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Politics - Not needed on CarpForum, thread locked
Go Google Andrew Lawrence and enjoy some of his videos OFF SITE
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In reply to Post #3118
if the overall consensus was in favour of the illegal immigrants
It's not about the forrins, it's about the RNLI. The blokes in the lifeboats. Saving folk.
Honestly, you're obsessed wiv 'em!
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In reply to Post #3119
Awww schools out !Makes a change from your vacuous diatribe 🤡
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In reply to Post #3119
Anybody seen Mr Blonde, Spinbowler or Dez in the same room?
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i see the bull **** echo chamber has had fun today...
some things to consider. If you don't like being called a queue jumper, then don't behave like one. works for racism too..
Dez - your posts are strangely familiar... same semantic tone, same chip on the shoulder about a perceived (often mistakenly) 'Lefty' label to anyone who might oppose you, same vocabulary and phrases along the lines of 'you're a minority who will never get in power'.... couldn't quite put my finger on it and then a little bird whispered to me...
anyone seen spinbowler lately?
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In reply to Post #3113
Quite simple the fact that the population of the UK is 68 million you do the maths !! Surely if the overall consensus was in favour of the illegal immigrants the donations would have been in the millions 😂
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In reply to Post #3115
Britney Spears is free  
For a giggle can our Lefty friends give this a bit of Left Wing spin?
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In reply to Post #3115
Ref your last line, exactly right you dont know. If indeed it was one person then that would mean the majority agree with the NF statement, you cant have it both ways.
Fair play, you said tight buggers which is no doubt nearer the truth, there are three other recent posters who would have used the word racist.
I'd guess it was more to do with not knowing about the story or caring one way or the other tbh.
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In reply to Post #3114
Can you explain the very low % versus population?
Eh? What's that supposed to mean? % of what? Versus?
If you mean the 'low sum donated per capita' - Easy, the country's full of tight buggers.
Point is, they got an awful (3000%) less tight when they saw Nigel having a dig.
Edit: re your second question - I've no idea. Do you think it was George Soros and Bill Gates?
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In reply to Post #3113
Can you explain the very low % versus population?
Can you tell me if that was 2 people at a 100k a time, 200k at a £ a time?
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In reply to Post #3110
Laughing. I'm laughing.
3000% increase in donations following Nige's moan about them, wasn't it?
Can you explain again how this proved folk agree with him again? I'll try to keep a straight face, promise.
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In reply to Post #3108
See post 3105, you just can't help yourselves.
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In reply to Post #3108
Awww Leroy bless 😘
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In reply to Post #3109
Still bleating on about the paltry £200 grand what’s that 0000.35 pence per inhabitant of the uk 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #3108
Recent RNLI donations would suggest otherwise
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I certainly hope the majority of the country isn't as unpleasent as you two.
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In reply to Post #3106
And the majority of the country.
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In reply to Post #3105
Fortunately their petty name calling is falling on deaf ears in my case 😂
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In reply to Post #3104
You would have to be a blind man to not see from this thread what the Left are all about.
In a few pages 3 Lefty's have called posters nasty and thick, 2 have used the race card and 1 has used his and their top Trump of trying to shut the conversation completely.
This is all because you question them or disagree. Fortunately they are a tiny minority in this country.
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In reply to Post #3103
Typical Leftie tactic for shutting down conversations they find uncomfortable or the facts don’t suit their narrative 😂
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In reply to Post #3100
And we have a Lefty full house🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
You're a racist
You're thick
You're nasty
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And with that gentlemen. I bow out.
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In reply to Post #3100
So you condone the rape of children then ? Funny how this seems to get a few people’s backs up 😉
Nothing cloaked about it Pakistani grooming gangs or are you unaware that this was going on unlike the Labour councils . I recall the National outrage when Saville Harris Clifford et al were outed & rightly convicted yet it seems certain parts of our society are willing to accept even defend the very same crime when it’s committed by let’s say Asian Gentlemen 🤔
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In reply to Post #3096
Oh and we are full circle back to cloaked references to brown people. 'Certain demographic'
You began with the steering towards the northern sweatshops
Beaten back by facts that Leicestershire is Tory we have pulled the Tommy Robinson Top Trump Card out of the pack.
And a lovely cheery little wink at the end to celebrate.
Hopefully celebrating how clever you think you are being and not the historic sex abuse of vulnerable young girls.
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In reply to Post #3097
www.rfi.fr/en/economy/20131125-one-million...
www.eurofoodbank.org
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In reply to Post #3097
Read my post below 3086 😉
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In reply to Post #3092
What fact is incorrect? That you were wrong
And that uk has 2000 foodbanks while.germany had 1300?
Despite you saying they had a similar amount.
As for France. I can't get any accurate figures that match from different sources . Where did you get yours?
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In reply to Post #3094
Indeed you could liken it to all those labour run councils ooop North where a certain demographic were given Carte Blanche to rape white children shocking isn’t it 😉
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In reply to Post #3084
Why? Because I asked a question that you may not like the answer to?
I don't know one way or the other do you?
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In reply to Post #3090
So you are saying something quite rotten is happening
Under our Conservative Govt and more specifically
In the Leicestershire area where as I said a quick Google for facts shows 7 Conservative incumbent MPs
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I was once told to always vote in an election on behalf of the most vunerable person you know.
Why do people get so angry with the idea of people less fortunate than them being helped? I genuinely dont get it.
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In reply to Post #3091
Your fact is incorrect tho !! Similar no in France pesky Tories
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In reply to Post #3087
Not so.much flawed as numerical fact.
Everything else is 'agenda' or madeup nonsense.
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In reply to Post #3088
It was widely reported in the MSM a later part of last year ! I best not say too much about it or our resident SJW might label me a Racissssst
In June 2020, the Labour Behind the Label campaign group published its evidence on conditions in some of Leicester’s garment factories. The report exposed Dickensian working conditions, where people making clothes primarily for online retailer Boohoo were being paid as little as £2.50 per hour – the national minimum wage is currently £9.30 – and given no adequate protection from Covid-19.
The following month, Anti-Slavery International, along with a number of organisations, sent a letter to Home Secretary Priti Patel calling for urgent government action to ensure that workers are protected from unscrupulous employers, and for brands to ensure that they are sourcing their garments responsibly. The government has since promised an investigation. While we welcome the announcement, we and our partners will keep up the pressure to ensure that the investigation:
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In reply to Post #3085
As per usual the Lefty response, if you go against their mantra or question them its not intelligent. Embarrassing.
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In reply to Post #3081
Get on to the Leicestershire MPs about that if you have proof.mate.
7 conservative
1 independent
2 Labour
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In reply to Post #3083
Again a flawed argument to suit your agenda, fewer food banks yes but twice as many individuals could be using them.
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In reply to Post #3083
BBC so not to be accused of quoting some Right wing rag 2019
Claim: There are more food banks in Germany than there are in the UK.
Verdict: We have not been able to find any evidence to support this claim. According to available statistics, Germany has about 2,000 food distribution centres - the same as the UK.
Short presentational grey line
As Labour launched its election campaign on Tuesday, party leader Jeremy Corbyn pledged to end food-bank use within five years.
Speaking on the BBC's Politics Live programme afterwards, Paul Scully, Conservative Party deputy chairman and candidate for Sutton, Cheam and Worcester Park, said: "There's more in Germany than there are in the UK."
Is this true?
Food banks provide food to those who may otherwise go hungry - and the number of parcels handed out has climbed in recent years.
Labour wants to make sure people don't need them any more. Mr Scully said the Conservatives also "want to make sure that people have less need for them, certainly, but you can't just ban them".
There are 2,000 food-bank locations in the United Kingdom, according to a House of Commons briefing paper published in October.
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In reply to Post #3082
Absolutely everything is a possibility.
Not sure that really guides intelligent debate though.
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Dez you have an incredibly unpleasant view on things.
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In reply to Post #3075
www.google.co.uk
Germany has 930 Foodbanks so less than half UK
They also have a larger population 83 million
Vs our 66 million.
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In reply to Post #3079
Do you think everyone using them needs to or are they a way to subsidise other parts of people's lifestyle?
I'm not saying they are by the way but it's a possibility.
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In reply to Post #3079
Bloody hell. If it goes on like this we will have workhouses like in Oliver.
I believe there already are in Leicestershire in the Garment industry
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In reply to Post #3077
I think the fact is there will always be poor people, there has been since time begun, no government in the world will change that.
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In reply to Post #3073
I think it works perfectly. Many people have no concept just how many foodbanks we have but they are aware of loads of McDonald's.
By your first reaction you clearly didn't believe it either.
2000
Bloody hell. If it goes on like this we will have workhouses like in Oliver.
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In reply to Post #3077
Now you’re just being puerile 😂
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In reply to Post #3075
Thats ok then.
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In reply to Post #3075
We're there thousands dieing of starvation pre 97? After all there were poor prior to then.
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In reply to Post #3074
Ironically the Trussel Trust did open its first food bank in 1997 …….. Things can only get better 🤷♂️Unfortunately it’s not just a British problem Germany has a similar amount of food banks !
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Food banks are all the lefts fault. Or brown people. Probably their fault too.
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In reply to Post #3072
You're correct but it's not a great analogy, chuck in Burger King and KFC and the reverse is true.
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In reply to Post #3071
Sure. I never post anything that Cant stand up.
www.google.co.uk
I'm sure that's mainstream enough.
There are 1300 Macdonalds
And just over 2000 Foodbanks.
Better to look yourself than follow a link from me.
And you can click on some foodbank stuff and see why we have them too.
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In reply to Post #3066
Can you back up the bit about food banks and McDonald's? Have you got a mainstream link?
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In reply to Post #3065
Again what have I posted that is remotely racist ? Their ability was clearly lacking or was it because they’re underprivileged multi millionaires ? of course you could always make a formal complaint to plod about my overt racism 🤡
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In reply to Post #3064
There's better ones
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In reply to Post #3062
Double post
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In reply to Post #3062
Very true, but shouldn't posts calling people racist because they happen to have a different view be deleted?
The only trouble is if you take the race card away from the Left or Right they'd have nothing to say.
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How long is enough before someone stops blaming the last government?
Do you not think that TWELVE years is not enough time ?
Another way to look at this is it's been 42 years since 1979..... the Tory party have been in power for most of them and we have less police,less nurses, hospitals, A+E departments, schools, teachers, youth services, mental health services, midwives, firefighters etc....
Yet we have 2 TRILLION pounds of debt and more food banks than we have McDonald's restaurants.
But yeh. The Billionaire newspaper owners say socialism is evil
So people that have more in common with a homeless person than a Conservative MP vote Tory.
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In reply to Post #3055
post 2869
quote - 'Let’s hope they’re not POC then like the 3 stooges or there’s no hope for them 😂'
making a comment that a person is less able to do something due to the colour of their skin. need any more explanation?
you think you're being clever with your posts - never actually coming out and 'saying it' but consistently posting negatively with mention of race and colour - however, a lack of intelligence will occasionally result in a slip eh?
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In reply to Post #3063
The most ironic post in history 
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In reply to Post #3061
I'm not missing the point, ironically the Lefty's should be dancing with joy, they love a bit of censorship.
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In reply to Post #3060
Abusing the little authority you are given makes you a bell end.
It doesn’t matter what side you stand, you can’t censor the other side. Especially if you are there to police it!
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In reply to Post #3060
You're also missing the point.
He's a mod, he shouldn't be taking sides and defo shouldn't be threatening to censor replies that don't align with his beliefs.
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In reply to Post #3058
Question for you Noj, don't you think certain people using the race card as a weapon makes that person a bell end? Not to mention calling people thick if they don't agree with their Left Wing agenda?
I think you'll find the general consensus in this country right now is they are sick of the Left and their agenda? Why do you think Corbyn was so detested and Labour took such a beating in the polls?
The Left just don't get the mood of decent folk, Diane Abbot and the deportation just being the latest out of touch reaction.
I see Extinction Rebellion are planning on shutting major London roads again this month, yet another nail in the Left Wing coffin.
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In reply to Post #3057
You seem to be missing the point
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In reply to Post #3057
Don’t know why you’re clapping. The general consensus is that he is a bell end
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In reply to Post #3048
👏👏👏
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In reply to Post #3053
As I’ve already said point out anything I’ve posted that’s racist! ! Ironically you labelling anyone who doesn’t share your warped opinion a racist is ok !!
“If it wasn’t for double standards the Left wouldn’t have any Standards”
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In reply to Post #3048
So any political opinion that doesn't align with yours will be moderated from now on?
I must have missed that bit in the rules.
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In reply to Post #3048
As a moderator you should reflect the stated views of this website rather than be pushing your own bias.
have a look at post 3045, 2889, 2512 and then read the forum rules which you should be aware of in relation to racist comment and personal attacks.
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Also, any threads/posts mentioning the shooting or harm of animals will be suppressed or removed.
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These topics will be deleted or moved into the Moderators area for review
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In reply to Post #3048
Wtf
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In reply to Post #3048
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In reply to Post #3048
Shouldn’t you stay neutral and diffuse the situation?
It doesn’t state in the forum rules you have to be right wing. Bad form
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In reply to Post #3048
Wow.
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I will be keeping a close eye on this thread and also deleting any virtue-signaling Left-wing twaddle.
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Message Suppressed by Forum Moderator.
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In reply to Post #3044
What is it about these Left wing idiots that do a few years at uni and consider themselves better than anyone else? It's never translated into governmental power?
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In reply to Post #3044
You got a thing for 7 yr olds probably explains a lot
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In reply to Post #3043
See post 3040
But maybe y7 was ambitious on my part
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In reply to Post #3042
Just as I thought you’re pathetic 🤡
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In reply to Post #3041
See post 3040
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In reply to Post #3040
Still waiting on that racist comment I made Malcolm or are you just a typical soppy Leftie who throws it about just to stifle conversation 🤡
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3038
Tell you what, as I'm clearly dealing with someone of maybe the average y7 level of intellect, I'll take a similar approach
The best way for you to learn is not for me to tell you the answer, but for you to read through your own work and see where you made your mistakes and then we can talk about how you can improve
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Mass shooting in Plymouth…… perhaps I shouldn’t it might be considered racist 😂
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In reply to Post #3037
Go on then
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In reply to Post #3036
Yes.
I could.
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In reply to Post #3035
Out of interest could you point out where I said anything that’s remotely racist
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In reply to Post #3034
See post 3033...
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In reply to Post #3033
Defending a convicted nonce makes you worse in my opinion !!
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In reply to Post #3030
15 yr old child & your overriding concern is the deportation was illegal 🤡
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In reply to Post #3030
The fact that you’re defending a child rapist says more about you than I ever could . But you are from up North not Rotherham by any chance “cough”
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In reply to Post #3028
The crime was the attempted illegal deportation that was stopped you clown.
Great response by the way. I'm guessing from that it's plain old lack of intelligence for your own personal prejudice.
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In reply to Post #3027
Perhaps you could take the knee if you feel that strongly about the attempted deportation of a child rapist !!
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In reply to Post #3027
Awww don’t whatever you do mention a crime when it’s a POC perpetrator or some soppy lefty Tosser will call you a Racccccist ! defending the indefensible 🤡
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In reply to Post #3025
The fact that they’re Jamaican makes me a racist you soppy tosser 😂
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3024
Nope. Nor racists either 
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In reply to Post #3022
So you’re a fan of murderers & nonces !! Bet you were wringing your wrists at the thought of those poor souls being deported 🤡
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3019
More to it than the headline obviously.
The depressing aspect is how the grades highlight even more clearly the disparity in the wealth gap and education
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3020
Really not a fan of brown folk are you?
Get your facts sorted out instead of spouting your 'I can probably get away with being just this little bit racist' ****
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In reply to Post #3019
Future Doctors surgeons MP’s ………… we’re ****ed
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Labour MP’s celebrating the non deportation of 43 Convicted Jamaican criminals amongst them a murderer a child rapist ………Bravo Labour 👏
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So, school grades are up, higher than ever, across the board despite lockdowns and schools being closed.
Time to close the schools and give me my tax money back
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3017
Disgraceful behaviour
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In reply to Post #3011
Bet those Pakistani grooming gangs sweated a bit !!
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In reply to Post #3012
That's going to put a kibosh on the forum then.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3013
Not with my track record.... 
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In reply to Post #3012
Headline: Wayne and Mal about to announce their marriage?
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I wonder if prince Andrew has re-discovered his ability to sweat recently?
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #3007
Ah I see
I mean, it's still a load of rubbish either way
Must've been a very slow news day when they wrote that one
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In reply to Post #3008
Ok just checking the CF PC barometer, I thought someone might try to justify it. 
Good to know the person on Sky was wrong, I can say I'm going for a curry without being racist
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In reply to Post #3007
I think the curry story falls into the 'you can't say Christmas/blackboard/blah blah blah' category.
Much like https://youtu.be/XkCBhKs4faI
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In reply to Post #3004
It came on Sky so I didn't search for it, I can't link to a programme that's already been broadcast so I've provided a link.
Just wondered if the more politically correct amongst us could justify it
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In reply to Post #3005
If Cameron fiddled 7m, Johnson will view anything less than 20m as a personal failure. I'm sure he'll screw far more than that out of the system.
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In reply to Post #2999
Fiddled 7 million, should take it off him and some, **** 
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In reply to Post #3003
If you go searching for this crap then you only have yourself to blame I'm afraid. ...
Food blogging....
Serves you right
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Curry is racist
More drip feeding
Who's a believer and able to explain this one to me?
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In reply to Post #3001
No human rights problem noj. Simple British **** planning and lack of forward thinking.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.techradar.com/uk/amp/news/uk-government-is-wasting-billions-on-keeping-old-computers-going
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In reply to Post #3000
Yep, and if you were to scrap those IT projects it would no doubt infringe on some bisexual Tibetan quadriplegic intern’s human rights. So no money for nurses, and the junior doctors NEED more than the 120 bags they’re getting, obviously!
There’s enough to go around, it just doesn’t
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In reply to Post #2997
You are right about wasted millions noj. In this blokes case not so much as it seems it's a one off (no pun intended)
But wasted money by the millions by management who don't have a clue... it's ridiculous. I heard a report last week about billions that the UK government spends on keeping obsolete IT systems that are about as hack proof as the average pencil case.....
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In reply to Post #2998
You’d struggle to find one that hasn’t 🤷♂️
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For the political freaks amongst you. Panorama tonight - Cameron and the missing billions, niver, who would have thought that. Any **** in politics who has used their position for their own gains should get ****ing life, bent ****s
See what happens 
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In reply to Post #2995
I understand that mate, it’s the media doing media things...
My point is these sort of financial brain farts are happening left, right and centre. The internal communication is non existent so cases like this are what slips through, not the reporting of them. The people in charge of contractors are clueless. I was on a job, a lot of materials and labour but just doors throughout a hospital, that was easily 100k over what it should’ve been!
And IT, Jesus. One trust literally spent millions on a computer system knowing it wouldn’t serve it’s purpose only to then pay to completely replace it
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In reply to Post #2995
Not enough money to fund doctors, police etc, too much money being drip fed and diverted elsewhere.
You do have a point about the gulf though, it's the poor who usually suffer more when money is spent carelessly.
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In reply to Post #2994
Stories like this are not 'slipping through the net' noj, they are drip fed to keep you ranting about this sort of stuff rather than getting upset about not being able to get an appointment with your GP, why the police don't turn up if you get burgled, and the ever-increasing gulf between the rich and the poor.
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I’m sorry. Knowing that I have worked a single second to contribute to this ****’s prostitute in therapist’s clothing, or no clothing if he prefers, makes my blood boil. Because she is a prostitute, she’s not doing it for his looks!
That’s why I like to have a daily scan through the mail site, it’s good to release your frustrations with a rant.
The point is these ridiculous stories are slipping through the net all the time and funding is spunked up the wall, or on your surrogate, whatever
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In reply to Post #2992
Mal I thought you were having trouble with this one 
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2990
The bulk of his money is for CHC which is absolutely right. One day you might be in a situation where you need / qualify for it.
The 23 quid for his extras - as Jon said - is being cut.
Sex surrogates aren't prostitution. It's a way to avoid that whole thing as the lad says.
Again, the mail looking to wind people up... you should avoid it noj. Bad for the blood pressure!
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2990
They're CUTTING the 23 quid a week of sexy stuff from his total 24/7 care package. They are not defending it, they are stopping it.
Pay for a bloke to get his leg over and he's happy for a few days. Teach a man to **** and he's sorted for life.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2989
There is no defending this. Not only does it make me nauseous that there is a sex surrogate (prostitute) that specialises in disabled clients.... but they’re approving 225k in funding for one person to learn about ****ing and shagging brasses.
Maybe people will get my point now that the nhs are clueless and allocation of funding is an internal **** up.
Would you rather a nurse is paid for 7-8 years or matey has 2 pumps and a squirt each week?
Or one of my favourite subjects, trannys.... we pay for counselling on top of the actual surgery, if you were sure enough you didn’t like your genitalia why am I paying for counselling to discuss exchanging it?
Like I said, we have messed with nature and it’s a downward spiral from here.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2988
Even I'm having trouble with this one. Maybe it's just a question of maintaining a cosmic balance
On one hand you have Matt Hancock getting paid to screw the NHS... on the other. ... this guy gets paid BY the NHS. ...
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In reply to Post #2987
We need Mal to explain this one (again)
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2983
Offence is taken not given !
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In reply to Post #2979
It’s fine Chuffy........  
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2983
Ah don't get so stressed about it. They're of a different time and the warnings are so that - if you really are desperate - they can be watched again now with the disclaimer.
I'd be more offended that there's a subscription service for repeats of terrible sit coms. It's just fleecing the stupid....
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In reply to Post #2982
Yes Allo Allo was awful but Bribox have also put out warnings for Keeping Up Appearances (also awful) and Grange Hill.
Others have been mentioned in the past.
I'm offended that so many people are offended, but I defend their right to be offended because I'm offended.
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In reply to Post #2981
Offended cause it was so bloody awful maybe. ..
Now when Peter sellars does the funny accent thing... that's comedy
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2979
Ah... I miss those Dio album covers too....
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In reply to Post #2977
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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This lad deserves a knighthood. And I'm not saying that about many Man utd players
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58091705
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9819631/l-sexually-assaulted-womens-prison-fellow-inmate-male-genitalia.html
Of course this was never going to happen was it?
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In reply to Post #2972
Hey - she worked her ******** off to get there
Edit: ffs - "nuts off".....
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In reply to Post #2971
Forget headlines, it’s ****ing wrong just like weight lifters who chop their dicks off......
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2970
It already is that.
And you're not so stupid that you can't see that the headline is there to do exactly what I suggested. And that clearly it worked.
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In reply to Post #2967
But all criminals include sex offenders. How about if we make it all criminals excluding sex offenders?
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In reply to Post #2964
Brexit may play a part but I read it's a combination of things. Covid, Pingdemic and summer holidays.
I don't know about up north but I've not gone hungry, just a few items missing for a few days until the delayed delivery comes in.
Well done to all the lorry drivers
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In reply to Post #2967
Right wing racist? Yeah I wanted to test something..
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2965
I've read it. It's a rule in relation to ALL convicted criminals subject to checks and risk assessments. But obviously the sensationalist headline is there to prod those who love to be outraged and / or anyone who might have a problem with trans people in general. Not like the daily mail to try and Stoke up a bit of prejudice eh?
I see you edited the word racist out of your silly translation
Realised you were talking ***** then?
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In reply to Post #2962
I can't imagine sex offenders being allowed on to wards if convicted? Sounds very bizarre.
Not seen the story so...
English translation: "I won't read it because it means i'll have to say something sensible - and that will make me look right wing"
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2963
That and a lack of drivers to start with I guess? Estimated 100000 less drivers post brexit - must be having an effect
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In reply to Post #2961
The missus uses a big Tesco for most of the shopping. Generally the shelves are full but there are one or two random products that run out. It's supposed to be something to do with the lorry drivers getting pinged.
she hasn't noticed fruit and veg.
Edit
In fact a lot of the fruit and veg is being sold off cheap due to the sell by dates, that could be due to late deliveries by pinged drivers?
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2959
I can't imagine sex offenders being allowed on to wards if convicted? Sounds very bizarre.
Not seen the story so...
Jon - lots of gaps on shelves. Fresh fruit and veg most noticeable
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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Anyone got any empty shelves in their local supermarkets?
Is it a widespread problem, or just my favourite MSM making it up a bit?
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In reply to Post #2959
I’m sure the Chairman will have something to say on the matter....... 
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In reply to Post #2958
Anyone on here going to defend that one?
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NHS to allow trans sex offenders into female wards ! …… slow hand clap
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In reply to Post #2953
Awww Leroy nothing of any significance to add as per the norm 🥱
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2955
For an island nation, seems a bit off that it's a charity, rather than a government funded emergency service.
Those blokes do a bloody good job, wherever the funding comes from.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2954
Seen that one before ken. Watched it as a stimulus with group of students who live next to the sea but had no idea about the rnli - it's really good
And to be honest, I'm not sure the issue (for some) is really with the rnli as such. More that they do their job to rescue people who aren't from round here.... Farage is a prat. End of.
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In reply to Post #2933
You really are that guy in the pub everyone hates getting stuck talking too.
If it turned out that covid was all just a big conspiracy to get people like you banned from the pub, then im ok with that.
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In reply to Post #2951
“Refugees” there you go I fixed it for you economic migrants 😉
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2950
Yeah, probably
But they'll still have loads more left over to rescue people, be they foreign refugees or British idiots on inflatable unicorns
What's not to like?
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In reply to Post #2939
That's the ceo's salary for this year with a few quid left for expenses.
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In reply to Post #2948
Ironic 🤡
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In reply to Post #2947
I thought you famcied yourself at this forum banter and that's it 
Just another rubber head clearly 
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In reply to Post #2946
Bet you’re the cabin boy taking it hard astern on a regular basis 🤡
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In reply to Post #2943
You'd fit right in a job on the ship as a buttler or barnacle scrapper Clanger. Keep bowing as you leave and avoid eye contact with your betters
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In reply to Post #2944
It’s a 5 man rib hardly going to get 20 Fakeugees in one of them .
Facts 😉
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2943
A D class inshore lifeboat costs about £89000. You could buy two of those with £200000 and have a bit spare.
A fact speaking for itself....
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In reply to Post #2942
Awww facts speak for themselves 🤡
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In reply to Post #2941
One or two decimal points?
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In reply to Post #2940
No just basic maths 😉
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In reply to Post #2939
You're using your 'special covid logic' again, aren't you?
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In reply to Post #2938
As I’ve said £200,000 just goes to prove how many people agree with Nige 😉
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2937
In relative terms you're right.
In absolute terms I'm sure the RNLI are grateful for the money and the show of support for their work.
No doubt Nige was looking forward to their income falling when he said that he imagined donors wouldn't want their money going to save forrinas.
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In reply to Post #2936
User error resolved!! 3000% does look amazing when in reality its like pissing in the sea
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In reply to Post #2935
Well done!
0.00.2941 pence per person TWO decimal points ... the number's THAT small.
Concentrate on 3000%, it easier to write
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In reply to Post #2934
£200,000 from a population of 68 million 0.002941 pence per person 😂😂😂
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2933
Nige has a dig at the RNLI for saving migrants and as a result the donations they receive go up by 3000%
Great to see there are still plenty of decent folk in the country
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In reply to Post #2932
Of course we could always send those 60,000 or so illegal immigrants back which cost the country £36k per head a year or there’s the Foreign aid Budget £14 billion a year which would help what with the country being on its arse !
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2927
Like jon said, the wrong answer to a different question
Of you're having trouble reading it I'm sure someone can help you out...
It's a waste of time and money. When the country is up to its eyes in debt and those who have repeatedly kept people safe an healthy are told there's no money to pay them what they deserve it's a further insult.
As for the 'local shipyards' I served my apprenticeship and then worked in one straight out of school and a plaything for the wealthy elite isn't going to float their boat (pun intended )
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In reply to Post #2927
Make no wonder kids are fick these days. You do know he’s a teacher, or claims to be
Got to be art, music or geography 
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Good to see the books being cooked by the NHS to increase the numbers of Covid patients supposedly in hospital......
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2927
Thanks
That's not what I asked.
How many newly qualified nurses and police officers could have their annual salary paid by the cost of the boat? One number for police and another for nurses.
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In reply to Post #2923
It's actually 0.4166666666666667% of the total nurses and police bill.
So it equates to giving the nurses and police and 0.41% pay rise, which I guess in your head is better than 3%.
If you are having trouble working that out I can help, if you need help?
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2925
Even the amount that it's over budget is obscene let alone the total cost.
Imagine just adding that extra 2 per cent to the pay offer for nurses instead of another vanity project. A bloody floating drinks reception for boris and his rich chums. That he'll probably fly to on his lovely private 747.... ****er
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2924
How about some more lifeboats? That would help the shipyards even more.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2923
Too many
Or free school meals maybe?
Or vaccines?
Or dozens of other things the country actually might need
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2920
How many nurse and police salaries does that work out to be?
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In reply to Post #2921
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In reply to Post #2920
That's awesome, looks fantastic too!
Will create loads of employment in the local shipyards.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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Meanwhile. .. on another planet....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58002977
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In reply to Post #2915
Thats because you're not Left Wing Mal, those sort can find racism in a Brown bread sandwich.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57970520
Some good for hungry Manchester kids.
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So, looks like Covid hospitalisation numbers are being logged incorrectly. People are being tested once admitted for something completely different are then added to covid numbers and people wonder why there is conspiracy theories.......
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In reply to Post #2915
That's because we are a very well balanced community here, we dislike everyone in equal measure with only a very few exceptions, esp and TH.
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In reply to Post #2914
Odd I’ve not encountered any form of racism on here just different opinions 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #2913
Not while carp forum exists ...
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Scientists warn that within 6 months Humanity will run out of things to call Racist
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In reply to Post #2911
I see that South African man / woman has been banned from the Olympics due to her testosterone levels been too high. The lengths that some people will go to, to get in the woman’s showers ffs
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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It really is the gift that keeps on giving
ffs
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In reply to Post #2909
How the hell are masks supposed to stop a microscopic pathogen when they don’t even stop something the size of a truck 🤔
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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Because I know you all like to keep in check with what the mail are covering.
ffs
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In reply to Post #2907
Did you have a smile on you're face about the article in the same paper about the young girl on Bournemouth beach raped by a Pakistani? (I didn't think you believed anything in that rag?)
I only ask as you do like to to lean to certain stories and courses, no need to reply I'm only here for balance.
The point being you can post what you want anyone can but denial aint a river in Egypt.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2905
I did have a smile when I saw that one too....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-57930901
Interesting that it says his finances will now be open to scrutiny as a result
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #2905
Very.
Expect a crowdfunding page by the morning.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57923588
Dominic Raab's comment made me wonder which of his Tory mates is next on the hit list....
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Getting close to thread locking if insults keep getting thrown about.
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In reply to Post #2901
I guessed you'd see it like that. It's just the other end of the argument you were making with your pointless post with the link.
Answer the question how would you feel? Thats in general by the way, anyone's family.
I have you down as vile and nasty too, who's in who's head now?
And try not to take things personally my little Lefty snowflake
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2889
I usually ignore your posts
However in this case...
The fact that you think it's ok to write something like that about my family with a 'smiley' simply highlights what a vile, nasty little individual you are.
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Loads must have it still as over 600k pinged last week..........Most i imagine see it as 10 extra days holiday and the rest are scared to death by Covid so still keep it after 2 Jabs, staying in and wearing masks.......
read a report that they think upto 90% of the UK population now has antibodies and herd immunity is now basically reached yet the government is still trying its hardest to get kids vaccinated which i find very concerning and a little strange!!!
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Im not sure i know anyone who has the app. Even my mum deleted it within the first day.
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In reply to Post #2897
Most self employed people I know, including myself, never had the app in the first place.
It’s all completely pointless as we are so far beyond chasing individuals
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What's the score with this 'pingdemic'?
Surely the self employed or those on zero hours contracts deleted the app months ago to avoid being told to stay at home and earn nothing. Is it just full time staff who don't like their jobs much who still have it, or do some employers ask their staff to use it even if it means they might be off work?
I can understand shop staff and others getting pinged, but lorry drivers? Surely they are one of the least likely to get pinged seeing as they spend most of the day sat in a cab by themselves.
What's going on?
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In reply to Post #2895
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2894
When the tag comes off?
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In reply to Post #2893
I Don’t plan on going until September......
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In reply to Post #2892
Can’t you borrow somebody’s ID and get in before September?
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Good to see labour, Lib dems and a fair few Cons MPs will be blocking the vaccine passport ********!!!!
So many pilot events proved the super spreader event crap just doesnt happen with so many vaccinated.........No jabs and clubbing in September for me.............
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In reply to Post #2885
Well said
Might get sat on the white cliffs of Dover with an air rifle and tele sights, could become a national sport 
They have ruined some of the town centres around me, groups of the ****s just sat around on their arses all day or hanging around in cofffe shops. Intimidating for woman walking down the high street alone with a load of glaring eyes looking at them. 2 years in our county, no job, home. Job done
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In reply to Post #2889
Agree, proper mixed bunch, no doubt, the good, bad and ugly.
No good for the economy, 1000 in 3 days, x that by 365
If they worked,! what with no qualifications, and they can’t speak the lingo lol. I would like to know the percentage that have found employment and those who have not and those with no ****ing intention whatsoever!
I agree with one thing, they are here to work or they are sent home, no benefits.
Benefit Britain, then I wonder why they want to risk their lives to come here
Think should just get the Royal Navy patrolling the French coast, pop any inflatables they find
What a shower of ****
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In reply to Post #2888
Maybe the criminals that are landing on our shores daily will rape or kill someone you care about one day
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Maybe this lad will save the life of someone you care about one day....
https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-08-14/iraqi-refugee-lands-place-at-cambridge-after-scholarship-success-in-cardiff
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In reply to Post #2886
Until it's stopped.
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In reply to Post #2882
Just agreed another 500million for the French to stop them on top of what we've already paid. Should have spent it all on navy gunboat stopping them.
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In reply to Post #2882
If they promised to work picking fruit and veg, driving trucks or working in hospitality on minimum wage, they'd be great for the country, surely? I expect they'd be up for that.
And Nigel promised they'd go away with Brexit! Some must be as gutted as all those commercial fishermen.
BTW, what does 'cause they are' mean?
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In reply to Post #2882
You not heading south to hand out hemp blankets and vegan sausage rolls with me and Mal 
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Over the last 3 days over 1000 migrants have landed on our shores despite pumping millions into France
That’s another 1000 sponging ****s who will contribute nothing. Can’t understand why they want to come over here 
I think we should save the money and just keep an empty ferry on standby, fill it every 3 days and ship them straight back
And some ****ing idiot on here a while ago said there were more coming through airports, cause there are
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In reply to Post #2880
Law protected Saville and many High ranking civil servants, what about Andrew, give him to the yanks in exchange for the diplomats wife that kill the young lad.
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In reply to Post #2879
Tbf i think the same should be said for journalists in instances like this noncey footballer. Everyone hates nonces, and if you are accused, it doesnt matter if the accusation was genuine or not, its almost impossible to clear your name with the public, remember that weirdo the Media accused of being a pedo in the maddaline mccann case?
I have no doubt this footballer has probably done something awful, but the way the media reports an alligation like this but doesnt post his name..... but gives away loads and loads of clues who it is.
It can lead to people either accusing the wrong person based on what the media has said, or, an innocent man who has had a claim made against him strung up by the public.
The law protects the accuser, but not the accused.
Just let the courts decide if he is guilty, and then print his name.
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Law change could see journalists jailed for up to 14 yrs for embarrassing Government politicians for reporting on stories such as Mancock under new official secrets reform !! 🤔
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Texting underage girls.🤔Although it's being denied by his wife. 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #2875
A trail from the mail
They reported it as a 31 year old, then as an Everton player, so I googled 31 year old Everton player and there was a few stories out there already.
**** should be castrated, though I imagine he’s just dipped a girl that’s 15 going on 27, but if he’s got kids and a missus he should be castrated anyway the selfish ****
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2874
Where'd you hear that one Jon? I saw that a 31 year old was arrested by GMP but obviously not named.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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Filthy gylfi..
These bloody footballers, fiddling with kids now 
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2872
Hate to say I told you so Wayne. Always trust the MSM (Mal stream media)
Any particular reason for your change of tune?
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It’s confirmed.......Boris is a ****!!
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Edit, wrong thread
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In reply to Post #2868
PMSL
3 of the worst penalties I have ever seen, least they hit the target so to speak, none over the bar lol
Cmon Southgate, some work to do here with the attack
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In reply to Post #2868
Let’s hope they’re not POC then like the 3 stooges or there’s no hope for them 😂
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In reply to Post #2867
If found guilty make them take 10 penalties against the england goalkeeper, 5 years for every miss.
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In reply to Post #2866
Both happening. 5 arrests. It's a start.
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In reply to Post #2865
Rightly so, but ultimately it’s the law that should be dealing with it
The internet has brought a lot of good but I think ultimately more bad in the grand scheme of things
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In reply to Post #2864
Nottingham university have cancelled the offer of a place to one of the online racists.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/12357046/nottingham-trent-university-withdraws-offer-from-student-over-racist-snapchat-aimed-at-england-players
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In reply to Post #2842
Well that’s interesting if that’s that facts, nothing racial in that, the penis bit made me laugh, you could have put that on Southgates and Pearce’s pictures when they missed, *******s
On the other hand I think it is predominantly online muppets with the racists slurs, cowards?
