say its a move to encourage more people to go and spend money - but I still wear one - for your sake....
I work with 2000 people on my site, we all went back to work mid-end of April ... guess how many cases.....5.
The Science has been wrong from the outset, I mean its understandable - science is science. The idea was to flatten the curve so it spread out across the summer - but luckily for everyone the Peak came much earlier than expected...its been on a downward trajectory for 12 weeks.
the figures are ****..... Why do they not tell us how many tests have been done in an area, then tell us the percentage of positive results to negative results? all they say is "due to a spike in corona cases" well that's not saying much, its worthless info...on the whole there could be a massive downward trend but its just so happened more people go out for tests so you see a spike.
Peoples mental health really worries me, some rational info with helpful positive messages is badly needed. 2 years worth of suicides in 4 months.....not great.
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#111 6 Aug 2020 at 5.25pm | | | |
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Tbh the vast majority of people were being careful and considerate 
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#110 6 Aug 2020 at 3.05pm | | | |
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#109 6 Aug 2020 at 12.50pm | | | |
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It was you, I thought I was hearing things for a minute 
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#108 6 Aug 2020 at 11.45am | | | |
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I flew into Gatwick this morning and noticed an unexpected advantage of mask wearing. They offer almost complete anonymity when making offensive comments to strangers!
I got two 'its supposed to cover your nose too, ****er' and one 'sit down, ********' in this morning, and their 'who said that?' looks were brilliant.
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#107 6 Aug 2020 at 10.14am | | | |
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/05/couple-who-laughed-coronavirus-change-tune-falling-seriously-13089108/
Just one example of many...
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#106 6 Aug 2020 at 9.54am | | | |
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"The UK government declassified the virus in March into a lesser harmful group"
IIRC that was done to change the PPE requirement. The reasons for that are well known.
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#105 6 Aug 2020 at 9.00am | | | |
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Well said
I guess Manchester police see it as a scam, that why they are declaring an alert , same as others that are looking for potential lockdown areas 
A major incident has been declared by authorities in Greater Manchester following recent rises in coronavirus infection rates.
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the decision was taken to help agencies respond "as effectively as possible", including with extra resources.
People "should not be alarmed" by the news as it was "standard practice", Manchester City Council said.
Greater Manchester is one of the areas subject to new lockdown measures.
The new restrictions announced on Thursday - that also apply in east Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire - ban separate households from meeting each other at home.
The new rules also ban members of two different households from mixing in pubs, restaurants and other hospitality venues, but those businesses are permitted to remain open for those visiting individually or from the same household.
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#104 6 Aug 2020 at 8.59am | | | |
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Absolutely
Regardless of the stupidity of politicians, this is killing people. I'm sick of selfish morons refusing to simply act in the best interests of those around them.
There are plenty of people already regretting their decision to label this a scam, and there are grieving families who probably wished they had taken it more seriously too.
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#103 6 Aug 2020 at 8.57am | | | |
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#102 6 Aug 2020 at 8.49am | | | |
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If it's to do with protecting peoples careers in office it's not working all that well.
Talking of flu then the flu season normally starts in late autumn, what with the masks, less travel and peoples awareness I wonder if we will have less flu this year?
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#101 6 Aug 2020 at 8.08am | | | |
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My two pennies worth here. Do people that refuse to wear a mask expect the NHS to stop wearing them too if they are so useless??
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#100 6 Aug 2020 at 6.56am | | | |
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I don't know anyone who has ever died from the flu in all my 42 years on this planet, I know 3who have died from covid. Says everything I need to know to me. The long term effects aren't known as yet, but it seems to cause irreparable lung damage to people which as a chronic asthmatic makes me very nervous. People like you who don't take this sort of thing seriously are the reason why it's going to come back with a vengeance
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The UK government declassified the virus in March into a lesser harmful group. The whole Idea of lockdown was to save the NHS from failing, which it never did, likewise none of the new emergency hospitals got used. The lockdown was not to protect you.....it was to protect the politicians careers from going down the pan if they were seen to have ****ed this up and the hospitals were inundated with dying victims.
the Government guess on death rates is about as accurate as my casting after 10 pints, 90% of the deaths are people who are very old or with serious health condition ...or have poor immune systems for some reason or another.
