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In reply to Post #12
That’s a bit of a bugger!
The helicopter/chod I use is naked most of the time, I use a Korda helisafe clip on the end but set not to eject and 15 lb fluro straight through with a no trace bead, this set up will present in most situations.
How to do this without a leader or naked ??? So gotta figure out how to do that, just a guess without trial rigmarole braided tubing and a rubber bead that’ll fit over the tubing but come off easily so it’s safe, lead clip on the end then a tail rubber Or a Korda helisafe set to eject then a bead and a ring swivel for the hook link etc that’ll pass freely along the tubing another bead and then maybe a couple of float stops to semi fix the tubing in place? Tricky to make this safe
You might have to go with a long supple hook link I guess
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In reply to Post #11
Doing it 'naked' as they say is the easiest way to get into heli set-ups really, but be warned, once you've used them and realise how versatile they are (and how well they cast) it's difficult to then use anything else 
This is how I do it and I'll list most of the bits from the Korda site rather than from all over the place but obviously you could get equivalents from Bank tackle etc
Naked Chod System Link
Kwik links Link
QC Ring Swivels Link
4mm Rubber Beads Link
ESP Helicopter Rig Sleeves Link
Set up is easy, thread one of the naked chod sleeves (the sinker looking thing) on the line/leader, then one of the QC swivels, then the small chod kit bottom stop (I usually don't bother with this) then the Helicopter Rig Sleeve. Tie the Kwik Link on the end of the line and that's it. Just add the split safety bead to the chod sleeve and attach a lead (I remove the swivel) to the Kwik Link and slide the sleeve down over it.
Finally tie your hooklink of choice with one of the 4mmm beads on it and a loop at the end, this can then attach to the QC swivel and slide the bead over it to hold it in place. Doing it this way makes changing hooklinks quick and easy and also for getting them off the line when you have a fish in the net.
The top bead position is then adjusted to be further from the lead than what you think you are fishing over debris-wise, be it 6 inches of silt or 2 foot of weed. Jobs a good-un.
One last thing, if fishing a chod rig rather than say a hinged/stiff I substitute the Rig Sleeve for a Chod Rig Sleeve Link
Hope that all makes sense 
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In reply to Post #10
The lake I fish has fairly deep silt. At present I have still been using semi fixed in line lead set up, been catching but not as much as expected. So was looking at the heli set up. But rules are, no fixed leads, semi or running only, no leaders or naked, 18" minimum tubing. What's the best option? I was thinking of having the lead on a lead clip to start.
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I hope I’m not stealing a thread here lads!
I have ecently looked at going over to a Heli Setup as my lakes have an increasing amount of weed. However I have no idea where to start.
I would probably like to try a ‘naked’ setup. Alternative to this am I right in thinking another option is the Korda Dark Matter Leaders?
I have seen the Korda kit that is available but have absolutely no idea how any of this works (noddy alert) Any help would be very welcome (with regards to component arrangements etc)  
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In reply to Post #9
Heli system in silt will normally presents better than a lead clip system, leadclip plugs and then the hooklink usually stick straight up if you're using a stiff hooklink. move the beads up on a heli system and your lead will still plug in the silt but your hooklink should sit on the top of the silt, drawback is indication.
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In reply to Post #8
I completely agree however the one thing is, determining how deep the silt is. Is my lead plugging 6 inches into it or just an inch? To be fair I have been using 10 inch hook links in the really silty areas and have been getting takes, but just wonder if a heli system would offer an even better presentation
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In reply to Post #5
Lead lips in silt can offer many advantages if you get your thinking cap on.
Same with heavy weed.
1 - increased lead weight once the lead plugs in.
2 - thinking cap on, you can have your hooklink behave as though it's twice as long as it really is in silt
3 - As with point 2 the fish would mostly hit your hookbait first in silt and last fished in heavy weed.
Point 2 and 3 assuming the fish approach from behind the rigs and onto the bait.
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In reply to Post #6
Nice one, ill give it a go 
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In reply to Post #5
Should be absolutely fine, as long as your casting is sensible.
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In reply to Post #1
To follow up on this, my syndicate has a leader ban but there are some very silty areas so I have been thinking of using a naked heli setup as opposed to lead clip with longer hook link lengths. Do you reckon a semi-stiff hooklink on a naked heli set up would be fine or would i be asking for trouble with tangles?
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In reply to Post #3
Great I will give it a try, thanks for the replies
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In reply to Post #1
The helicopter rig was originally designed minimise tangles with supple braids which were heavily used at the time.as it rotated round the mainline in flight
So you'll have no problem with stiffer materials
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In reply to Post #1
Semi stiff is fine mate.
Just keep an eye on it as it goes out.
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when using a helicopter set up on a lead free leader, can you use a semi stiff coated braid with out getting tangles? Or do you have to use a stiff boom?
Thanks.
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