The press are a bunch of ****s and have something to answer for, should be liable for not reporting the true facts and stirring some **** up. Should be made to make a public apology if it’s true, news channels too. ****s 
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In reply to Post #2862
I don't own such things. The Windows 95 laptop I'm using doesn't tell the time since it was hit by the millennium bug.
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In reply to Post #2860
£7.99 is an extravagance when you look at all the items around you with a built in clock, makes one think you are a bit of a show off Mr Tinhead.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2860
Ah but Mrs tinhead deserves it for living with you...
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In reply to Post #2858
Here's the watch I wear. Gone up a £1 since I bought mine.
LINK
My missus has an £3k watch but more people talk about my one
And my one keeps better time than her self winder
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In reply to Post #2858
Who’d of thought it in such a systemically Racist country eh
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2857
Fair enough
Another way of looking at it is that he's showing what can be achieved with hard work and perseverance. ..
At least he's earned his success eh?
And I agree £100k watches are tacky. Whoever you are!
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In reply to Post #2854
Nothing wrong with having a break. But it doesn’t give a positive impression to youngsters, flying commercially and not wearing 100k watches sends a better message. You can guarantee that holiday cost more than the average annual wage, flaunting it just feels a bit tacky
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Good to see French and Greek citizens now kicking off big time over mandatory vaccination and covid passports trying to be forced on them!......not quite as big as the London marches but substantial all the same!
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It should have nothing to do with it.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2853
It's got nothing to do with it. Just like the lads who missed the penalties being black shouldn't. But for some... well you know how it goes....
Rashford has done more for the cause of tackling food poverty than anyone else I can think of in terms of bringing it to the public attention and pressurising our disgrace of a government. I doubt many of the families who have benefited from his efforts would begrudge him a break from the **** he's had to put up with. He's earned it.
As for the diamonds - maybe they're lab made. I don't go for the bling thing myself but I did buy a lovely lab diamond ring for my lady.
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In reply to Post #2852
Yes that is a piss take, but what has being white got to do with any of that and he isn’t involved in a child poverty campaign. Or just missed one of the deciding penalties in a final
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In reply to Post #2850
On the other side. White Billionnaire Richard Branson got bailed out with Public money last year. Sued our NHS previously for not awarding him a contract but has launched himself into Space.
Bloody Footballers.
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In reply to Post #2850
Must be all that white privilege his missing out on 😂
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In reply to Post #2847
Those words are not written by saka’s name though and the part with his name wasn’t censored from the internet and covered in plastic sheet. Do a search and see how many pages in you have to go to find what’s even under that plastic.
It’s pretty obvious they censored what somebody had already had 2nd thoughts about writing out of fear of more protests.
I did think it showed no class going away on a private jet dripping with diamonds a few days after fluffing his penalty though. It’s a shame some people promoting blm don’t understand the ignorance of flaunting diamonds
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In reply to Post #2848
Where as you see racism in everything 🤡 can’t simply be that they were crap at taking penalties it had to be because they are POC to appease the Lefts fetish with Black people . Just like the Sasha Johnson shooting Squarely laid at the feet of Rightwing extremists when in reality it was one of her own. Irony 😂
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2846
God you're pathetic
Just because people don't use certain words doesn't mean they're not racist. But then you probably know that.
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In reply to Post #2845
Quote
The defacing of a mural of England striker Marcus Rashford is not being considered as racist, according to Greater Manchester Police.
Just hours after England lost the Euro 2020 final, the wall depicting the footballer's face was damaged with offensive graffiti and it was reported as racially-aggravated damage to officers.
The words "F--- Sancho" were scrawled over the huge artwork of the England footballer, painted on the side of a cafe in Copson Street.
The words "s---" and "b------" were also written beside the word "Saka", referencing the 19-year-old player Bukayo Saka whose final penalty miss gave Italy victory.
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In reply to Post #2844
You must be so disappointed that there isn’t any racial connotations . You got up off your knee yet 🤡
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In reply to Post #2843
But it’s not what the police report quoted wether it does or not
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2839
Unlike some others eh? Oh the irony....
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In reply to Post #2842
Can’t see the word Black ?
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In reply to Post #2840
Obviously the Greater Manchester police chief thinks differently . F****ing S**t Bas***d was the actual wording unless the police report is incorrect ?
Gaurdian so not to offend the more delicate amongst us 😂
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrP4k0_gfJg0CcA5FZ0g81Q;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Nj/RV=2/RE=1626534336/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2ffootball%2f2021%2fjul%2f16%2fmarcus-rashford-mural-racial-police-manchester-artwork/RK=2/RS=Ghh5mBGKcvbfcWvNRw6FlRq1X1c-
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2839
Somebody wrote black ******* in the middle of text on the wall.
Seems pretty racist to me to be fair
The dick in the mouth will always remain a classic though
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So the graffiti on the Rashford mural wasn’t racist after all ! I wonder why the MSM reported otherwise . They would never race bait would they ?
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2837
Lucky I check what I read for authenticity eh?
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In reply to Post #2836
Iphone predictive. Firm i do a bit of consultancy work for have that name 🤷♂️
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2835
I think you were aiming for 'divine'
Or is that just the mainstream spelling and we're all just blind to it?
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On a lighter note in Ohio a mural of George Floyd was destroyed after being struck by lightning…..Devine intervention 😂
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In reply to Post #2832
Even @ 0.5% we’re still 2nd highest contributor in the G7 & as the left keep telling us we no longer have a Empire to look after ergo it’s not down to the British taxpayer to fund the Kenyan Spice girls or to teach Chinese farmers how to grow rice !! Bravo Richi 👍
PS of course you could always donate to your chosen charities I’d stay away from oxfam tho they seem to have a proclivity for raping children 😉
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In reply to Post #2832
And lots of unused cycle lanes and boxes of dirt in the nimby gentrified areas.
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In reply to Post #2831
Nah you're OK. It's end of term and you've had a tough year having to deal with covid, lockdown and a bunch of nut bars on here...
I think it's appalling. The initial figure of 0.7 per cent was both a manifesto pledge and agreed as international standards. The overall figure in terms of money would have been less already as that's how percentages work. Now it's a smaller percentage of a smaller start point so it's a double blow.
When charities are already having to cancel operations and aid efforts as a result then it's simple for me. People in the greatest need will suffer and die.
But at least we have a nice new yacht and private plane and shiny railway that nobody wants eh?
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In reply to Post #2830
I think we’re both in for it when the teacher reads our posts 
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In reply to Post #2829
That's a fair comment.
I know Mal being Mal would give his last penny to someone who told him he needed it without hesitancy , but sometimes you need time to take a step back and give it some thought.
Best I go to bed, too much hazelnut Soplica
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2828
To be fair we (taxpayers) have been paying millions of people to stay off work and provided Az jab at cost.
Not sure we are in a position to give or be judged on reducing what’s given.
Though I understand your point.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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More despicable behaviour from Boris and co...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57826111
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2826
Milton Keynes?
Bloody hell mate that's a bit harsh
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2825
My name is Jon and I’d like all trans people to move to Milton Keynes so I never have to see them
I feel better now, thanks
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In reply to Post #2823
This seems to be a little crusade for you noj.
As Shakespeare might say 'the lady doth protest too much, methinks' .... something you want to get off your chest?
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In reply to Post #2823
Got to keep the 0.001% of the population relevant!!
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In reply to Post #2815
I dont see the issue, it was a female only room and it was a ladies feminine penis.
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In reply to Post #2820
I was offered some work there a while back, I was considering it until I realised it was a state I couldn’t own an assault and sniper rifle.. hardly worth the journey lol
They only legalised cannabis shortly after
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In reply to Post #2817
and the great thing is noj, if you lived there, you'd be able to pick your weapon of choice up with your groceries on sunday afternoon...
The land of the free and the home of the absolute flippin' nutter
I'm reminded of Monty Python and the Holy Grail when the nights first see Camelot - cue the round table song - and them then saying 'Let's not go there. It is a silly place' ...
Tinheads finest moment
and yeah that's me in the dungeon
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In reply to Post #2816
Your right, been a wrong un, I mean a right un, don’t make you a wrong un or right un
Perception is everything sadly
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In reply to Post #2815
Watched BBC world news this morning before I went to bait up. Interview with a transgender, to be fair I found it very interesting, slated the UK and everybody except the BA stewardess were disrespectful, Bob, Sue now lives in India and people accept her for what He, she is
Each to their own
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In reply to Post #2816
The accompanying video is a sight to behold
Not sure I’d be able to resist mass slaughter with an ar15 if I lived in the US. Wtf is wrong with them?
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2815
of course it's the mail.... and America, birthplace of the 'Karen'
my favourite part? 'he has a dick' - and the response 'you're being a dick!'
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In reply to Post #2812
People like you are the wretched mate.👌
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In reply to Post #2790
Cut
Merely processed
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In reply to Post #2785
Little England wretch"s like yourself probably won't.
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In reply to Post #2808
Your Left wing scum could be in for a proper bounce, England winning the Euros could be as good as the jab bounce 😂
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In reply to Post #2809
We have Boris Johnson who is a complete and utter tit and then we have the ****ing Labour party who have completely lost the plot. They should be able outwit that **** wit without blinking in a eyelid. What a shower of **** 
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In reply to Post #2807
Nice to see Starmer obeying the social distancing mask rules in Batley!!
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Look out fellas... scozza's been at the lambrini. ..
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In reply to Post #2805
**** em mate, I hope they end up on their arse, ****s
Laughable, they started a war because their economy was flat on its arse. Millions suffered in the war, we disarmed them and now they are where they want to be, the super power of Europe. I hope they crash right to the very absolute bottom, ****s
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In reply to Post #2805
****ing clueless mate, Labour! The working man!
Started with that **** Corbin supporting any scrounger, clueless 
Money makes this world go round, not milkers
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In reply to Post #2803
News headlines are 'Labour are back' yes they won by 323 votes, previously in 2019 3,525 votes.
Yes they held on (just) but to claim 'Labour are back' is a bit far fetched.
They were ******** lucky.
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Another one Angela Merkel speaking in German on U.K. TV. We dont give a **** about Germany and we don’t want you over here being disrespectful to our nation, **** off you ugly ****
And, your out **** 
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I see Joe Coxs sister has got voted in
I was embarrassed for the breakfast TV presenter when he interviewed her and asked the question, what are you going to do then, expecting her to represent her sister, absolutely blew the knob away 
The downside is Starmer popped up and claimed Labour was back
Now what this **** wit does not realise is that labour used to represent the working man against the privileged ones, and that’s the problem for me
Lost their way massively, stick with the working man, the ones who makes this country go round, not every scrounging, **** wanting something for nothing low life’s, maybe be start another party, the “No intention to work party” votes = zero
Unless ****s 
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In reply to Post #2801
I hope not
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In reply to Post #2800
Brace yourself ... they're handing out visas like confetti in exchange for crap trade deals. Often to brown people.
Cream?
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In reply to Post #2799
Agree on one point we need to crack down, airports too. I don't want any thanks
Saying that, once came back from holiday and was going through passport control. They were giving a flight from a "foreign" country a proper grilling which was pleasing to see
Your last comment. Is that why you ****ed of to Italy but still want to come back for some cream? the word hypocrite springs to mind?
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In reply to Post #2798
Immigration and migrants crossing the channel are two completely different things. Immigrants are mainly legal, and arrive by more conventional means. The vast majority of asylum seekers arrive by plane, but ****s trying to film them prefer to post videos of themselves 'patrolling' the south coast rather than arrivals at Heathrow.
There is no legal obligation for people to claim asylum in the first country they get to. It's just something Nigel said that all the xenophobes remembered.
You've got me on the third point, poor sods must be deeply disappointed when they arrive.
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Watching breakfast news, last year by July we had 2500 migrants cross the channel, this year it’s doubled although they claim immigration is down?
So much for claiming asylum in the first country that you set foot it!
Can’t think why they would want to cross all those boarders and come to the U.K.?
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In reply to Post #2795
There is plenty of better boosters around today to top up the 90s concoctions.......
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In reply to Post #2794
Don’t be a puss Wayne, you should try it 
Could be worse you could be awake for two days with a mouth that feels like you have licked a carpet for a week and fluro green tinged piss
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In reply to Post #2794
Todays jabs are just the boosters for what you took in the 90's.
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Raves in the very early 90s were bloody great, arenas filled with MDMA sweat dripping from the ceiling with a hint of vicks in the air.......nobody cared what they were taking as long as you ended up nutted and talking to your dance neighbours.......
Covid vaccine on the other hand gives you a dead arm, blood clots and a tracker.......
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In reply to Post #2792
**** me, happy days, can I have my third one now
Edit - Brilliant, jabs available now folks
Covid jab 3
Some people don’t need that anymore
Or even the first one
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In reply to Post #2790
There'll be glow sticks and Praga Khan, Free Your Body/Injected with a Poison playing in the background at the winter booster sessions.
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In reply to Post #2787
It was mostly Ashton & parsons anyway
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In reply to Post #2787
I’ve had both
All that Talcum powder and what ever other **** it was cut with and now you won’t have an injection Noj
No problem at all for me, I’m mad, seriously, I think I am
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2787
Not me.
I knew exactly which drugs they were
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2786
I've got it figured out. It's very clever.
What was one of the big industry casualties of recent years?
British steel....
And what are single use needles made from.. ? It was never about a virus. It's an economic masterplan
You heard it here first.
Maybe should be on the covid vaccination / utter madness thread....
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In reply to Post #2786
I wonder how many on here who are against the jab were happy to take a cocktail of unknown drugs in the 90's whilst blowing their whistles at the latest rave
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They now want us to have a third 'booster' jab in the autumn and a flu jab at the same time!
Don't like the idea of that cocktail.
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In reply to Post #2783
Do you think many if any in the UK give a toss?
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BBC reporting 2k covid cases in Scotland from fans coming to the football in London, yet a March of nearly a million people in London for the last few weekends and cases struggling to top 15k per day and most of these in Manchester.........
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So the American military pull out after 20 years in Afghanistan could be days away. It took nearly 2 years for Saigon to fall after the military pull out in 73. Can't see Kabul lasting half that time and it'll be a blood bath. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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In reply to Post #2776
And since parents began to speak, kids have been doing the opposite. I'm sure you remember that.
So true unfortunately. Aint that is a skill to be proud of, an open and positive relationship with your kids
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2780
You’ve got to pick a pocket or two, boys...
You’ve got to pick a pocket or two
🕎💎
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2779
Thankyou Fagin
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2778
Bring back the workhouse and get them up the chimneys.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2777
It is a sad story.
It's a very sad thing that kids don't stay 'children' for as long as we did. I'm in agreement on that. But it's every aspect of their world and I really do believe we have to tackle any potential aspect of it in school.
One of the few positives of the covid restrictions has been year groups being kept apart at lunch and break times. Our year 7 kids spent the early part of the year still 'playing out' - Tig and the like. - because they weren't being influenced by the behaviour of the older kids. Genuinely heartwarming to see.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2776
Sorry mate. Intentionally shouted you out for a bite
Of course I know what you meant, it’s a disturbing story though.
13 lol. I spent 39.5 years disobeying my parent, she recently agreed with our family history of blood clots on the brain and dicky tickers I should swerve the jab for now... so I’ve turned over a new leaf and done what I was told
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In reply to Post #2775
And thousands of 11 year olds not because they've had some education on this in school.....?
I think you've got muddled up in what I was saying. Never once said that kids shouldn't be told that underage sex is ok. We do a lot of work to the contrary.
Your average 13 year old can run internet rings round their parents. And since parents began to speak, kids have been doing the opposite. I'm sure you remember that.
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11 year old mother in the news.
So, Mal. At what age do they become able to think for themselves?
Her parents should be arrested and the boy neutered
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In reply to Post #2772
Think the same myself. Public image is everything in a position like his, no excuses, squeaky clean, comes with the territory, you lead by example. What a complete knob he is
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In reply to Post #2772
Triggered Lefty's , putting a smile on people's faces day in day out.
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In reply to Post #2771
Resigning isn't enough by a long way in my eyes, full investigation and jail time for all these self serving ****s.
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In reply to Post #2768
Ah sorry I thought it was £15k a month. Still put it into her lap so he could bend it over the desk.
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Nottingham school girl suspended for showing too much ankle 🤔
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2768
Yeah 15k for between 15 and 20 days work.
Sounds a nice job until you factor in the extras that she had to do...
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2765
Agree with you mate, but wasn’t it a 15-20k job for a few weeks work a year?
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In reply to Post #2766
Yeah that's just pitiful isn't it?
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In reply to Post #2765
Even more unbelievable is the fact that if there were an election tomorrow, this lot would get voted back in.
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In reply to Post #2763
Self serving little ***** of a man. Appointing contracts to his friends, receives dividends from his brother in laws company that was set up and instantly appointed a contract, wants to put his dick in his aide so appoints her to a £180k tax payer funded salary- so he can put his dick in it.
It says bundles about the man that in his statement he says nothing about his wife of 15 years he did the dirty on. I hope she takes the **** for every penny he has. The mans a fraud, has done nothing right (other than the vaccine programme but it’s gone so well I can’t see his hand in that). Good riddance.
It’s quite unbelievable who the people running this country really are and how self serving, arrogant and hypocritical they are.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2762
He obviously read my post and was shamed into it...
Makes an arse of boris saying it's all ok yesterday eh?
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In reply to Post #2759
Did he, or did she throw him out? Either way he's a lying cheat and has no right to be in his job.
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In reply to Post #2761
Yep. He’s resigned
Feel for the 6 kids involved across 2 families, though I doubt any will be cutting mould off the bread and putting patches on their school trousers like when my dad left
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In reply to Post #2759
Not got the decency to leave the job though eh?
Even for tories this lot are slimeballs
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In reply to Post #2759
Looking forward to JP response
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Well Hancock had the balls to jump and left his wife. Be funny if his bit on the side ****s him off too
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In reply to Post #2757
Got to love JP.......
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Say it like it is JP, say it like it is
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In reply to Post #2754
Was it good? I like his shows too. He does go for extremes at times, but he's not afraid to tackle any subject and he's always respectful in his interviews no matter what he might think.
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In reply to Post #2754
I like Louis, but I wouldn’t be able to watch that
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Anybody watch Louis Theroux- transgender kids last night.......
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In reply to Post #2752
That's the Innova one, not sure about the other manufacturers.
The missus just got back from Tesco's and they were giving tests away in NHS labelled boxes.
Box says mzade in Chi-na by Xiamen Biotime Biotechnology
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In reply to Post #2751
Since been banned & recalled by the manufacturers
https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrJS9bVQNZgp3IAJpp0g81Q;_ylu=Y29sbwNpcjIEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1624682837/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.theguardian.com%2fworld%2f2021%2fjun%2f11%2fus-health-agency-gives-innova-lateral-flow-covid-tests-scathing-review/RK=2/RS=i7ErctCjyB7Vpfz43WgLYLWPt9o-
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In reply to Post #2749
I'm not sure about this, so it might be worth checking in case I'm reading it wrong or it's out of date, but according to this document the Rapid Antigen Test (aka Lateral Flow) is accepted by the CDC when admitting travellers into the US.
The tests that are are not permitted are antibody or serology tests
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In reply to Post #2740
Hands, face....vagina
Hope he had gel on
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In reply to Post #2745
No need they’ve been proven to be crap CDC has banned the use of them in the US
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In reply to Post #2745
At least nobody is publicising it to make more kids aware of it....
...oh hang on...
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In reply to Post #2742
He wasn't going to get fired by Johnson, was he? That'd be like being sacked by Korda for getting excited when you land a fish.
Although it was harsh when Johnson said Hancock was 'f***ing useless' - Gina Coladangelo can't be that bad, especially with Dido Harding around for comparison.
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In reply to Post #2742
We've drawn Germany again?
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In reply to Post #2742
What's happened?
The government's resigned en masse and been replaced with a group of clear thinking level headed teenagers?
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Not one to say I told you so but.....
What a surprise eh?
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In reply to Post #2739
No rules were broken. I bet that's a comfort to Mrs H.
Edit - apparently now the line is that some rules were broken. So like boris, pritti etc his job is safe...
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In reply to Post #2737
Hands.....Face.........All round to Matts place
Stay in your bubble unless your shagging over the side. Remember professor pants down!
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In reply to Post #2737
Coladangelo means 'angel glue' in Italian.
Which, incidentally, is what she says when her kids ask 'what's that stuff on your jumper mummy?'
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That song.. um
Was well intentioned I suppose
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So ****ing useless Matty has been slipping the Hancock into one of his aides.
Don’t worry, no covid rules were broken according to a press release
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In reply to Post #2735
I heard him too, lovely bloke. He must be disappointed his idea was promoted by Gavin.
I hope no one's told him Priti wouldn't let folk like his parents in nowadays.
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In reply to Post #2734
When I first saw the story on that I was - understandably - a little cynical. Then I heard the bloke behind it all on the radio this morning and God bless him I actually think he has a positive - albeit clumsily delivered - message . Unfortunately it just comes across as a bit Britain first crossed with Hitler youth.
I thought sturgeon was very funny about it.
We'll just be singing 'xanadu' like we do every Friday
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In reply to Post #2733
Getting the kids to sing 'Strong Britain, Great Nation' tomorrow Mal?
Should be a laugh.
Altogether now 'Let's get together and feel Alt-right' ...
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In reply to Post #2732
With my hair I'm more wookie than wokey
One for the star wars nerds
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In reply to Post #2731
I'd thought you'd bite on that one and give us one of your wokey reasons
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In reply to Post #2729
Maths racist?
It does focus a lot on division I guess....
.... I'll get my coat
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In reply to Post #2729
Yeah, I read that too.
A 'conspiracy' that involves the people running a Chinese lab does seem a bit more plausible than all the other conspiracies involving all the people who run just about every country and 99.99% of the scientific and medical world.
I read that a lots of people dismissed it at the beginning because Trump voiced it, and they didn't want to be associated with the orange oaf in any way, shape or form.
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I don't really go for conspiracy theories but there's more and more 'experts' saying covid did escape from a Wuhan lab.
Jamie Metzl being one of them
Other conspiracy theories In the news is that maths is racist, mmm you'll have a job convincing me on that one
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In reply to Post #2726
I had some free phone scam pop up on that page. Watch out for t’Yorkshire
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In reply to Post #2725
**** off
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In reply to Post #2725
I've got the news on at the moment. It's about whether kids are able to think for themselves.
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In reply to Post #2723
You are. They can.
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Russia getting a bit lairy!
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In reply to Post #2719
I'm not getting into what's 'normal' apart from to say that the phrase 'its not normal' is too often used to excuse prejudice and ignorance and can be very damaging for those impressionable developing minds.
A few posts ago (2694) you were calling us idiots and saying the kids could think for themselves
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In reply to Post #2721
Let's agree to disagree eh?
Bit of diversity can't hurt can it?
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In reply to Post #2719
I also said that being attracted to men, women and a combination of the 2 is a natural thing. I know I went off on a tangent but the issues I have are gender tinkering and promiscuity; nothing good comes of it, except maybe 2 girl no hand hoodwinks.
Something that requires surgery and hormone treatment on a physically healthy person is not normal, not really sure how anybody can think it is. It is accepted but it is not normal.
I respect an adult’s decision to do it, an adult being AT LEAST 21. Preferably 35
People commit suicide over their finances and while it would be easy to do nobody helps them, as tragic as losing a young life is I’m not having it that with the right support somebody can’t accept who they are. People are born with disabilities and deformities who long to be able bodied or healthy while others can’t appreciate just being alive. Something is mentally wrong with somebody who kills themselves, not physically.
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In reply to Post #2717
I don't think many thought it would be done by Christmas. I don't think we'll ever get to the point where we can say it's done and dusted, both sides will constantly want to move the goalposts.
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In reply to Post #2708
Hiya mate.
We are far apart on a lot of things but just to clear a couple of things.... Linked to Jon's responses too.
Schools have no power to either 'allow' or prevent gender reassignment. It's a law set by government.
There's no persuasive element. But there's also no discouragement. If a student wants to follow a route then we will offer support in the shape of wider information, outside agencies, links for child and parent etc.
As Jon says, we don't want any child feeling like an outcast and resorting to anything that could harm them.
There's a legally set age of 18 for any surgery. Courts need to apply for medication based hormone blocking treatment for under 16's. All of this is covered as part of educating in this area. So we can avoid some of the misconceptions already seen on here.
I teach a few kids who have changed gender (pre surgery of course) and are much happier being themselves, so can get on with their learning much more effectively. The other students (to the great extent - there's always the potential for prejudice as with sexuality, race etc.) simply accept this and get on with their own learning.
Sexuality is not about having sex. And gender change doesn't necessarily mean gay either. A transition from boy to girl doesn't come with the condition that you must now find men attractive. Or vice versa. It's about self identity.
I'm not getting into what's 'normal' apart from to say that the phrase 'its not normal' is too often used to excuse prejudice and ignorance and can be very damaging for those impressionable developing minds.
Think about this... The two greatest western civilisations of ancient Greece and Rome thought nothing of their senate, philosophers and generals having sex with both men and women. It was normal for them.
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In reply to Post #2717
Never mind I’m sure you’ll get over it eventually 😂
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Even more reason to get the hump. I bet plenty thought the brilliant outcome from the 'easiest deal in history' would have been done and dusted by xmas.
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In reply to Post #2715
Wow you’re like the google of the forum 😂 Remainers have been salty for 5 yrs
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In reply to Post #2714
Vote was 5 years but only 6 months since we left. 
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In reply to Post #2713
Awww still salty after 5yrs 😭
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So, five years on from the historic moment that a minority of the British voted to leave the EU on the promise of ‘taking back control’ and bringing ‘no downsides, only considerable benefits’, ‘millions to the NHS’, ‘a better trade deal .. the German car industry will see to that!’ blah blah f’kin blah… none of which proved to be true, how come no brexiters have got the hump about it? (apart from the fishermen .. and loads of farmers.. and small exporters .. etc etc)
Have folk been been programmed to say ‘Yes Sir, very good m'lud’ to anyone who’s been to Eton and has a posh voice?
Or is it just that no one really gave or gives a toss about business, employment, trade, etc etc because they have got exactly what they wanted but are too meek to say … fewer foreigners.
No matter waiting longer for a pint in ‘Spoons, and it may cost a few pennies more than that funny Mr Martin promised it would .. the point is, it wasn’t served by a Polish bloke. Simple as that really, isn’t it?
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In reply to Post #2711
I see what you did there, Jon. Touché
That is sad reading
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In reply to Post #2710
Section 28, which outlawed teaching about being gay, was scrapped in 2000. In 2019 a law was passed which makes teaching about LBGT issues compulsory.
It may well be the parents' job in an ideal world, but as you have pointed out previously, the vast majority of the population are ****s, parents included.
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In reply to Post #2709
When and why did they start teaching about being gay? That’s a parent’s job
I do, I have a strong belief that religion should be illegal
Not sure how to explain it to my son without letting on that Santa isn’t real
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When my wife was a teenager a boy who was a bit 'different' used to hang around with her and her sisters. He had long hair and would dress in a neutral manner. Weekends and holidays he'd just enjoy being 'one of the girls'. At school he was isolated and miserable as the class weirdo. He threw himself out of a fourth floor window when he was 17.
If that sort of suffering can be avoided by explaining to kids that such people exist, and if they are one of the tiny, tiny minority who feel that way they will get help, it can only be a good thing.
Noj - I'm sure that every one of your arguments were used when schools first started teaching that being gay was ok, do you have strong religious beliefs?
Mal - Does much 'persuasion to transition' go on in schools? I know little about the UK's education system nowadays, but it sounds a bit far-fetched that kids are getting talked into it? But what do I know? Maybe it's like the Duke of Edinburgh Awards - Bronze for top half, silver for bottom half and Gold for the full set?
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In reply to Post #2706
Same as mate, I agree with some of that
I still don’t think it’s acceptable for schools to allow gender reassignment and it’s not normal or healthy in any age group, in any circumstance. People get ripped to shreds in the media who are white and trying to identify as black or Asian, and that’s just a question of melanin which we are told is irrelevant as we are all the same under our skin. Yet it’s ok to ignore nature and remove reproductive organs from your body?
I see that as disrespectful to women, sorry a man can have all the surgery he wants but will never be half a woman. The sexes genuinely are completely different biologically, yet reassignment causes less uproar than race identity and is even celebrated. You can’t have a bloody tattoo until you’re 18 but you can reassign your gender?? I wanted a Polynesian tattoo at one point, I realised I wasn’t Polynesian once I had the money and stubble to start getting inked. Like people I know who had Chinese writing and are now anti China lol.
I’m not implying gay people can’t have a healthy relationship or be a role model either, of course not. But you can’t have all these labels and claim it’s not sexualising kids earlier because those labels only exist to describe what sexual practices you indulge in. We also both know there is gay, and gay.
Why do we even need a label at all if we are being completely open to all?
Nobody needs to say they are straight or heterosexual, they just are. And once sexually active will be attracted to who they are attracted to, men, women or both. That’s natural, probably happens in the animal world.
These are minds that are not fully developed and are easily influenced by peer pressure, people who’s life will be changed by decisions schools encouraged them to make before they could legally have sex to begin with. Which is what adult relationships are really about.
I’d have to take my kids out of a school that openly promoted any labelling or changing of gender outside of reality and if either were encouraged to pursue any of it I’d lift my ground scored knuckles off the floor and batter 10 shades of **** out of any individual responsible. Their job is to teach the curriculum not interfere with the healthy reproduction of the human species.
Once people are adults they are able to change their genitalia, but were born as a specific gender because we are the products of reproduction produced to reproduce..... and you will always be that gender regardless of how you maim yourself.
My missus has had to see hormone specialists who have huge waiting lists of people who are genuinely suffering, yet healthy people are allowed to access that system to manipulate themselves beyond what is natural? It’s a joke that it’s also funded!!! ****ing funded by the government for somebody to change sex! That is more alarming to me than 90% of brexit and covid combined
How does ‘blackface’ differ from cross dressing or trans people?
****, if we’re gonna be woke.. let’s wake up
It ain’t normal to change sex and shouldn’t be normalised
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Anyway. In serious news...
Lancashire telegraph reports that 2 greggs stores are to close in Blackburn. .. the other 12 are going to be rammed now
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In reply to Post #2700
Noj - I'm in agreement on some key things here. And not on some others.
You very quickly went from gender reassignment and sexual identity to oversexualisation. They are two different issues. Lumping onlyfans together with gender reassignment just doesn't wash im sorry.
Kids are way more exposed to adult content online than we were at their age. The pike of mucky magazines hidden in the local 'den' is replaced with millions of sites at their fingertips on smartphones bought and financed by parents. Websites like instagram and tiktok feed this oversexualised online menu with little to no sense of responsibility or effective regulation. And the overwhelming majority of porn content viewed by kids is 'straight' porn.
So it's happening.
And like you, I wish it wasn't.
Part of the role of schools is to address this and open up discussion because knowledge and awareness is important in keeping kids safe. We don't treat this lightly in schools. We have regular training and we are constantly reviewing our approaches. Even in the last few weeks there has been the ofsted report on the shocking numbers of girls who have been subject to some form of sexually inappropriate behaviour. I've Year 10 kids who have created devised exam performancework that highlights the issue and offers real insight for their peers. When I talk about learning from kids, even amid my flippant comments, I am genuinely saying that we can. Because they are living it every day and they can tell us what's really happening and the effect it is having. It's shocking. But putting our heads in the sand and pretending the big bad world isn't there is no good to them. we grew up in what seemed to be simpler times. Stranger danger was maybe as bad as it got. The world has moved on and not in entirely positive ways.
Healthy relationships.... I see plenty of healthy relationships among the students who are gay, gender fluid, and transitioning. Just as I see some very unhealthy ones among the straight kids. The inference that healthy and transitioning can't be the same doesn't fit sorry mate.
Kids are acutely aware of their own sexuality / how they 'identify'. From an early age. So it's important we give them the chance to voice this. Because some families don't offer that opportunity. And some families are hugely grateful for the input of schools in opening up these conversations between parent and child. Having to go through their whole school life and never being able to express how they feel would be so damaging. And as for role models, for those kids who already know they don't 'fit' some outdated idea of 'the norm', just imagine how important it is for them to have role models in the public eye. Or do all role models have to be straight? A gay rugby player. A gender fluid film star. A transitioning athlete. They can all be a positive role model for someone - potentially.
Developmentally fair? Absolutely. Because when handled appropriately it means they can learn about acceptance of people for who they are. That feeling different shouldn't automatically follow on to feeling ashamed.
There so much ignorance as to how it's handled. Look at Wayne's post. Some people actually believe it's as simple as a trip to the doctors to say please chop these off and give me some hormone treatments. As said, I've got year 9 kids who know way more about it than some people on here. Because they're living it.
You have gay family and friends who think the same as you! No **** Sherlock. Being gay doesn't remove your ability to form your own opinions. I'm sure there are gay people who disagree. And straight people too. It's allowed.
There you go. A simple - if lengthy - answer with no sarcasm. I think...
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In reply to Post #2700
There’s a word Noj, role model
Drag queen weightlifter, mmmmmmm
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In reply to Post #2701
I would call it an unfair advantage. He could put his bra on and compete with the men
And as for being clever and big words, here’s a few
Wheelbarrow
Helicopter
Hippopotamus
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In reply to Post #2701
You shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids.
Incidentally you're at it again, anyone who doesn't agree with you is thick, post after post for all to see, you must be so insecure.
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In reply to Post #2701
Mind you don’t choke on your soy latte cuck 😉
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In reply to Post #2699
Brainwashing...
No danger for you then eh?
I've kids in year 9 who could educate some of you. I'd have to ask them to use easy words and talk slowly though...
Scozza - read the previous posts for my graham norton response. I'm being cheeky with noj.
And 'cheating' - do you really think the thought process was along the lines of 'hmmm how can I win a medal? I know! I'll go through gender surgery! My cunning plan will fool them all!...
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I knew you’d like my post Mal
I genuinely have gay family and friends who think the same.
Kids shouldn’t be aware of over sexuality up whatever path and certainly not changing gender, they should have their hands full with being kids!
Role models should be promoting healthy relationships whatever our age or persuasion. All these ‘stars’ who make it as human **** socks are why the youngsters lapping it up have a problem respecting their partners and themselves.
They wonder why we have this situation where girls are being violated and disrespected in schools and on the streets. Because we’re wide awake man, it’s cool that women support themselves with toys on only fans, own that body girl! It’s legit to chop your nuts off and be called sue.. give me bloody strength!
Do you think it’s developmentally fair on everyone else’s kids for another to change gender in their school years? Or to allow that kid to even ‘decide’ they’re doing it to begin with?
Edit- You reckon the Chinese and Russians won’t have a bit of this testosterone depletion you’re a damn fool
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“The upcoming generation are way more aware of gender and sexuality issues because they live in a world where it's normalised rather than demonised - mostly.”
Simply because the likes of you are literally brainwashing them on a daily basis !!
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In reply to Post #2694
What the **** are you going on about drama queen 
And WTF is the Graham Noroton comment about, you fancying a date with him when you have gone through the change 
A transgender weightlifter, that’s what I’m on about in the Olympics, yes the pinnacle of athleticism is a Bloke Or a Woman Or a Bloke, nope, now he’s a woman, not to mention an element of cheating, let’s hope her plums don’t pop out of the leotard when he does the squat
Yes kids, the woman’s weightlifting champion is a Bloke, Woman, I mean a Bloke, sorry, no it’s a woman
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In reply to Post #2694
We've got a pulse......
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In reply to Post #2695
I'll hold them. Sounds like a good cuddle might chill them out a bit.
Edit - you should've left your post unedited. It was more entertaining that way...
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In reply to Post #2689
NO they are not actually. The media will however want you to think that, and put it a forum.
Plenty and plenty of good, decent, respectful people still out there, the mass majority in fact.
I'd say the youngsters round were I live are way more nicer, respectful and polite to when i grew up in the 80's.
Even today as I went into the local Greggs, 3 teenage boy's moved politely out of the way in the doorway and I said thanks, and said thanks back.
Keep your eye's and mind open and you'll soon see the games being pulled by the media, tv adverts, social media, etc.. We know full well the news is planned 12-24 months in advance, this recent video trapped CNN journo just f*cked it up for them. Click bait, pay-per-click, digital revenue... it's a very sad time, whoever is conducting this behaviour can't do it forever though, and soon must be held.. to account!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4R_p-qG0wQ
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Oh dear god. Go and have a word with yourselves ffs - bunch of snowflakes getting all your knickers in a twist.
Scozza - what the kids think about it is that they see / hear comments like those on here and think 'what a bunch of dinosaurs.' They're like the mammals - adapted to a modern world and just waiting for you all to die out as you cower in fear behind your sofa in case that nasty graham norton should jump out of the telly and try to touch you on the bottom.
(It's no coincidence that sci fi writers and UFO nutters talk so much about anal probes... they know that's way more scary to 'real men' than any green skinned bigheaded alien will ever be).
Like fishie says, 99% of them really don't care - live and let live - and the 1% that do get triggered over it probably grow up in households where there's a bloke of a certain age who likes carp fishing and is 'fine with all the gays and that just so long as they don't try and ram it down my throat' (pun intended)
The upcoming generation are way more aware of gender and sexuality issues because they live in a world where it's normalised rather than demonised - mostly.
A quick look at the comments here just shows a bunch of Boris 's. Utterly out of touch and out of date and way out of their comfort zone.