A massive majority of infections are asymptomatic ....
here's the best bit....
the nearest thing we have to compare it to is Influenza.
On Direct Gov there is the winter flu reports going back X amount of years, very interesting reading - Google it..... During Feb / March each year according to the governments very own report....the confirmed cases peak around 30 people per 100,000.....That's with an average of 50 to 60% of the population having taken the vaccine offered to them in the autumn.
The current infection rate for Covid is 14 People per 100,000 - NO VACCINE
So why every year are we not mandating masks or face covering to protect all our elderly people and care home ladies and gents.... ?
The Media have ****ing brainwashed most of the globe into thinking this a seriously dangerous virus, where actually your more likely to catch flu....every year of your life.
The decision making process on this 5 months in is shameful, its literally based around how to protect the careers of the people in office, the politicians, the so called health experts, the NHS chiefs etc etc. Wearing masks is **** all to do with protecting me or you or anybody. its about protecting people being shamed and ruined by the Global Media paltforms.
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Jon, I always Thought the non carp section was for posting crap.......Fishing threads are something different though....... 
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#97 31 Jul 2020 at 11.31am | | | |
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rather than 'im not ill' ...'I'm not professionally diagnosed' may be more appropriate!?
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#95 31 Jul 2020 at 11.04am | | | |
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You should crack on with the mask-free look Wayne.
It lets people know that you're a bit special without them having to go to the trouble of finding Carpforum and reading all the crap you post here.
Public service innit?
Mind you, some kind souls might assume you've got some medical condition like asthma that prevents you from wearing one. Have you considered getting a 'I'm not ill, I'm just a ****' t-shirt printed?
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#94 31 Jul 2020 at 10.57am | | | |
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Always up early Jon, especially if I know I have had a few takes during the night....... 
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#93 31 Jul 2020 at 10.15am | | | |
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Me too...
Sorry fella. Couldn't miss that one
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#92 31 Jul 2020 at 10.03am | | | |
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my wife regularly tells me I'm a demon in the bedroom!
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#91 31 Jul 2020 at 9.53am | | | |
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#90 31 Jul 2020 at 9.42am | | | |
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Posting at 4.40 am?
You scared of getting shafted by a demon in your dreams if you go to sleep Wayne?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/07/28/stella-immanuel-hydroxychloroquine-video-trump-americas-frontline-doctors/
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#89 31 Jul 2020 at 9.30am | | | |
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#88 31 Jul 2020 at 9.22am | | | |
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Clickable link please Keebs......
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#86 31 Jul 2020 at 4.40am | | | |
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Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.............cheers lads.......
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#85 30 Jul 2020 at 9.22pm | | | |
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Stay alert mate ,beware people asking you to bend over ,
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#84 30 Jul 2020 at 9.13pm | | | |
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How hard is it to wear a mask , i don't get it !
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#83 30 Jul 2020 at 8.58pm | | | |
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if you wear a mask the government will know you're compliant and will accept the mandatory vaccine containing an RFID chip 
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#82 30 Jul 2020 at 8.57pm | | | |
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Mate there are selfish people everywhere, second wave wonder where that came from.
Next will be the badge of honour "i worked through with CV, it didn't stop me"
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#81 30 Jul 2020 at 8.44pm | | | |
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Sadly there are a lot of selfish people around who put everyone else at risk , how hard can it be to wear a mask , cases are on the rise again , people are actually bragging about not wearing a mask , really ! ar**holes
Maybe we should start talking about the best coarse of action for the second wave which sadly i think is just around the corner , maybe send all the idiots off to a little island where they can all happily infect each other 
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#80 30 Jul 2020 at 6.26pm | | | |
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Wayne. .. you've been challenged for a long time fella....
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#79 30 Jul 2020 at 6.11pm | | | |
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No mask for me and have only been challenged once so far.........which I won...
Well done. You must feel very proud.
