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In reply to Post #1321
Given their history with vaccines?
Pfizer I'd imagine manufacture hundreds of different vaccines and medicines every day, used by 100's of millions. BioNtec have been doing what they do successfully and growing for years also.
When you say without the usual rigorous testing, I presume you mean the length of time comparable vaccines take to gain a license. Mate, this virus is a global pandemic, the kitchen sinks been thrown at it by government's, scientists and clinicians. Not like any other vaccine situation in history. The way I understand it to shorten the usual time frame, instead of a linear process all aspects of the vaccine development/testing have been "stacked". Meaning all parts of the process are started simultaneously in parallel. Obviously shortening the licensing timeframe.
Add into that, the trials are not being run on the whole age range of populations, children aren't part of the trials. Again you shorten the timeframe without compromising your "rigorous" testing.
The only thing they won't know is longevity of the vaccine for obvious reasons, but powerful modelling will give a probable answer.
Not many people are comfortable with being injected with anything, seems you've already made your mind up 
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So , Labour , under Starmer want to censor msm to stop conspiracy theorists and the negative impact on the covid vaccine .
The real problem is , tackling the lack of trust between us and them , or , the system, all the anti vaxxers and the conspiracy theorists pumping shi* out daily would fade away if we could trust those that inform us !
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In reply to Post #1308
I know the video was from my article. The question was do we trust them given their history with vaccines? We need one that's for sure but is it right to push one through without all the rigorous testing that is normally required? It's a big call that someone has got to make. Would I take take it? As I am in an at risk group I would have to. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it though.
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In reply to Post #1319
It’s for our benefit though G, otherwise some third world Mickey Mouse outfit would step in. They create a lot of jobs so I can see why they get the support
I agree though, somebody is making some £ somewhere along the lines but that’s how business works I guess?
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In reply to Post #1315
The point i am making is that big pharma and their lobby groups have been successful , at our expense !
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In reply to Post #1314
Is the earth flat...... 
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In reply to Post #1316
Exactly
And the Russians, just like the Chinese, they like to pinch it 
And licenses, they don’t give one 
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In reply to Post #1315
Once a company applies for a new drug license and it's granted they're given a 10 year exclusivity on the manufacture of the product. So you've got 10 years to make all your money back and make a profit, before it can be produced by anyone in China/India etc and given a generic name. Hence high prices for some treatments.
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In reply to Post #1314
Big pharma is the perfect example and epitomises how capitalism has become corrupted and needs resetting
I used to work for a company that spent 15 billion a year on R&D, not to mention the crazy wages paid to 1000’s of some of the best professionals in the world and 5 - 10 years product development before release, not to mention the reverse chemistry and blockers to stop people copying it, and not to mention the ones that don’t make it
Take some paying back that lot, that does not include the multi, multi million pound manufacturing plants and overheads around the world. So big investment, so you can expect some big returns required 
I think your problem could be the greedy shareholders, the investors required to make this happen who want a return on their investment, that’s business I guess?
I can really appreciate people’s frustrations though when some of the medication costs around £5k a pop 
The good news is for us mere mortals it is FREE on the NHS while it lasts!!!
Maybe the government should own the R&D, manufacturing plants and pay for this lot too?
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When i listen to anti vaxxers and their arguments against vaccines , i would put them in the same bracket as flat earthers
Some of the people employed by big pharma companies are the scum of the earth and create misery for millions just for a few $$$, well a few billion $$$ ,as proved time and time again ,one of the worse recent cases for me was the opiate /opioid crisis here and America , millions of addicts created for a few quid , these people are not your mates , the world is desperate for a vaccine , i will definitely take it but would like the tests to be a bit longer and a few more peer reviews completed first , but , i suppose if i was on the "at risk " list , i would be more than happy to have it
Big pharma is the perfect example and epitomises how capitalism has become corrupted and needs resetting .
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In reply to Post #1312
because Facebook frank said that big pharmacy is controlling my life and wants to make my sperm full of nanobots who will grow up to take over the world PMSL 
Facebook Frank
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In reply to Post #1310
Aptly put
I'm exercising my human rights to not take a vaccine that could save my life, stop me from infecting others and thereby protecting their lives and saving important NHS resources all at the same time... because Facebook frank said that big pharmacy is controlling my life and wants to make my sperm full of nanobots who will grow up to take over the world
Ffs
If Pfizer is good enough for Pele then it's ok by me
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In reply to Post #1310
Agree
I only have one concern. It is been rushed through so quickly, usually they take YEARS to develop
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Staggering, isn't it, that life expectancy has continued to increase the world over despite 'big pharma'.
They develop medicines which increase the quality of life for billions, and make a profit. What's so wrong with that? Don't like it? No problem - Crack on in the woods with your pestle and mortar and leave the NHS in peace.
If you're offered a vaccine and turn it down, then you should be offered Covid treatment equal to the value of the vaccine you've declined if you contract it. I reckon that would be 2 ambulance crew taking about six paces towards their vehicle then turning around, let alone getting in it and starting the engine.
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In reply to Post #1306
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NON Carp stuff