The initial discussion point was linked to an athlete and questions of 'fairness'. But then, objectively looking at things, which elite sport is really fair these days? I can't think of one. Football? Nope. Tennis. Nope. Motor sport? Nope.
The whole thing just becomes another excuse for people to spout bulls*** prejudices and frightened misconceptions. Again, fishie called it, divide and conquer....
Peace and love all (don't worry - it's just a sign off)
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"It's not her fault though.."
He wasn't saying it was her 'fault' you just added a negative word to make him look like he was being negative, "standard" left-wing protocol of argument. That's a sh*t psychology to live by, why be like that?
In regards to the weight lifter, what a mess.
If you have mixed feelings about it then you are missing the simple, natural and basic fundamentals of a happy life.
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In reply to Post #2690
Clearly
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In reply to Post #2689
Sad but maybe true?
Genes? Who knows?
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If you tell your kids that you now identify as the invisible man, does that make you trans-parent?
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In reply to Post #2687
Kids that come from a stable home background are in the minority nowadays 
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Young lad goes to the doctor with his mum asking for his leg to be chopped off.......doctor refers them to mental health experts as he is clearly suffering with mental health!!
Same young lad goes to the doctors and ask for his bollox to be chopped off and for a lovely pair of breasts, he is given tablets to start the hormonal process and offered support for his decision!
Worlds truly ****ed up!!!!!
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In reply to Post #2684
Really concern me where we are going with all this and like you say, god knows what the kids must think of it all
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In reply to Post #2684
Noj, get off that fence 
If you watch the news, etc..... you would think that straight and gay are the minority of society. Transgender is the dominant gender if you read the newspapers, media, etc... 99% of society don't give a **** about what sex, race , gender someone is! If it doesn't impact on them its live and let live.
Society is fragmenting fostered by media and government, keep the people divided and then they won't question what's happening.
Qoute from that buffoon Boris "build back gender neutral, build back more feminine!" what a ****ing idiot he is, spouting these words not even understanding what he has said.
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In reply to Post #2679
Her 😂😂😂😂😂
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Complete ********, or lack of..
The flood gates will open for promising but obviously not world beating sportsmen to become women.
All this normalisation of changing sex and ultra camp gays wants sorting out. They talk about moving forward with mental health then the same ****ing moron is telling a kid, who may want to be an astronaut the following week, that it’s fine if he feels like he’s a girl. Because we’ve normalised over camp little gay blokes on prime time tv and radio who’s whole act is ALWAYS being suggestive, it’s spawned an army of quite offensively LGBTQ+-% ‘people’ I don’t feel comfortable with my kids seeing
Be gay, I know gay people, power to the people.. fill your boots! But you don’t have to be offensively suggestive or weird like there’s a camp mode on button up your bum that gets switched on.
The world is going to ****, think of the developing minds seeing this gender reassigning and sexualised labels celebs give themselves which kids hear before they even understand reproductive sex.
Then wonder why they’re all so confused they’re watching porn and shafting each other up the dirt box without any respect or a kiss first
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In reply to Post #2682
It's ridiculous, and all the more confusing after the way they went after the South African semenya in the name of fairness
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In reply to Post #2680
Similar thoughts to me.
The testosterone is an interesting one though. Still think it’s an unfair advantage myself
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In reply to Post #2680
Not her fault though.
Remember when oscar pistorius had his fight to be able to compete in the olympics? He met qualifying criteria and they set out conditions in terms of 'fairness ' linked to his running blades.
I've mixed feelings on it.
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In reply to Post #2679
Still an unfair decision.
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In reply to Post #2678
Her inclusion is based on a measure of testosterone levels. She meets the criteria so is allowed to compete. Other factors like muscle and bone density that are generally higher in men aren't factors in the decision process.
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Transgender New Zealand weightlifter will be now competing in the Olympic Games, Dave Jane says it’s fair, ffs
Each to their own of course but it obviously won’t be at an advantage over the other female competitors
Saying that, I’m guessing they have been competing in the shotput for years
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In reply to Post #2676
Yep, they all sensationalise it to suit their agenda but the mail is so cringeworthy sometimes it’s amusing.
Seen a Scottish player tested positive 3 days after the England match, so that’s at least 23 people that must have it if it’s as infectious as we’re told?
Australia who have apparently done fantastically well with covid have jabbed 3% of the population. AZ vaccine is all that’s available really and it’s only for those over 60 or aboriginals/islanders... basically if you’re no use to us we’re using you as guinea pigs
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In reply to Post #2675
I just laugh at the way they promote the percentage increase as it is more stunning, up 24% is more grabbing than up by 2,000 of 66,000,000.
We in Swale had 1 case on a day last week and the next day 5. So thats a 4 person increase or infection rate surging and galloping away at 400% increase, what grabs the headline more?
So apparently respiratory infections will increase in the winter, no **** sherlock I can also predict that winter vomiting bug and colds will increase, along with slips and falls in the freezing weather
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More lockdowns and babies with pneumonia because of the first ones anyone?
only in the mail
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Was there actually anybody who didn’t think that Greek fella murdered his English missus recently?
Confessed because her smart watch data disproved his story lol hope he gets used as a **** puppet in prison
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In reply to Post #2672
But you would say that wouldn't you
Don't take that as a dig, I'm only jesting
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In reply to Post #2671
That's mainly down to a compliant client media who aren't really pushing this story. When Handjob went before the select committee the other week he was happy to say sCummings hadn't provided any evidence. Papers, BBC, and others all over it. Now he has - it's been pushed nowhere near as much.... as for the other thing Bob, it's Gammonbriton News for me. It has a clear agenda and there is ZERO balance there. Evidence? The way the oz trade deal is being heralded. Harrod's contributes as much to GDP as this does.....
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In reply to Post #2670
Probably what a lot of what Cummings says is true but he's not being taken as seriously as he would like.
If he's that concerned why didn't he say something at the time, why wait until he quit/sacked, because it's all done in spite and dummy spitting. And from a man who told us he was only testing his eyesight.
Boris is Teflon, It will all blow over in time.
Anyone been watching GB News, what do you reckon? From the little bits I've seen it's not as right wing as I thought it would be, maybe I'm wrong?
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So .... in light of Dominic Cummings' whatsapp revelation today, two things spring to mind
1 - how the hell did nobody twig early on that he was a Labour mole sent in to dismantle from the inside. I mean, just look at him!
2 - Regarding the Hancock comments, Boris must be furious. The first time he's actually been in touch with public opinion and he's forced to deny it....
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So a 4 week delay is coming because of rising cases! People should stop testing and see what happens.......
Little or no evidence to back this extra 4 week lock up.......Test events of over 50,000 people not wearing masks or social distancing produced 15 cases.........Complete madness! I refuse to wear ****ing mask anymore!!
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In reply to Post #2667
No you dont mate
But i know i got inside yours at 10.35 this morning
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Aaahhh! One of our resident village idiot speaks. Those left wing cretins really do live rent free in your tiny little mind, don't they?!
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In reply to Post #2665
Lefty cretins going mad tonight Boris takes a small plane from London to Cornwall for obvious reasons but thick Lefty's banging on about being Green etc all over Twitter
Biden the POTUS takes two jumbos from Norfolk (his via Manchester to Newquay ) of course if it was Trump the thick Lefty's would be going mad but because it's Biden not a word.
Fortunately these cretins wont see power for generations.
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In reply to Post #2664
It's something we have all "moaned" about on here over the last year, I guess the G7 team must read the forum on their dinner breaks lol
Good step forward for me and hopefully will spread to catch a wider group of tax fiddlers and not just big tech. If companies want to trade on our shores cough up, we could get trillions of revenue off them!
The only thing we need then is somebody who knows how to spend it right, we live in hope
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In reply to Post #2663
I think the bar is set a bit low at 15% but it's definitely a step forward. It means the likes of Amazon, Google etc. Won't be able to avoid paying the 100s of millions of pounds / euros / dollars or whatever that they have over recent years.
They'll be taxed in line with where money is earned rather than where they claim to be based.
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Google and Facebook have welcomed a G7 deal on tackling corporate tax avoidance by big tech companies.
The agreement will see a global minimum corporate tax of at least 15% - lower than a floor of 21% mooted by President Biden - and changes to which countries will benefit.
What do we think, a step forward, sense at last
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In reply to Post #2660
Happy as Larry Comrade.
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In reply to Post #2658
Well I’m Keeping it close to my chest whether I have or haven’t.......don’t want vaccination discussion to end up like if you voted leave or remain for Brexit or Tory / Labour at the last general election.......
Seen a very interesting video of that BLM women.......seems she likes to use racist speech herself.......
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In reply to Post #2654
Spinbowler is undoubtedly a wretch mate.
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In reply to Post #2656
You've got real issues haven't you it must be all that lead you've been breathing in.
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In reply to Post #2657
It's cause I care Wayne
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In reply to Post #2650
You keep asking that Mal buts what it got to do with them ****s up north?
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In reply to Post #2655
As a descendant, relative, friend and father of working class Londoners who have obviously always spoken the local slang of the time, I don’t think you’re in a position to tell me anything about urban subculture and language. Modern language is the evolution of integration. Well rape, murder and colonisation too but still.. Every major city in history has played it’s part in the evolution of intelligent communication, that has to evolve somehow. I agree that the Pratois has to go, but we had a midwife who spoke like that who saved my sons life... so what, this girl who is 10006633928x the human being you could ever dream of being should be neutered?
Yep, I’d gladly be judge and jury in the **** genocide. It could hardly be somebody suggesting people are evolving into a separate species based on socioeconomic circumstances and need sterilising.
That could earn a spot in my first draft for a screwdriver in the temple
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In reply to Post #2654
PMSL, I cant see where I was trying to educate you about city life?
Of course you are the only person to ever live in or visit a city
The ethnic cleansing bit is just funny, but yep in for a penny in for a pound with you being "the judge ,jury and executioner"
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In reply to Post #2652
That, or the people living in a perpetual hovis advert will realise it’s not 1973 anymore?
Never had you down for eugenics or ethnic cleansing but I’m not surprised.
Appreciate the educational about city life, I’ve only lived in the capital for my entire life.
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In reply to Post #2643
Chairman Mal,
This is the bit I like,
"i'll await the typical no-brain responses and name calling of course. ducks back / water to be honest. Black Lives Matter to me and I don't need the approval of the noisy mob"
There is a term for it but for the life of me I cant remember what it's called. Basically it's about getting your retaliation in first, anyone who disagrees is wrong and stupid etc etc. It's a way of shutting down the conversation, trying to control the moral high ground and shame any responder (it doesn't work with me)
It's a tactic/trait found in those who feel under threat and is something you can see everyday in the WOKE and Left community . (and in the rise of Nazi Germany)
I'm not surprised you're a teacher, you display some very strong/worrying controlling traits even in print.
The noisy mob are the majority, I'm not a Daily Mail reader, never have been. Haven't bought a paper in years in fact but that doesn't stop me knowing what you are.
Playing you at your own game, my son in law is Black.
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In reply to Post #2646
It is in their culture, there are now sub cultures in the big cities, with their own language and an outlook on life so different to the norm that they are and will in time evolve into a sub species.
The only way you can stop it is to stop the scum breeding, one day long in the future it will happen.
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In reply to Post #2649
Had mine and I’m a Northern ****
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In reply to Post #2649
had yours yet Wayne?
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I see them ****s up north still ain’t got their vaccines........
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In reply to Post #2646
Depends on your interpretation of culture, one here: the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society
Agree with a lot of that
There just aren’t enough jobs and homes for everyone to have it
Exactly that for me but people have to try and make themselves employable, the right attitude is everything for starters not the ones speaking jaFaican pRatois as you put it
My daughter struggled with the education, the reality is hard but she will get what she gets if she does not do something about it. same for everybody. That's the sad reality and while ever employment demands educational qualifications and certain skills people are going nowhere unless they do something about it
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In reply to Post #2646
some very good points in there mate
I watched a really interesting - and infuriating - programme the other night about ESN - educationally subnormal - schools and how black children were treated through the 60's / 70's even up to the 80's
for those who like to 'blame the parents', this is eye opening. happened in our lifetime - spanned a period where many of us were at school - so potentially the parents / maybe grandparents of the youth of today
the programme is well worth a watch on iPlayer
this is what systemic looks like....
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A few points mate. It’s a mindset these kids have, it’s not their culture. I’ve got enough West Indian and African mates to know that their parents often push education so hard they either excel or rebel.. These are problems, like Mal said, which aren’t racial. It’s poverty and lack of opportunity.
We’re overpopulated, on a little island and crammed into little cities among sprawling green pasture which the umpteenth generation farmers don’t want to grow as communities. So they end up with middle class holiday villages and big empty grey houses made of tin and bifolding doors.
You go a few miles in London, there’s little private schools where mainly white and Asian kids go. There are less pupils who live in bigger houses with bigger home and school grounds. They will generally be dropped off in a Tesla/range/Aston/Porsche/lambo... Then you look at the bus stop for free schools from the flats and houses where it’s possible to live, stacked on top of and next to each other, 90% of them are black kids and the white ones speak jaFaican pRatois to get accepted. (Even with a degree I worry these clowns won’t be employable unless they sort that **** out. It’s ridiculous)
End result..... great crime figures to push certain agendas forward annually because all these people are crammed onto postage stamps that can’t afford a lick of it. So drugs and petty crime pay the bills, keep the prisons ticking over and keep g4s or whoever is running the jails right now looking rosy on the markets!
Try searching with what you pay for your mortgage but in even a **** part of London, renting a 2 bed that often houses a family of 4. It’s not always possible to have more than a roof over your head and food on an average income, so what happens when angry kids need ****? They take it, and these ****s want/need it more than you so you could be brown bread if they don’t get it.
There just aren’t enough jobs and homes for everyone to have it. The country needs developing on big time or mass executions of ****s... I’m up for being the judge, jury and executioner for that
Stop making everyone hate each other, stop talking like idiots, make sure engineering and trades don’t die because everyone is an ‘influencer’ or activist, stop class A drugs getting in, invade Cornwall and free Mary Jane
Peace
Edit. Jail isn’t a deterrent, these kids have either been or are not concerned about going. They live in **** anyway
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In reply to Post #2642
it’s about time black people realised Black Lives Matter, because the middle class white Waitrose customers at the rallies can’t do much to change street issues.
Well said
It’s the culture that they are living in that needs to be broken down. Starts with the parents and then their lifestyles, hanging round in inner city gangs, or on street corners, no ambition other than a desire to be a rap star or a sports star and the sad reality is turning into a drug dealer or user to be part of the “image”, not many options and like I have said before, it starts at school, getting an education then a job and that is well off the radar for most, no interest for most whatsoever as I see it. Not part of the lifestyle and not part of the culture
In simple terms who would employ somebody with no education, or skills set. Money makes the world go round, that’s how our society works, you have to integrate into it or you get what you get. It is that simple. A lot of people cannot. Guess what, they need to!
I agree Noj, it starts at home first and the only people who can make the radical changes are themselves, far too easy to blame others all the time. It’s the lifestyle they are living. While ever our society is dictated by education or skills and then work it will dictate what we get. People need to be part of it and accept it, that’s a key point!
Or we can hang on for equal status where we all get a ration book of equal proportions then we can all sit around, smoke dope, get pissed and blame the government for everything that happens in our **** lives
Seriously, I would like to see the exam results (if they have any) of these drug dealers and murderers and get some stats together. I will guarantee there will be a distinct pattern and that is not going to school (parents) and not giving a **** at school because of the attitudes and lack of desire to integrate into our society, I bet the majority of them think they are “bigger” than school
Won’t be long before we see a teacher either stabbed or shot by some drug scum at school, put your money on it and the sad thing will be that this might start a radical change!
They need to up the sentences as a deterrent too, age is just a number with a lot of these teens, they know exactly what they are going. Carrying a gun, it’s 10 years, carrying a knife or other offensive weapon it’s 5. That should send the message out loud and clear. Use them and kill somebody it’s life and that means 25 years inside
I watched a podcast the other day with an ex criminal from Liverpool, he was a black lad and had been in a lot of trouble in his life and he started to talk about kids in these areas today and how they have no respect for anybody or anything. He admitted that he used to be a violent man when he was younger but it had got to the stage where they would think nothing of playing on their Xbox nowadays, going out and killing somebody and then go back home to play on their Xbox as if nothing had happened! Mental, and it’s the culture!
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In reply to Post #2643
Those who have it read to them
Conversely, the guardian would have us believe gang members learned to cook (coke~crack) to buy their younger siblings school shoes and carry a weapon for protection in their enterprise. In reality they are little ****s with nothing better to do than maim and kill in the name of a postcode or estate. I know there will be those hustling out of necessity, but often that necessity is a pair of yeezys or a moncler coat
Guns, and bullets, don’t come cheap and if people were that impoverished they wouldn’t be spraying blind into a crowd.
You know where I stand mate, but I think it’s all being done completely wrong. Stop showing kids reformed wrong uns turned mc/presenter etc. and show them genuine success through honest hard work and discipline
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In reply to Post #2642
I hope she pulls through - for the sake of her kids. And maybe learns a lesson about putting herself in dangerous situations. I thought the same thing - ' why the hell was she there?' maybe more will come out about that. she's said some questionable things - although if you change her gender and colour, and the word 'white' for 'black' and go back a few years, she'd probably have a bloody statue erected somewhere by now. regardless - she doesn't deserve this - nobody does for having a strong opinion, however misguided their 'tweets' might be.
some of the posts on social media are just vile. and depressingly, not at all surprising.
some other things to consider...
not all gang members are black. I know the Daily Mail - and those who read it / have it read to them - might say otherwise, but gun / knife / violent gang crime is more often drug related (county lines and the like) than a race issue. it's an ugly truth that people are happy to ignore. look at the demographic of the uk carp angling fraternity. mostly white male - a lot of whom are more than happy to wear their casual 'recreational pastime' as a badge of childish honour - not giving a toss about the background to where their 'gear' comes from.... just saying
the extreme political faction of the BLM movement don't speak for the many millions who support the underlying philosophy of equality and redressing the balance in systemic racism. They don't speak for me in the same way that the IRA didn't speak for many who supported the idea of Irish republicanism. As for the publicity - maybe it suits a pre-existing agenda to throw a spotlight on those divisive aspects of the BLM movement...? global support for the positive message - media scrutiny of the bits that keep the white 'right'? wouldn't be the first time that history was written with a bias would it?
your mate makes a good point. although maybe it's worth considering that black on black violence is often about fighting over the scraps as opposed to the systemic oppression of one race by another.
i'll await the typical no-brain responses and name calling of course. ducks back / water to be honest. Black Lives Matter to me and I don't need the approval of the noisy mob.
1 year (25th May) on from George Floyd's murder and we've still a long way to go.
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In reply to Post #2641
She’s into politics, as extreme as her views are, I don’t believe she’s part of a gang dispute in SE London. But I do wonder what a mother of young kids from Oxford is doing at a house party in Peckham at 3am with gang bangers..
The community won’t help the police, unfortunately people do often get hit in crossfire because these kids often don’t have the balls to stand toe to toe, or they’d be using a blade.
Cowardly behaviour but deadly for anyone mixing in the wrong circles at parties and clubs in inner cities.
Like my mate says (who is black) it’s about time black people realised Black Lives Matter, because the middle class white Waitrose customers at the rallies can’t do much to change street issues.
Ever wonder why so many deserving causes have gone unnoticed over the years, yet one as divisive in name, aims and actions as BLM gets global media recognition?
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In reply to Post #2640
Black on Black gang violence, ohh the irony.
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Nasty piece of work she is/was.
"White man will never be our equal, but our slave!"
Gang related? Could be interesting.
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In reply to Post #2637
Had yours yet Wayne?
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New variant bollox.......more dither and delay for **** all!!
If the most vulnerable to covid haven’t had their vaccine yet then **** um! Minority ****ing it up for the majority once again.......
Get your jabs dickheads!!!
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In reply to Post #2635
Wooooooooo
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In reply to Post #2634
Its the Vindaflue
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BREAKING NEWS ON COVID 19
Boris Johnson has just announced that due to the seriousness of the Indian variant the the NHS will be now offering the Punjab
On a more serious note. We need to take this serious, my neighbour caught it and he has been in a Korma for two weeks, he also just lost his Nan
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In reply to Post #2629
Chairman Mal, its a beautiful day......... in Hartlepool.
The crushing of the WOKE continues at pace. Never again in your lifetime.
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In reply to Post #2631
GINGR38 now over eastern Ukraine over the Donetsk/Luhansk/Mauripol border areas. Sabres rattling a bit harder now! Batten down the hatches!
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In reply to Post #2627
Two US high altitude svrveillance drones now in flight over Crimea and E Ukraine.
GINGR 68 flight pattern:
FORTE 10 flight pattern:
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In reply to Post #2626
The people who stuck the cladding on conformed to the legislation at the time.
I have a customer who clad a £250 million project in London around 6 years ago, they are now being paid £5 million to take that off and replace, the cost is covered by the NHBC warranty, there's a lot more to it than what you see on the TV.
Your right about it not falling on the tax payer, the government isn't at fault either it's an industry thing. Trust me some of the things I've seen and heard over the years regards on site standards on multi multi £million projects would make your toes curl.
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In reply to Post #2628
these guys are brilliant. tenacious and intelligent and with public interest in mind rather than 'contracts for mates' and self serving dodges.
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https://goodlawproject.org/news/ppe-urgent-hearing/
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In reply to Post #2614
US surveillance drones flying daily missions across the Crimean southern coastline, into Georgia and over eastern Ukraine. RAF emission tracing planes in the air too. As if the world hasn't got enough to worry about, now we have yet more Putin sabre rattling. Fill your tanks now, the cost of fuel will go through the roof the minute the first tanks starts to roll.
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In reply to Post #2625
The people who stuck the cladding on should be the ones replacing it at their cost, not the residents or the tax payer.
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To (mis)quote a certain George Orwell....
'All flats are equal - but some are more equal than others'
While Boris sinks ever lower as a human being, his despicable cronies push this through
Maybe Tory donors could chip in...
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In reply to Post #2621
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Just read a very interesting article in 'insect world' magazine. Apparently ants are immune to covid.
Because they have tiny little anty bodies....
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In reply to Post #2619
They don’t give a monkeys. I wouldn’t either..
Who else are they going to share the nations wealth with, bloody lgbtq+*# workshops in primary schools, non binary street dance troupe tours and Diane Abbott!?
On your bike
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In reply to Post #2618
You don't get parachuted into a safe Tory seat if you can't play the game and understand the rules of payback. So what if you get caught out feathering you and your families nests whilst in office on the public payroll. There's no consequences
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In reply to Post #2617
He won contracts, from himself granted, but money in the bank is money in the bank lol
What I mean is he clearly has contacts, which is what it’s all about really.. who you know
These ministers just seem to have slap dash accounts and get caught
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In reply to Post #2616
Not sure that buying shares in a company counts as relevant experience in the field ....
My old mam had shares in British Airways but I wouldn't ask her to fly me to Spain
And yep - he's a ****
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In reply to Post #2615
Conversely, we want ministers with real life experience in their particular position in the cabinet and pay them a pittance in comparison to what they could earn elsewhere 🤨
Not defending Hancock, he’s a ****. But I’d do the same
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I see Hancock and his sister have turned in a nice earner from the Welsh NHS.....
Of course the party line will be that no laws were broken and everything is just fine.
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A reported 107,000 Russian combat troops, 1300 battle tanks plus all the other instruments of war now amassed on the Ukrainian border. Vehicles being painted up with invasion insignia. Putin won't except Ukraine as a NATO member, still hoping for a Novorossiya in Ukraine and laying down the challenge to NATO members. Who will blink first.....
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In reply to Post #2610
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Its the flags I feel sorry for. They are getting shagged senseless.
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In reply to Post #2601
If it’s only 29 people and Andrew missed the cut I bet he offers to look after any kids that can’t attend with their parents......
I bet Megan woke up with a spring her step this morning! No doubt Harry is thinking history won’t repeat itself now neither.......
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In reply to Post #2609
I can also picture you looking like a mid-pubescent white Hendrix strolling into the fire station
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In reply to Post #2608
See my edit....
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In reply to Post #2607
‘I never wish ill on anyone’
I knew you were just teasing poor old Gavin
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In reply to Post #2605
as long as honesty, integrity or sweating aren't symptoms....
with regard to Prince Phillip - not one of my favourites, but I never wish ill on anyone* and the Duke of Edinburgh scheme has had a huge beneficial effect on decades of young people and good causes - especially in the Arts sector where young practitioners often need a helping hand and in inspiring young people to join the emergency services after the experiences they've had. I can remember my time spent with the local Fire brigade for my award even now.
So - RIP Duke
Edit - *except gavin Williamson
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In reply to Post #2604
They might tell him the funeral is in America
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In reply to Post #2604
Maybe he'll get covid symptoms on the day
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In reply to Post #2601
They'll be telling prince Andrew it's only 29....
And he just missed the cut
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In reply to Post #2602
Yes, that's the same for many in public life.
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In reply to Post #2601
What ever they choose, I'm sure they will be damned if they do, and damned if they dont.
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In reply to Post #2600
It's only 30 people, perhaps they'll use unnecessary travel as an excuse not to attend?
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In reply to Post #2599
Bet that funeral will be a tad awkward
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Looks like Meghan can stop checking her rear view mirror for erratically driven Range Rovers.
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In reply to Post #2596
Perhaps the army might respond if they didn't have to fill out so much paperwork to transport vital equipment there from England.....
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In reply to Post #2593
I really hope for heavy rain for the next week over Northern Ireland. Appalling lack of leadership again from Johnson and this one issue rookie government. Sort it out ffs before long-term very hard won gain's are lost and the consequences are huge
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In reply to Post #2594
I don't know about snacks, but you can get certain soft drinks delivered at all hours, at least that's what I think my neighbour meant when complaining around a year ago that he could call up for coke at 4 am and have it delivered in half an hour but he couldn't get bog roll or tinned tomatoes for love nor money
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In reply to Post #2592
There’s already a killing being made, only unregulated and untaxed; and jest as you may, but the ‘snack economy’ in the Netherlands makes a killing. You can’t scratch your left nut in Amsterdam without somebody charging you €20, for 50 you can even have them scratched... for 20 mins
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In reply to Post #2590
Like I said seems pretty organised. If the customs border would have been on the island of Ireland instead of in the Irish sea, (as brexiteers promised it would be, no partition of the UK). Would the same age rioters be getting arrested in West Belfast? Someone was always getting shafted, Johnson chose the Unionists.
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In reply to Post #2591
seriously there's a killing to be made if it is legalised. One of the university campuses has an infamous 'munchy man' who delivers at all times of the night to 'hungry students'...
might not be one for Dragon's den, but i reckon it's a good business opportunity for people who know their way around the LTN's...
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In reply to Post #2588
Snack economy That's about all that's left of the shops, nail bars and take away's!
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In reply to Post #2570
None in the slightest.This is their usual form,When the DUP don't get their way out come the big drums and flags,rattle on that the union is under threat and what you seen on the news is the result. Most of the people arrested are very young,as young as 12,must be a very angry smart kid to understand what is going on.
It's just a mirror image of what goes on in England with race,it's religion over here.
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it is legal for ex-PM Teresa May's hubby to grow and export cannabis to Canada and the USA.
but someone growing their own on their property for their epileptic kid gets prosecuted.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2580
Yeah as Duggs said it's a cynical vote bait. That potential 1bn for the treasury as a little sweetener for non stoners maybe
I'd be ok with them legalising it in London. The place is smelly anyway and the locals could do with being a bit more chilled out. Think of the boost to the snack economy too....
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In reply to Post #2586
Not neat but perfectly acceptable with a mixer
Best not to have a meal at all to get the best effect
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #2584
Regulation leads to education
It’s not socially or physically acceptable to drink 2 pints of gin with your lunch on a Sunday
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In reply to Post #2580
Trump being the perfect word, it's all the rage these days populism.
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In reply to Post #2580
By decriminalising it do they mean you will be able to buy it from shops, if so will the stuff be strong enough to satisfy the user? if not they’d still be an illegal market. Would the legal stuff be cheaper once taxes are applied.
Or will they let things carry on as it is now but won’t be a criminal offence? If so that won’t reduce gang crimes.
Weed use can have detrimental effects to some people’s mental health, how will they protected. I know they are not protected now, but it’s different when you legalise it.
Lots of questions and I’m not sure of the answers, all I know is the stuff stinks horribly and the smell can carry some distance, that includes when they grind it, let alone smoke it.
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In reply to Post #2582
Young black males stabbing young black males in drug turf wars doesn't fit their agenda.....
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In reply to Post #2581
I’d say it’s unenforceable and inevitable we follow the US eventually.
Probably a generational shift though. I’m not throwing stereotypes about by saying it, but I’m amazed blm hasn’t touched on it. Somebody will exploit this at some point. We’re letting kids dictate and then reassign their gender before they can buy a kitchen knife in Tesco while pushing processed carcinogenic garbage food to them but an adult can’t consume a plant... ffs they’ll be telling me next I can’t leave the house
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In reply to Post #2580
Sadistiq in cynical bid to get the yoof vote
Possession seems to be decriminalised anyway.
It needs to either be legalised or criminalised and enforced, the current situation is daft. Massive industry with yoots stabbing each other over turf
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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Well it appears Sadiq has revealed his trump card. Surprised it took him this long to think of it and only a matter of time before it happens if we are going to yield to the woke and the yoot dem. Half this forum will be having bloody kittens!
Not that Khan has the power to deliver, but the suggestion alone is a cunning weapon.
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In reply to Post #2577
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In reply to Post #2575
......FFS Mal.....
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In reply to Post #2576
More 'cess' than 'brad' these days....
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In reply to Post #2575
Says Mr Pitt
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In reply to Post #2574
You know when people see you and say 'oh god!' they aren't paying a compliment right?
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In reply to Post #2573
You have not seen it enough, chiseled by the gods is my moosh.......
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In reply to Post #2572
Yeah. .. your face upsets me the most too....
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In reply to Post #2571
Mine too Mal and is what upsets me the most.......
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2569
Not with a beautiful face like mine Wayne. That would be unfair to the world.
Chuffy. ... is it bad that some of the ideas on there seem appealing? (The farage one particularly strikes a chord)
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In reply to Post #2564
They may well be as you describe, clearly organised. No sympathy for being UK Unionists that feel they have been **** on by Johnson's Tory Brexit parties lies then?
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In reply to Post #2568
That’s about right.......
Wish they would shut up about these poxy passports! Hopefully a vote doesn’t get it through parliament. Next they will say mask wearing needs to carry on for ever to.......
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NHS is now institutionaly racist......
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In reply to Post #2565
My boozer and it’s clientele is so low you have to go upstairs to the basement.......
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #2563
To be fair Wayne if they let you in then the bar must already be pretty low (dwarf jokes ahoy!) is satan still popping in for his half of Guinness?
My local were very open and consistent on the signing in bit (and distancing, not being at the bar etc) last time. Even myself and the two old blokes who wandered in for last orders went in the book each night. Relaxed and polite about it all and nobody complained.
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In reply to Post #2562
Bunch of smack heads and dealers under a banner of convenience that is Loyalism
They haven't a clue
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Still a big push for passports! Glad to know my local will not be taking any notice of it........
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Rioting in South Belfast, far more serious and inflammatory than the recent women's protest and the protests about the Tory control bill.
Priti must have missed that one, not heard a squeak from her yet, or maybe because it's a DUP mob she didn't....
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In reply to Post #2560
Yep. Wink wink nudge nudge old boys brigade.
And considering those are the media channels read by the masses, we all know what happens... spanker told us once or twice.
But! The alternative is? The sole purpose of the Labour Party is basically to nip at heels. They’re a glorified union fronted by, often, bell ends.
If they got in, business, the media and the flock would get them out again.
By allowing the sticky fingered nonce ****s too much of the pie over generations we are at their mercy for crumbs.
Take your number and vaccine, keep in line and don’t let Diane abacus help with your tax return
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In reply to Post #2559
I was doing a sarcasm. .
That said, even through those metal eyeholes you can surely see that the posh white men in charge of the media are much more forgiving of the posh white men in politics when it comes to their crimes and misdemeanours.
Old boys club maybe?
And Diane does have a terrible fringe
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In reply to Post #2557
Like men some women get a hard time, some don't, nothing to do with being posh or white.
Take a look at her fringe, she looks thick,
Listen to how she talks, she sounds thick
When she speaks she makes mistakes, again makes her sound thick.
I can't be the only one that thinks that or it wouldn't be a talking point?
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In reply to Post #2556
With the odd moth departing his cardigan as he gives her the LD (little d...)
This decision of his was enough evidence to me that he could never have been in charge of a country, he can’t even be trusted with genitalia. I mean she is an abomination!
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In reply to Post #2554
It's different for boys
Especially rich, posh white ones...
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In reply to Post #2555
The other half being Mr Corbyn, as reported a few years ago, is surely infinitely worse ... yet that spaffed did not include taxpayers' cash.
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In reply to Post #2554
Please, Jon. I prefer to think of the lovely Miss Abbott in the same way as a sea sponge or worm, the image of a beast with hers as one of it’s backs horrifies me
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I think there are convincing arguments on both sides of the vaccine passport debate. It's a difficult one..
Imagine this though ... a high level politician. A high level politician that no one knows how many kids they have, with however many partners, thanks to their legal intervention, is shagging someone they fancy who they appoint as 'an advisor'. They are shagging this 'advisor' while their spouse is receiving treatment for cancer. They pay said 'advisor' over 100K of taxpayers cash for who-knows-what, before jacking it all in to focus on their Carrie .. I mean career, obviously.
Now imagine that high level politician were Dianne Abbott, and compare the newspaper headlines over the last week..
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In reply to Post #2551
I guess that's because someone reiterating that a problem exists - when it does exist - is less of a thing to object to... maybe? If you look at the previous reports and then what was actioned it gives a fuller picture.
And you're right that the report does point to some issues that need addressing. Albeit ones that previous reports had already identified.
As for my sis and the antibodies she was saying something along those lines too just yesterday. Work are asking all staff - even vaccinated - to still have regular tests so far. Same for me at school actually. Still expected to do the tests as well.
Tinhead, Andy - when I went to visit my mam in the care home in did a test on arrival. Waited in the car for a text about 20 minutes for the all clear. Then I was allowed in. Could work for pubs if people really wanted it to I guess
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In reply to Post #2548
Mal didn’t your sister have CV so that may give her some immunity? Can’t she have blood tests for antibodies regularly?
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In reply to Post #2544
I didn’t hear many objections when that race baiter David Lammy produced his report stating UK was institutionally racist from a person who always cried institutional racism every time.
To many people today trying to make a living out of division both real, imagined and fabricated. Without the division, outrage and inequalities their bank accounts would be empty and their perceived status nowhere.
The latest report is not all sunshine and pasture lands, it admits there are still problems and challenges ahead, but let’s forget that part and attack the headline it’s good for business 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #2549
I think it could be the way to go, not sure how it will work though, maybe one that's been done up to 48hrs before? Obviously doesnt make it foolproof, but reduces the risk
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In reply to Post #2548
I know it's easier said then done but how about tests for those who haven't been vaccinated?
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In reply to Post #2547
Fair points all.
My sister is in the can't have the vaccine club. She simply has regular tests at work that give her the all clear. A 15 minute wait isn't too much to ask.
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In reply to Post #2546
I do agree with the sentiment about protecting others, but when your chief medical advisor comes out with a statement about living with covid like we do the flu, then it's very easy to try and compare the two, well how we act socially at least.
Another question those who cant have the vaccine will they be allowed into pubs and restaurants anyway?? clearly apart from saying no there is no difference between someone who cant have the vaccine to someone who has refused it.
Think we are heading down a dangerous hole here, which maybe 2 years ago would of been swept aside as a silly idea, now becoming the norm
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In reply to Post #2545
Absolutely take your point. I do think we are way past the flu parallels now given the context of the last year though.
There are people of all ages who, for medical reasons, can't have the vaccine. A little extra safety for them is a small price to ask I think. It's not 100 per cent, but it's better than zero.
If everyone is offered it with clear understanding of the benefits and potential restrictions then I'm not opposed to businesses protecting themselves, their staff and their customers. It doesn't need to be forever. It could just be a way of getting businesses open again a bit sooner and safer.
Lots of grey areas I know. Like my head...
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In reply to Post #2543
The thing is there is no flu passport, which in some peoples case can be as deadly. Sure, it could mutate, but there are no guarantees that the current protection would be good enough. I'll have the vaccine when offered, but absolutely against using it against someone who hasn't.
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In reply to Post #2538
Maybe rishi should come to get a box of hot wings from KFC Blackburn. ..
It was a farce from start to finish. Let's pay someone who has already gone on record denying institutional racism to produce a report that fits the view that institutional racism doesn't exist here.
It's like asking Tazi's builders to do the surveying and QA report on their own work. 'No problems here mate!'
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In reply to Post #2539
Devils advocate here - you could flip that and say 'what's the objection?'
I guess from a business owner perspective it only takes one positive case traced to their premises and they are back in shut down again losing money and sending staff home.
Pubs do proof of age without fussing which I know is slightly different but it does show that processes can be simple enough.
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In reply to Post #2541
I don't sense any anger from here in Italy. Firms with UK suppliers have, in many cases, found other EU suppliers to make life easier, and it's very much as case of 'whatever' now.
The EU's disastrous handling of Covid and the vaccine rollout has little or nothing to do with brexit. The 'Oxford' bit of the AZ is only used by the British media. As far as everyone here is concerned AZ is a multi-national with plants all over Europe, it's certainly not seen as a 'British' vaccine.