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#78 30 Jul 2020 at 5.15pm | | | |
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#77 30 Jul 2020 at 5.05pm | | | |
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No mask for me and have only been challenged once so far.........which I won.........
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#76 30 Jul 2020 at 2.09pm | | | |
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Brilliant
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#74 30 Jul 2020 at 1.55pm | | | |
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#73 30 Jul 2020 at 1.51pm | | | |
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This should cheer you all up
Link
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#72 30 Jul 2020 at 2.49am | | | |
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Sorry mods for my going off topic.
As post number 2 said the Arktis masks are ideal for anglers. Certainly carpy enough; about 20 or more different camo and plain patterns. I have the monkeyclimber branded Arktis ones, just because I was ordering some stuff from them and added masks to the order, and at the time the UK Arktis site was suffering from stock/supply problems.
One colour of camo hurts my ears more than the other, but I think that is due to slightly different lengths of elastic rather than any optical or stealth effects.
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#71 29 Jul 2020 at 3.35pm | | | |
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oh I didn't know..
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#69 29 Jul 2020 at 12.31pm | | | |
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#68 29 Jul 2020 at 11.23am | | | |
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Phantom of the Opera is to close for good. Hardly seems fair as he's been wearing a mask for years. ...
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#67 29 Jul 2020 at 6.38am | | | |
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You know it goes on your mouth right mate?
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#66 28 Jul 2020 at 9.04pm | | | |
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I know how you feel,I’m in the same boat.
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#65 28 Jul 2020 at 6.42pm | | | |
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me being hard of hearing is a right mare going out, yes I wear one.but shopping is funny asf..aint got a clue whats going on around me
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#64 28 Jul 2020 at 6.39pm | | | |
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I was in the supermarket the other night and a guy with a mask and gloves on, the lot, suddenly without warning sneezed his ring up into his mask, the look on what I could see of his face was priceless, he suddenly realised he had to continue his shop with a face full of whatever just flew out of him, me having a sick sense of humour found it hilarious and had to walk off giggling to myself (under my mask of course), if only some sort of tissue material existed to deal with such situations
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#63 28 Jul 2020 at 4.53pm | | | |
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Not sure why anyone would want a "carp" mask tbh, maybe they will become the new dirty spoon or engraved kettle.....
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#62 28 Jul 2020 at 4.18pm | | | |
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It will be interesting to see whether those that were following this in the General section will carry on following it in Non Carp or whether the relatively small audience in the Coronavirus thread will take over.
I hope it's the former as it was interesting to get some fresh opinions
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#61 28 Jul 2020 at 3.13pm | | | |
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pretty sure that the advice from WHO and international experts back in March/April was that masks should be worn, our government went with the narrative that they aren't effective and that we had our own experts.
Call me cynical but I think they knew full well that they do offer protection, but the fact that we were going into lock down, combined with the 2m distancing in public meant they were kind of unnecessary. Then consider the ppe cock ups, they knew we had a shortage so carried on the narrative of masks not helping so people didn't buy up all the stocks. Now subsequently we have a situation where people don't believe the current advise and get all huffy about human rights.
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#60 28 Jul 2020 at 2.33pm | | | |
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59 posts. Kept on thread for 4 of those...4.
off to the non-carp section
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#59 28 Jul 2020 at 2.18pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #58
True
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#58 28 Jul 2020 at 2.17pm | | | |
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Not that odd imo, this is the general carp discussion page.
Of course the thread was started by a request for carpy face masks (whatever they are) and was hijacked lol.
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#57 28 Jul 2020 at 2.10pm | | | |
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What an odd post 
Seeing as there's thousands of British people that have died, still over 9 million British people furloughed, over 2 million self employed British people on government pay schemes and 3 million British people on the dole of some description. Lawyers applying for bar work, X number abroad facing self isolation on Universal credit when they get back and second waves of the virus spiking in many countries. Yes another, but on possible prevention of the spread of the virus, no joy though.
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#56 28 Jul 2020 at 1.27pm | | | |
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Oh joy, another corona thread
Anything in this one that hasn't been covered in the big one?