Too much of that sovereignty that the UK was so worried about letting every country do what it wants with no coordinated plan to do anything. Bloody shambles. But brexit's old news here ... noone gives a toss now. Except me, because I can't use my favourite bait suppliers.
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There is considerable anger within the EU at the UK over Brexit and the Bloc is behaving like a sulky baby. The sooner the EU accepts that Brexit is done and dusted and starts to look at the bigger picture the better. The UK deems it better to be outside the EU. Perhaps the EU could simply get on with it and look on the bright side for once and consider that the Bloc is actually better off post Brexit.
Look for the advantages that may result instead of harping on all the time about the disadvantages. The Bloc as a whole has enormous bargaining power and could easily form new (and better?) alliances if it would just get up off its asre and stop pouting like a sulky child. It's distaterous handling of Covid and the vaccines is a classic example of the EU shoting itself in the foot because of a strop over Brexit. OK, maybe this is over simplifying things but Macron in particul;ar should stop doing a De Gaulle and try leading for once in his pampered, priviledged life.
(And this is from a staunch anti-Brexiteer, BTW.)
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In reply to Post #2539
Concerns the virus could mutate and re-infect those who have been vaccinated.?
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In reply to Post #2538
Covid passports rearing their heads again. With the majority of over 50's vaccinated, and all the vulnerable vaccinated, what is the actual point?
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Rishi Sunak Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Comments on the government's own Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities -
"But if I think about the things that happened to me when I was a kid, I can't imagine those things happening to me now."
You'd think this guy was good with numbers given his position. He's 40, where does he think the people that were racist towards him have gone
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In reply to Post #2535
Apparently they're all Russian to get hold of it....
This joke was brought to you by the 1970's
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In reply to Post #2534
I've heard it's a novichok variant.
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Well, well, well. Merkel and Damien Macron Thorn now knocking on Putins door for his vaccine. Hmmmm.
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In reply to Post #2531
Yeah that'll be why on here
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In reply to Post #2530
Canada nearer to USA than Europe, no blood clot cases so follow the money
Germany lack of vaccinations so lets restrict it to show we are doing something and really care about our population by ****ing them over!
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In reply to Post #2530
Probably because Canada's vaccination programme is not impacting on ours?
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Odd that Canada has done the same thing as Germany re the AZ vaccine with NO blood clot cases but doesn't get a mention, wonder why
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In reply to Post #2527
You wouldn't hear that if they had a good supply. They've ****ed up with the ordering, so rather than admit it they come out with this cobblers, try to frighten people here and try to stall our success.
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In reply to Post #2527
Dumb ass German political stance bolsted by that **** Macron the **** stirrer to make the UK vaccine less desirable simply because we left the EU.........****s!!
If there is money to be made then im sure someone will have an agenda!
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FFS Germany now refusing under 55's the AZ Covid jabs. Citing 31 cases, including 9 deaths, in 2,700,000 as evidence of failure of the vaccine! But its still OK for over 55's, surprisingly they are far behind their predicted inoculations so lets cover this by again raising problems with the jab to cover their own failings.
One for the conspiracy theorists, earlier this year AZ was suspended for blood clotting problems, although Pfizer had similar if not identical figures.
Pfizer £20 a jab, AZ £4 a jab. Big Pharma pushing an agenda and profits anyone?
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In reply to Post #2524
Yes correct, but still happy to allow people in the pubs. So moving forward if say 70% of people take up the offer of having a vaccine, then the risk is even lower now than what it was in the summer
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In reply to Post #2519
Yeah. It's none of their business when you take your holidays. Nosey beggars.
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In reply to Post #2522
How about the simple fact we didn't have a vaccine back then.
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In reply to Post #2522
Bitter experience perhaps?
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In reply to Post #2521
The government and pubs were happy for us all to enter without a vaccine in the summer, cant see why that will change
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In reply to Post #2520
I don’t think so Paul, vaccine for travel to another country, acceptable in my mind but pubs etc.......draconian and really not needed IMO......
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In reply to Post #2518
Straight out of the Trump team playbook. Only Johnson is more worrying as he has all but one of the media barons onside. Trump only had one
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In reply to Post #2518
Any pub that requires you to show whether you've had a vacation or not deserves to be boycotted in my opinion
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In reply to Post #2517
I think Boris is a ****ing idiot, but you have got to hand it to him nobody in media is talking about the vote in Parliament to extend powers, vaccine wars, illegal immigrants or "kill the bill" its all been about Pub passports
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So good to see the Pub / Hospitality sector kicking back about bloody vaccine passports.......
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In reply to Post #2514
All about public perception for me and the press and now any clown with a camera phone laps it up
I’m up for that Rich, snatch squads, drag the ****s out, give them some shoe, in the van, let the music continue to play
Imagine the media and the public outcry from the snowflakes when somebody is being a **** and they get some baton, so out of order
****ing human rights don’t come into it, if I was there and been a **** I would deserve what I got, I am sick of this fluffy nice to have image, next time there is a football riot they should send out the snowflakes with a feather duster to stop the violence
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In reply to Post #2510
protests that cause annoyance or are too loud
I forgot to say we were LOUD!
Police said keep off the roads, fair enough we did, but we stood on the kerb and encourage motorists to sound their horns, which they did and as they were stuck in gridlock the sound was deafening, it was really funny.
What wasn't funny was seeing two ambulances getting delayed. (covered on the other thread)
Did the protests achieve anything? Partially yes
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In reply to Post #2512
The point is, there are plenty of laws which already exist under which the idiots kicking off the other day can be arrested and prosecuted.
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put some plain clothed crowd snatchers amongst any more protests. anyone playing up, drag em down an alley and give them a dig. I for one say let the po po smash the **** out of them. just sending out our police with just a shield is a joke. and water cannon the scruffy gits.
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In reply to Post #2510
Scandinavian model,
Forget that. Our culture is worlds apart from theirs. They have a lot of self discipline where as we do not!
Simple for me. If people feel so strongly about something where they want to protest against something, crack on. Inflicting pain, suffering on others and smashing personal or public property is out of order and there needs a line drawing somewhere along the line. That’s why I maintain, if you want to act like a ****, be prepared to be treated like one, simple
My thoughts entirely Tinhead
The point I'm trying to make is if you demo peacefully you can still get your point across
As soon as it’s violence and rioting, forget it, the whole point of the protest has been lost, ****ing idiots
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In reply to Post #2510
I actually went on 3 demonstrations last September/October.
We weren't allowed to march but we were allowed to gather with social distancing. The police told us that under covid restrictions we could be told to disperse without notice. We told them we planned to gather for no more than 2 hours on each occasion and then disperse promptly. The police allowed us to do our thing and stood out of the way. When we finished each session I personally went up to them and thanked them and they seemed to appreciate it, I think they actually agreed with our cause but not could not say.
The point I'm trying to make is if you demo peacefully you can still get your point across.
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If it had turned violent all that would have happen is make the idiots implemented these traffic schemes the good guys.
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It all depends on the direction you want society to move in.
Towards the Scandinavian model, where human rights are recognised, kids don't get hit, and people generally get along pretty well and are happy? Or towards Taliban controlled parts of Afghanistan, where people are strung up from lamp posts for looking at someone the wrong way.
This new bill seeks to outlaw protests that cause annoyance or are too loud? Eh?
You may think it's no big deal and will help clear Greta's mates from the road, but next time it could be something you want to protest about. Bob's Low Traffic Area shambles, for example. Why on earth should people like him be prevented from protesting about the scheme if they want to.
There are endless examples of society only moving forward as the result of protests which caused lots of annoyance to others. Civil rights and suffrage for example. Perhaps governments should take notice before big protests are necessary, but almost outlawing them is a dodgy step backwards for any democracy.
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In reply to Post #2505
Part of my day to day is the much lesser risk of some testosterone fuelled Y10 getting mouthy and calling me a ****. Should I be showing him who is boss by resorting to the same thing? If there's a fight at break, should we send in the ex military tech teacher to beat them up? No.
Not beat them up but discipline them yes, you see Mal I believe that's a little part of the problem discipline in schools has even succumb to the fact that these kids nowadays know they can get away with it it's where these little darlings start to learn that there are no harsh consequences even the parents have no forms of discipline, I know it was different times being brought up and educated in the 70's early 80's but we had parents and teachers who could use punishments as a deterrent lots of them.
What have we/you got now, oh Timmy you do that again and its ten minutes time out on the naughty step for you my boy, I had the cane once in 1979 at primary school from an ex army corporal headmaster at the ripe old age of eight for starting a fight with a friend who had kicked my football over the school wall into the factory next door with no chance of getting it back, I never had it again didn't want too and when I got home and told my parents the old man responded with sounds like you deserved it and clipped me around the ear for good measure.
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In reply to Post #2506
And while I pretty much agree with mal, the reason restrictions on ‘protests’ need addressing is because of this quote.
As a teacher Mal, you must have given the lecture on one or two spoiling it for everyone else.. Same principle, the authority needs to stand their ground and implement the punishment. Successive lessons/terms/years/teachers/governments may well reverse it, but the class/public learn a valuable lesson in doing what the **** you are told
I’m not defending this bill, I haven’t read it.. But there has to be change because peaceful protest is not just holding up the rush hour if somebody’s mum dies waiting in traffic in an ambulance!
I’m sure the bill makes threats of long prison sentences, not smacking people in the mouth?
It’s not about helping your fellow man if by gluing or tying yourself to something stupid there is a succession of ****. It’s selfish and childish most of the time.
Personally, I find protests ridiculous.. I’d be embarrassed being associated with 90% of those you see at these things. I’m a people person, I just dislike lots of people
Give me peace, love and fruit punch. I’m all for it!
But if a ‘protestor’ even put a dent in my car or van, let alone hurt my family I would execute them where they stood
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In reply to Post #2505
As for your anecdote- so it's ok for the big policeman to punch someone out?
It’s the law, you can use reasonable force that is proportional to the circumstances. Same as anybody in the land, if you are attacked you can defend yourself. If your on your property then it’s disproportional, meaning if you were attacked and feared for your life, well, you could virtually get away with killing them!
I prefer the motto 'to serve and protect' over 'don't mess or we'll **** you up'
I guess we could come to some agreement around that
I don’t condone all these riots, it’s wrong and a lot of it for me is down to self discipline. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt or worse, as long as it’s somebody who deserves it, then that’s fair game to me, an innocent bystander or somebody who’s job it is to uphold the law, that’s out of order for me
We are going to end up in a proper mess if we are not careful. When I look at this country some of the antics are shameful and pathetic, like spoilt kids ****ing rioting. You know, all the freedom and privileges that we have compared to other countries, it’s pretty poor isn’t it over here, still not enough, ****ing idiots
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In reply to Post #2503
Unfortunately even the most peacefully intended protest can be spoiled by the mindless few who will hijack it for their own desire for violence and vandalism.
If I was on a protest and it turned violent i'd walk away. If every non violent person done that then the police would be left with a small minority to deal with, but for some reason people who are usually sensible feel the need to get involved, I've never understood that.
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In reply to Post #2504
I expected you would disagree.
My view is simple. If the way to 'win' is to be the person who can hit hardest / shoot the most people / drop the bigger bomb then that's the only message you are sending out - I.e. That violence is the way forward. Which will breed more and more of those horrible ****s you rightly say are out there.
If the message you want to put out is 'be careful' then it begs the question 'or...?' To which your response seems to be 'or I'll hit you'. That's your basic dictatorship/ police state right there. Not for me I'm afraid.
As for your anecdote- so it's ok for the big policeman to punch someone out? No. It's not. Because that little toe rag who hit the female officer now has grounds to claim unfair treatment by the police. So he gets off / or a lighter sentence. And is back out doing the same horrible **** tricks again.
I'm not saying people take the job to get punched in the face, but they shouldn't be taking the job thinking it gives them free reign to do it either. It's a known risk when recruits sign up. And it's why there's respect for officers who put themselves in the firing line (from many if not all). Part of my day to day is the much lesser risk of some testosterone fuelled Y10 getting mouthy and calling me a ****. Should I be showing him who is boss by resorting to the same thing? If there's a fight at break, should we send in the ex military tech teacher to beat them up? No.
I prefer the motto 'to serve and protect' over 'don't mess or we'll **** you up'
Just realised I've given Pritti her next police bill title there...
Peace and love.....
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In reply to Post #2503
Meeting violence with violence won't solve anything
Tend to disagree with that Mal, it’s the message that it sends out, the right one, be careful. What’s the old saying, if you carry a big stick it very unlikely you will need to use it. However, if you come under constant scrutiny it comes to the point you cannot use any force, or that’s what the snowflakes probably want, everybody will want a piece of the action because they know they can get away with it, and they will, and that’s is exactly what we are heading towards now
There are some proper horrible ****s about and until a snowflake gets popped or beaten up by one they will never realise!
Last night, happens near on weekly, a female police officer got a good hiding by a “man” she had a student with her, he got one too. Good news is one of the team used to be a body builder and ex prison officer, 20 stone of muscle, sparked the **** out, and that happens REGULAR!
I suppose you are going to say that’s the joys of the job aren’t you? Yeah, people take a job to get their face smashed in don’t they!
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For what it's worth...
I absolutely condemn violent protest. And any that endangers the health and safety of others.
Sometimes protest needs to be disruptive to get attention. If it doesn't affect let's say rush hour traffic, then most people are so self centered that they'll just carry on ignoring it as 'it doesn't affect them'. Ask the tube drivers union reps... they'll be able to explain it.
Meeting violence with violence won't solve anything.
Unfortunately even the most peacefully intended protest can be spoiled by the mindless few who will hijack it for their own desire for violence and vandalism.
The bill contravenes (potentially) the bill of human rights that we as a country are already signed up to.
It's just one of many ways in which Patel is manoeuvring laws and regulations to suit her increasingly totalitarian state. The possible end point of this is that all public opposition and protest will be deemed illegal. Scary prospect. Or at least it should be.
And Gavin Williamson Can **** off
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In reply to Post #2500
You say "this lot" as if all politicians aren't corrupt.......
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In reply to Post #2499
Yep , it did get a bit lively and yes , the di**heads have given Priti Patel more amo to push through her bullsh** bill , things are going to get very ugly over the next few years , it's inevitable , the establishment is out of control in the UK and we are being exploited , this government is close to being a mafia and we are heading in the direction of an authoritarian state to enable it !
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In reply to Post #2498
Very very naive , have you not been paying attention to how corrupt this lot are , this bill will enable them to stop any protest , would you trust them with that power , are you always this naive ???
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In reply to Post #2498
Agree, peaceful protest, crack on
Start with violence against other people and property and that is out of order. First to condone football thugs, these ****s are no different. Cant control themselves and all they are looking for is somebody to take there anger out on, pathetic people. If they want blood, give them some of their own I say, **** em
It will get to the stage, if it hasn’t already where you can’t touch the ****s without been scrutinised by the press of self takes. If you are part of it you deserve all that you get for me
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In reply to Post #2497
They are not taking away the right to stand shoulder to shoulder for a common cause..
They’re taking away the right to stand in the middle of a busy road to do it.
What is peaceful about disrupting other people’s lives and businesses?
Don’t politicise it, the people playing up aren’t there to protect any rights or freedoms.
They are just ****s
Are you sure you’re alright? Are you irritating in person too?
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In reply to Post #2496
You think this government should have the right to take away our right to demonstrate , would you call all those people who stood up against , Iraq war , poll tax were unjustified , you have a very twisted view on demonstrators , this lot should not be trusted with the power that they have , they prove why daily and Priti Patel , she was sacked by Cameron for good reason .
When the means for peaceful protest is denied there is only one option , they know what's coming and are trying to stop it before it arrives !
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In reply to Post #2494
If you want to be right on and slip on a hemp cardigan, go and protest for whatever you want. I haven’t got a problem with the gathering in ‘lockdown’ and funnily enough neither would the police.
It’s the ****s in society who predictably exhibit the exact behaviour this bill came in for. Selfish ****s, risking other people’s safety for going to work. Absolute vermin and the **** on society’s boot.
I’ve never understood shouting at the police at a protest, what are they supposed to do? They just work for the man
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Well , after the latest American AZ test results the EU are going to be desperate to get their hands on it now !
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In reply to Post #2493
Agree
Should not be there, stupid ****s
1. Round them all up, £5000 fine, that will go towards the PPE bill and damage thank you. Better still, spray them with dye, its pink this week, look out for the ****s
2. Inform their employers, what a **** you employ
There should be no social gatherings, some idiots just feel they have the right to take to the streets when they like, ****ing muppets!
And as for protests, when they are allowed, not ideal at all but if it’s a peaceful one then fair play. Any rioting, hit them hard, set an example, please!
****ing human rights, you deserve to get treated like you act towards others for me, hit somebody, expect the same back, ridiculous!
Those ****s all over the van wanted dragging off and battering!
Like you Jon, I just get sick of seeing these ****s
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So the protest against the banning of peaceful protests has turned into bedlam. These same ****ing idiots wonder why measures need bringing in to begin with
I’m all for sticking it to the man and whatnot but ffs you wonder why the police don’t feel the need to clump more of these ****s.
Ah well, they’ll all soon go back to their day jobs when we go to war with the Jerries again over vaccine supply and the enemy actually fight back.
Let’s all throw figures around about unsolved rape and assault cases, then torch some police vans and smash up the nick to make it even less likely those crimes will be allocated the staff they deserve.
Stop the bloody earth, I’m getting off
****s
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In reply to Post #2491
Nope, 47 million, though I had put that
Have now
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In reply to Post #2487
£47? For what part of it?
Surely that's not total costs
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In reply to Post #2489
Alex Salmon could of lost his liberty because of what she concocted , she should suffer the same fate ,poisonous woman.
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In reply to Post #2488
All to do with personalities. When Sturgeon first appeared on the scene I was impressed at first, now I find her an irritating Jimmy Kranky. Plenty of work for her in panto when lockdown has fully finished.
House of Lords needs doing away with or at minimum it needs a MAJOR rethink
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In reply to Post #2487
It costs £47 for the house of lords ? eh , to all those that get triggered by the sun and express etc calling people in the uk scroungers , this is where it peaks , parliament !
So if Nicola Sturgeon has to resign for misleading parliament , as most uk politicians have said , including Doris , why hasn't he and his bent cronies resigned as they have been found to mislead parliament every week ???
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One for the politicians amongst us lol
Well, I saw an interesting piece on the news this morning. It costs £47 million for the House of Lords, you know, those born with a silver spoon in their mouths
Thought I would have a quick google out of interest and see what the House of Commons costs, you know, the business men with invested interests who are supposed to represent the public, us commoners
The cost of running both Houses of Parliament in 2018/19 was £560.4 million – an above-inflation increase of 7.3% on the previous year
Those commoners can spend a bob or two £
I bet when Oliver Cromwell sorted that out, was it? I bet he could never imagine the shower of **** that we are in today
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In reply to Post #2484
I'm going to send Tazi's builders in
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In reply to Post #2483
Yes , we all know that there are pockets of corruption everywhere , but when the ones running the show are so obviously corrupt and seem to get away with it on a daily basis , it emboldens everyone with similar intentions !
And if anyone thinks that our government is concerned with regard to helping others out of poverty or guiding countries to democracy they are sorely mistaken , it's all about our economic foreign interests and always has been .
We are guided to vote in their interests to sustain the status quo by billionaire press and media owners and if anyone threatens the status quo they are smeared or not given a platform !
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In reply to Post #2483
fair enough - got to take care of your leafy suburbs eh?
as for PP - I'm going to send Tazi's builders in - that'll serve her right
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In reply to Post #2482
As you've probably read I'm more concerned about local matters, stuff that directly affects me and my family,
As I say to Spanker, **** is everywhere and it starts at a local level, it's not exclusive to those at the top.
Peace and love man.
When PP gets in I know two people on here who'll be able to do her a very expensive posh kitchen
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In reply to Post #2481
- I'll bring my cider flask
£200k might be **** all to you your lordship but for us public sector workers it's fantasy money
and it being just for temporary accommodation makes it worse!!! Pritti will want it all changed when she takes over.
(I wonder if you can get wallpaper with pictures of your favourite dictators on it...) ....
you're right of course on the typical of wealthy countries. I just wish we could be different for once. Yo know what they say 'give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he'll eat forever' (if he uses the right bait of course!) . Maybe it needs updating - 'sell a man a fish and he'll be in your financial control for ever...'
peace and love man
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In reply to Post #2480
Typical approach by all wealthy countries, that's not to say I think that's acceptable.
This news is a bit patchy at the moment, wait until we find out what other countries are involved and I'll find a few to cherry pick and I'll pick on them.
BTW 200k is **** all and it's not his flat, it'll still be there when he's gone.
If you're going to buy me that pint you better start saving up, nothing is cheap in London
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In reply to Post #2479
of course - but it's the UK that's most relevant to us.
and it's typical of the selfish Tory approach - keep the poor under the thumb / boot so they 'depend' on the rich to look after them... like I said, not surprising but no less ****ty
meanwhile Boris spends £200 grand on refurbs for his flat while people can't afford the mortgage on an entire house that cost less than that. It's got to start winding you up at some point....
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In reply to Post #2478
Not just the UK it says wealthy countries. Not saying that makes it right but lets not single us out as being the only culprits. Assuming it's not fake news of course!
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In reply to Post #2474
Those call centres are generally useless, but I’d not hesitate for a second to allow my kids to have a tutor from India or Sri Lanka. After all, they more often than not leave white British kids behind in education.
The system itself is brilliant, we can’t afford to tutor these kids and anyone prepared to work for minimum wage here thinks 8 beans make 5. The tutors also get help with their own costs and to help their families.
Young people here and abroad will suffer because of the ‘London office’
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In reply to Post #2475
According to Hooper, every TSL session for the national tutoring programme costs £18.33, £9.50 of which pays for programme design, customer support, technology and finance in its London office, with £5.36 for tutor training and development at the Colombo office, and on average £3.07 per tutor per session. Hooper said the company makes 2% profit on each NTP session, which equates to 40p.
I'm all for keeping money within the UK but I suppose whether the costs would be viable?
The pupils have to pay 25% of the session (another debate in itself) so maybe this way makes it affordable?
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In reply to Post #2471
Yes..... the points the article is making are these
- this is taxpayers money that's gone to the private sector
- they are putting that money in their pockets and outsourcing the work and paying peanuts.
- why not invest this money at home with those schools
- that's your tax pounds going to enrich private companies.
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In reply to Post #2473
It's nothing new, not so much now but many companies had mainly Indian call centres for many years to save money.
Not saying it's right.............just saying.
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In reply to Post #2471
Underpaid and exploited I agree. The flip sid of the coin is these thick ****ing politicians may see that as a blue print to save costs
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In reply to Post #2471
Ignore that, Nike make trainers for under £1........
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In reply to Post #2470
Am I missing something here as I did speed read it. Is the problem that they are being under paid?
it's a minimum of £1.57 and the average is £3.02 which in Sri Lanka where they are based is 2.5 times the estimated equivalent graduate salary and is 15 times the minimum wage.
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In reply to Post #2469
£1.57
I may be looking at this from a different perspective. That does not surprise me one bit. I bet they would like to pay everybody in this country that if they had the chance. One thing for sure, I would love to pay those ****s that, you know, what they are worth
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Still think you're not having your trousers pulled down?
This link is about tutors from places like sri lanka as young as 17 are being used to teach maths for as little as £1.57 an hour under a flagship government scheme to teach maths to under privileged children in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/mar/19/uk-tutoring-scheme-uses-sri-lankan-under-18s-paid-as-little-as-157-an-hour
This one is about how foreign and billionaire tax exiles have used furlough the enrich themselves even further
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/19/uk-furlough-scheme-pays-out-millions-to-foreign-states-and-tax-exiles
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In reply to Post #2461
Me too in an hour
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Those that make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable , JFK !
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In reply to Post #2465
I’m sure they do........And as long as they continue to not arrive in the small town I live in I’m happy.......can’t stand the smell of bonfires ......
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In reply to Post #2464
Or not. Just turn up the nationalist mood music whilst achieving sweet FA, the mug's will lap it up.
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In reply to Post #2455
Well PP can sort it then......
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In reply to Post #2461
I know you're joking but can you imagine the consequences if it did happen
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In reply to Post #2456
Agreed
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I see Blojo is to get the AZ jab...we can but hope...Pretty please
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In reply to Post #2459
Man, I hope she gives me a good number but I don’t want to eat insects..
Go priti.. up the blues 🏆🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑
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In reply to Post #2452
Her evilness has nothing to do with her gender.
I'm told she 'identifies as human' but I kid you not she's a bloody reptile.
When you're all wearing sacks with numbers on and tags on your ankles as you rush home to meet curfew then you will remember my warnings...
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In reply to Post #2454
They are pulling our pant's down on a daily basis , you are so naive !
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In reply to Post #2452
Have no not clicked yet? He is just jealous of her haircut
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EU just admitted that the AZ vaccine is safe , which they knew all along , Whatever game they were playing i think that our April vaccines have just gone to them !
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In reply to Post #2454
But they're not, and aren't going to be as we removed ourselves from the Dublin convention with no other plan, that's the reality suck it up. Now it's our problem soley, we've "taken back control"
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In reply to Post #2453
That’s because France are fecking useless and allow it from their / there / they’re coastline as fishie says. All them lads should be taken back to their / there / they’re countries of origin once stopped in any European country......
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In reply to Post #2451
As a feral Brexiteer and member of government PP should take responsibility for making it more attractive to sneak into the UK and claim asylum. Failed to replace the Dublin convention agreement with ANYTHING when that went out the window when we "Got Brexit Done". A massive reason for the increase in channel crossings.
Still the mug's lap it up.
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In reply to Post #2450
Mal
Have you had the jab yet as your mysogonistic side is coming out
Yes she's playing to middle England both Labour and Tory.
Heres a simple answer get the Gendarme to trawl all the coastal towns and coast of France and no ID card, you either get deportation or claim asylum as the last time i looked France was a safe country. They will soon get their neighbouring countries lower down to intercept these poor unfortunate refugees and offer them a safe haven or deportation. But hey ho France cant even decide to take or store vaccines!
Hat, coat, UBER
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In reply to Post #2449
I said that many times last year and was told to back up my conspiracy theories ........
Quicker PP implements a harder way into the country the better.......we can’t look after ourselves never mind more wrong uns claiming asylum!
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In reply to Post #2444
Nasty woman. Unashamedly playing to the xenophobic fears of the tory masses
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In reply to Post #2448
Boris and co are the voice of their corporate puppet masters , something that everyone should wake up too !
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In reply to Post #2446
Surely knowing whether you have had the jab or not should be all you need, not a condition of employment? I mean every interview I've ever had haven't asked if I've been vaccinated against x, y, or z
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In reply to Post #2446
Keep digging......
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In reply to Post #2443
Can't see anything wrong with it as a condition of employment, rather than forcing existing staff have it, which would be wrong.
Just another thing on the list if you want someone with half a brain on the staff,
relevant qualifications - tick
bit of experience - tick
covid vaccinated - tick
knows the difference between 'there' and 'they're' - tick
Easy.
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In reply to Post #2444
Shame they wasn’t implemented all them years ago then!
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In reply to Post #2443
Under her own laws , her parents would of been thrown out , She is the worst form of political slime ever manufactured , A wrong un !
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companies look to make vaccines mandatory
I hope ANY company that tries this is swamped in court cases for discrimination!
In other news I see PP is drawing up plans for illegal migrants to be removed from the country straight Away........
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In reply to Post #2441
They have surpassed my worst expectations since Boris took control , i would love to hear what hyperbole BB now has to say about these bent bas****s , we are in a dangerous place now , the perfect environment is being created for them and their bent mates to thrive !
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Significant reduction in uk vaccines from March 29 th ,,,, hmmmm , maybe the day that the EU roll out a significant amounts of az vaccine .
Looks like the uk will get hardly any vaccines in April , i wonder what the deal was !
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The report into sexual abuse in football has come to a damning conclusion so , long overdue ,,,
Time to finish the enquiry into paedophilia @ Westminster ! 4th time lucky eh !
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In reply to Post #2436
Yep Israel have built up many contact's in high level positions for political leverage around the world , for various reasons , their success at procuring covid vaccines is the proof
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In reply to Post #2433
Try putting others first , team game lad , i have only had 1 day off work !
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In reply to Post #2435
It's who you know and the size of your wallet as always.
Yes from the top right down to your local councillors.
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In reply to Post #2433
60% of Israel's population vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, by far the world leader.
Reports are they've paid $30-$47 per dose and allowed Pfizer access to the populations health data...
Prime Minister Netanyahu said of Pfizer CEO "Albert Bourla is a great friend of Israel"
It's who you know and the size of your wallet as always.
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Good news !
Although i feel sh** today , all my fishing bits have arrived this morning , well all except my braid , and i think i have finally found a hook that i can confidently say "will not be opened out or snapped " i have lost so many nice fish over the years in hit n hold situations on rivers , when you wait sooo long for a take , it's gut wrenching !
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And people should rush out for a vaccine......
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In reply to Post #2431
Just in the phone box putting my cape on , had to wait for Boris though !
The person i know who is running the vaccine centre has said that there are no vaccinations this week until Saturday and they have not been told why , a lot of people are having side effects though , the 5 people i personally know who have had the az vaccine have had mild to moderate side effects , i'm off work today i feel tired , then i feel like i dont have the energy to walk upstairs , headache and sweats this morning , had tingling and a lack of feeling in my left cheek lip and gum since the vaccine , the lack of energy has built over the last 2 weeks , i had the vaccine around 3 weeks ago this seems to be quite common , more so in the younger bracket that are having the vaccine now , the 4 people that i personally know who have had the phyzer jab seem ok . the earliest to have the phyzer jab was my Dad who had it on the 15th Dec , with the follow up 3 weeks later !
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In reply to Post #2429
Delay AZ so Pfizer in Germany can make it at a profit? Where's Spanker when you need him
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In reply to Post #2428
I assumed you found that bit interesting.
No I was more interested in why this is likely to be political and for that reason your link is better and I will use elsewhere.
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In reply to Post #2428
Reported this morning AZ 27 blood clots Pfizer 25 no shutdown on Pfizer. 
Macron suffering in polls tries to push vaccination farce onto AZ, Merkle just lost 2 seats in local election so lets shift the blame.
New Pfizer plant extension on line by end of month in...................Germany
Why buy a non profit vaccine from AZ when you can buy a profit making one Pfizer
Its not just politicians on the make in this country, its not because of Brexit its politics and **** peoples lives.
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In reply to Post #2426
You linked to an article, the headline of which was something about the EU sulking over Brexit ...
I assumed you found that bit interesting.
Lots in Italy pushing for the Russian vaccine, which may well arrive. So much for lack of sovereignty under the jackboot of EU rule, eh? Every EU state is free to **** things up as it sees fit.
Edit: Magrini isn't even the Italian health minister. He's the head of the medicines regulator. Did you get that website off Wayne?
Same story ... without the brexit BS
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-astrazeneca-idUSKBN2B80KK
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In reply to Post #2426
Never said they did
That's "political decisions" for you
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In reply to Post #2424
I didn't focus on the Raab bit. I was more shocked when I read this and thought of you in Italy as it enters lockdown. Surely that's no laughing matter?
Italian Health Minister Nicola Magrini says decision to reject UK's AstraZeneca jab is "political"
In reply to Post #2425
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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In reply to Post #2422
Probably is a political decision, if you've not got enough product through poor procurement, suspension deflects the real reason. Seem to remember we wouldn't make face masks compulsory because we didn't have the equipment. That was a political decision you could say cost lives.
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In reply to Post #2422
Raab trying to say it's because of the UK's success post -brexit?
Yeah, right you are mate.
Not many in the EU view the AZ vaccine as having any connection with the UK at all. It's never been referred to as the 'British vaccine'.
It's ill informed, it's dangerous, but it's got **** all to do with Brexit - EU member states are still shaking their heads and laughing about that.
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In reply to Post #2422
There is definitely something fishy going on , but it seems beyond belief , what is the real reason , that we the UK are doing so well with the vaccine and leaving them behind they then feel the need to condemn the vaccine as unsafe , when its as safe as the phyzer vaccine ? maybe even condemning their countries to further lockdowns , could they be this petty !
Or do they know something we don't , i have zero trust in our lot !
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Just a thought. If law and order is so important, then those who enforce that law and order must apply the very same. They cannot exercise their functions outside those laws. They cannot operate outside of common law.
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No idea, you'd have to ask the judge if that day ever happened
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In reply to Post #2416
Same as Jon, fight fire with fire for me
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In reply to Post #2415
I thought there was something strange
Didn’t bite either, ah well, least I tried
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In reply to Post #2415
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I don't remember similar levels of outrage when the 'football lads' were out 'statue guarding' with their defensive swastika tattoos and their protective monkey chants.
I think I even remember someone suggesting the poor lad pissing on the memorial to a dead copper probably didn't know what it was.
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In reply to Post #2414
He had help from a Year 10
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In reply to Post #2412
Surprisingly I agree with quite a bit of that Mal, well written too
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In reply to Post #2411
It is very sad what has happened and this has now moved away from the initial vigil and is now a beast for the usual suspects to attack society, the government and Police on.
Exactly that for me too
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Responding to a few at once.
Never once suggested that rioting was justified. It isn't. My understanding is that breaking of covid rules carries a fine. Not water cannons or being set fire to / punched in the teeth.... I've always said that those who break the rules should be prosecuted. No change there. The police are entrusted to preserve order - not to escalate violence.
I'd argue that 'bringing back police brutality' is talking bollox, but each to their own. Some people might argue that it never really went away.
I outlined a number of factors that made it simple enough (to anyone with a bit of sense) to see that given the circumstances and the involvement of the Met police, it was not surprising that the event turned sour. They (and the original organisers - who subsequently called for the event to be called off) were asked by the high court to try and find a solution to a covid safe vigil and didn't. Then they were tasked under ridiculous conditions to police it. Red rag to a bull.
And perfect for the wider agenda of curtailing protest rights. As said, thrown under the bus by Boris/ Patel.
Never once suggested that because 1 met officer is charged with murder that they all are. But again, if you can't see that as being important in the lead up to what happened then .....
As for the sentencing for rape and for vandalising statues, yes one is a minimum and one a maximum. Out of interest, which statue is worth double even the most minor (in the legal systems hierarchy) sexual assault? Just wondering.
Jon - absolutely agree. Some of the stuff on here has been embarrassing.
Edit - fishie, also agree. It's clearly been the case at too many rally's / protests for a long time. Used to be the same at football with the rent a mobs using it as a vehicle to facilitate their stupid violent tendencies. Now it's organised demonstrations.
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In reply to Post #2410
It is very sad what has happened and this has now moved away from the initial vigil and is now a beast for the usual suspects to attack society, the government and Police on.
i have attended numerous marches before lockdown and it is easy to spot the usual suspects but why would someone attend a peaceful vigil with spray paint and a weapon to smash glass.
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Very sad what has happened and these behaviours just tarnish it
I guess the lockdown is causing a lot of frustration and unrest for people but thats where an element of self control and discipline is required. People just think they can take to the streets have a riot and inflict pain on other people, like I said, disgraceful behaviour for me. How's about smack each one in the teeth and see if they like it!
Like I also said, they should have rounded them all up, took their pictures and sent them to their employers then they can see what kind of characters they have working for them, that’s after a £5000 fine, muppets
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In reply to Post #2408
neither can I
Brief prece shouting in police officers faces from 2 foot away during pandemic, spraying ACAB on police carriers, smashing wing mirror of said carrier and large crowd being lead by agitators from the bandstand shouting over floral tributes "no justice no peace **** the police!"
Funny i haven't seen any of that footage on mainstream news outlets.
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In reply to Post #2406
26 police officers injured but a mainly peaceful vigil
Can’t get the link to work but my point entirely. Nobody should have to stand there and take the punishment from some moron without being able to give it back, so wrong
I’m all for body cameras and fairness but they should be able to deal with ****s like ****s for me, simple.
What the **** is this country coming to, full of ****ing snowflakes!
On about putting undercover cops in pubs to keep an eye on females now, WTF
I hope I don’t grab one of their arses by mistake
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One for the face bookers hopefully works
https://www.facebook.com/basia.wojciechowska/posts/10218311710843929
Quiet, respectful vigil for a murdered girl
26 police officers injured but a mainly peaceful vigil
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Breaks my ladies heart every time she sees a picture of that poor mite.
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In reply to Post #2402
Love women, always will. Can't be doing with people whoever they are, taking advantage of situations such as this for their own ends and using it for a fight or to peddle their extreme views.
That c*** should hang for what he did! Everyone else that rapes/murders women and children should suffer a similar fate. But no, we can't allow that because of their human rights. That's what is embarrassing!!
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In reply to Post #2401
I'd not heard of Emily Jones before, just read about it, that's awful 
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I've heard loads of women going on about getting grief from blokes who hate women .. and I thought 'Eh?'
Reading some posts on here I think 'Oh, yeah, see what you mean'
100s of jackbooted feminists? Rioting in the streets? Water canons?
Get a grip lads, it's embarrassing.
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FFS. You've been whinging you t*ts off for 12 months about people breaking Covid rules, yet you now think it's acceptable for 100's of jack booted feminists to start stirring the pot. You break the law you get arrested. Why should they be treated unequally? To suggest otherwise would be sexist!
Kill the Bill, ACAB, BLM, Defund the police, all chanted by those idiots today. Complete d*cks using any excuse for a skirmish.
Where was the vigil for Emily Jones? Child sexual exploitation scandal Rotherham, Oxford, Telford etc?
Nowhere because it doesn't suit the left leaning narrative!
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In reply to Post #2394
Fred West was a builder, doesn't mean all builders are mass murderers
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The warning signs of facism
Powerful and continuing nationalism- look at the amount of flags behind ministers in interviews at home
Disdain for human rights- Priti Patel
Identification of enemies as a unifying cause- See the EU
Supremacy of the military- - bills being brought in to exempt armed forces from war crimes
Rampant sexism
Controlled mass media- BBC castrated. Compliant, right wing papers/media who live abroad
Obsession with national security- 40% increase in nuclear spending. Police being given unfettered powers in new bills
Religion and government intertwined
Corporate power protected- Huge companies not being taxed properly
Labour power suppressed- See public sector, nurses, teachers. Anti-union legislation
Disdain for intellectuals & the arts- Free speech debate. Erasmus project.
Obsession with crime & punishment- Priti Patel (again)
Rampant cronyism & corruption- PPE scandal, Test and Trace, Russian Oligarch appointed to House of Lords
Fraudulent elections. Tory plans to alter electoral boundaries.
Welcome to GB 2021
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In reply to Post #2386
You don't half talk some bollox at times don't you
As for the Met police. A woman murdered by one of them.
So because a serving police officer committed murder its OK for people to riot about it on the streets. Pity it wasn't a school teacher, they should blow 100 a day away with a water canon or set them on fire, probably the other way round if they had any sympathy for them
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I'd like to see the justification for increasing our nuclear warheads by close on 50%, whilst we'd struggle to put an effective war fighting division in the field
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https://youtu.be/s-RuLLPb-1E
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In reply to Post #2393
This is satire........ right?
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In reply to Post #2393
What about men's rights and feelings? I've never ever hurt a woman in my life and yet I'm being labelled as being part of the problem.
A young women on TV was questioned about tarring all men with the same brush. Her reply was she didn't have to time to differentiate. Not the attitude I warm to.
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Those bloody women protestors need sandbagging
Should be thankful they were allowed away from the domestic appliances long enough for the return journey
Nobody has ever been assaulted by the police while ironing
Priti for pm
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Got to admit , starting to get on my ti** a bit now , the mild tingling and slight numbness on the left side of my face ,mouth and lip since the the vaccine , 2 weeks ago now !
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1 in a 100 rape claims [when they do come forward , so , could be double that figure ] end in conviction , not much of a deterrent for your average rapist , same with burglaries and the majority of crime nowadays , your lucky and in the minority if you even see a copper !
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In reply to Post #2389
Fair point and I'm sure the laws against women will be reviewed and strengthened.
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In reply to Post #2387
But that's not quite true though, maximum sentencing can be up to life, and starting sentences of around 5 years. The maximum sentencing for damaging statues is 10 years, probably with a starting point of around a suspended sentence
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In reply to Post #2387
None taken
Boomshanka
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In reply to Post #2386
You make a good point about 10/5 years for statues/rape but the rest is all a bit put together in my opinion.
Sorry Mal no offence intended. Peace and love man
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In reply to Post #2369
It's not hard to see the real issue if you can get past the usual pseudo macho bull****. Water cannons? Set fire to a woman in her coat! Ffs - put your ****ing Andy McNab colouring books away for a minute and grow up.
If there's any doubt about the root of the issues, try this for size.
The new crime laws include a sentence of up to 10 years for vandalising memorial statues. There are rapists who serve only 5 years in jail. So this government cares more about a ****ing statue of winston Churchill than it does about the safety of your wives and daughters.
As for the Met police. A woman murdered by one of them. Another one today 'removed from people facing duties' for sharing a ****ing joke about it on social media. .... they were approached by the original organisers of the vigil with a covid safe plan but refused to compromise. Little wonder the thing went south so quickly is it? Patel has said she wants an independent report. Just like the numerous ones regarding the institutional racism - with no effective follow up.
And Boris... he threw them under the bus as per usual. Sent them out to enforce his cabinets lockdown laws while he sits at home with his candle outside. Pathetic.
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In reply to Post #2383
It certainly needed some rebalancing but she took it too far.
As for opening stuff up for competition how does that work with the trains and water. I have no choice of companies when I get on the local train, bus or who supplies my water
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In reply to Post #2383
For balance , look at what the Banking crisis brought us , how many years of austerity ??? where were the sweeping changes that were and still are required to keep them in check , don't swallow everything that you are told when their is an obvious agenda for those that recite it
Edited , from the 1970's strikes ,
As former Fleet Street editor Derek Jameson later recalled of press coverage of the "crisis", "we pulled every dirty trick in the book; we made it look like it was general, universal and eternal, when it was in reality scattered, here and there, and no great problem".
Dr Bryn Jones
University of Bath
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In reply to Post #2379
In regards to Maggie was she the worst or just the woman to sort out the mismanagement of the seventies with unions blackmailing everyone, weak pandering Governments and the British worker wanting top pay for 2nd rate work. British Leyland?
I entered the workforce during the winter of discontent 1978/9. I remember the 3 day week my father had to work, 4 hours on 4 hours off power cuts. My first job was pushing Cory frames full of rubbish from Clapham Junction to Clapham Common and throwing bags onto 6ft high rubbish mountains and watching them be attacked by rats. That was under a Labour government on the side of the workers and unions! Things have improved in this country but watching the news now I sometimes wonder ! 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #2378
Here in Bolton we had a firm that produces the material for ppe gowns , they could not understand why Boris was ignoring them when they said they could make a large percentage of the gowns required for our nhs and eventually signed a contract to supply the USA !
possibly no money in it for their bent mates ???
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In reply to Post #2378
Time will tell the true story !
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In reply to Post #2377
Yep ,Sad but true the tory party knew that it would serve their self interests to eliminate our manufacturing base and along with it our unions , fu** the collateral damage
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In reply to Post #2378
If they don't want it give to someone like Brazil or a number of other countries.
Other subject. Maggie was the worst of the lot
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Sorry back to vaccines
Just watched BBC news where they stated 27 cases of AZ have had blood clots in Europe 👍🏻 But Pfizer have had 25, they are not suspending Pfizer though 🙀 so just using UK figures 23,000,000 jabs 52 cases, or if your in Europe 27 cases and no mention of Pfizer. Again blood clots not outside the normal parameters. So you’ve ****ed up your order, slagged the vaccine off out of spite, your population is turning against you, what do you do? Suspend the vaccine for 48 hours in Macrons case 😷😷😷 to make AZ the bad boy👍🏻
Returning to the current discussion
This country destroyed industry years ago, both Labour and Conservative, let’s play the money markets and build service industries instead. What happened at first lockdown no industries to repurpose and go cap in hand begging throughout the world for PPE and the likes. Leaving us open to being ripped off by our own government, our own supposed captains of industries and other countries supplying sub standard equipment and supplies at sky high prices
FFS I might vote green next time as they couldn’t possibly **** this country up worse than Labour and Conservatives
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In reply to Post #2376
Framed a political decision on UK manufacturing and industry as "taking on the unions" it was a trojan horse in reality that the Alf Garnett's lapped up. A nation of bankers and shop keepers was the goal (sure there's a song in there)
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1 in 4 manufacturing jobs were lost in Thatchers first term as she chased a boom and boost economy based on a housing market and the city via privatisation , then again Blair wasn't much better as he thought that anything that was to be manufactured could be done so elsewhere cheaper , Bolton had a lot of the countries heavy engineering , all gone now !
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In reply to Post #2373
So true
Pathetic decisions by pathetic people sadly, you make a change and further down the line you get the results, what a mess!
Manufacturing in this country is a dying breed sadly and these governments have just stood by, clueless. When we are a nation of imports and sales and there is not much left we know who to thank, the ****ing stupid politicians
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In reply to Post #2368
From the angle i'm looking from he's compliant
spanker the anarchist
In reply to Post #2373 I agree with that
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In reply to Post #2372
It's like its a British disease fear of long term investment in critical industries. Seem far more comfortable flogging critical industries off to asset strippers.
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In reply to Post #2371
I have worked in the steel industry and I will tell you now it is complete and utter Mickey Mouse
Ex British steel, one of the pinnacles of British engineering, what a ****ing shambles, mis-management of the highest level, criminal in fact. Horizontal buyouts that have not payed off have left them in billions of debt, all they have done is raped it for its technology and took it all abroad, total embarrassment
What’s the government going to do, keep it ticking over with tax payers money to keep the employment figures down and try and save face
Should have backed it from the start and kept all the foreign Investors , thieves out
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So 12 UK steel plants with thousands of employees is at risk after another grubby London based financial services outfit goes bust, Greensill. Suggestion is some of the hundred's of millions of pounds debts are UK government backed.
How embarrassing having David Cameron as an advisor with a share stake.
Pants down
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In reply to Post #2369
So , i can see where they are coming from and from what i have seen and read today and yesterday the majority see it from my perspective .
I always knew you were a woman G
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It's hard for men to see this from a womens perspective , but the facts of the matter are , a copper killed and chopped up a woman , also only 1 in a 100 rape claims end in a conviction the lowest ever !
So , i can see where they are coming from and from what i have seen and read today and yesterday the majority see it from my perspective .
The daily express , Mail and Sun etc warp the perspectives of their readers , the time for a change is coming , try n get your head round it , you will be better off !
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In reply to Post #2367
From the angle i'm looking from he's compliant .
The other night, mainly people of an age where they haven't had a vaccine, a dangerous time where covid is wanting to mutate into other variants and no social distancing. Police are damned if they do uphold the current laws and damned if they don't.
Shut up !
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In reply to Post #2366
I would've said that was very defiant
The other night, mainly people of an age where they haven't had a vaccine, a dangerous time where covid is wanting to mutate into other variants and no social distancing. Police are damned if they do uphold the current laws and damned if they don't.
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In reply to Post #2365
Not very defiant there defiant one , and when they bring out laws to protect themselves from critical voices like they are trying to do TODAY ,
You could be arrested for holding up traffic or being too noisy , on a protest .
This lot are not fit to wield power !
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The whole lot of them should have been arrested and fined; in a so called civilised society you can’t just pick and choose when to follow the law.
No one is above the law, and it's about time it started to be applied.
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In reply to Post #2363
Ha! Your fake account has been unveiled!
Welcome to the forum Priti
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Get the water canons out and wash the filth off the streets that goes for anyone no matter what sex, colour or religion. You break the the law you get punished. Don't like it? Tuff, do as your f****** told!!!
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In reply to Post #2361
Selfish ****s the lot of them!
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On an alternate note. What’s people thoughts on all these woman rioting in London then, and a few blokes too!. And Boris says it could have been handled better, what a ****ing muppet. Lockdown, shouldn’t have been there in the first place, should have rounded them up, fined everyone of them and informed their employers, disgraceful
Bring back police brutality for ****s like that, her with the fur coat on kicking off, should have sprayed the **** with Parva, or set her coat on fire...while she was still in it
Deal with ****s like ****s for me. We are on a serious downhill slope here. You can’t react until you have been seriously assaulted by a ****
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In reply to Post #2359
Your word is worth nothing , your full of sh**
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In reply to Post #2357
Shut up Mal you joker......
I don’t put my whole life on here spanky, you not learn the last time.....but I will tell you I have down ****loads of tests........
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In reply to Post #2356
Had covid twice , ah doctor Wayne , can't ever remember you saying that you were self isolating !
Also , i can't ever remember you saying you were having a test ,
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In reply to Post #2356
Not with so many people having that attitude it isn't
Selfish. End of.
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I’m 46 and have Had covid twice I think.......why do I need a vaccine? Don’t give me any of that new strains, selfish crap, passing it on rubbish!......nearly 25 million of the 98% percent average death age groups have been vaccinated. Forget the selfish ****ers over 60 who won’t have the vaccine and don’t forget the kids under 10 who have probably all had it, country is good to go......
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In reply to Post #2354
Could be right, influenced by a preacher of truth with a hook for a hand and one eye type maybe.
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In reply to Post #2352
I think Wayne has put too much belief in his dodgy sites that form his very strange opinions !
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What are you actually scared of
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In reply to Post #2346
As I read it they are all citing the 4 cases of blood clots which 1 was fatal. Having read some articles on this at least 2 have stated that this not out of normal parameters for the general population without AZ jab! (BBC and Sky news)
Mainly suspension of jabs by EU countries, slow roll out and lack of stock, one for the conspiracy thread if Bill Gates hasn’t stolen that one as well😀😀😀
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In reply to Post #2343
Said it before mate, she's dangerous that one. Wouldn't be surprised to see her succeed Boris and then in a big reveal in parliament (once we are totally under her totalitarian rule of course) she peels off her outer skin to reveal some ****ing nazi / lizard person hybrid...
And the hypocrisy of Boris with his candle on the doorstep whilst the police carry out their jackboot tactics on a group of women in line with his Home Secretary's agenda....
Just another example to add to the list.
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In reply to Post #2348
No I wasn’t for the reason I have stated and I don’t have to justify my rights About freedom of choice......
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But you were never going to have one, were you?
Let's not pretend this is some sort of motive for your half-wittedness, you're just looking for an excuse to do what you like.
Crack on ... Do what you want, but don't jump on stuff to make you feel justified.
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In reply to Post #2346
Who knows but it’s the reason I won’t be having one! Few more years testing needed for me personally.
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In reply to Post #2345
We've administered the most AZ. Why no reports here, time for a conspiracy theory?
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In reply to Post #2344
The people who had blood clots /
Norway said this happened in people under 50. In three cases, these had involved clotting in the brain. In one of them, it was fatal.
The Norwegian Medicines Agency said the four people under 50 who had the AstraZeneca jab all had a reduced number of blood platelets. It added: “People under the age of 50 who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine and feel increasingly unwell more than three days after vaccination, and who notice larger or smaller blue spots in the skin (skin haemorrhages) must consult a doctor or out-of-hours medical service as soon as possible.
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Ireland now suspended the roll out of the Oxford vaccine the latest in a growing list.
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The slippery slope continues
Paving the way to create an environment to be able to get away with anything . Priti fu**ing awful Patel's new anti demonstration laws , the icing on the cake after the "spy cops " bill ,where 10 years in prison for causing “serious annoyance” by protesting would now be possible and could be voted through parliament this Tuesday
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In reply to Post #2341
Have a bath lad , should sort you out !
Is that based on past experience
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In reply to Post #2339
Have a bath lad , should sort you out !
Looks like Priti Patels enforcers have made themselves unpopular on Clapham common tonight !
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In reply to Post #2339
There's no way they could've taken money for that. As Scozza says there's plenty of that in the pipeline.
As for the missing Corona thread I suppose Boris had something to do with that
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In reply to Post #2337
I smell a rat not coffee, the financial rewards will come, certain
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Bumped back up , it might get disappeared like the coronavirus thread ?????????????
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In reply to Post #2336
I reckon she could of got at least £10 million for that interview and she asked for £ 0 !
Smell the coffee !
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In reply to Post #2331
Interesting Ken,
See where we are when she has got what she wants out of it all ££££££££££££££££££
As I see it, nothing but a publicity stunt, pathetic ****. Let’s see what happens in a year or two, we can always bump this back up
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In reply to Post #2331
Fromage still pushing for the peerage he thinks he deserves Mr Anti Establishment. Tony Benn he certainly isn't.
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In reply to Post #2333
One of the rare occasions I agree with you. Just wish they'd given the individuals of the royal family they were not happy with a right good bollockin and gone. No need to get the circus involved IMO.
@Ken
Two sides to every story, as I say there was no need to involve the circus.
A good time to bury bad news though?
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Can't understand why everyone is so bothered , really , Harry want's to take his wife somewhere as he thinks it's a better environment for his family , whoopy doo , fu** me , really who gives a fu** , move on !
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In reply to Post #2330
They certainly are
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The usual suspects
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In reply to Post #2327
Brilliant
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In reply to Post #2327
I've not detected any blind loyalty in anyone's posts
Edit
But to be fair I mostly speed read this thread.
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In reply to Post #2322
Needs thinning out from the taxpayer payroll the Royal Family. It's a constitutional monarchy not a fookin gravy train for a load of hangers on and irrelevants.
I've not seen Harry say he wants peace and quiet and that's why he's left THE FIRM. I've seen him say what most husband's and father's would, I'm removing my family from the toxic situation. Then cracking on to make the best life for my family.
Blind loyalty from the usual suspects for the establishment as always though
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In reply to Post #2322
Talking of Australia and Sky LINK
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In reply to Post #2324
My network don't charge , or they said they were not going too , however i will check before i go ,
Just hoping it's a blip , but the number of uk covid cases went up last week from the previous week and i expect them to do so again next week with schools adding to the numbers !
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In reply to Post #2323
I was hoping you wasn't prepared to pay the roaming charges
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You , more than most need guidance , that is more than apparent after our exchanges over the last year and i know you don't like admitting it .
And just for you , i will make sure that i have the capability to update you regularly
Don't worry , i won't desert you !
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In reply to Post #2316
By snowflakes do you mean racist, politically incorrect right wingers? Not a term I would use.
Looks like Italy is likely to go into another lockdown, no wonder they wasn't keen sending vaccines to Australia.
I hope this Meghan/Harry thing quietens down soon. They've had their say so now they can **** off and get some peace quiet that they claim to want, maybe enjoy some trees, birds, insects, grass and the sky but maybe be best to keep away from France
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In reply to Post #2317
Could be a nice break for us as well, make sure you have no internet access
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In reply to Post #2319
She will soon be nothing but old chip wrappers Mal, same as the rest of the news
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In reply to Post #2317
You forgot 'the actress formerly known as princess' ...
Or is she your own personal rant?
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In reply to Post #2317
Sky ,,, oooh that Murdoch tw** boils my pi55 , get to fu** !!"!""
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In reply to Post #2316
Enjoy the fishing, try not to shout at the trees, birds, insects, grass and the sky
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In reply to Post #2313
could upset the delicate snowflakes about though
Just bought supplies for my forthcoming assault on my local French rivers , can't wait !
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In reply to Post #2314
Exactly
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In reply to Post #2311
I just shared a joke that by now most of us have seen but you're right Magoo scared him away and he's ended up here, big mistake the egos on the footy thread are far more interesting than the ones on here
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In reply to Post #2312
Great video Spanker
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How did you get to feel so bitter and angry towards Meghan and Harry , this might explain it , and he's funny
link.
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In reply to Post #2309
You started it
Reading the footy thread it looks like Mangoo has seen him off
Spammers been the best London club of course out of your lots
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In reply to Post #2306
Yes Jon , just reciting countries stances on the vaccine , the reasons behind their stances are something that i have not looked into yet , but i'm sure behind the scenes they are begging for more of the AstraZeneca vaccine , i'm not completely sold on it though ,but the positives outweigh the negatives , or so i hope !
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In reply to Post #2307
There's a footy thread for you to talk ****.
This thread is for Spanker
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In reply to Post #2307
Same haircut at one time too I will bet
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In reply to Post #2300
Played like a girl aswell 🤣
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In reply to Post #2304
After how many doses administered? Not many I imagine.
I'm surprised at countries casting doubt on the AZ jab when so many have been done in the UK without problems.
Given the fact that 20-odd million in the UK have had it, a good few of them are bound to have won the lottery or a decent bit of cash on a scratch card. Someone should do a video of how the Covid vaccine makes you lucky .. the same daft sods who believe the antivax stuff will probably believe that too.
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In reply to Post #2304
If I'm honest I am on the verge of cancelling my appointment
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Countries that have suspended using the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine / Norway, Iceland, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Estonia, Lithuania, Denmark , Latvia and Thailand
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In reply to Post #2302
It was only a generalisation. In your case it's because you are an old and ageing lentil eating hippy
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In reply to Post #2299
Nice to be called a 'younger person'
Thanks tinhead
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In reply to Post #2298
That will probably happen, and in a few years they'll end back on talking terms, which families should do. It's a shame it had come to this, maybe they naively thought by doing it, people (the British media) might cut them a bit of slack.
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In reply to Post #2299
Same glasses
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In reply to Post #2298
If they truly wanted the peace and quite they would have just gone away and got on with it
Agreed now they've got the opposite to peace and quiet.
I heard the divide is more likely to be due to your age rather than what Piers Morgan says.
Older people will tend to side with the Royal Family
Younger will tend to side with Harry and Meghan
I think there's some truth in that
PS
I'm being sent lots of jokes on this topic. Here's one that is allowed on here
If you don't know your football that's Ian Wright.
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In reply to Post #2297
Agree with a lot of that. Regarding PM I am sure he has is followers?
It’s simple for me. If they truly wanted the peace and quite they would have just gone away and got on with it. She had absolutely no need to tell the world. Bit, I mean lot of a hypocrite compared to their original reasons for going alone and out of the limelight!
What they need to do is just say, job done, now jog on,, and don’t coming knocking on the palace door
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In reply to Post #2292
Like you, I wouldn't be doing a tv interview either, but they've chosen to, as every other part of their lives seem to be in the news anyway, and getting a fair share of pelters for it.
Now theyve explained their view of what happened, and people seem to be up in arms about it, calling it bull$hit, and lies, but, those same people haven't got any other evidence to suggest otherwise, just like Piers Morgan, of course he is allowed his opinion, but it's an opinion based on literally hot air, and he is using his position to force that opinion to millions of people, and by looking at social media a fair share that are more than easily led.
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In reply to Post #2295
Thought you were talking about PM
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In reply to Post #2294
Not him, the new news channel that Andrew Neil is setting up .. anti-woke, right-wing, gammon-tastic.
He'll be the one who shouts at government ministers to give it a bit of 'balance'.
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In reply to Post #2293
Why is he right wing, because he speaks his mind, freedom of speech, or are you making an association?
We cant exactly see an abundance of facts, I'm sure like mentioned, its a 50/50 thing. The fact is, they spent so much giving it the big, we want peace and quite, we don't like the limelight and fame and then she does this, pretty pathetic for me, low life, I'm sure eventually she will make a few hundred million dollars out of it somewhere along the line and then **** ginger bollox off
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In reply to Post #2292
Who REALLY gives a ****, the only thing that annoys me is every time the news comes on there's a sympathy seeker and a few million snowflake followers banging a drum
He'll be ok. He'll have another job on some new right wing news channel soon enough.
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In reply to Post #2289
No different to a normal family life, you don't do your dirty washing in public, not if you have something about you for me
Who REALLY gives a ****, the only thing that annoys me is every time the news comes on there's a sympathy seeker and a few million snowflake followers banging a drum
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Room 9401a , Guobin Hotel ,Fuwai st ,Xicheng district , is the address for a company in China that was awarded a contract worth £90 million by Boris and his cronies !
Bent as fu**
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A tax payer funded documentary called " a beacon of hope " is about to be released by our glorious leader , Kim Jun Johnson
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In reply to Post #2288
I suppose the difference being is that you can replace such people, the Royal family are just there forever.
what ever you think about the interview, there will most definitely be some truth in some of it, even if you said 50% truth and 50% lies, it still equates to a poor image of the Royal family
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In reply to Post #2286
Why not. As you know, I am proud to be British and it’s one of the things that makes us unique
I mean, we could have a stupid ****ing president or a **** wit Prime minister as the pinnacle of our country, I mean cmon, imagine that, Boris the great
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In reply to Post #2286
I'm not a Royalist superfan but I'm wouldn't be at all surprised if they make a profit.
I just think that the Royals are something a bit different and set us apart from the rest, as I say I'm not an avid Royalist but rather have them than not, even Johnny rotten agrees with that.
As for Meghan someone should've REALLY told her what she was getting involved with. If she realised she made a mistake she and Harry should've quietly retired from royal life rather than behave in the way that they have.
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In reply to Post #2281
Apparently the monarchy actually makes us a profit 🤷🏻♂️
Surprised the old German bat and Prince coffin dodger are your cup of tea mate. Especially as they’re distant cousins twice over
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In reply to Post #2284
Lets just say ,the slippery slopes incline that we are sliding down , is far steeper than it was two years ago !
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In reply to Post #2283
It’s Been on a slippery slope way before your and my time.......
Just so much more money involved nowadays........
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In reply to Post #2282
The only thing that the cry baby offered and it was necessary , was he would give these bent ba***ards the hammering that they needed to get to the truth with regard to the £billions that have been gifted to their buddies and the constant misleading of parliament !
The amount of gaslighting the public needs to be ended , we are on a slippery slope !
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In reply to Post #2280
I only watched the very brief highlights on the news, but Piers Morgan getting the boot is probably the best thing that happened regarding the interview
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In reply to Post #2279
She is after a payout, done the dirty on the family
Like i said, pathetic, they don't want the publicity, cause she ****ing doesn't
If she didn't they would have just gone away and got on with it
I bet Christmas dinner would be interesting in the palace lol
Don't have a problem with the royals myself. Still if we didn't have them we could use the money to bail some lazy **** out that does not want to work eh?
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If she is a scrounging ***** , why did she do that interview for nothing when she could of charged £millions !
I thought it was the royal family that existed at our expense ???
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In reply to Post #2278
If she's a 'scrounger', having had a proper job as an actor, which I assume pays more than minimum wage, what does that make the rest of the royals, who've never done a day's work between them?
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In reply to Post #2277
Perceived perception, I think she’s a ****, scrounger £
It’s the headline news....
Why did you bother to post, same kind of question?
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In reply to Post #2272
Why people are particularly bothered with other peoples business is beyond me 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #2273
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In reply to Post #2273
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In reply to Post #2273
And Piers Morgan turns out to be by his own definition , a triggered snowflake , poor little thing !
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In reply to Post #2272
Prince Charles has hacked this account again mods.
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In reply to Post #2269
What a **** she is eh. Does not want the limelight, has an interview with Oprah ****ing Winfrey
Sure there will be some compensation along the way ££££££££££££££££££££
Has him by the ginger bollox good and proper
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In reply to Post #2268
Quite often they are religious nutters. They don't need a jab
Maybe they do, straight in the ****ing eye
Seriously, idiots
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Seems piers Morgan can’t stand the heat no more.......
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The elephant in the room regarding Harry and Meghan and it's well overdue , Our press , they have been out of control for too long now , Leveson part II should be implemented immediately , remember that , part I , found them guilty , part II was , what are we going to do about it !
Rebecca Brooks , Camerons best friend when he was pm , Mordoch's right hand , should of done time ,
long overdue !
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In reply to Post #2267
Quite often they are religious nutters. They don't need a jab, just do more prayers and god will look after them
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In reply to Post #2259
4 weren't tested because their parents would not allow it. Idiots.
Ming mongs
Should have sent them home, simple, **** off
I bet it would be a different story if said mong had to drop the kids off so they could go to work, mind you thought, saying that, they probably don’t have a job, sound like a right bunch of thick ****ing Ming mongs
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In reply to Post #2265
She was in by 7am to get ready. Kids were told to arrive early and testing started at 8am
There was 3 staff swabbing, 3 staff testing, 5 SLT ensuring social distancing and 6 staff inputting data..
Today 110 Year11’s tested all testing negative. Soon as results were in they went straight to class. First kids were in lesson by 8.45 and the last were in at 9.15
Tomorrow 120 year 7’s to do
Wednesday 120 year 9
Thursday year8 120 and year11 second test
Friday year10 and year7 second test
Then it all repeats
Biggest problem was kids chewing gum which affects results they got a clip around the ear and sent to the back to the end of the queue. Same with those with nose piercings.
Everyone got a lollipop. Now they will have rotten teeth instead
Having said that she said the kids generally have good teeth, unlike when I was at school
Looks like you school is double the size
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In reply to Post #2263
cheeky fecker
ordinarily i'd watch the footy but....
and have you considered that whilst i'm sorting you lot out in here, it's because i'm doing the same as mrs tinhead and have the laptop out until silly o'clock...? I know very few teachers / TA's who 'finish work' when that final bell goes.
out of interest - what's the protocol for testing at your good lady's place? our gcse students came in two days last week (y11 thursday / y10 friday) and went straight home (or wherever their mates were gathering in large groups...) Same again today for y11 and tomorrow for y10. staggered start to resuming teaching from tomorrow. ks3 kids will be going out of lessons from weds - friday. it's a proper logistical operation (1500 of the little beggars).
i've been tested twice a week at school over lockdown when i've been in supervising. from this week, we have self test kits.
as for the ongoing discussions re private / public sector.... blackfield called it. look at us divided and arguing the toss over that whilst boris and co screw the nurses / care sector over... again... (not that they'll stop for the sake of the carp forum news thread, but we're a microcosm - albeit a non representational one)
I - like a few on here possibly - have experience of private sector / self employed and public sector. it's just a different set of people who will look to screw you over in each area. private - the bosses / shareholders. self employed - HMRC. public - government / Local authority.
actually - the government are screwing you over for all 3...
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In reply to Post #2263
Good luck and long may it continue for those French and any others that do.
Of course the global market especially the markets we compete in have gravity in the public sector ffs. Competition for people and :- wages/condition's are interlinked. It's clearly been marked downwards by Johnson and Co so more austerity without saying it.
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In reply to Post #2262
Maybe depends on the country, there's still French people that take a proper break to have a proper lunch.
There's no global market involved when it comes to local authorities which Blackfield was complaing about.
Mal's certainly not overworked, spends too much time on here the lazy ****
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In reply to Post #2261
The "idea" as you call it is certainly going to get more demanding for the employee. A big criticism of the EU by the rubber heads was of how protectionist it is, not for us in the UK was the mantra. Well that's a two way street while you're a member, you're competing with companies and countries with similar standards and therefore costs. Global Britain will be competing with many countries that aren't democratic and certainly don't have similar standards for companies, employees or the environment. The race to the bottom is underway.
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In reply to Post #2260
The idea of starting and stopping work at specific times and having proper breaks from the work place is something that is being eroded everywhere whether it's private or public sector.
Even my missus who is a humble teaching assistant brings her laptop home at night and does work, she says it makes the next day easier but that can't be true as she would not need to bring it home the next night
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In reply to Post #2259
Many are generally better qualified because a lot of jobs in the public sector require job specific qualifications and because it's service based, there's nearly always a demand for staff.
Newsflash! Public sector employees are exploited too. I work in children's social care and local authorities take the piss. Loads of social workers regularly work 47 to 50 hour weeks just to standstill. Nowhere does it say in the contract you work for free...
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In reply to Post #2258
Also as a generalisation private sector workers tend to lose their jobs far more often than public sector.
Q How much do Tesco's pay for shelf stacking on Christmas Day
A Time and a quarter
Q Who would bother
A Those who are temps but hoping to impress so they get made permanent on a contract of 15 hours/week.
Change of topic
My missus tested 110 school kids for covid today and all were negative.
4 weren't tested because their parents would not allow it. Idiots.
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In reply to Post #2256
Plenty of people in the private sector are poorly paid as well mate. When 6 out if 10 families fall into the bracket of living in poverty whilst in work something is seriously wrong. Somewhere in the region of 6 million working people are in receipt of benefits The concept and social contract of working hard to get you and yours out of poverty is being crushed by a number of factors. Only Government can alter this downward spiral and as this lot are a major contributor to the problem, it doesn't look good.
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In reply to Post #2256
absolutely agree
the divide and conquer tactics are a constant theme. public / private sector... north / south... old / young.... employed / unemployed.... white / not.... (i could go on...)
easy to maintain power over a divided populous. If the public were all to speak as one then they (government) would be in trouble wouldn't they...?
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In reply to Post #2255
Just for a little bit of balance.... and I anticipate this may go south, but the government is very adept at the divide and conquer routine and have already started the public/private lsector face off.
Public sector workers, in the main have carried on working through the pandemic, many at home. They haven't been furloughed, continue to pay tax, carried on supporting the economy as much as restrictions allow. But any pay rise is now deemed unaffordable.
It's the private sector and private companies who have been the beneficiaries of the furlough scheme. Public sector workers, including nurses, have experienced a real life drop in wages due to austerity. Private sector wages recovered to a much greater level prior to the pandemic.
It's also worth pointing out that MANY Public sector jobs are not very well paid. And l include nurses in that cohort.
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In reply to Post #2249
As far as I'm aware troops do get paid more in times of official conflict if in theatre Noj.
This Tory government is always bleating on about making tough decisions, so make one and give these people a rise they deserve.
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In reply to Post #2253
Nurses shouldn't drive to work they should walk or cycle.
That's not my opinion by the way but the opinion of local councils who put planters in roads, gridlock them and say the answer is to walk or cycle.
Back on topic nurses should get more than 1%. I think they'll be a U turn on this
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i get your point re the services.
and I agree that solutions need to be put forward...
stop shovelling millions into Hs2 is a start.
it's not fair to say that nurses shouldn't get a better pay rise because other businesses have suffered - as actually has been said by MP's. And it's not fair to draw the comparison with food poverty - that existed prior to covid because of years of terrible government policy - admittedly not on the same scale.
It's not the nurses fault. they've been going to work - way beyond the normal (which was already a tough shift for the pay) - throughout. and the aftermath will involve more of the extra work as they try t catch up and deal with the long term effects. the billions that have been thrown at private business would cover a decent pay rise for nurses for decades if you want to draw that comparison - they're not asking for 80% are they?
it is emotive and brings out strong opinions. and I'm by no means dismissing the struggles that so many have had / will face due to this. I just think that of all the options, this one stinks.
edit - and not charging nurses for parking at work would be a good start too. I'm sure your mate doesn't have to pay to put petrol in his armoured car... (sarcasm smiley needed)
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In reply to Post #2251
Point scoring?
Starmer couldn't score a point in a tennis match with David Blunkett.
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I agree they deserve more, I said as much. But without higher taxes for everyone or cuts in other services it isn’t possible in the traditional sense. Plus it’s got to be a bitter pill for those left destitute by the pandemic who were told it was in the name of saving the nhs that the economy was allowed to collapse.
Maybe instead of point scoring the opposition parties and unions should be putting forward proposals to those in the population who haven’t lost everything to voluntarily donate 1% of their incomes towards top up payments for frontline staff?
The analogy about servicemen was never going to wash with you mate, I know that. But the fact remains they aren’t paid per life taken in the same way healthcare staff aren’t paid per life saved.
You hear and read a lot of strong opinions on this, well opinions don’t cover nhs staff parking costs. Too much anger and not enough action when it comes to financial hardship unfortunately. If of course you can call being in a job for life and having to pay to park financial hardship while people go through supermarket bins to feed their children?
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In reply to Post #2249
they probably haven't been thinking about their pay
too busy saving lives and being worked into the ground.
It's a disgrace. especially when you consider that given the projected inflation rise, a 1% increase is effectively a pay cut. there was a nurse interviewed on the radio the other day who said it doesn't even cover the cost of her car park charges at work...
and i don't think you should be getting a pay increase for killing someone....
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A mate of mine who served in the army didn’t see a penny more when he killed anyone and I’m pretty sure he would’ve been paid the same if there wasn’t any conflict to be sent to. He did it because he wanted to serve and protect his country
Controversial I know and not in any way an implication that they don’t deserve a hell of a lot more, but I’d imagine the staff on the frontline haven’t spent the last year thinking about their wages
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I should bloody think so too.
They'll write off a fine for two entitled airheads with their feckin caramel lattes but someone who values those who have been saving lives while risking their own....
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In reply to Post #2246
Glad to see that the nurse who organized the tiny 1 % pay increase protest who got the £10 k fine has got it all back via a crowd fund !
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Quick and easiest way to become a millionaire at the moment is ,,, become a Tory donor , a few £1000 , that's all it takes
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In reply to Post #2241
Peace and love god
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In reply to Post #2242
What's she mean when she calls you a suesels rpikc
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In reply to Post #2241
My missus calls me a dog, bless her, poor thing has dyslexia.
I'm still trying to work out what she means by tunc
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In reply to Post #2239
I look like a god
Well that's what people say when they see me. 'Oh god!'
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In reply to Post #2232
That’s an interesting stat Wayne. I saw on the other day and it said that 30% of men over 50 struggled to get a hard on? Looking at 70% of woman over 50 it’s quite easy to see why
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In reply to Post #2229
but having to look and live like a nerdy, wimpy misfit I 'd decline
Leave Mal out of this, he hasn’t said a thing. All teachers are like this
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In reply to Post #2237
maybe some of that £350 million per week that Boris promised with his big red bus of bulls*** could be used to pay nurses eh?
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In reply to Post #2235
Yes 1% is a piss take
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In reply to Post #2235
Should match inflation plus a drink at least.......
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Royal College of Nursing considering a strike? Can't say I blame them.
Justification for the pitiful 1% proposal? some private sector workers have lost jobs / had a reduced income... FFS. what a ****ing disgrace. last i checked, it's not the nurses fault that some airline (who has for years fleeced us all during peak periods) has had a tough year.
Money still being pumped into HS2 btw...
how much our NHS staff are valued?
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In reply to Post #2231
she really is. and what's worrying is that you can see she's got her eyes on the prize....
in a few years time when she's PM and we are living under her totalitarian rule, remember that she could have been stopped....
in the words of wiser people than me...
'I've got a bad feeling about this'
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In reply to Post #2231
I like strong dominating women
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So, a poll showed that 40% of over 80s broke stay at home rules during lockdown! Cannot believe the most at risk would do that! Selfish ****s.......
Testing at schools with the LFT........waste of time and money IMO......
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In reply to Post #2229
No criticism for "the bitch " ? she is a wrong un !
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In reply to Post #2229
He's got the balls to stand up to Priti Patel and then jack it in rather than put up with her behaviour, good luck to him.
Obviously he's 'not your type' though.