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#55 28 Jul 2020 at 12.34pm | | | |
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I'm loving it
I've got a couple of really cool all black ones and I pretend to be batman or Adam ant (stand and deliver era obviously)
Gonna try and find one with a photo realistic print of Brad Pitt's face on it... Can't hurt to try eh?
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#54 28 Jul 2020 at 12.05pm | | | |
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"Perhaps some of us object to living in police state conditions that are justified by a dubious virus that is no worse than winter flu."
"winter flu" or more accurately Influenza has treatment, vaccines & antibodies
"dubious virus" or more accurately COVID 19(Coronavirus Strain) has no effective treatment, no vaccine & no antibodies.
pandemics are beaten with collective effort, your decision not to wear a mark could/can inadvertently mean you can 1. catch the virus, 2. spread the virus. Your actions do not only affect you and as such your decision not too wear a mask is selfish & reckless.
personally i think a fine of a £1000 should be placed on anyone not following guidance as it is them whom are costing the tax payer more money as a result of their actions.
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#53 28 Jul 2020 at 11.51am | | | |
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Get a grip people?
I see one, maybe 2 guys on this thread "moaning". One questioned their usefulness and the other said it's "annoying" having to wear one (but wears one anyway). The huge majority are arguing in their favour with some saying we should have been doing it for much longer. Hardly grounds for that post surely?
There are spikes/lockdowns all over the world, including the UK (Leics, Barnsley, Bradford etc). You're not alone mate.
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#52 28 Jul 2020 at 11.34am | | | |
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Get a grip people ....try living herein Spain we have to wear masks the moment we leave our properties and the only time we can take them off is when driving alone in the car or at the beach or in a bar when eating or drinking at the moment its 38C and believe me its uncomfortable to say the least but its the law ( imagine wearing one all day at work outside in this heat )...and we are on the verge of going back into lockdown ( my neighbouring municipality has gone back into it ) and we will probably do it as well in the next 2 days or so because people did not obey the law about wearing masks and we have had massive spikes in cases of covid_19 ...so when i read about people in the UK moaning about having to wear one in a shop FFS
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Got to the counter and asked the shop assistant if she could guess who i was. Said she didn’t know and asked if I’d give her a clue ‘so I burped’ and she still didn’t get it until I told her I was Dick Burpin.
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#50 28 Jul 2020 at 10.29am | | | |
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The way I see it is initially we didnt EVEN have enough for our hospital staff and doctors to wear ? so all these muppets bleating on about we should have worn masks from the start
2 reasons
1. we didnt have anywhere near enough masks
2 . medical advice THEN was it wasnt that effective
Flawed logic imo Gerry. We are not mandated to wear masks, we are mandated to wear face coverings. There was never any shortage of scarves, snoods, et etc.
As for medical advice saying it wasn't effective, but now it is? I think that says a lot about our experts tbh. If they needed data from other countries to prove that face coverings help limit the spread of a virus that is transmitted through respiratory droplets then we are in a lot more trouble than I thought.
Imho the advice from the government has been all over the place right from the start, and continues to be all over the place. Of course it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight but we continue to see it imo.
So to call the group of lads questioning this muppets is not the one for me mate. The muppets are the ones that are running this **** show imo.
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#49 28 Jul 2020 at 9.04am | | | |
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I agree with this entirely, badly handled from the start.
I think the first recognised and tested hospitalised case of Coronavirus was on 24th January. That will not be the first Coronavirus case in the country. China finally admitted a problem in late November or December. Flights from China should have been stopped, instead they were still coming in until lockdown in March.
Our 14day self isolation for incoming passengers, was originally 7 days in the early days of isolation.
Surgical masks, face coverings DO NOT prevent you catching coronavirus, they prevent you passing it on.
They do stop you passing it on, by catching your sneezing or coughing in the mask, although when wet from moisture will allow them into the environment.
However, as habit, I cover my face with a handkerchief, tissue or napkin when I sneeze, preventing that going into the air. I cover my mouth when I cough.
The tiny aerosol particles can get through a mask, even more so a damp breath ridden one, unless the mask is rated as Biological and Chemical. It would need to be worn in conjunction with eye covering, visor or safety glasses.