Admittedly he's not a rough tough hunk of a man like Gove or Jacob Rees-Mogg although I'd prefer them to spend their time collecting thimbles rather than plotting how to get another zero on the end of their bank balances while conning hard-up saps into voting for them.
He does look a bit like a gudgeon though.
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In reply to Post #2228
I'm a great believer in that money is a very useful tool but it's not solely the golden key to a happy life.
Given the choice to receive 340K but having to look and live like a nerdy, wimpy misfit I 'd decline.
What's he going to do with it? If it's to enhance his stamp and thimble collection. buy more tank tops, pay 2/6d to have his hair style maintained to the same standard then that's really sad
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In reply to Post #2227
340k in the bank I bet he does not give a flying ****
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In reply to Post #2226
Looking at his picture he looks like the type of person you'd want to bully. Sir or not he looks a right drip
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Blimey, I've only ever seen Diane Abbot inspire such hatred.
Edit: All of that could have been said about his mother before she died.
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In reply to Post #2223
The only issue I have is seeing the attention seeking bitch on the TV all the time of late, £££££££
Like I said, they could just fade into the distance if they wanted to
I bet she has sucked a few cocks for rocks over the years
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In reply to Post #2222
to be fair - cause i always am...
he served for 10 years and did 2 tours of Afghanistan - which is a major step up from any of the ****s who are currently getting paid from our taxes to 'run the country'....
and being born into that family, publicity wasn't something he sought out but the other way around...
and she's an actress by trade so she's doing the same as she's always done in seeking media attention.
like i said - i've no issue with them.
unlike scozza who really doesn't care ....
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In reply to Post #2220
Well put Ken, similar thoughts to me, they want the publicity £ but don’t want the publicity
If they were not interested they would have just ****ed off somewhere quite and got on with life. Wait a minute, how are they going to scrounge a ****ing living though when the purse strings are cut. People like that really make my **** itch, pathetic, a national embarrassment, grow some ******** and do something for yourself, forgot, she has some ginger ones in her hand
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In reply to Post #2220
I'm not so offended by them - they're no different than any other celebrity pair really - can take or leave all of that stuff although I wouldn't be surprised if old Phil had dropped a few of his 'bloody foreigner' lines about her at family Sunday lunch...
as for Harry and his dad....
does the ginger give it away...?
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In reply to Post #2217
They are stealing oxygen for a pass time. If the media could just take its tongue out of Megan's **** and stop pandering to this over-entitled pair of nobodies they would then be denied the very pubicity that they crave while all the time telling us we are invading their privacy. If you don't want to be the headlines then stop making them (the headines).
She is an actress (allegedly) who once played a bit part in some tedious soap; he is the wrong-side-of-the-blanket son of the so-called people's princess. I reckon each time he looks in the mirror he sees his father and know's full well, Charlie ain't my pop!
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In reply to Post #2217
sounds like you care a lot scozza....
there's a few on youtube who spend hours each week doing the same. making detailed videos about people to show how they 'don't care'....
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In reply to Post #2217
The queen opening an enquiry into Meghan , who gives a flying **uk , another smear campaign , elephant in the room , Prince Andrew the peado , strangely got less coverage than the Son that decided to **ck off with his woman .
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Is it just me or does that ugly **** Megan who Prince Harry is shagging make my **** itch
Nobody gives a **** you boring ****, they didn’t want to be part of the royal family so **** off and live on a desert island instead of trying to coin it £
I need to stop watching the news
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In reply to Post #2213
Their not antivaxxers.......their selfish ****s......
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In reply to Post #2213
You suspect some kind of 200,000 strong secret sect within the NHS
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In reply to Post #2213
Not everyone in the NHS is of average intelligence or higher, a minority of them shuffle along as if they are brain dead
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So are 200,000 NHS frontline staff and care workers that everyone was clapping last year now anti-vaxers or do they know something we don’t?
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In reply to Post #2209
Bloody is......nowt wrong with a bit of skimming here and there!
Moan at me when the big corps are paying their fair share.......until then......well.....
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In reply to Post #2202
A covid vaccination passport isn't anti democratic. It's simply a means of identifying if you have been vaccinated or not. You can choose not to be vaccinated, that's a call anyone can make. BUT as someone else said rights come with responsibilities. You can't demand rights without taking on the responsibilities that come with them.
If you don't want to be vaccinated, knock yourself out. But then don't complain if your lose some of your democratic rights, if you aren't prepared to be responsible and do what is right for the greater good.
You're mostly right on the imperceptible creep and subsequent erosion of democracy, but who's been in power for the last 11 years, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say we can't have opposition or go against the status quo. We've had 3 elections in the last 6 years or so. Don't keep voting ***** into power, maybe?
Or do you mean Starmer simply isn't any good at opposing, in which case I'm inclined to agree with you?!
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In reply to Post #2209
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In reply to Post #2208
Cashless society, forced vaccines through stealth........not good IMO.....
Sounds a right nightmare for tax-dodging cash-in-hand antivaxxers.
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In reply to Post #2207
There is no data to support that though? How many mutations are there currently? The 2 variants of concern so far are more contagious, not more deadly!
The fact there is no current plan to vaccinate under 18s blows that out the water. Over 100 million cases worldwide and we have 2 variants being mentioned and the scientists already have the ability to tweak the current vaccines to suit.
Cashless society, forced vaccines through stealth........not good IMO.....
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While you are still free to smoke, drink, take drugs, ski, skydive, drive like an idiot and go on bouncy castles pissed, yet still get treated in hospital if you happen to need it, I don't think you've got too much to worry about.
I don't think the covid vaccine should be mandatory, but if being able to prove you've had it allows access to services and places that are desperate to re-open, then I'd find it hard to sympathise with those who don't want the jab then moan they can't get into the cinema.
As with so many areas of society, it's all about rights AND obligations.
Wayne - if it continues to go round in younger people there is more chance of it mutating into a form that will start killing vaccinated pensioners again. Is it that difficult to understand?
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In reply to Post #2205
Does it matter if it is being passed around if the over 55s are vaccinated though as they make up 99% of the deaths already incurred!
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In reply to Post #2203
The historical - and still present - issues regarding our systems and the BAME community are definitely something that needs addressing. I'm in absolute agreement there. And that goes much deeper than reluctance to trust the covid jab. Systemic racism will do that unfortunately.
And as I said - there are many people who have been fed misinformation - this needs addressing in as many ways as possible. For some, maybe it is the Queen, for others it's Ian Mckellen or John Barnes or whoever. There's no one size fits all - so as many avenues as possible need to be explored.
However - there are those who are simply refusing based on other selfish reasons and it's hard to have sympathy for that attitude. It is a fact that vaccination against a virus reduces transmission rates (not just covid here). So if offered the vaccine and it is safe for you, then I believe you should have it.
I'm yet to see the proposals for the passport being used to deny pensions / benefits / healthcare (although the irony of that doesn't escape me - 'I want healhcare!' - ok here's some healthcare - 'i don't want your healhcare!' ...Or maybe 'I want healthcare!' - sorry we are busy dealing with more covid cases because the virus is still being passed on by people who didn't have a vaccine. you'll have to wait...)
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Contactless increased to £100.........
Well said Hadrian, Its not simply about being anti vax.........Its about the way it can manifest into so much more than simply protecting already vaccinated people who have a 80% less chance of serious illness......
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In reply to Post #2201
Look at the BAME community, virtually no take up... Why? Mistrust of the establishment, a legacy of discrimination and historical and unethical medical practices. Who can blame them? Kick a dog in the balls and it ain't going to come and lick your face. Wheeling out some black sport star, actress or knight of the realm ain't going to pull the punches unfortunately.
You say you agree (and I'm not looking for an argument here btw), but then state using the vaccine as a tool to withhold people's rights, which is what any covax passport will be about, not getting into a nice restaurant or a long haul flight etc, but withholding basic access to healthcare, benefits, pensions etc.
It's a very steep slope we are on and the crocodiles are waiting at the bottom...
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In reply to Post #2199
But it is mate, through an almost imperceptible creep, it's just one of a multitude of changes to democracy. How can we be a democracy when we can't have opposition or go against the status quo? By the time we've let it happen, it's too late to change. The likes of de Pfiffell and Sir Kier will still be hanging around our necks like a noose in the future just like that ****tard Blair.
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In reply to Post #2199
I'm very much in agreement
I'm in no way a supporter of the gradual rewriting of our rights and laws by an increasingly underhand government - but the covid anti vaccination thing pees me off. it's not about control, it's about protection of self and others.
'i want to preserve my right to pass on a potentially lethal virus to others' - selfish b*****ks. like a 20 mile per hour speed limit next to a school infringes your basic human right to drive really fast past a load of kids....
If I knew a restaurant near me was running a 'passport' type set up, it would be immediately higher on my list of choices for a meal out with my family. it's not elitism when the entire adult (and who knows - maybe afterwards they'll look at children too) nation is going to be offered the vaccine.
after the devastation it has brought to the country I still can't believe how selfish some people are being. If it's a case of misinformation, then some targeted redressing the balance is needed. there are some people who are fearful through simply getting the wrong message. this needs to be addressed at source as well as with the people who are duped.
and there are some people who can't have the vaccine for medical reasons - but this can be addressed too with a simple exemption that could as easily set up as the passport app.
just read that furlough has been extended until September - maybe make that dependent on getting a jab and see how it shakes things up...
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In reply to Post #2198
We have been on a slippery slope for some time now , but you are barking up the wrong tree with that one !
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In reply to Post #2198
Seriously, bud. There are many more serious and important things going on which are destroying democracy. And covid vaccinations ain't one of them.
FWIW, I'm very Liberal and have no problem with the concept of vaccination passports. I'm much more worried about the ignorant and selfish ****s who want to have their cake and eat it and put everyone they come into contact with at risk because they read some bull**** on social media.
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In reply to Post #2189
It's a very slippery slope we are on, any removal of liberty or freedom to disagree should be fought against, whether you agree with the case or not... What was it the Manic Street Preachers paraphrased? "If you tolerate this then your children will be next......"
Vaccine passports will undoubtedly be just be a start, freedom should never be taken for granted, and the ability to be able to voice opinions or views should be a god given right especially in a so called democracy like the UK. The gradual creep of liberal rights been removed, is imperceptible until you have no rights at all.
As Martin Niemoller famously said, and in doing so admitting he had been one not to speak out..
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out..Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out...Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out...Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me.....and there was no one left to speak for me."
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In reply to Post #2196
Tip of the iceberg mate
But yes. They need holding to account for all of it
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Hold the bent fu47ers too account
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In reply to Post #2188
Well said Ken
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Triggered guys.....
It’s about choice and freedoms with an effective Vaccine in place......
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In reply to Post #2192
Far out
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In reply to Post #2191
if it was available in 'smokable' form maybe...?
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In reply to Post #2190
Do you think hippies would’ve embraced a vaccine program back in the day, Mal?
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In reply to Post #2188
too right! power to the people. anarchy in the UK. you can take our right to travel, but you'll never take, our FREEEEDOOOOOM!!!!! etc.
'i'm not having their vaccine. It's all about control and them keeping tabs on us and the like. now, where do I put my name and personal details on this government form...?'
if boris and co had half a brain they'd sort this quickly -- incentivise rather than disqualify. free tea and biscuits for anyone who has a vaccine passport. it worked for the 'give blood' people after all
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Is there a 'Deny NHS treatment to any Covid patients who have been offered and refused a vaccine' petition?
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In reply to Post #2187
ATM there are nearly a quarter of a million ****ing idiots signed up!
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If it interests anyone a petition is running for NOT rolling out a CV Passport for the workplace, restaraunts etc etc.
Covid passport petition
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As another piece of our nhs slips into the hands of a American insurance company there was hardly a murmur from our media
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That's it, the world has officially gone mad
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In reply to Post #2182
So , we have Matted Wan*sock claiming that he was working so hard on making sure we didn't run out of ppe that he forgot to state that our hard eared was being shovelled into his mates pockets !
Then we have this idiot , saying this
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Look away hippo !
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What did actually happen to the coronavirus thread , iv'e seen em locked before but not just "disappeared " were you all very naughty today while i was out working ?
More importantly , wtf are Boris and his idiots going to do now , they will be lost without our guidance !
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In reply to Post #2181
All Diane Abbott's fault.......again
There's another Covid thread now
And Spanker has his own ramblings thread
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I'll particularly miss the grinning acceptance of one of the highest death rates in the world ....
.... 'because Diane Abbot would've done worse'.
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In reply to Post #2179
Such a shame all that unbiased expertise on virology gone forever.
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In reply to Post #2178
maybe the vaccine worked....?
At last
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In reply to Post #2177
maybe the vaccine worked....?
or it was actually 'just a flu' thread all along?
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Has the coronavirus thread been disappeared ??????
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In reply to Post #2175
I can just see your eye balls popping out Tinhead ,you are a hippopotamus unable or unwilling to leave the festering political swamp that he feels safe in and that he has become accustom too , wake up Tinhead , it's a rigged system that is ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
HAVING YOUR PANT'S DOWN !
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In reply to Post #2174
Whether they are right or left wing they can only report the fact that the government broke the law. It's now up to someone to take it further and then the BBC can report on that or get a BBC reporter to ask at question time but you know they will have an answer ready which is they were trying to act as quick as possible during a pandemic.
Maybe someone will put something together but it might take a little while to get it together and lawful , they can't just blurt something out, it has to done properly.
I'm done
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The full 30 second clip , how to help the government get away with it , the none critical summing up of government corruption !
The bbc are left wing , my hairy ar5e they are !
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So , on page 6 of the Telegraph , some actually think it's still worth reading , slightly better than the express , sun etc you will find in the bottom corner , unless you thumb obscures the article , "Hancock broke the law "!
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In reply to Post #2171
What we are seeing with this government is undeniable , are you not seeing it , they are being sued and taken to court from multiple angles .
You are in denial , but why , have you not come to terms with the fact that the last election was built on the biggest set of lies ever to be swallowed by the electorate !
Never before has a government treated us with the contempt that this one has ,
There are some that feel that it's only as big a story that the press and media make out of it , it's not ,this is where you need to use your common sense , the perfect example was yesterday with the government being found guilty at the high court of acting illegally regarding the handing out of £billion's of our money , mainly going to their mates ! if Corbyn were in power now they would of crucified him ,there would be pages and pages of anti Corbyn rhetoric , and you would be lapping it up and screaming for his head !
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In reply to Post #2170
I see it the other way around. It starts at the bottom, grass roots and a foundation for what goes on above.
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In reply to Post #2169
I don't understand what you are not seeing , an environment is being created that all corruption will flourish under !
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In reply to Post #2168
I'm more concerned about local corruption, stuff that affects me as soon as I step outside of my front door, stuff that I have more chance of influencing even if it's only slightly.
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In reply to Post #2167
I have witnessed corruption at all levels for decades and as proven over the last year , i think i am more aware of it than you !
The point i keep making , is that we now have the perfect conditions for corruption to blossom and it is doing , if the few critical voices are silenced , and there is only a few left now and they are doing all they can to silence them and with the new corporate backed 24 hour so called "news channels " about to bombard us with bullshi*, we are vulnerable ,
Stay alert Tinhead , i sense a lot more episodes of
They have had your pants down !
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In reply to Post #2166
I see it alright and something underhand has happened but most people haven't got the appetite for it.
I'm assuming you run your own building firm and have full control over everything, if you've ever worked for a boss in a larger company or work for a local authority you will realise they don't run 100% legit 100% of the time so some are not so surprised when things aren't totally above board and ship shape.
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In reply to Post #2165
He acted illegally , the question is ,,, why ???
surely it's apparent , even to you as to why .
Having your pants down lad
More to come regarding court cases , Priti Patel's turn soon , and Boris the buffoon for hiding it !
You just don't see it tinhead do you , ffs lad , they are bent as fu**
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In reply to Post #2164
Maybe there was too many other news items for it to warrant any more time?
No mention of corruption but....... A judge said the health secretary had "breached his legal obligation" by not publishing details within 30 days of contracts being signed.
I'm not saying that's right or excusable but no mention of corruption.
It's now up to someone to take it further, doesn't sound like Labour are up for it.
Labour claimed the government's awarding of contracts was "plagued by a lack of transparency, cronyism and waste".
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As i expected of the bbc , the high court finding our government guilty of corruption warrants 30 seconds on the bbc news tonight .
Well i never , finally looks that they are starting to own up to the threat of coronavirus via aerosol transmission , i knew the facts about this in January and so did they !
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So , is Matted Wan*sock going to resign .
they are an embarrassment !
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In reply to Post #2159
You are right. It's not giving money to the needy. But Tory donors taking in millions of OUR public money shouldn't go unchallenged. The press and media are owned. The Labour party is to busy arguing over who is less anti semitic. Making the go to court is the only thing left.
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In reply to Post #2158
I agree 100%
My issue is that the avenues open for action are the ones they allow you to have, because it usually leads nowhere.
Good luck to them. Not my bag though, hardly giving money to the needy is it
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In reply to Post #2156
If we do nothing they do it more , might be you next time , it's about doing the right thing !
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In reply to Post #2153
Not really , Salmon and Sturgeon are due for a showdown though and i think it should be resolved in water !
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In reply to Post #2154
And the fact you’re technically paying towards the legal costs for both parties in the case = lawyers/the city/the government win
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In reply to Post #2151
That's right , i have donated 4 times in the last year towards crowd funding for people who i judge to be being victimized !
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In reply to Post #2152
I do myself mate, heard about the work they were doing in tax avoidance/evasion (you decide). Thought every winning footy bet I get up this season I'll donate 10%. But I've the obvious concern's about choice of cases being tackled.🤷
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In reply to Post #2150
You seen what’s happening with the SNP......
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In reply to Post #2151
I donate to them Ocelot. Took the Govt to the High court today
Wouldnt know it looking at the papers as they take more potshots at Markle instead. Idiocracy.
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In reply to Post #2150
There's loads of good people about mate. Just most haven't got the money or support to question wrong or fight their corner. Lawyer's aren't cheap, the wealthier you are the more it's money well spent. Who decides the cases they work on
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I have been following this group for a bit now , Dominic and Boris are finding them a pain in the ar** at the moment , there are some good people about !
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Kind of went under the radar , for obvious reasons , this was 2 weeks ago !
Meghan Markle Wins Summary Judgement In Her Lawsuit Against London Papers
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Trump's attorney summing up the mainsteam media
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In reply to Post #2144
Can't see it. He's lost Congress and the Senate and the Presidential election. As bigly a loser as you can get. Trumpism being squeezed out of the arse of reality.
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In reply to Post #2142
Their own decision I suppose.
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In reply to Post #2141
Could turn out interesting when he runs for President in 2024 again and probably gets elected 
It will be interesting to see what that doddering old Biden idiot brings to the table
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In reply to Post #2141
Still guilty of making them support him.
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In reply to Post #2141
Who did then?
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Trump cleared of making the knobs storm the senate.......
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In reply to Post #2137
they put the time and effort in to expose the corruption
I’m all for that, good on them
Obviously a passion of yours G, life’s too short for me to get bogged down in political bull****
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In reply to Post #2137
agreed about Ken Loach - perhaps his 'Sorry we missed you' film was a bit too revealing about the injustice at the bottom end of the 'gig economy'...
on the economy - we're told this week hat GDP is 9.9% down, but that overall, people are 'better off'. That's what you get when the rich make the bigger gains as the poor fall behind - the overall average look very rosy. the truth is that the wealthier are pulling away and Boris and co are increasingly in control of the narrative...
Coming to a news item near you soon... 'How Brexit is a huge success'...
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In reply to Post #2136
Surely , everyone can see that what has happened over the last year with regards to the bare faced lies and the corruption by this government , they never admit failure when it's so obvious , they don't care when they are caught out with corrupt contracts and massive failure , could you imagine what they would of done if it was Corbyn in power now , it would be off the scale , they would be demanding his head in the press , instead we have a compliant press that occasionally highlight a few of the major cockups , can you remember the hounding that Corbyn received for not being smart enough for a ceremony when Boris looks like a tramp every day , wheres the criticism , he was public enemy number 1 for your oligarch, bent banker ,corrupt media mogul and your gravy train loving MP , it was very frustrating to watch , for those that knew the truth , especially when you watch this sh** show unravel this year !
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In reply to Post #2136
Everyone has an opinion ,but there are those that know the truth ,they put the time and effort in to expose the corruption and usually rely on donations from the public to do so .
It's working out why the truth is being suppressed , the levels that have been employed to target and manipulate us are more than concerning , the algorithms employed to listen and follow everything we do , the regulations required to tackle this new technology is way behind , but when the people in power are assisted and use this technology against us , were fu**ed ,well we are for the time being , this is why critical voices are being silenced and there are only a few critical sources left now , you know there is something very wrong when they start to attack people like Ken Loach , the panic that Corbyn created and the lies that were created to destroy his are so easy to debunk , just imagine all these news and media outlets could of reported the truth regarding Corbyn ,but didn't , so how corrupt are we ?
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In reply to Post #2132
Aren’t the things you are talking about just opinions then, not facts?
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In reply to Post #2134
I meant journalists not family
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In reply to Post #2133
You must come from a really messed up family !
It's nearly always money at the bottom of all wrong doing a fraction to religion then the odd sexual deviant !
The financial times wrote a good article around the time of the last election about how capitalism in it's very nature is self corrupting and needs resetting , we are now an oligarchy where the majority are manipulated by a corrupt press and media to vote for people who couldn't give a fu** about them .
I was talking with someone last night , who does very well from our tax avoidance systems .
He has always said "the majority of people in this country should not be allowed to vote " but he is very glad that they are as they keep voting for his interests and not their own and that they believe what they are told and not the unfolding reality before their eyes !
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In reply to Post #2132
I don't trust any of them!
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Who do you trust ????
I suppose it's like an extended family and your friends , over the years through experience you just get to know which members of your family and friends are honest and who you can trust ,it takes time , same with journalists , also when you begin to understand global hegemony and who pulls the strings things just begin to make sense .
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In reply to Post #2129
Found another good news source too.......news for all.......once I have found a few more I will post my outcome on world affairs from my list of sources.......
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In reply to Post #2129
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In reply to Post #2128
BTW.... I'm not laughing with you....
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Done a bit of reading and I’m looking forward to GB news.......can combat the lefty / woke news that’s constantly stirring the pot from CV to BLM......
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In reply to Post #2126
I'd agree with that.
Except it was more like 27%, not half of the population.
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In reply to Post #2120
As an organization, it's white public school from the top down to good old Lenny Henry as an inclusion Tsar or whatever they made him.
The news and Current affairs try to be neutral but are so desperate for ratings and relevance that they had Nigel Farage on everything. In desperation to appear neutral, they actually overrepresent the extreme right-wing. They are so scared of the Govt that they hardly hold them to account for anything. Laura Kuennsberg bless her may as well be Johnson's nanny.
However, the public perception, aided by the Murdoch-owned press, is that it's all left wing loonies.
I feel this is primarily due to way too many cringe left-wing comics on shows, panel shows, interviews, and game shows.
They have spent the last 5 or 6 years calling half the British public thick, ignorant and racist and laughing at them.
Similarly with a Diversity make up of this:
White 87.2%
Black* 3%
Asian/Asian British: Indian 2.3%
Asian/Asian British: Pakistani 1.9%
The perception is that they try too hard for inclusivity and people resent that they would be ridiculed for even noticing. A quick look through BBC Iplayer on recent comedy commissions does look a lot like that.
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In reply to Post #2120
Sorry that part of the post was in general, I agree with you.
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In reply to Post #2123
Not 1000's but quite a few, lived here all my life, seen major changes, seen slum areas become expensive trendy areas and a trend for an increase in Labour votes in these areas. In the last election London bucked the trend and the Labour vote actually increased whereas they lost much of their votes in the rest of the country.
LINK
I'll admit I only know a few backroom room people who work for the BBC, I'll also admit my edit to my other post was a bit throwaway but I wouldn't mind guessing there's a bit of truth in it
Anyway, enough about London from me today I'm more interested in areas that I don't know much about, it's all whippets, racing pigeons and eckythump up you way isn't it ?
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In reply to Post #2122
And you know thousands of people? In London?
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In reply to Post #2121
Many of the BBC staff based in London are white middle class left wingers who live in London.
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In reply to Post #2116
What's that got do with BBC staff?
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In reply to Post #2114
I'm saying the opposite. It's Deffo not a lefty Organisation?
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In reply to Post #2116
I find channel 5 utterly pointless to be honest tinhead....
Once you seen one 'when neighbours attack' compilation you've seen them all...
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In reply to Post #2116
They?
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In reply to Post #2113
Lots of white middle class left wingers in London, Islington being an example, other boroughs that they buy into and turn trendy, the residents of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods nearby to me are another example.
Does anyone find Channel 5 left wing?
Edit
The people described above are the sort that work for the BBC, wouldn't last 5 minutes in a proper job.
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In reply to Post #2112
Did you mean infamous Jon
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In reply to Post #2113
News with an agenda isn't news. So if you disagree with the way an event is reported, or wether it even happened :- there's an agenda. I find ITV and BBC do a decent job of impartiality, both models can and do work well alongside each other. If you believe the BBC is leftist it's you that's out of kilter.
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In reply to Post #2112
BBC lefty leaning? Pffft. It's an overwhelmingly white, male middle class institution and is, in no way, a bed of left wing political activism. Look at the new chairman FFS. £400, 000 of donations to the Cunservatives. It's a myth propagated by the tories and the right to monetise it. They hate anything they struggle to privatise and monetise.
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I find it difficult to understand how this new Fox News style TV channel is being so eagerly welcomed by so many.
It would seem that, despite the print media being so overwhelmingly right-leaning and there being no shortage of right wing opinions on line, on the radio and telly, many feel they are oppressed by lefty BBC types who stifle such views. The BBC seem pretty well balanced most of the time, even if they do give more weight than is due to idiots sometimes. 99% of climate scientists vs Piers Corbyn? Really? And let's not forget it was QT that made Farage famous.
Where did this right wing victim mentality come from? It caused Brexit, and now it's set to drag the country even further to the right with a mainstream TV channel.
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In reply to Post #2106
I’m not really talking about giving equal status to both sides of a face to face debate, although unless it’s something clearly bonkers such as your flat earth example, it’s fair to at least hear both arguments
I mean choosing a report which interests you for whatever reason and looking into conflicting opinions through different outlets. Where the other side generally have no means of immediate or direct response.
Somebody charming and articulate can make a good case for most things even if it’s total cobblers.
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In reply to Post #2104
But interpretation isn't just about choice. It's about knowledge and understanding as well. I could use a brexit related example, (he-he) but I don't want your head to explode, so I'll use my work as an example of this
I work in child protection. Anyone remember Sarah's Law, after she was murdered by the paedophile Roy Whiting? Common sense says yes it's a good idea that we should be told where paedophiles live so that kids can be kept safe.
I know through my work the majority of kids are sexually abused and then murdered by someone in the family or close to the family. Very few are abducted and then abused/murdered. Also, while a paedophile is a sex offender, not all sex offenders are paedophiles. The majority of them abuse kids while in intimate adult relationships.
So, we all get obsessed about the weirdo in the block of flats across the road but don't look and think about relatives and friends around us and don't consider them as potential risks to our kids. And that's not even looking at child on child abuse within families.
So yes, interpretation is a part of how we see, think and feel about the world, but the greater knowledge and understanding you have of something, it helps inform how we interpret those events.
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In reply to Post #2106
I know why you mean mate.You have to platform different views though to see how they hold up to scrutiny. Baldwin v Buckley being the best example I can think of, bravely organised and put on in this country.
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In reply to Post #2107
Suit who? Their perceived audience? So again you take a broad amount of evidence before you make an informed decision if you're arsed about certain issues. Pretty simple
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In reply to Post #2105
Yes if your at an event and see it first hand but that’s rare so you rely on news sources for an event but each is different to a degree......so all reliable but also unreliable to a degree as they change it to suit.....
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In reply to Post #2099
Its's not that straight forward tho, is it? This is one of the big problems with TV news at the moment. Most of the time, both sides of a point of view are given equal weighting as though both points of view are equally valid. But often, they aren't.
Examples;- Pascale Lammy who was the former Head of the World Trade Organisation- WTO- absolutely schooled Ian Duncan Smith and Andrea Leadsom on interviews on BBC. They were both given "equal status" in the exchange as though both points of view were valid. But, Lammy as the former head of the WTO, had a MUCH better understanding of WTO rules than those 2. So, to say differing points have view have equal weighting, isn't always correct.
Or, put it another way. Would we give equal weighting to flat earthers in a debate about the world being flat when it's demonstrably true it's not?
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In reply to Post #2104
Of course it is, it's highly improbable and rare that each would have the same life experience for the same information to be interpreted differently. So the person who'd had most exposure to the event would be more informed in their decision making at that point. Experts anyone?
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In reply to Post #2103
Interpretation is an individuals choice, what you may interpret as something, others may not from the same information though......who is then correct?
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In reply to Post #2101
Of course it's then down to you, nothing like Chinese whispers
Same as turning up at a lake at a certain time of year, certain day of the week, in certain weather conditions. You then choose where you peg up and how you set up too get it right, based on previous knowledge gained and taking into account what's going on and will more than likely go on.
The broader the factors you can interpret the more chance of being right. If you prejudge even with all the available information as many do, you are what you are and probably end up storming the Capitol with a flag and red hat on
Nothing wrong with interpreting things wrongly. Just how quickly you realise and change is the measure.
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In reply to Post #2101
His Book. Manufacturing Consent is well worth a read.
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In reply to Post #2090
If you want a barometer or a guide to how governments act and how you can judge them , you will not find a man with more knowledge than Noam Chomsky ,try to find an interview , over the previous 50 years where someone has got the better of him ,
I will often listen to Peter Oborne , he has risked his career on numerous occasions to highlight things , "inside the Israeli lobby " was more than a bit risky to his career , i have a lot of respect for him .
Annie Machon , Mi5 whistle blower , has highlighted a lot of truths
John Pilger ,the legend
So, How do you know what these are exposing is the truth?? Simply because you think its plausible or hard evidence? If its hard evidence then surely people get arrested for crimes they commit??
The broader the reporting spectrum you choose to use if you're arsed about certain issues, chances are you'll have a well informed view of the event.
Im not so sure, you have lots of information yes, but then its down to you to interpret it which is similar to chinese whispers and can change to suit your own mind set........
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Tinhead , i have nothing against anyone who " can't be arsed " thats fair enough, but why the criticism for those that "can be arsed " ! it's honest criticism , the truth .
Don't idolise politicians , they only let you down , as Boris has done
All i am saying ,is that if everyone takes their eye off them , especially this lot , then , they will have our pants down , they have no scruples , i have never seen anything on this scale before , at the worst time possible for the country ,
Noj , i will put the "news " on the news thread when i want too, pal , feel free to shoot it down , if you feel like making a fool of yourself , for whatever reason you have . that nasty truth finding bas**rd , gonna get him , that's how stupid it sounds !
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In reply to Post #2095
FFS lad give it up
If you’re interested in current affairs then you absolutely have to read/watch/hear conflicting reports from either side of the fence to make a fair judgement.
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I'm not getting involved in the bun fight. I've my own personal vendetta against Gavin to focus on...
I will say that spanker is barking at the right tree with the freedom of information / press restrictions thing though.
Boris and co getting very authoritarian state with it. Getting people to sign an NDA when they apply for grants to remove life threatening cladding from high rise flats is the tip of a dodgy iceberg...
Peace and love all
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In reply to Post #2095
'Got the balls'. What to tell you where I get my news from? No balls needed, no secret, mostly from the TV which I imagine many of us do.
Do I believe it's completely unbiased? no I don't.
Should I seek out alternatives, no I'm that bothered.
What you have to get your head around is that we don't all think like you do, some of us accept the world is not perfect and live with it, we don't mind commenting on a thread but that's about it, but we don't feel the need to try and convert everyone else to our own point of view.
Slag me off for that if you want but you won't change me, and I don't suppose anyone will be able to change you.
PS
'Respond like for like'
Take a look at your last few posts. You can do better than that
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In reply to Post #2094
Sorry noj , yep i copied n pasted the Craig Murray career , thought you meant a later post .
Never heard of him , Who's the thick **** then ??
Tinhead , just responding , like for like , but you being what and who you are ,just see what you want too !
Still nobody has "got the balls " muppets !
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In reply to Post #2092
You didn’t copy and paste that drivel earlier? So you know the life story of this bloke?
Or are you trying to pull me up on grammar?
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In reply to Post #2085
Blimey your last few posts are sounding more like Greeki
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In reply to Post #2086
Copied n pasted it ,you plumb , thanks , a few minutes ago you said i write like a 5 year old ,
Eggy face time yet again , you should go to bed lad , you are getting all hot n bothered !
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In reply to Post #2088
You will never get it right all the time , there are some that take pride still in the truth , Noam Chomsky , he has always been a thorn in the side of corruption and our interventionist foreign policy and where it has led us , with regards to the blowback , or ,terrorism as did Corbyn , we are now reaching "peak corruption" , where they brazenly lie about anything and everything and our press still blows smoke up Boris's ar5e , because he is perfect for them , he is creating an environment that they prosper from !
When our press and media become so blatantly dishonest , idiots fill the void !
How did i know the truth about the Alex Salmon case in early October , how did i know that our government were lying about the effectiveness of masks at keeping you safe from covid in February, as i say , i'm no genius , it's just that i have better news sources than the majority , they have proven it to me for years , that's how i know !
See beyond the branding of "left and right " the truth is the truth !
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In reply to Post #2088
"Surely that exposes you to masses of bollox though?"
Exactly
The broader the reporting spectrum you choose to use if you're arsed about certain issues, chances are you'll have a well informed view of the event.
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In reply to Post #2086
Well there you go you little bitch !
do you have the balls lad ????????????
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In reply to Post #2084
Surely that exposes you to masses of bollox though? Which then leads to incorrect facts in your own mind......news sources are everywhere now and that’s also why there is so many differences of opinion......who is right......you decide......
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In reply to Post #2083
I have just named one today ,
If you want a barometer or a guide to how governments act and how you can judge them , you will not find a man with more knowledge than Noam Chomsky ,try to find an interview , over the previous 50 years where someone has got the better of him ,
I will often listen to Peter Oborne , he has risked his career on numerous occasions to highlight things , "inside the Israeli lobby " was more than a bit risky to his career , i have a lot of respect for him .
Annie Machon , Mi5 whistle blower , has highlighted a lot of truths
John Pilger ,the legend ,
As Tinhead pointed out perfectly earlier today , as with Corbyn , these people threaten to shine a spotlight where it's not very welcome , and the levels of bullshi* now in our media is off the scale and it's about to get a lot worse !
Sometimes if things happen that you think are being hidden , like the Anti capitalist protests in France or Catalan , like over the last few years , Russian RT will always keep our governments embarrassed with some anti west pro Russian propaganda they
also have a fraction of the upheld complaints to Ofcom that the bbc do !
Before everyone has another bitch fest , have the balls to chuck in where you get your information from !
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In reply to Post #2085
You copy and pasted some tripe about a nobody.
You couldn’t highlight your own name on a piece of paper you thick ****
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In reply to Post #2082
Get over it ,
It's plain from today's posts , It's you that makes an idiot of yourself , i just highlight it !
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In reply to Post #2083
I've always looked at news as reports on events. What you make of that report is up to you regardless of where it's from.
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In reply to Post #2081
Last try........who do you consider reliable news sources who are not politically tied to a party or out to make Money and / or a name for themselves?.......
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In reply to Post #2081
“ Iv'e tried many times Wayne , your away with the fairy's , its as futile as this man's actions”
I know it’s the sign of a tosser to point it out..
But I can’t and many others wouldn’t take you seriously when you write like a 5 year old. Sort it out lad
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In reply to Post #2080
Iv'e tried many times Wayne , your away with the fairy's , its as futile as this man's actions
pointless.
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In reply to Post #2079
Your worse than Matt Hancock.......I will try again
who do you consider reliable news sources who are not politically tied to a party or out to make Money and / or a name for themselves?........
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Thought as much , full of sh** !
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In reply to Post #2077
Boomshanka Mal Boomshanka
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In reply to Post #2076
I get mine from the trees and the animals man....
They know what's really going on
Gavin Williamson on the other hand......
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In reply to Post #2071
Page 3 of the Sun and John Cravens Newsround.
You forgot to mention Mal, he gets his from Gavin Williamson and Jon being in Italy gets his directly from the mafia
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In reply to Post #2068
Just proving what was said the other day. I don't necessarily believe what it says in my link just showing how easy it is to source something to fit an argument
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In reply to Post #2071
Recently I’ve been relying on your daily headlines. Your impartiality is the usp for me
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In reply to Post #2071
BBC
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In reply to Post #2071
I don’t really get “news” from any constant source as I’m sceptical of all of them!
Let’s turn it round spanky, who do you consider as reliable news sources who are not politically tied to a party or out to make a name for themselves?
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Soooooo ,after reading your "little girl " bitch fest ! i'm eager to know where you lot get your news from , have you got the guts to be honest , i doubt it and i expect more pathetic responses , prove me wrong !
Anyone ?????
Bobcross
Tinhead
Wayne
noj
Chuffy
scozza
Noj , egg on face again lad !
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In reply to Post #2069
Uzbekistan
My spider sense is tingling, I can sense the corruption from here
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In reply to Post #2067
Sorry mate I haven’t got time to read all that ****. Just tickled me when I saw Uzbekistan mentioned.
You crack on old son
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This is ace , i am glad to see you have done a bit of research , Tinhead , is that the best you could do honestly , ! shame you couldn't do the same with your pin up before you voted for him and his muppets , they are creaming off £billions , question your sources , have a look who their sister paper is , pants down lad ,again .
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In reply to Post #2066
You muppet !
Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010.
Personal Biography:
Craig Murray was born in West Runton in October 1958 and educated at Sheringham Primary and Paston Grammar schools.
He graduated from the University of Dundee in 1982 with a MA (Hons) 1st Class in Modern History.
From 1982 to 1984 he was President of Dundee University Students Association and he was a member of Dundee’s tournament winning Granada TV University Challenge team in 1983.
Professional Biography:
In 1984 he joined the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. As a member of the Diplomatic Service his responsibilities included the following:
1986-9 Second Secretary, Commercial, British High Commission, Lagos
Responsible for promoting British exports to, and business interests in, Nigeria.
1989-92 Head of Maritime Section, FCO, London
Responsible for negotiation of the UK and Dependent Territory continental shelf and fisheries boundaries, for implementation of the Channel Tunnel treaty and for negotiations on the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. From August 1990 to August 1991 he was also head of the FCO Section of the Embargo Surveillance Centre, responsible for intelligence analysis on Iraqi attempts at evading sanctions, particularly in the field of weapons procurement, and with providing information to UK military forces and to other governments to effect physical enforcement of the embargo.
1992-4 Head of Cyprus Section, FCO London
Responsible for UN negotiations on the Cyprus dispute, relations with the government of Cyprus and for the mandate and requirements of the British contingent of the UN force in Cyprus,
1994-7 First Secretary (Political and Economic), British Embassy, Warsaw
Head of the Political and Economic sections of our Embassy in Poland. Responsible for relations with Poland, and assisting Poland’s post-communist transition process with reference to preparation for EU membership.
1997-8 Deputy Head, Africa Department (Equatorial), Foreign and Commonwealth Office
Responsible for British political and commercial relationships with West Africa, including development issues.
1998-2002 Deputy High Commissioner, British High Commission, West Africa Branch
Responsible for British economic, political, commercial and aid relationships with Ghana and Togo. In Autumn 1998 Craig Murray was the UK Representative at the Sierra Leone Peace talks held in Togo, Liberia and Sierra Leone, including direct negotiation with the RUF terrorist leadership.
2002-2004 British Ambassador, Uzbekistan
Responsible for our relationship with Uzbekistan. He found Western support for the dictatorial Karimov regime unconscionable, as detailed in the rest of this website.
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In reply to Post #2064
high level diplomat = ambassador for Uzbekistan
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In reply to Post #2060
And hers too...
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In reply to Post #2063
This report is not flattering LINK
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In reply to Post #2059
I know all about Craig Murray thank you very much, have read quite a few of his articles in the past , some I agree with and some I don’t.
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In reply to Post #2059
How do you know he tells the truth? Is that decided by simply reading what he writes?
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In reply to Post #2060
Oh yes ,sorry , that's so funny
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In reply to Post #2059
That was actually a reference to the fact that Sturgeon looks like wee Jimmy Kranky but that obviously went over your head
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In reply to Post #2058
It's no wonder honest journalism is nearly dead in this country with you 3 muppets ,
Political activist ,, ! he was a high level diplomat who would not buckle to corruption , he is one of a handful of journalists who is not afraid to tell the truth ,now being persecuted for telling the truth , when they are gone we are in trouble . give your head a shake lad !
Wayne , no surprise you ain't heard of him , he tells the truth !
Fan dabba dozzy , yep i have a picture now of you with your little short pants on shouting that and it's not good !
like petty little school girls ,,,,, was he not correct , that's what we should be discussing !
Quite a severe case of , they have had your pants down !
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In reply to Post #2057
Political Activist, Blogger.
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In reply to Post #2055
Who is Craig Murray......never heard of the bloke??
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In reply to Post #2055
Fan-dabby-dozy!
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At last , a bit of the truth came out on the news tonight about the Alex Salmon case / witch hunt , and Nicola Sturgeon is up to her neck in it !
i was privy to the truth regarding this case and mentioned it here via Craig Murrays website , around 3 months ago ! as i have stated previously journalism is under threat in the UK ,they are now trying to imprison Craig Murray , citing a law , that has never been used before in this country !
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In reply to Post #2053
How long does it take the truth to come out in the UK , for Ricky Tomlinson it looks like it could be this week which would equate to nearly 50 years !
Another establishment backed witch hunt backed up by a compliant press and media , against a man trying to improve the working conditions for himself and his fellow workers !
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In reply to Post #2052
exclusive tv rights to the public flogging of Gavin Williamson...?
one can hope i guess....
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In reply to Post #2036
Blair promised him a war for his backing and probably more , what has Starmer promised him , ?
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In reply to Post #2050
Yes that makes sense I suppose it's just not working out right at the moment, there's meant to be a EU/ Astra meeting tonight I wonder how that'll go, we'll have to wait and see.
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In reply to Post #2048
I think there's so much cross border movement between mainland EU member states that most countries see it as essential that they and their neighbours get vaccinated. Going it alone would only work if a country completely cut itself off.
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In reply to Post #2041
Anyone else noticed that everything was “Germany this, France that, Spain did this...” all of last year but now we have left proper it’s all “EU figures and EU response”
Narrative to the public is all about brexit right now. Hence the attempts to convince the masses that the entire rollout is EU determined and not just the bulk buying of the vaccine. Plenty can’t see through the media though sadly
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In reply to Post #2045
You'd think at least one or two member states would have gone it alone. If the richer countries now start making their own arrangements that could cause some friction.
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In reply to Post #2046
I think they call that 'levelling up' nowadays
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In reply to Post #2045
let's not hold our breath eh Jon? (no pun intended)
given the approach of current government - cutting our foreign aid commitment / brexit / pretty much anything that Priti Patel suggests... - helping other countries isn't likely to be high on the agenda
in a slightly related theme, the North West has been told that because we've been more effective in vaccinating, we'll get less supply in the next batch...
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The UK vaccine rollout is indeed miles better than the EU effort, which is great but not a result of leaving the EU. Any member state could have granted unilateral authorisation for the vaccines fast, like the UK did, but they decided to stick with EMA licensing. Member states can make their own decisions when faced with a public health crisis.
What about wealthy countries paying for the vaccine for their ex-colonies - the countries which they got rich from exploiting years ago? That'd be a nice gesture, wouldn't it?
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https://www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-ceo-eu-vaccine-contract-is-not-a-commitment/
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In reply to Post #2042
kind of... but not just helping EU countries - and not just us doing the sharing either
I think we are already seeing the wealthier countries pushing to the front of the queue because they can afford to. it's small picture mindset because unless you are going to completely close borders, the there's little sense in acting in a way that means less wealthy countries can't vaccinate.
COVAX as a regulatory idea makes sense to me, but the UK - and others - bypassed their system and ordered in bulk direct from manufacturers
and of course - in all ways I think that the more fortunate should look to help the less fortunate. apparently that makes me a snowflake - although I'd argue that crying that you can't go fishing at night is far more flakey...
i think this makes a good point
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In reply to Post #2040
Mal are you one of those people who think we should 'do the right thing' and give some of our vaccines to those EU countries who are struggling?
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Don't think the EU are responsible for vaccine roll out. They don't control the health policies of member states You're conflating the issues of vaccine purchasing which is being done by the EU and delivery which is done on a country by country basis.
That said, delivery is contingent on supply. Not sure what's going on, but there appears to be some contractual disagreements between the EU and Astra-Zeneca.
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In reply to Post #2038
give it time wayne....
i'm sure they'll find a way to balls it up eventually
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In reply to Post #2038
It would seem that way !
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EU vaccine rollout is shocking, looks like we left just in time or would be in the same place!
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In reply to Post #2034
Murdoch has a new news channel starting over here. Fox style is the description of it. OFCOM approved it in the last few weeks.
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In reply to Post #2034
"Needs must when the devil drives" springs to mind
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In reply to Post #2034
I think Channel 5 have.
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Has Starmer done a deal with the devil , Murdoch ?
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In reply to Post #2032
Yep , we have all seen the videos and pictures relating back to the holocaust , the worrying thing is how politics can be used to turn people , against usually ethnic groups for political gain and usually to hide their own failings , we have seen this occur recently , it's a shame that people still fall for it !
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In reply to Post #2029
He makes that point. As in, am I just drawing attention to it by making the programme?
I found it really interesting. The denial as a part and parcel of active antisemitism
As I said. Not for everyone
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Just watching this morning, Seems the BAME community are serious antivaxxers........
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In reply to Post #2028
But if someone promoted Holocaust denial stuff online and then, when challenged, just tried to shrug it off as an 'alternative view' that they didn't necessarily believe ... I'm sure plenty of people would be fine with that.
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In reply to Post #2028
I've not seen the Baddiel programme and in some ways I don't feel the need.
It happened and anyone that says that it didn't should not be given any attention.
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In reply to Post #2027
yeah but you're old enough to be senile...
even with my flaws you know i make sense tinhead.
i'm in school tomorrow. lateral flow test at 8.00. key worker kids arrive 8.45. online teaching whilst supervising as we've so many kids in school. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the little blighters.
edit - this won't be for everyone, but I'm watching this programme right now. David Baddiel on Holocaust denial
very interesting programme
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In reply to Post #2026
Green with envy face because we like #2005
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In reply to Post #2023
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In reply to Post #2024
Same here
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In reply to Post #2023
Yes but I also agree with a lot of #2005.
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In reply to Post #2003
Found myself agreeing with a bit of that myself, don’t tell him though ffs, we will never hear the last of it
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In reply to Post #2017
Here comes tinny with his ever so insightful one post and run
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In reply to Post #2016
Maybe the part where you were banging on about me saying people should hate others? Which is never what I said. Just that they would have a right to hate if they were that way inclined. I.e. their life ruined.
Again, before making pointless statements about things you assume people to have said, have a proper read. Only serves to show yourself up
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In reply to Post #2015
Qwayne at his finest. We all know you don’t mean it. Or do you? Probably doing some Facebook staking
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In reply to Post #2016
You've tried Noj but maybe now's the time to give up on the big kid?
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In reply to Post #2007
Appreciate you being rude and patronising as always.
You were giving justification to hate people, not me.
I don’t see what part of that I’ve misunderstood?
“I’d rather you spend you time at school”
Man alive
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In reply to Post #2013
Carry on Jonny by all means, banter is healthy in these worrying times.......
As you were Geeki the terrorist Wannabe......
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In reply to Post #2011
He didn’t mean it anyway apparently.
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In reply to Post #2012
It's very boring for everyone, I'm sure. I'll stop being annoying
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In reply to Post #2011
Whatever.......you reap what you sow old man.....
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In reply to Post #2010
**** off Jon, your a dick and always will be now go talk to your dog......
Awwww.... That's not very nice!!
It's 'you're' BTW
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In reply to Post #2009
**** off Jon, your a dick and always will be now go talk to your dog.......
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In reply to Post #2008
What was the worst bit of integration that was forced upon you wayne? Did you have to spend every Thursday evening with a Latvian family? Did they refuse to serve you in the pub unless you could sing all three verses of the Polish national anthem? Were all letters from the council written in Bulgarian?
Seeing at today is the only time you've ever posted anything sincere, how come your biggest gripe being 'all the foreigners comin' over here' is absolutely no surprise at all. I must be psychic.
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In reply to Post #2006
So many do believe all this countries problems are from our European friends being here, I do not but as I have said I don’t agree with aspects of the integration which was forced upon us from the Labour Party in 97 when they should have made things slightly more difficult to simply turn up and work and also stemmed the flow not just from the EU but the ROTW
That’s me done, back to being a man of mystery......
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In reply to Post #2002
I mean you aren’t annoying me. I just thought you were a bit dim tbh because you couldn’t understand simple wording and sentence structure Along with qwayne, tinny and the btec Rambo, you don’t annoy me, I just laugh at you.
Considering the ONS have been pulled up by their regulator for manipulating data I think there’s a very valid reason to be sceptical of any of the data they produce. I’d say if a business knows that brexit has made them go out of business, I doubt it’s because of another reason. You’d have to consult the business owners as to if they are telling the truth or not (unless they are qwayne of course as you’d never get a straight answer )
Not sure why you’d want to deviate from the fact you intentionally misread my posts (or it was a genuine mistake but you don’t want to admit that of course being the other option) by talking about the numbers of businesses that have stated brexit as a reason they have gone under. Maybe to divert from your error who knows.
Conversation is going nowhere, you tried to prove and point and for the second time it was a point that didn’t have any relation to what I’d ACTUALLY said. Just what you wrongly assumed I did. I’d rather you spend you time at school than making pointless points
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In reply to Post #2005
i guess we are in some agreement on things there - if differing on some of the details
my underlying point was that the leave campaign tapped into the 'blame migrants for all the problems' mentality - for many, not all - which was a misdirection / fake news / lie (choose your own...)
regardless of all that, it seems I managed to succeed where all others have failed - i.e. to get a serious response from you
- which proves my previous point to tinhead in that I am clearly superior to everyone and you should all bow down to me
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In reply to Post #1998
Read it again Geeki, it was about making the establishment listen! I care not about the outcome if it disrupts there set up so to speak! I knew 350 million wasn’t going to the NHS etc but **** them, no more money in the EU coffers which I’m sure most in government benefit from IE there lovely pensions etc.
Mal, I know all of that, and I would like to think many more do but people I can only assume have had enough of not being heard and money not being spent where it should.
Workplace - unskilled jobs in my mind should be filled by benefit claimants and if it’s a meagre wage it’s topped up accordingly, easing the burden on taxpayers and getting UK workers of there arse! I don’t agree with flooding countries full of economic migrants! Our Government should also have been stricter with the free movement of people regarding benefits once here if they don’t work even though most have and contribute to the economy!
Housing - sort of agree, housing should be available to all UK residents as a priority in my mind, then people who have come here to work. Affordable housing is a myth nowadays as scrupulous house builders sit on land waiting for the good times!
Schools - as you know I’m sure and as my wife knows schools have become a dumping ground for EU children with very little emphasis on learning English as the parents still regard it as the second language. the amount of children my wife says simply don’t learn because the parents are not interested in helping and expect everything from the school. Schools have not had good funding for over 20yrs now!
NHS - skilled workers only, see my take on UK residents filling the unskilled jobs! Again underfunded to a degree but also a lot of waste and simply providing healthcare for people all over the world who come here! Government should have started clamping down about 24 yrs ago!
I see exactly where your coming from but have a different View obviously. That’s enough seriousness from me and typing on an iPhone.
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In reply to Post #2003
i never claim to be perfect tinhead
just superior
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In reply to Post #1998
Not totally flawed but I do see some flaws in you argument Mal.
I should point them out but I really can't be bothered at the moment. That's not me being rude to you but I can't be doing with interruptions from the others at the moment.
Another time
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In reply to Post #2001
Annoying isn’t it, when somebody won’t accept your opinion and deliberately argues every point.
Speaking of which.... As you’re a sceptic of covid death tallies you could argue that some of those businesses have cited brexit as the cause of their collapse when it was an inevitability that simply coincided with it. Businesses fail all the time, I’m sure as argumentative *******s there’s some figures somewhere we could manipulate to support the argument either way and carry on like this forever🤷🏻♂️
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In reply to Post #1999
Only hypothetical if it hasn’t happened... sadly there are businesses that have gone, some are on the verge.
Just to clarify to you that using a hypothetical situation to state something WOULD have happened is different to using a hypothetical situation to say that someone COULD do something, because well, it stays in the realms of being hypothetical.
Sure Mal can teach you a bit more about the differences though.
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For what it’s worth I have no dog in the fight, I didn’t vote in the referendum because I didn’t feel well enough informed to choose either way.
So really I have no place discussing it apart from an outside perspective. I think both sides had their points, but it was never a decision that could please or benefit everyone
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In reply to Post #1995
“For instance if your business went out of business due to brexit then you can hate everyone that voted leave“
But of course that’s a hypothetical situation which we, sorry I, can’t reference in discussion
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In reply to Post #1994
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and take you at your word that you're making a serious comment
(I realise I'm on shaky ground here...)
Your point about mass migration and the list of things that you see as being linked problems - do you realise that you were sold a lie if you think your 'leave' vote was to address these 'problems'?
children in schools - school funding is decided by the UK government - it wasn't an EU dictate. There is ample evidence that shows that migrant workers contributed more in terms of taxation than they 'cost' the economy. and education in this country is funded by taxation. Each extra child in a school is funded. The problem - prior to brexit and still now after - is that government funding of state education is neither fair, nor adequate - and it is and always has been the fault of the UK government.
workplace - what's the issue there? 'bloody foreigners taking our jobs'? skilled / willing workers paying tax. not a problem there. unless the perceived problem is employers exploiting migrant workers and dodging tax regulation etc. again, not a mass migration problem but an issue with unscrupulous UK employers.
Housing - again, if people are contributing to the economy, then they should reasonably expect somewhere to live - and the responsibility of council tax etc. that brings. UK government policies on building affordable housing are the issue - not mass migration.
the NHS - migrant workers (pre brexit and Priti's new restrictions) represent a huge proportion of NHS staff. a greater proportion than the equivalent percentage of population. We're talking skilled doctors and nurses right through to maintenance / cleaning / security / canteen staff. again - all taxpayers. Migrant workers could very easily be seen as a huge benefit to the NHS.
Do you see where I'm coming from? noj has it right - politics is divisive. And the brexit issue is perhaps the most divisive thing that we have faced in decades. it stoked up and fed off people's 'hate' / fear ' / selfishness. the huge posters of lots of different coloured people queueing up to 'get in'....? and by way of objectivity, the 'fear' of the economy collapsing after we left. both sides tapped into it. some arguments perhaps with more weight / fact behind them.
again - education is key. i know too many people who voted one way or another based on a single spoon fed justification.
for someone who regularly comments on seeing the truth and not being duped by mass media, i think they've had you.
anyhoo - it's happened now. the responsibility lies with Boris and co to make it work - which it currently isn't, but we're a month in. maybe the next set of elected MP's will be able to sort it out? it will be too late for a lot of smaller uk businesses and as such will contribute to job losses. but we can all have blue passports eh? (sarcasm smiley needed..?)
right - off to next lesson.
peace and love all
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In reply to Post #1994
Not sure anyone will believe that it’s serious after you told us not to take you seriously there qwayne
Serious reply though, your reasons for voting for brexit were never actually on the cards, or set out in any certainty. None of it was. Just wondering why you voted for something you had no certainty of happening as if it would happen?
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In reply to Post #1988
Fake news coming from qwayne once again.
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In reply to Post #1987
Not quite sure that all of you can read. Having the right to hate someone is different than actually hating them. Not quite sure where any of you got that I think people SHOULD hate anyone. Have another read there guys and stop assuming things.
If your life is ruined because of someone else, I’m pretty sure you have every right to hate them. After all it is their fault. Whether you do or not is your choice depending on how you think.
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In reply to Post #1991
when it comes to the brexit vote I'm sure plenty of people voted for bad things to happen to others
(Serious reply) I cant speak for Brexit voters but it certainly wasnt that for me when i voted, It was about trying to make the establishment listen after years of being ignored on various EU issues. One point was regarding mass migration to this country without investing in how we deal with the extra children in schools, the workplace, housing and the NHS! although its pretty clear the voting process for anything is now nothing more than letting the masses think they have a voice on changing things when the reality is very different!!!
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In reply to Post #1989
Well you're a teacher Mal you're better placed to educate Greekskii.
After reading Wayne's post you can be Yoda
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Lol
There are folk that blow themselves up and fly planes into buildings in the name of allah....
Are we to hate all Muslims?
Sorry but it’s a prime example of what’s wrong with politics. Selling a dream of unity that only creates division.
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In reply to Post #1987
Sorry noj, but I'm when it comes to the brexit vote I'm sure plenty of people voted for bad things to happen to others, from mistakenly thinking that Eastern Europeans and other foreigners would be sent home, to simply annoying 'Rupert and Olivia' with their Tuscan villa.
Hating people gets no one anywhere, and I'm sure plenty voted for perfectly reasonable motives, and I genuinely hope they get the benefits they thought they'd see, but I'm not convinced they will, which just makes the whole situation worse.
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In reply to Post #1987
dp - bloody laptop
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In reply to Post #1987
'Nobody voted for bad things to happen to people.' - unfortunately, there are probably some that did....
I'm not for the whole hating thing - it doesn't get anyone anywhere. As you've said, a bit of educating is more useful for everyone.
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#Bekindanddonthatetheplayersjustthegame........
Because of something someone else voted for to happen to you, you would have every right to hate those people
Let the hate flow through you young geeki, your one step closer to becoming a radicalised martyr........
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In reply to Post #1986
Nobody voted for bad things to happen to people.
They voted for what they thought would be best for themselves and their loved ones like you said.
So you’re basically promoting the hatred of people who defend their livelihood or way of life because you voted the other way and lost
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In reply to Post #1983
You can hate anybody that voted to leave Europe if it negatively affected you, but they didn’t have a right to vote that way if it was negatively affecting them? That doesn’t even make sense. And isn’t what I said. If you voted leave and your business is ruined and you’ve lost you have gone bankrupt or whatever financial hole you’ve been left in, then you voted for it so it’s your own doing. Using the brexit example.
If you lose your business, house, etc. Because of something someone else voted for to happen to you, you would have every right to hate those people, because they destroyed your life... it doesn’t often happen because you know singularly that one person didn’t cause it, it was a collective of people that did. Also people have the understanding that political votes are selfish and based on what best for yourself/your business/family.
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In reply to Post #1984
I think , as with me the "hate " is temporary , i think some of our focus should be , who made these people electable , knowing how corrupt and incompetent they were and they did !
Our press and media , as i said previously , the honest man was made unelectable and the lying corrupt buffoon made electable !
And we are where we are today !
Think about it !
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In reply to Post #1982
Morning. No
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In reply to Post #1980
You can hate anybody that voted to leave Europe if it negatively affected you, but they didn’t have a right to vote that way if it was negatively affecting them?
Bit of education and understanding is often the answer, not hating people
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In reply to Post #1981
You're not taking this too seriously then?
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In reply to Post #1980
I’m off to bed
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In reply to Post #1977
I’d say considering politics can be controlled by the public, i.e. a democracy, in a properly functioning society anyway, that it’s not the worst thing humans have an ingrained hatred towards each other over. Religion, football team. Otters, race, etc.
Some far more trivial, some out of anyone’s control, some based on no facts. At least with politics you are meant to have some form of control being the employer of the politicians.
Some have the right to hate you over your political vote, if it directly affects them in a negative way. For instance if your business went out of business due to brexit then you can hate everyone that voted leave, only if you were a remainer. Or if your business rates went up and you couldn’t survive as was a Labour proposal in their manifesto.
I hate racists, so I have every right to hate towards Boris Johnson.
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In reply to Post #1978
That hat was only ever for effect......
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In reply to Post #1976
yeah - I agree she's got more testicles than the rest of the cabinet together (although it's not difficult is it - Gove? Williamson? Hancock? Rees - feckin Mogg? ffs - my cat would have that lot for breakfast and not break a sweat)
It sounds like what you're saying is that we need a new Thatcher... (throws grenade and waits for impact)
and I don't do patronising.
now run along and play with your fishy friends... just don't let that wayne boy anywhere near the kitchen foil again
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In reply to Post #1970
All this goes to show the problem with politics.. It’s just an ingrained hatred of people because of their rosette colour
So true
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In reply to Post #1973
That’s why I stated she’s a **** and I’m not endorsing her mate.
I’m sure you know what I’m getting at without being annoying of patronising in return
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In reply to Post #1969
You been on the shandy Jonny......
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In reply to Post #1972
So your hypothetical situations have conclusions that you have created but it’s factual? Yeah okay then.
Maybe you should put a qwayne disclaimer on it to mention it could be true, could not be, you could mean it but you might not so no one should believe you.
And let’s face it, priti Patel reckons she told boris to shut the borders in March last year. Clearly got no balls because she seemed to roll over and not fight for that to happen, in the slightest, at all, ever. That’s if you believe anything she says of course. Bit like qwayne.
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In reply to Post #1972
careful what you wish for noj... priti is a nasty piece of work. we'd be in George Orwell territory with her in charge
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In reply to Post #1971
JC doesn’t have the charisma or authority so people wouldn’t have listened and he hasn’t got the minerals to put the country into lockdown by force.
Priti Patel is by all accounts a ****, but she’d have locked us down before we could say where’s all the toilet rolls gone.
That’s not an endorsement for her or her party over anyone else, just stating she has more ******** than both men mentioned like Jacinda Arden does
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In reply to Post #1970
Neither Boris nor jezza have the cojones to be a wartime or pandemic busting leader.
That you’ll never know...well unless you’ve got access to an alternate universe of course.
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All this goes to show the problem with politics.. It’s just an ingrained hatred of people because of their rosette colour.
A lot of good, well intentioned politicians are done a disservice daily because of their affiliation with a party.
I’ve a family member who’s a civil servant in a high position within government and he’s basically spent his life committed to national security. If anyone thinks the names you can count on one hand run the country you’re mistaken. I’m actually offended for him when I hear phrases like Tory scum when he and his colleagues commit themselves to protecting these people
Neither Boris nor jezza have the cojones to be a wartime or pandemic busting leader. Plenty do, but that’s not what was needed at the time of the last GE
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In reply to Post #1967
do me a favour and check out spankys grammar
Do you mean 'grandma' wayney? Never can tell with you. Been looking at other people's FB again, haven't you?
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In reply to Post #1967
Don’t believe him jon, it’s probably not true. Or is it? Who knows. Never can tell with qwayne
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In reply to Post #1964
Oh look the 3 amigos.......
Jonny jobs worth, do me a favour and check out spankys grammar FFS......spaces left right and centre.....
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In reply to Post #1964
My budgie knows a few phrases , "bullsh** Boris " ,"Tory di**head " "shine a fu**ing light " and "your a di**head " , he picked em up in a few months , it was easier trying to teach him to remember those phrases than it was to teach Wayne why and how to wear a mask !
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In reply to Post #1963
“No one” isn’t the same as “you” is it......”you” would have been the better word to use.....
So he should've said 'You believes you'?
FFS wayney, you telling people how to write stuff now ... that went well, didn't it?
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In reply to Post #1963
No one believes you qwayne. You told them not to
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In reply to Post #1960
“No one” isn’t the same as “you” is it......”you” would have been the better word to use......
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In reply to Post #1961
Easy, you will give yourself a heart attack!!
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In reply to Post #1956
So , you annoying fu**ing halfwit , i will explain again , for about the 14th time !and if you don't want to be treated like a fu**ing halfwit , don't act like one !
Low grade masks , ffp 1 , surgical masks face coverings etc will offer a small amount of protection to you , it will stop a small proportion of the virus leaving via aerosol , it will stop the majority of droplets being emitted from the wearer when talking breathing etc .
ffp 2 slightly higher level of protection from all ways of transmission and protection
ffp 3 , medical grade protection ,= good ! but when ffp 3 masks are worn with a valve you can breath out (via the valve ) covid in aerosol form so wear a surgical mask or face covering over the mask !
Or , just wear a plastic bag really tight and do us all a favor
do you want little pictures , like in your books ?
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In reply to Post #1959
Alright qwayne... no one believes you
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In reply to Post #1958
I really didn’t.......anyway shouldn’t you be watching “radicalising leftie snowflakes” on YouTube.......
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In reply to Post #1956
Course you did. Probably read it 6 times over, printed it out and stuck it to your wall so you can see it forever.
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In reply to Post #1954
Define "job done " Tinhead ?
If that means , fed a pile of bullsh** ,so that the interests of a few can be protected .
Or turned reality into fiction to appeal to the nationalistic views of the gullible so they would vote for an idiot , then granted Tinhead as you say so naively ,,,,, job done !
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In reply to Post #1955
Nah, skimmed it the first time and not doing it again.......
What was the outcome of the mask Spanky, surgical ones do jack ****?
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In reply to Post #1952
Not what he said qwayne. Read it again.
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In reply to Post #1953
Whatever your views the public got fed up with Brexit so they voted him in to get the job done.
The chances are he won't get in for a second term then it'll be Starmer's turn and then you can rant about him.
For a change it will be the Tories leaving Labour with a big debt, should be interesting
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In reply to Post #1952
I'm not here to start a fan club ,
Only the blind will fail to see that the "pro Boris " voices seem to have disappeared !
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In reply to Post #1951
I don’t See any that have changed their views and aligned them with yours spanky?
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In reply to Post #1949
I find it interesting , demographically , we represent a broad spectrum of society and to watch the changing views of the majority as events have unfolded this last year on here has been great to witness , granted , there is one that is beyond help !
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In reply to Post #1947
It is a miracle he even got to become leader of the party , the amount of flack he has coped with all his political career would buckle the majority , he stood true to his beliefs and values all his life .
He might be boring as fu** , but he is straight , he wanted to hand power back to us , surly people can understand the agenda of all the voices who opposed him , a system now controls our government and the majority of our press and media that serves those that oppose our best interests !
The party in power are completely in bed with these powers and the newcomer Starmer has just put his best lipstick on and is blowing kisses to them , it does not look good for the masses going forward as their interests will be wayyyyy before ours !
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In reply to Post #1948
I can't be bothered to go back into the archives of 5000 corona posts and nearly 2000 on here to check but as I've already said if you try to dictate to me rather than agree I will disagree with you. If you want me to engage in serious debate it won't happen very often. It's the manner in which you portray yourself that is off putting.
Surely it must be frustrating to know that only a handful come on here and some of us only speed read what you say and don't take too much notice.
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In reply to Post #1942
I was searching for some old information regarding the aerosol threat from Covid , but , some of the post's were so funny , i spent around 30 minutes laughing at them , especially yourself and BB calling my political views hyperbole and baseless ,nearly all factual and true now though , sadly , if there was more to do of an evening , i might do so , but there isn't !
It is more than sad that Boris and co have surpassed my hyperbole rants of long ago , very sad .
Everything on these threads is there for us to look at , not really like trolling through facebook , going through family photos etc for a bit of dirt , the fu**ing wierdo !
Your logic raises more questions than answers !
Wayne if you want to see some nice pics of some of my river carp, i will tell you were to find em ?
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In reply to Post #1946
Do you honestly think Corbyn would have resisted corporate influence? Can anyone in this day and age?
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In 2014 , whistle blower's released evidence of a top secret military group called 8200 – or in Hebrew as Yehida Shmoneh-Matayim , that were involved in the mass spying on and monetering of Palestinians in occupied territories , however 43 of the ex employees signed a letter against these actions , stating this .
the “all-encompassing” intelligence the unit gathers on Palestinians – much of it concerning innocent people – is used for “political persecution” and to create divisions in Palestinian society.
The largest intelligence unit in the Israeli military, Unit 8200 intercepts electronic communications including email, phone calls and social media in addition to targeting military and diplomatic traffic.
The signatories say, however, that a large part of their work was unrelated to Israel’s security or defence, but appeared designed to perpetuate the occupation by “infiltrating” and “controlling” all aspects of Palestinian life.
So , Kier Starmer has hired one of these spies for the new position as " Social Listening and Organizing Manager." the purge of the left is in full flow now , 1000's of Labour party members have been thrown out under the guise of Antisemitism, because they have criticized the illegal Israeli occupation , and guess who gathered all the evidence of "criticism of Israel "
We now have an opposition in Starmer desperately searching for corporate support and he will sell workers , "down the river" to get in Power , he's a snake !
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In reply to Post #1943
Yes I deliberately used the word creepy in reference to that.
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In reply to Post #1942
Told him that months ago, join a political forum and rant to your hearts content!!!
This is the non carp section for banter and pisstake, not to be taken seriously at all.......well not by me anyway!
Edit - who knows Geeki, maybe I did, maybe I didn’t........you need to sort that sticky key out too......
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In reply to Post #1942
Some might say Qwayne’s Facebook stalking is creepier. If he even did it. Who knows.
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In reply to Post #1940
If you hear the same story time and time again Yes from you.
You must take this thread very seriously to spend time going back into the archives, some might say creepy.
I take an interest but I don't take it too seriously, from the amount of contributors on here I can only deduce that not many have any interest at all, they are here for the fishing.
I don't say this to be rude but I honestly think you should focus your efforts on a political forum where your input will reach a wider more engaged audience.
Alternatively maybe take a less aggressive tone?
I'll say yet again I'm not a hard and fast Tory, try to dictate to me and you'll meet resistance.
I'm not as naïve as you think I am.
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In reply to Post #1940
Same applies to far left.......
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What was very apparent , as i searched through some of the early posts in this thread
. It seems to be a get out clause that the gullible use , it's either ,it was fake news or you can't be an expert , i think this is the proof , this thread , that the majority of the news feeds that those with right wing ideology possess end up with less factual content , it makes sense , the majority of Tory voters are manipulated to vote , not in their self interests .
For years i have sourced the best feeds for news , here and abroad , i'm trying not to blow smoke up my own arse , but i got a head start on the majority here and reading through this thread proves the point , especially the early posts regarding the level of corruption in the Tory party , the massive fu** up they were going to make of a coronavirus response , the wearing of face masks and the threat of aerosol transmission , when you read my posts against say , Tinhead or Butterbean it's glaringly obvious , that over decades they have lapped up a certain ideology dismissing a lot of the truth as they went along .
So , some say you read news feeds that suit your ideology , i don't , i just look for news feeds that highlight the truth ,
We are about to enter an era , as i mentioned a few weeks ago where fake news is going to rammed down our throats from every angle , there is going to be so much done against us and our self interests , how far to the right will they try to take us , as far as Trump took America , the racism card will be hard to repeat at the next election , but it does work a treat in the UK .
If you hear the same story time and time again , you are being programmed , WMD , get brexit done , Anti Semitism !
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In reply to Post #1938
yeah - my bad sorry
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In reply to Post #1937
I watched it live, can't watch it a second time. That's what you get when you start with a weakened side.
Don't know how they portrayed it in the highlights but once the subs went on you could see the difference.
It's risky but you can chance resting players when you play lower divisions but not against PL.
Look at the Wallets, they left it late
Edit
Blame Mal but sorry that should be in the footy thread
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In reply to Post #1936
watching your lot on telly....
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In reply to Post #1935
What do you expect when you leave you card in a phone box.
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In reply to Post #1934
Hmmm....
As odd as your going into great detail in your description of me in drag...?
To be fair it's quite accurate. Although I'd never hit anyone with my handbag. It's Gucci darling
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In reply to Post #1933
Maybe your just a bit odd?
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In reply to Post #1932
Must have the same thing wrong with my keyboard that Qwayne does.
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In reply to Post #1930
That typo is bad, you keep hitting the Q button?
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In reply to Post #1923
During the war
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In reply to Post #1929
Or do I? Could be doing a Qwayne special. Could not be. Who knows.
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In reply to Post #1928
FFS.......you assume to much Vicky......
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In reply to Post #1927
So sometimes you do mean what you say then Qwayne... rocking the boat now are we?
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In reply to Post #1926
Of course........who is Q or is he totally ANONymous......
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In reply to Post #1925
Qwayne Do you really mean that or?
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In reply to Post #1922
Confusing ain’t it Geeki, must be as you always bite.......
Q......is that Donald trump in disguise or James bonds mate.....
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In reply to Post #1920
Good try spanky, I started a thread about conspiracy theories.......go read it and you will see I didn’t really contribute Apart from a little wind up with Tom ......you know why, because their all bollox........or are they......now stop trying to nick that TV.....
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In reply to Post #1917
Is someone bitter no one in the pub would care about their SAS stories again? 
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In reply to Post #1916
Just remember everyone, QWayne never says what he really means so...
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In reply to Post #1914
It reads how it reads. You didn’t ask any questions before going off on your rant to make a point. If you had then you’d have got them you’d have known that what your rant was going to be would have been pointless.
Qanon follower... their media channels? A possession of the follower.
I can see why you misinterpreted it but a I did try to clarify the point I was making multiple times even though you refused to acknowledge it
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In reply to Post #1919
Tele is bolted to the wall lad , trying to deal with precious customers today who can't understand that supply chains are breaking down and the knock on effects might impact their job and finishing deadline ! by months , fu**ing joke at the moment !
Wayne , you tried months ago , your conspiracy thread , your ideology has been blown apart lad ! you weirdo stalker , all you have left are pathetic jibes !
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In reply to Post #1918
I can see Spanky getting up, ripping the TV off the wall and throwing it across the bar when Boris addresses the nation
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In reply to Post #1917
You forgot spanky going to every other table telling them about government corruption and how he needs to groom them into his way of thinking and Jonny boy in the door way, cap in hand asking for money to feed his dog who he reckons talks to him.........
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In reply to Post #1916
I can see all these characters in the pub, everybody sat round the table having a heated debate, Mal pacing up and down in his dress adjusting his suspenders, getting his knickers in a twist and getting his handbag ready to hit somebody with and Geeki sat in the corner, arguing with himself and head butting the wall
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In reply to Post #1915
Me too, it’s one big thread of *****, facts, opinions, radicalised geeki, the groomer spanky and the dog whisperer Jonny boy.......
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At least when I read through all this I can see the funny side, makes me laugh anyway
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In reply to Post #1912
Read what I’ve copy and pasted again. It doesn’t read how you’re implying at all and I do appreciate the subtle belittling, thanks.
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In reply to Post #1910
Apology excepted spanky, I am clever though, have confused the **** out of you and others for the last 10 months and you don’t have a clue where my head is at .......
Well done on waking your family and friends up........or is it simply called grooming where your from.......
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In reply to Post #1911
Follower being a qanon follower that started their own media channel.