When I was having one of my PTSD counselling sessions a couple of weeks ago my counsellor recommended I download an exemption certificate, with some of my notes and their address.
I have not had any problems going into shops. My local co-op all know I suffer with Autism and PTSD, no-one asked when I did my grocery shop in Sainsbury's, and when I filled up at the petrol station, and had my Exemption certificate handy, the young lady behind the counter said "I can't enforce mask wearing, I do not know if you are disabled and exempt, and I don't want confrontation, that is £31.80 please"
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#48 28 Jul 2020 at 7.06am | | | |
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Absolutely
I hope anyone reading my posts don't get the impression that I won't wear a mask or take into account anyone's uneasiness, that's not the case. I'm just offering up an opinion for whatever that's worth.
I do find myself thinking, how long is this going to go on for, you know? Like I mentioned in a post in reply to your post in respect to the person coughing in a tackle shop. The reason I mentioned I replied like I did was just the hint of someone displaying signs of a cold could well have people running for the hills.
I won't downplay Covid, I know someone who supposedly died of Covid (stage 4 cancer bloke) I'm generally questioning where we are right now with the ongoing response to it. I'll throw my hands up and admit that I'm deeply cynical - generally speaking - and highly sceptical of the numbers; aside from the crazies/nutters some well researched analysis of the numbers shows that things are not what we've been lead to believe... meaning, just as a for instance my cancer mate.
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#47 28 Jul 2020 at 0.39am | | | |
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Well said
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#46 28 Jul 2020 at 0.09am | | | |
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The problem we've got is that wearing a mask is an inconvenience to some. Those who don't wear one only care about themselves it seems.
Wearing a mask is a social benefit, it benefits the wider community. The more people who wear masks the lower the infection rate and the sooner we return to normal. Sadly we live in a country of me, me, me. Selfish whinging twonks whining about how it's such a hard ship. These are the same people that clapped the nhs staff but will turn a blind eye when nurses are excluded from the payrises and made to pay up to £70 a day to park at their job.
It's simple really, wear a mask, potentially save a life.
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#45 27 Jul 2020 at 11.02pm | | | |
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I respect your opinions also, if we can't discuss difficult subjects amicably then we are nothing. I respect everybody's opinion as long as they are willing to discuss it. Fingers in the ears is the only opinion I don't respect.
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#44 27 Jul 2020 at 10.48pm | | | |
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You've got deep held concerns, I respect that.
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#43 27 Jul 2020 at 10.44pm | | | |
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My other half is convinced it's all a ploy to keep the public in a panic about the virus so that when a vaccine is ready to be peddled out to millions of unsuspecting people by Bill Gates we will all readily accept being injected by unproven chemicals that will be used to control the population and make Bill Gates even richer.
And that masks don't work.
And that the virus has only actually killed 1300 people in this country who didn't already already have severe underlying health problems.
And that track and trace is being developed purely as a way of controlling the population.
Now I don't agree with her and can obviously see how properly worn masks can prevent infection, however I am worried about the effectiveness of any vaccine, we have been developing flu vaccines for years now and they are generally 40-50% effective, maximum. The thought of fast tracking a vaccine and essentially skipping a whole raft of tests and checks to inject it en masse into an unsuspecting and naive public worries me.
Sorry got on a rant and didn't answer OP's question. I have no idea of anyone selling fishing masks.
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#42 27 Jul 2020 at 10.23pm | | | |
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Yes, but are you willing to snog them to find out if it is a common cold or Covid?
If not then you should both be wearing masks.
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#41 27 Jul 2020 at 10.14pm | | | |
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And here's the rub: maybe they've got just the common cold???
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#40 27 Jul 2020 at 10.12pm | | | |
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Put it this way, if I am in the same tackle shop as someone who is coughing their guts up or sneezing their head off I would feel 99% safer if that person was wearing a mask. Reverse the situation and the other person would feel safer, therefore it is a benefit to everyone.
Also: Mental health, I get the worry, but without physical health/life there is no possibility of mental health so measures for physically protecting the population must take priority in the physical world. You can't fix the mental health of someone who is dead from the virus. People who have anxiety issues about seeing people in masks would be advised to avoid shops and public transport for the benefit of everyone.
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#39 27 Jul 2020 at 9.58pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #36
flobbing..hence why the bame count is high..and why I've ditched working in and around tower hamlets..
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#38 27 Jul 2020 at 9.56pm | | | |
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1st paragraph
2nd paragraph...hmm.
I can see.your point and to a large degree its correct, like a poster said earlier, bio suits are the only *real* protection. Stating the obvious, I know [shrug].
I can't help thinking that this is all just an over reaction with the effects of those over reactions being very, very long lasting well into the future. Take people's mental health for instance, we're social beings and being separated from one another for long periods of time has a deep physcological impact as many well documented studies have shown.
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#37 27 Jul 2020 at 9.52pm | | | |
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I should of stayed in Vietnam early march..bloody safer..
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#36 27 Jul 2020 at 9.47pm | | | |
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The UK government handled Covid19 badly from the start. Every important decision they made in the early days was at least 2 or 3 weeks later than it should have been and their advice has been ambiguous at times rather than crystal clear. Thousands of lives could have been saved with earlier restrictions on international travel, earlier lockdown, and a proper contract tracing system in the early days when it would have actually been workable because the numbers would have been low. Wishywashy dithering idiots who couldn't even protect themselves from catching the virus and then let their "advisors" (or is that puppetmasters?) flout the lockdown rules with no comeback.
And to those who say that the masks (or face coverings) will not stop you from catching the virus because they are not medical grade, or you can get the virus in your eye, you are missing the point. The main reason for the mask rule in enclosed spaces is to stop people who are infected, who either don't know or don't care, from accidentally flobbing or sneezing or coughing the virus into other people's faces.
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#35 27 Jul 2020 at 9.42pm | | | |
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No, not at all. Just not being specific as to reasons because not all the information has been collected, collated and processed.
Your analogy of phones? Meh. Why don't we just stick to the virus, mkay?
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#34 27 Jul 2020 at 9.01pm | | | |
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So you are basically contradicting yourself?
First it’s Sweden have no problems and they didn’t go full lock down. Then it’s Belgium have worse and they did lock down. Then it’s we won’t know, lol!
All this aside, the science is still out there on whether masks are effective, but for the time being it seems sensible to risk a few boomers being uncomfortable to wear a mask, if the upside is there.
There was a point when we put telephones into cars, and crashes happened, people died. Once we realised that phones and cars don’t mix, we banned them. No one complained about them being too late to act. We accepted it and moved on.
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#33 27 Jul 2020 at 8.54pm | | | |
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Well the propaganda pumped into everyone's nut on the daily sure made people think it was.
People I know were literally freaked out, and when I said 'well, it's not like the Black Death is it,' reaction? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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#32 27 Jul 2020 at 8.45pm | | | |
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I've always been of the mindset that the government were knackered either way. If they had gone the way of Sweden, no doubt the Prime Minister would have have been accused of having blood on his hands so to speak, lock the place down, accused of mashing up economy for instance. Nightmare position to be in.
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#31 27 Jul 2020 at 8.45pm | | | |
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Spot on
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#30 27 Jul 2020 at 8.41pm | | | |
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I thought same thing - went into the supermarket yesterday and many of the staff not wearing masks. Really makes no sense and many customers were taking theirs off after seeing this. Total farce. Would have made sense to me back in April, but now infection rate are low and social distancing/awareness in place, really... it just isn't necessary IMO and they offer jack in terms of protection - virus can be absorbed through contact with eyes or ears - so unless you're wearing a full bio suit... what a sh1t show this country has become. The ONLY reason to wear a mask is because you have to. Still too many knobs out there who can't cope if you walk within 6 ft of them. I always have a little cough when I come across them
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#29 27 Jul 2020 at 8.38pm | | | |
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Masks do work just not the ones 99% of the population are wearing, from the ones described on here from tackle companies etc to the throw away Blue ones most seem to like, absolutely pointless.
Funniest thing is you can also pick this up from surfaces so one without the other (gloves) again makes the whole thing pointless.
Wearing a mask is a bit like only fencing 70% of a lake in the hope you keep the Otters out.
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#28 27 Jul 2020 at 8.38pm | | | |
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Belgium with a population of over a million plus more people yet double the death rate of Sweden?
It's going to take a long time to sift through the data to come to any real conclusions, say like age of population more likely to be affected, ethnicity makeup etc.
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#27 27 Jul 2020 at 8.29pm | | | |
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Been the plan all along, just dressed up in frilly knickers to limit hysteria.
And the reason masks weren’t on the agenda at the start, everyone was meant to be in lockdown and those who went out were well aware there was a potentially deadly respiratory virus about. If you really need telling a mask may help in those circumstances you’re probably not going to be a loss to mankind
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#26 27 Jul 2020 at 8.24pm | | | |
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Said it so many times, it's not like the Black Death
Well done. You're right. Give yourself a biscuit. Problem is, no one else has said it is like the Black Death. What it is like, is a virus that can spread fast, bugger up your local hospital and be spread by people who don't know they've got it.
I've said it so many times, carp fishing isn't much like basketball.
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#25 27 Jul 2020 at 8.20pm | | | |
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We're going to have flare ups until all the susceptible people have caught it and died, and herd immunity is established. Which was the goverments plan in the first place, until thousands of people dying made them bottle it for fear of the backlash about doing nothing. Now they are going to do the same thing subtly and hope nobody notices. Be prepared for distractions in the press and tv.
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#24 27 Jul 2020 at 8.18pm | | | |
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This the same Sweden that has one of the worst deaths to population tallies in Europe, and by far the worst of the Nordic countries (all the others locked down)
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#23 27 Jul 2020 at 8.06pm | | | |
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I find it annoying have to now go into shops wearing a mask.
I can sort of understand the logic behind wearing masks from the start, but now? Isn't that like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted? And...what about Sweden. Didn't go full retard like we did and they look golden now, whereas us, no doubt we'll keep having flare ups.
I'm still undecided whether it's suspicious or just that the government are being forced to cater to a baying crowd, you know, like those same types that like to flex their leftist muscle getting people de-platformed for the most trivial of things.
Said it so many times, it's not like the Black Death.
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#22 27 Jul 2020 at 7.49pm | | | |
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Exactly. Face coverings. Just something to basically stop you spraying the poor bugger you're talking to with a fine mist of gob, which could contain Covid-19.
Nothing medical, nothing complicated, and certainly nothing to complain about.
Unfortunately the Great British Public contains so many halfwits that the govt couldn't say this before, because they wouldn't have understood or wanted to understand the difference between face coverings and masks, and would have been elbowing pensioners out of the way to get medical masks, nicking them from hospitals and generally causing havoc. Just look at bog roll and hand sanitiser a couple of months ago.
Anyone do one with a massive carp's gob printed on it?
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#21 27 Jul 2020 at 7.22pm | | | |
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That’s exactly my thought, the industry I work in involves wearing masks all the time and our suppliers were selling everything they had in stock to the NHS , consequently there were none available for general sale.
As they are now more readily available we are being told to wear them which I am totally in agreement with but I can’t help thinking that we would have been wearing them weeks or even months ago if stocks were not in short supply.
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#20 27 Jul 2020 at 7.21pm | | | |
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They’ve actually said to wear face coverings, not masks, which are to be used by medical staff.
They want us wearing them to protect others not ourselves. The ffp3 masks I have for work expel all the air and filter on the intake so essentially it’s no better or worse without it for the purpose the government want.
And now I’m almost out I have to breathe in mdf dust or pay top whack for ffp3 or respirator filters.
So ‘mask’ shortage isn’t a valid argument, the cheapo blue ones are as useful as a chocolate fireguard for doctors and nurses in icu
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#19 27 Jul 2020 at 7.18pm | | | |
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Totally agree with Gerry. However in my experience, the percentage of people wearing them on public transport is way too low and enforcement is virtually nil. I've always been of the opinion that it's pointless to introduce a new law unless it's going to be vigorously enforced.
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#18 27 Jul 2020 at 7.14pm | | | |
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The way I see it is initially we didnt EVEN have enough for our hospital staff and doctors to wear ? so all these muppets bleating on about we should have worn masks from the start 
2 reasons
1. we didnt have anywhere near enough masks
2 . medical advice THEN was it wasnt that effective
however since then time has elapsed we got enough masks now AND more importantly and its now pretty much a PROVEN CASE that masks can and DO make a significant reduction in cases as the other countries that mask wearing was made compulsory are doing so much better that other countries that havent 
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#17 27 Jul 2020 at 6.12pm | | | |
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Some might say people with that attitude are selfish ****s....
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#16 27 Jul 2020 at 6.00pm | | | |
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It's mortality rate may not be all that impressive, however virtually none of the population has immunity to it.
The dubious virus had our ICU running at 5 times normal capacity with a few members of staff being treated - we've never had that from flu.
Pure mortality rate figures don't really give the full picture, length of treatment required for those who survive, long lasting disability, morbitiy, capacity of the system and impact on other services all need to be considered.
Even if you are not at high risk wearing a mask may save someone else who is. Even if 100,000 people had to wear masks to save 1 person I'd say it's worth the inconvieniance.
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#15 27 Jul 2020 at 5.49pm | | | |
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Mate, save your breath.
Johnny, I'm all for your free speech, do as you want, just don't go anywhere near others as they too have a choice not to be risked by you 
If it might help...and I mean even the smallest %age of a chance why would anyone not wear one, I don't get it is it worth risking getting it at all..if your answer to that is yes, get all your like minded mates, find a Island somewhere and stay there and cede your right to NHS help
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#14 27 Jul 2020 at 5.41pm | | | |
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You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you? But a tool, yes. Idiot.
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#13 27 Jul 2020 at 5.37pm | | | |
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What I find crazy is the people in the shops are not wearing masks but telling me to wear one
If you are trying to enforce it then you stick to the rules
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#12 27 Jul 2020 at 5.32pm | | | |
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Stay indoors, stand here, stand there, wear a muzzle, do as you are told or face a fine.
Perhaps some of us object to living in police state conditions that are justified by a dubious virus that is no worse than winter flu.
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#11 27 Jul 2020 at 4.48pm | | | |
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Because now things are getting opened up again, more going back to work, us who have been shielding going back out into public, all can have a drastic effect on infection rate, so with that masks being one way of slowing it down maybe? I can't see why anyone has an issue with it, after all it's only in shops etc
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#10 27 Jul 2020 at 4.47pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #8
The reason they didnt tell us to rush out and buy masks at the beginning is because all the panic buying idiots would have created an even bigger shortage for the NHS
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Can't put my finger on exactly why but the idea of wearing a mask out and about is something that makes me feel very uneasy and in honesty it will limit where I go and what I do when the rule is enforced in Wales, noting it is not mandatory apart from on public transport, which I am avoiding partially for this reason. At the moment I am working from home but when the time comes that we are forced to go into the office I will have to bite the bullet and get on the train as this is the only feasible way for me to get there, until then will stick in the car and on my bike, but will have my charity bought mask (not charity shop as my boss thought I was referring to when we had this conversation last week) for that time
As Yonny says, I also feel that this is a step that if being taken should have been taken a long time ago and very much feels like closing the gate once the horse has already bolted
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In reply to Post #7
I can see the logic for their use. It's the logic of mandating their use several months after we should have been doing it that I don't get.
*Have to say I don't get the logic of a mask with added carp tax though lol.
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In reply to Post #6
Infection rates falling dramatically nationwide for weeks, without masks. 2m separation in place. I cant see the logic for there use.
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In reply to Post #5
Why are you against them?
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In reply to Post #1
Anglers Against Cancer charity are doing fishing, camo face masks. Given I am quite against the idea of wearing a mask I thought what better way of getting one than by contributing to charity at the same time since it is now compulsory to have one in many places
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In reply to Post #1
Wolf tackle
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In reply to Post #1
Fortis are too....
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In reply to Post #1
Arktis
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Any one know of some one selling/making fishing style face masks
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