Not sure what else to call the person in question. They follow/believe in qanon and started their own media channel because media is untrustworthy. But expects everyone to believe their media stories to be 100% truth..
Not sure what you wanted me to call the guy, qanon’s answer to Murdoch? Maybe Wayne will come tell us some potentially real, potentially not ranks within qanon? I don’t know.
Seems like you misunderstood/made assumptions/ didn’t bother asking questions before going on eh.
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“Saw an interesting interview with a qanon follower. Turns out all the lies about covid and everything really that qanon don’t trust from the media, are all true because they said it on their media channels.
That’s the level of intelligence the Qanon crowd have. “
You said a follower, part of the crowd. So it’s not actually their own personal media outlet, it’s what THEY consider a trustworthy source. The same as you believe yours to be.
They clearly don’t want to “take it up the arse” either
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In reply to Post #1908
Your a balloon lad , your attempts to make yourself look clever are pathetic !
Edit
Sorry for the outburst !
why not just say what you fu**ing mean , can't be ar**ed with all the pathetic bull**it lad ffs
Your not fu**ing clever enough to deceive , you just end up looking stupid !
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In reply to Post #1908
Why would you think that Qwayne?
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In reply to Post #1906
You assuming I agree with Q Geeki.......you don’t learn do you......
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In reply to Post #1906
Yes of course in my opinion.
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In reply to Post #1905
In your opinion it wasn’t funny.
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In reply to Post #1903
They probably just told you that to shut you up
You have me down for a die hard Tory. While you drunkenly go through the archives you'll see that I'm not. You do realise that when you try to dictate to people some will show resistance back?
In Reply to #1899
Yeah but yours wasn't funny 
@Noj
I'd give up with them. No matter what you say they'll go on and on and on and on and.........
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In reply to Post #1900
No one said they were stupid for the views? If you wanted to make that point then why mention my post when it didn’t say that about them, as I’ve had to make clear to you twice already? You’re trying to point out something no one was talking about...
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In reply to Post #1900
All my friends and the majority of my family were right wing Tory , nearly all of them admit that they were manipulated by our press and media into thinking and voting the way they did and it's so obvious to see now , the nurse who voted Tory who i talked too yesterday is eager for restrictions to be lifted , she can not wait to go protesting against this lot ,it's a joy to witness the awakening of so many !
Shame about Wayne and Tinhead though , they are really messed up , they need some shock therapy !
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In reply to Post #1900
A naive simplistic view , this government has lost the publics trust and confidence , you need to keep the public on board in times like these and they have lost us and it is down to their lies deceit and corruption !
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In reply to Post #1897
Al Jazeera , Russian RT , have to tread very carefully as the level of scrutiny on them is constant and far more than the self regulating bbc .
But as anyone with a decent capacity to think should recognize , these so called "news channels " are there to help push the ideology and ambitions of the countries that own them , they love nothing more than to highlight our shortcomings with regard to anything that will make our government look bad and cast them in a good light , thats not to say that what they are saying is not true though , they still have to adhere to the ofcom rules far more stringently than our so called "news channels " do as there is nothing that would make our corrupt bunch happier to have these critical voices silenced , America deliberately shelled the hotel rooms that Aljazeera where based during the gulf war , killing some of their staff in Baghdad, for highlighting their war crimes and once even asked Blair to back them when they wanted to bomb all their news rooms around the globe , that is terrorism !
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In reply to Post #1894
I’m obviously being facetious, but not for fear of you thinking I’m silly. I couldn’t care less what anybody thinks of my views because I am comfortable with them. I’m trying, and failing, to point out that people’s surroundings and upbringing have a huge impact on their political and social stance. It’s not wrong or silly that people don’t agree with you, their life experience has just led them down a different path.
If we don’t have an opposition capable of opposing we are in big trouble because we sure as hell can’t change anything from the outside, even if we are naked and shackled!
You don’t have to look many posts down, I do blame people for the virus.. as well as the government and healthcare services.
Because let’s be straight, people spread viruses, not government policies.
I could go around licking public toilet seats because the government haven’t told me not to, but I don’t want E. coli or listeria so I don’t.
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In reply to Post #1898
so was mine you daft sod
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In reply to Post #1896
Mal it was a joke. It wasn't meant to be scrutinised
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In reply to Post #1895
Aljazeera maybe sounds a bit too similar to Al Quaeda for some
I've heard that even Al Murray had to explain himself to some confused UKIPs when he stood for election.
don't forget those thousands of 'intelligent' trump supporters who got so antsy about the whole Obama / Osama thing....
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In reply to Post #1889
Aljazeera a terrorist media channel... probably should discuss your wild theories with Qwayne
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In reply to Post #1890
Clearly you fail to understand still It’s stupid to tell everyone to not trust the media...but to trust the media channel you create.
Or are you purposely being obtuse because you didn’t understand the original post and don’t want to look a bit silly?
Any of those ideas are better than sitting there nodding your head and saying they should crack on with doing it a bit more. Sadly the ‘opposition’ aren’t really up to much anymore so they can’t be held responsible to actually oppose anything with any conviction, that’s been shown already on numerous occasions.
No one was paid to stay at home for the best part of a year? When were people never allowed outside their homes and the government paid them to stay there round the clock?
Sounds like you’re in the camp of it’s peoples fault only.
The effect that your tax money is wasted, the country is in the worst debt it’s ever been in and who will pay for it to come out of it....you, me and every other working person. But if you’re happy to pay for something that never arrived/happened/helped then that’s your choice. Pretty sure the healthcare staff have felt it not having appropriate ppe, all those people that didn’t benefit from a functioning test and trace system and subsequently died from the virus... all those NHS staff that have put themselves in danger but won’t be getting a pay rise because there isn’t enough money to do it...
of course no one has felt any effects of the corrupt billions disappearing eh
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I had a look at some of the comments from March and April in this thread last night as i was knocking a few dram's of fine whiskey back and laughing my head off , the misguided loyalty to Boris and co ,Stockholm syndrome !
Then i thought back to Gordon Brown selling off tonnes of our gold at the wrong time and losing a few billion , and how our press have reminded Labour of this ever since , which brings us to where we are now , just the incompetence surrounding the track n trace has surpassed the "gold debacle " many times over but when you factor in the reason for the failure track n trace , as with all the other jobs for the boys schemes at the moment = corruption , Gordon Brown and the gold = incompetence ,
So , where is the press outrage now and for ever more , we are into the £trillions now and i reckon around 1/3 of this amount could of been avoided were it not for these corrupt incompetent fools , where the fu** is your anger to this bunch of idiots .
Wayne pathetic
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Problem is nowadays you don’t know who or what to believe........apart from spanky, he knows everything because the guardian said so.......
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In reply to Post #1889
In reply to Post #1890
Good points.
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So to summarise, the mail is not to be trusted and those who interpret the ‘facts’ differently to you is a moron.
Opposition is there to hold government to account in parliament but given the democracy in which we live, the public are accountable for the party in power for a set term and sadly have to stomach whatever **** the majority have voted for, within reason.
So how do you plan to make a stand against contracts for the boys? Facebook comment then into submission or tie yourself naked to the Houses of Parliament?
I’m not sure what effects people are feeling of these contracts but multiple billions have been paid to people for the best part of a year to stay home (which they didn’t do). Imagine how good we could’ve had it!
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In reply to Post #1882
Lay off the Aljazeera is my advice. It has taken over your life, I can see it, I bet others can too. One day you may blow yourself up if your not careful
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In reply to Post #1887
You said I get and believe my information the same as them... which is creating your own media channel for what they believe in because they don’t trust the MSM. Which is untrue quite clearly, as I do research in to the facts.
You clearly misinterpreted my post anyway. My lack of intelligence angle was that for people that say the media is untrustworthy, to start their own media channel to promote their beliefs and then try to get people to believe them is ironic and quite obviously moronic too is it not? “You shouldn’t believe the media, but believe our media”
As to my disregard for certain media channels, well it’s based on historical inaccuracy and false news spread by them. Hence, based on facts something can be untrustworthy instantly and shouldn’t be believed blindly.
Again, maybe you misunderstand, or are happy to be one of the sheep. Personally if your employee is doing a **** job, why should you not hold them accountable? Not a great way to do business is it? I don’t really like my hard earned money going to someone’s already rich friend without an obligation to provide anything. If you do then yes, you blindly allow yourself to be taken for a mug. The fact you see no choice other than to let the government steal your tax money is quite frankly absurd tbh. But if that is how you wish to live your life then it’s up to you, I find it sad that some in society are happy to do so tbh. Maybe you could provide more of your own money so those that don’t agree with it could stop feeling the effects of it?
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I didn’t suggest you have your own media channel?
You are assuming that what information you have available to you on which to base your opinions is factual.
That’s not to suggest it isn’t, but you have previously disregarded stories printed in the mail (as an example) purely because of the source when they could be completely accurate but no doubt reported on from a differing perspective than your own.
Everybody likes to claim to have an open mind and political/journalistic impartiality, but we are often products of our environments and upbringings. Just saying it’s unfair to suggest that a lack of intelligence is to blame for extreme views, certainly a controversial example, but Hitler was an intelligent man... unfortunately though, nuts!
I’m not sure why you need to drop in that some blindly follow either, it’s becoming a recurring comment from some. What other choice do we have? Because nobody on here is either better qualified nor in higher demand than current members of parliament (of any party) as much as they would like to think they are.
You will find something to disagree with, of that I am certain But I’ve tried getting my point across politely without provoking a patronising response
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6 days - and that was a whole universe and people and squirrels and stuff too. Came in under budget and ahead of schedule. Lessons to be learned there....
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In reply to Post #1881
Your welcome.......
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In reply to Post #1881
Careful, that’s what he wants you to think...
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In reply to Post #1879
No they don’t, because I don’t denounce every form of MSM and then start my own up and say that it’s the truth? I read a variety of media outlets and research facts before making my own conclusions and forming my opinions (you know, the way it’s supposed to be done). I don’t blindly follow anything unlike some.
Not quite sure why you think I have my own media channel either?
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Yes wayne, you have often explained that nothing you write is sincere or a genuine opinion, it is just posted to get a reaction because you are an attention seeking daft lad.
Understood
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In reply to Post #1878
Dont be jealous Jon......my Fan base is huge.....
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I don’t really understand this post greekski.
These idiots believe their information sources in the same way you believe yours.
It’s the year 2021 and we have just seen another US president take up residence in possibly the most powerful position on the planet, who believes god made said planet in 7 days. Being the biggest selling book of all time it goes to show that if enough people with a susceptibility to bull**** read your bull****, you could be onto a winner.
On the other active topic. Leading a country through an epidemic or simply everyday life is a bit like the red X closing motorway lanes, it’s a warning of danger ahead that some of us plebs will heed and fall into line. The others will soldier on at 85mph in the closed lanes irrespective of there being possible fatalities or dangers ahead, simply because of greed and a lack of respect for authority/their fellow man.
What happens? They get to the front of the queue first and prolong the journey for everybody else.
Are the government often useless... yes
Are imported covid cases down to them... yes
Is transmission of covid in the community down to them.... no
Is it down to those with a disregard for others and healthcare setting mistakes... yes
Will people find fault in every step of the route out of this ****... of course
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In reply to Post #1874
although PMs from my support bubble and many other followers would suggest lots do....
'Followers'? FFS
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In reply to Post #1876
Been well and truly found out and exposed Billy lad over the last few months !
You wish spanky.......you Aint got a clue just like the dog whisperer........
You assume i voted conservative
you assume i voted for brexit
you assume i like Boris
you assume i like Qanon
you assume i think 5G Is linked to Covid
The list is endless
blah blah blah etc etc etc
You assume so much but actually no **** all about what i think like so many on here.......you have been my play thing for nearly a year spanky....my biaaaaaaaatches you lot....
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In reply to Post #1874
Been well and truly found out and exposed Billy lad over the last few months !
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In reply to Post #1872
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In reply to Post #1871
Yeah wayne, you READ it, but that doesn't mean you BELIEVE it, does it? You're a Man Of Mystery aren't you? Shame no one gives a toss what you do or don't believe though.
Ditto dog whisperer.....although PMs from my support bubble and many other followers would suggest lots do.....
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In reply to Post #1871
Waynes about as mysterious as diarrhea , see if he can work that out !
Just goes to show , as Wayne , Tinhead and Butterbean etc have proven , you might think you know it all , but you were fooled by Boris and co !
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In reply to Post #1871
sounds like fun
i'd heard that they sent followers out to find evidence for the various unsubstantiated claims of vote fraud. they said they would not rest until they found it and would search to the end of the World -unfortunately reports are coming in that some of them got too close and fell off it
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In reply to Post #1866
Try the Qanon Anonymous podcast Mal, they do a good job of finding the strangest theories and believers and having a good laugh at them.
I imaging laughing at idiots will be seen as completely unacceptable behaviour soon enough, and history will take a very dim view of such behaviour. But in the meantime, give it a listen, it's very funny.
Edit: Yeah wayne, you READ it, but that doesn't mean you BELIEVE it, does it? You're a Man Of Mystery aren't you? Shame no one gives a toss what you do or don't believe though.
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In reply to Post #1865
I read that Shaman bloke was a plant from Bidens camp.......
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In reply to Post #1868
it's the rest of the Village People I feel sorry for...
he's really let the band down
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In reply to Post #1865
Guy seems like a massive cry baby considering he was happy to become a terrorist.
Cried about his dinner, cried about his punishment...
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In reply to Post #1864
Lost for words... interesting take on me just laughing at you because you got so upset about facts.
History is facts. you look at those and not the opinions on those facts. Quite simple really.
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Did you see the Qanon shaman crying because chump didn't pardon him?
said how he'd been 'duped' by trumps words and that he was only 'storming the Capitol' because he'd been told to by his orange skinned leader.
for a group who are supposedly able to 'see the truth' behind all the propaganda and 'think for themselves' it's pretty bloody hilarious.
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In reply to Post #1854
Lost for words for once for a few posts
Good.
Trump's recently published report from the 1776 Commission binned by Biden immediately. Risky subject history when people want to put their own spin on it and teach it to others
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Qanon........are they the same as Antifa.......
What exactly will you teach them Geeki that will stop them taking it up the arse........very weird analogy too......
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In reply to Post #1861
I think Q might be Bill Gates ... sat there laughing at just how much cobblers folk will believe if they read it online in special cryptic messages.
How are they explaining Trump forgetting to expose the Deep State and the nonce network while he was president and was allowed a Twitter account?
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In reply to Post #1860
Saw an interesting interview with a qanon follower. Turns out all the lies about covid and everything really that qanon don’t trust from the media, are all true because they said it on their media channels.
That’s the level of intelligence the Qanon crowd have.
I’ll be sure to teach my kids not to sit back and take it up the arse like you guys like to
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like i said spanky, you aint got a clue what i think..........
Geeki / Spanky - do you have children or grandchildren? If so i suggest you set them on the path of becoming MPs in Government to stop the corruption.......or simply wait for the reset.........
Sorry Jon, forgot you like to bang the same drum.........Vote them out........oh you cant........best be quiet then.........
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In reply to Post #1856
Not as bored as us
Us?
You might speak for yourself and your online emotional support bubble, but not me.
The level of dodgy contracts to mates nowadays is off the scale compared to the past.
Useless ministers would cock things up and resign in shame not so long ago. They just crack on causing more chaos nowadays - the prize for being thick enough to go along with brexit and unconditionally support Johnson.
Save 'us' the oh-so predictable 'But in Botswana in 1973 the PM made his pet monkey finance minister blah blah bla' cobblers.
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In reply to Post #1857
And Wayne /Billy , the truth is something that seems to pass you by , you seem to enjoy lapping up the worlds bullsh** ,
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In reply to Post #1856
He probably can’t believe that some people are happy to just ignore it and aren’t annoyed their hard earned is being given to the mates of the government for F all whilst a pandemic sweeps the globe and kills people.
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In reply to Post #1840
i am beginning to get bored of highlighting all the corruption to people like you
Not as bored as us.......Everyone knows about corruption, All governments have been at it for the last 100 years FFS.........Any other contribution you can think of for these threads........
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In reply to Post #1854
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In reply to Post #1853
Someone’s a bit upset eh
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In reply to Post #1852
Reminds me of a set of those clockwork wind up chattering false teeth you used to get in joke shops most of the time.
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In reply to Post #1850
Looks like we do agree occasionally
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In reply to Post #1849
There's nothing to assume about you, believe me, absolutely nothing.
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In reply to Post #1846
Just mentioned another time people acted in the same way. You clearly have the bee in your bonnet, not me. Your little rant assuming I think the ones you mention are good people or what? not exactly sure what you are trying to insinuate?? Not too sure Churchill only existed for WW2 either? but we wont get in to a churchill debate because, well, we all know the British narrative.
but then I dont think anyone that said "I do not admit that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or to the black people of Australia, by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race has come in and taken its place" deserves any sort of admiration tbh. If you do then it speaks volumes on your morals
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In reply to Post #1847
Exactly Jon.
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In reply to Post #1846
Give it a generation or two and we'll all be classed as raving psychopaths for sticking hooks in fish for the fun of it.
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In reply to Post #1843
You seem to have a bee in your bonet with Winston Churchill mate. Look at the leaders in WW2 for comparable perspective on racism/ bad people in your view. Hitler-enough said, Mussolini-enough said, Hirohito-enough said, Stalin- enough said. De Gaulle-plenty to go at if you want to call him a racist. FDR-also plenty to go at if you want to call him a racist too. In the wings you had people like General Franco- no doubting about him, Mao, perhaps you like him or Tito..Plenty around the world would call the anti axis western leaders great men, knowing decisions they had to make, some would call the others mentioned great men also. You'd lump them all in the same pot? Move on or remain narrow minded...
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In reply to Post #1824
Who?
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My mum and partner just had their first vaccine,they asked if they will get second vaccine in 12 weeks.They were told definitely yes,i will believe it when I see it
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In reply to Post #1840
I think they like to live in blissful ignorance. Seem to remember the same people that ignore the obvious corruption are the ones that wouldn’t have any of it that Churchill was a racist and nothing to be proud of.
Like I said, they don’t like facts so try to bash anyone that states them.
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In reply to Post #1839
Joe Exotic was not pardoned. The guys convicted of Russian collusion were.
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Tinhead , did you help Wayne to enter America with that spear or did you buy it for him there ? was it wise to trust him with a pointy sharp thing and where did it get the wig from ?
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In reply to Post #1832
To be honest Tinhead , i am beginning to get bored of highlighting all the corruption to people like you , i can't believe people can't see it now , but , you are the proof , so i plod on , a thankless soul destroying but necessary task !
Bent as fu** avin your pants down they are lad !
Oh , and all of them are less competent than your mate Dianne Abbot . all of them !
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as for chump junior and the simba b*llocks... be kind. he doesn't know it's not a real lion. that's why he got his dad to set that redneck tiger king bloke free - he thinks he can get him one of the talking ones...
also - when trump said he'd be back 'in some form' was I the only one thinking 'lizard person'...?
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In reply to Post #1833
Northern Ireland
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In reply to Post #1836
Notalot -
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In reply to Post #1833
You'll be alright, cloud cuckoo land is probably way down the list.
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Not much social distancing going on
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In reply to Post #1833
Themselves by the looks of it.
Anyone else see trump Jr. comparing himself to simba whilst using a lion king analogy for the American presidency.
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So Biden is nearly president, Any bets on which country they invade in the next few months........
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In reply to Post #1831
Parliament kept on scuppering it. If it were done quicker Boris wouldn't have got voted in to get it done and according to Spanker we would not have the most corrupt government of all time
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In reply to Post #1830
Ah, but if they'd rushed it, they might've ****ed it up.
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In reply to Post #1828
To be fair he said that over 2.5 years ago. Had Brexit been done quicker that statement might have been true, well at least until today.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1828
he could be right - nobody wants to associate with him either...
could be our ONLY ally
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In reply to Post #1824
Not the best news post-Brexit, true.
Wasn't it Rees Mogg who said 'After Brexit president Trump will be our closest ally'.
That's handy. Anyone want a cheap red hat?
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In reply to Post #1826
the medical profession letting dear Gavin know what he can do I think....
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In reply to Post #1825
Sounds like you wussy teachers are playing up again. I'll ask my missus what she thinks.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1824
maybe he's just the entry pass for President Kamala... now that WOULD be a step up from the man baby eh?
just read this one...
Gavin Williamson can.....
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In reply to Post #1823
Just a shame it's Biden that's taking over.
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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Bye bye Donald
And thanks for proving those who always said you were a complete nobber so right over the last few months
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Looks like murdochs new news channel, to be broadcast in a style akin to American news shows, has been approved by OFCOM. No hope for unbiased news there then
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https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-real-world-analysis-of-vaccine-in-israel-raises-questions-about-uk-strategy-12192751
What? Postponing the second dose is a bad idea?
As if the govt would seek to deflect attention from the world's worst death figures by getting the world's best vaccination numbers, while buggering it up in the process. Unthinkable, I know.
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In reply to Post #1818
Do as i say not as i do politics , from what has descended into a joke government , at the worst time possible .
So , what's on the horizon as the powers that be quieten criticism , at source ,with the persecution of critical journalism
Some may of thought that the existing news channels were devoid of truth , wait until you see whats coming as corporate power tries to keep on board those that can't see or work out the agenda that act against their interests !
As i mentioned a week or so ago , they are going to have to spin some amazing yarns to win the next election for this lot , people are still unaware of the scale and depth of the deception that ensured Boris won at the last election !
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In reply to Post #1817
Not a day goes by when they seem to do something idiotic and so brazenly too. Take Matt Hancock for example, telling the public to “act like you have the virus, stay at home” and then being pictured out in the park...now in isolation as he was pinged by test and trace. Lead by example and all that
If people don’t see the blatant disregard for anyone apart from themselves and their group of mates then there’s no helping you. Beyond a joke really and I’m surprised there hasn’t been a formal vote of no confidence from the employers yet!
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In reply to Post #1816
not sure if this is an urban legend or not but..
word was that a bloke who was made redundant from the shipyard in Barrow left a big brown smelly leaving present in his boss' office draw on his last day...
Biden might want to send the sniffer dogs in to the White house first - I wouldn't put anything past the big man baby!
in other news...
I see Boris and his mates have narrowly defeated the proposed 'genocide' amendment to the Trade Bill. It would have allowed the High Court to cancel trade agreements with countries who were guilty of genocide.
Not sure what their justification is for putting money before mass deaths but .... oh, hang on....
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Breaking news, Trumps final gesture is to release Joe Exotic from prison, and a few more
Wonder if that’s who he got his hair piece from
It’s alive
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In reply to Post #1814
Agree
Plenty more to nail down too $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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In reply to Post #1813
Starbucks... the coffee isn't too bad, but their tax dodging leaves a bitter taste....
see what I did there?
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In reply to Post #1812
Starbucks
And Costa, what did the world do before these, everywhere you go,,people walking round with them, drive through nears me, 24hrs, queues all the time!
How much for a coffee and people have one or two a day lol
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In reply to Post #1811
I'm not much of a coffee drinker but if I did fancy one it wouldn't be Starbucks.
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In reply to Post #1810
Making Amazon pay normal levels of corporation tax in the UK wouldn't be a bad start.
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In reply to Post #1809
News today that an option to recoup the covid debts is to put a 2% sales tax on online purchases in the new budget. Seems a bit of a hostage situation, all in lockdown and non-essential shops are closed, even open many are preferring online shopping because of the ‘rona. So either pay more or risk going to the shops and spreading/getting Covid for a better price? Estimated to raise 2 billion a year. Could have over 100 billion if they taxed the rich and big businesses properly
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Phil Spector has died in prison.
Not really an RIP - he was a musical genius producing some amazing songs and defining his own sound, but as a human being, a real arse hole. Abusive, manipulative and eventually a murderer.
Still - an excuse to hear the best pop song ever (imho)
https://youtu.be/jSPpbOGnFgk
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In reply to Post #1806
Who dares wins
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In reply to Post #1806
Last word is yours........
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In reply to Post #1803
Surely you’d know mr SAS
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In reply to Post #1804
Journalism isn’t sad.......you thrive on fake radical news.....it needs reporting.....
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In reply to Post #1802
Still sad enough to spend your time doing it though eh wazza
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In reply to Post #1801
I hope your not spying on me too
Busted
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In reply to Post #1799
Bollox spanky.......
Geeki.......reporting and fishing.......
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In reply to Post #1797
Only thing we are sure of is that your sad enough to stalk peoples Facebook pages.
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In reply to Post #1792
Made me laugh that
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In reply to Post #1797
The annoying itch on your ball sack is what you represent to me , every now n then , it needs putting straight !
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In reply to Post #1797
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Yes radicalised Geeki......that includes spanky........you two ain’t got a clue what I REALLY think of everything as I don’t share my personal opinion on here for all to see........I just wind you ****s up each day with The different things I read and see. You then ASSUME (you like that word) I agree with what i post.......Baited my friend......baited........
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In reply to Post #1792
Well i know you dont you bigoted old fart , you just proved everything that i have said , thanks for that !
I wondered why Bernie Sanders stood down quietly , looks like he made a pact with Biden and now is poised to become chairman of the Senate Budget Committee. He has vowed to use his position to enact his progressive agenda on healthcare, climate, infrastructure spending, & cutting defense spending. A man to represent the people , at last , a decent man with integrity
link.
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In reply to Post #1794
Yes of course
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In reply to Post #1792
Have you ever considered no one gives a **** what you think?
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In reply to Post #1791
Careful he might call the counter terrorism unit on you
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In reply to Post #1791
Have you ever considered that no one gives a **** about your stance?
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Well , my stance hasn't change from the start of this thread and the covid thread , i started highlighting what i thought and still do , how corrupt and incompetent this government is and the corporate and establishment powers that created it , slowly those that criticized me and those with my ideology have woken up to the obvious , as it has become all to apparent that it's true , SADLY !
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In reply to Post #1789
Wayne doesn’t agree with someone’s opinions so they are radicalised.
Coming from someone that will support trump no matter what, thinks 5G is the cause of coronavirus, but also that coronavirus doesn’t exist and adamantly believes qanon theory
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In reply to Post #1786
Didn’t have to tell you I had a peak, but I did as it wasn’t going to a big secret from covert ops........your radicalised end of.......
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In reply to Post #1784
I dropped in to see if there was anyone new or if anyone had won an argument..................no change
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In reply to Post #1785
Stalking on Facebook = spending too much time thinking of people you don’t even know from a carp forum.
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In reply to Post #1784
Spying...
Wonder what you must think of wayne’s not so covert ops then...
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In reply to Post #1782
I really don’t Geeki, just like keeping you boys honest and humble.........
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In reply to Post #1783
Nope. I just looked in to see what Boris has ****ed up today
And found you, spying
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In reply to Post #1781
Oh look. Someone got a pm
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In reply to Post #1780
You spend too much of your time infatuated by us
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In reply to Post #1775
PMSL
Nice one Wayne
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Evidence but not fact checked.......more conspiracy theories from Bolton’s finest ......
Yeah yeah Geeki, once again I’m just proving you talk **** like your Bessie spanky.......
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In reply to Post #1778
Anyway i'm going working on my motorbike
Bet wayne already knew that
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Yep , it's a tough crowd here !
Some strive to expose the truth and facts no matter who it involves , others seem to have tantrums when you do so ! some just want to bullsh** people . What it has shown up , as has the coronavirus thread is peoples naiveties with regard to politics and the media in the face of all the evidence !
Anyway i'm going working on my motorbike !
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In reply to Post #1775
After you’d mentioned it. Thought I’d have a look. I have an interest in spanker. Just in case we need to pool our evidence for a restraining order
Good to know you’re closely following my every move though...
I must really have got under your skin for you to be stalking me about. Am I a special case or do you have other people you stalk?
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In reply to Post #1773
Failed attempted bailout number 148 !
Put a bit of distance between now and your earlier post's lad
Anyway , looks like Biden made a deal with Bernie Sanders , who is about to become chairman of the Sen Budget Committee. He has vowed to use his position to enact his progressive agenda on healthcare, climate, infrastructure spending, & cutting defense spending.
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In reply to Post #1774
Guess our definitions of weird are different though eh. But then I never click on people’s profiles on here tbh such is the lack of interest on my part
Really.......
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In reply to Post #1773
Especially when they might get a Facebook visit from carpforum echo’s finest
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In reply to Post #1771
No wins arguments on here. Just a handful of people airing their opinion and receiving abuse.
That's why you hardly get anyone new joining in
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In reply to Post #1770
Try reading post 1765........quite A simple explanation for a simple guy to understand I would have thought......obviously not.......
I call it Independent journalism spanky......you know the same bollox you link too trying to dig up dirt on your mates in government ......
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Sad really , you can't win an argument legitimately , so you go trolling through facebook in your desperation for a bit of dirt ! your a bit of a creep Billy !
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In reply to Post #1769
Well just slightly there. Bit weird to go look up someone’s name and then search their Facebook isn’t it, when the only place you interact with them is on this forum and you have no interest in them...
Guess our definitions of weird are different though eh. But then I never click on people’s profiles on here tbh such is the lack of interest on my part.
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In reply to Post #1768
Hardly weirdo, no different to clicking your profile on here to see what you post.......
You don’t interest me one bit
That’s good then, will unblock you now........
Queue ya pal spanky the silly sausage Commenting or providing a bull**** link......
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In reply to Post #1767
Ah so you put me in your weirdo category did you. Why the **** would I look on your Facebook profile? You don’t interest me one bit
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In reply to Post #1766
Wrong.......I blocked you so you can’t see me once I told you I had looked at your rants.......nothing more nothing less Sherlock.......
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In reply to Post #1765
And then you blocked me because you knew you couldn’t resist checking my profile more than once.
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In reply to Post #1764
You still mentioning that.........I was merely checking if you spout the same **** on there as you do on here.......I can confirm you do.......
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In reply to Post #1763
Pretty sure it’s only you there wayne. The geezer that can’t resist looking at other people’s Facebook profiles so had to block them
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In reply to Post #1762
Make it up as you go along Geeki but you were nailed.......
Works both ways, you talk and comment ***** and others answer for the fun of it.......
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In reply to Post #1759
Not quite sure you can count any catches when it’s just people laughing at you can you really
“Oooo I’ll wind people up and get a reaction”
Reaction: look at this idiot over here
“Oooo look i wound some people up because they laughed at me”
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In reply to Post #1760
You hanging, you Swerved answering like corbyn swerved no10.......as you were spanky, back in ya box......
I think your contribution in the “can we go fishing” thread showed how much people listen to your radical views which are 1152 posts of pure hate and bile meant not 1 reply as people can see through your links to DDN wannabees and the guardian.......
Now on ya way out take Geeki with ya.......
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In reply to Post #1759
As i have said before , you openly admitted that you talk sh** .
There is zero point debating anything with you , ,
You prove the point on a daily basis !
All your buddies have fu**ed off , they knew when to chuck the towel in !
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Multiple runs again.......
Spanky, these sources you keep putting links to......are they fact checked or just someone looking for air time????
To early for drinking Geeki but not to early for fishing.........as you two proved........
Also I wouldn’t know how Cons voters think.......
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In reply to Post #1757
Billy bull**it in full flow , quick , someone put the cork back in !
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In reply to Post #1755
Wayne’s had a beer I think. State of him
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In reply to Post #1749
Pretty sure Tory voters spend more time wondering about if Labour were in power than Labour voters do tbh
Then again you go about wondering if there’s a big reset and vaccinations have microchips so your a cut below the rest with all the hypothetical stuff
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In reply to Post #1754
Lots of accusations and speculation.......
Fishing is a funny one, all these fisherman running round like headless chickens saying I can’t sell it because of Brexit........fill the ****ing export forms in you plonkers........hardly rocket science!
MH didn’t forget beds, there not needed........we keep getting told for the last 4 weeks the NHS is at breaking point yet it’s not.......staff levels are poor because of Self isolating doctors, nurses And half are still dancing to “blinded by the lights” and making tik tok videos.......
Leave Priti alone.......we could be talking about that **** Diane Abbott........dirty racist **** ****.......
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You muppets appear to not paying attention recently , especially these last few days and this is why
1 Pritti Patel under fire regarding an error which has damaged the files of around 400 000 police files , some are live investigations
2 Victoria Prentis , unbelievable , 1000's of fishermen are unable to fish which is threatening their livelihoods because their was no forewarning as Victoria was to busy to read the brexit deal as she was organizing a nativity
3 Matted Wan*sock forgot to renew a contract to hire 8000 beds from the private sector just as we are reaching the covid peak !
And i have not even mentioned corruption yet !!!
Give your fu**ing heads a shake , time to wake up !
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Corbyn is the UK version of Trump then........shame we can’t vote for him no more........
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This is the problem in this country's political system , you are barking up the wrong tree whilst ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
They are having your pants down , exactly as this guy says !!
link.
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Your always better tackling a problem at the route source , why do we have these Jihadi terrorists , as proven by enquiries and anyone with any common sense , the "blow back " from our middle east interventionist policies , it's undeniable , one politician warned us of this ,Corbyn , the thorn in their side , but the neocons wanted their oil and gas fields , and Israel wanted their Shiite enemy's degrading or even better completely wiping out !
Your anger should be directed at them , Blair , Cameron , Theresa May ,
Again , give your head a shake !
I would not grant their request for martyrdom , think about it !
Again , Why does no one mention Camerons policy of allowing known Jihadi threats to come and go whilst fighting Qaddafi, being trained over there by ISIS ! so , MI5 , MI6 warned him of the possibility of an event like the Manchester arena bombing ,and it became reality , and you lot are banging on about Dianne Abbot , you plonkers !
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In reply to Post #1748
That’s what you labour voters do.......your comments show that........
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In reply to Post #1747
Love you so many of you live in a land of hypothetical situations instead of the real world
Massive sign of deflection to say “yeah but in a world that doesn’t exist it would be worse, but no one actually knows if it would be but I reckon it would so this absolute crap we have now is better”
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Noj - Your such a fool, if labour were in government the UK would be such a lovely place to live........you know like the northwest where local labour councils wouldn’t address mass grooming of children etc for fear of losing votes from that community .......
Can you imagine what DA Would then be doing, **** all no doubt saying these Young girls deserved it......especially As they are white.......racist ****......
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In reply to Post #1743
So Lee Rigby’s killers get a life of warm beds and free meals because we’re a soft touch?
With you all the way on that one. We should reintroduce the death penalty for terrorists
Like you said Noj, pass me the hammer
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In reply to Post #1743
If you can prove with certainty. Such as video footage as with Lee Rigby then why not have it. But it would need to be stipulated that you can’t just dish it out to everyone.
If you’re happy to let innocent people die then it says a lot about you as a person. Especially as it would be you doing the killing. Once they were found not guilty post death would that mean you’d be up for being killed too? Seeing as you’d have murdered innocent people?
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In reply to Post #1743
And there is the admission of a fool
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In reply to Post #1741
So Lee Rigby’s killers get a life of warm beds and free meals because we’re a soft touch?
No I’d happily risk the odd mishap thanks
In fact I can think of at least a dozen people who haven’t broken any laws to speak of that I’d kill just to get my eye in
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In reply to Post #1740
So you would turn down the chance to rid the world of terrorists, murderers and child abusers because of political allegiances?
You open your eyes, it’s all pantomime.. The rich stay rich and the poor have **** all, red or blue cabinets won’t change that and we’ll all still have to go to work if we want nice things, you know like food and shelter.
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In reply to Post #1737
If you’re cool with potentially murdering an innocent person that’s been wrongly convicted then you should probably be on some form of watch list.
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In reply to Post #1739
Beyond foolish to trust this lot with a death penalty , please don't try to say that our government is independent from our judiciary ,
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In reply to Post #1738
Government, no
Court system, yes
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In reply to Post #1737
noj lad , have you not been paying attention as to who governs us , maybe , if we had a government in power that we could trust with a death penalty , then maybe , you've had a few haven't you , fair enough , so have i , come on think about it
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In reply to Post #1734
Wake up to what? I think they’re both numpties..
I do however agree with PP and would reinstate the death penalty in a heartbeat. In fact I’d be the one to do it if I could, wouldn’t get cracked hands in the colder months anymore.
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In reply to Post #1735
Another numpty !
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In reply to Post #1733
But also , bent and sacked for treachery by Cameron , Wake up to it noj , suppose we won't be seeing you for a bit now !
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In reply to Post #1732
Priti stupid Patel
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In reply to Post #1731
I will give you the benefit of the doubt , as surely this is what you meant ,
https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1314517044973494272?lang=en/" target="_blank">link.
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In reply to Post #1730
I can picture the daily covid press briefings.
There have been 14 deaths, no 14000076198, no 46... oh, bugger, sorry that’s 936
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In reply to Post #1727
When all you have got left "get Dianne Abbot " , you know you have lost lad, it's all over, give your head a shake noJ
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In reply to Post #1727
God loves a trier noJ ,
Are you saying that anyone in Boris's front bench are doing a good job or even trying
ffs
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In reply to Post #1727
My 4 year old could have made less of a **** up of the country.
Probably released dinosaurs or something
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In reply to Post #1712
i'm 100% sure that Corbyn would of done a better job (sic)
Diane Abbott..... at least she tried.
FFS
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In reply to Post #1724
There’s plenty to go at Mal for the right person if we ever get one. We live in hope
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In reply to Post #1724
yep , not looking good .
Thank God we have shut our borders down , iv'e heard that there is a nasty virus ravaging the world , thanks for the foresight of our great leader , we would be fu**ed without him !
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In reply to Post #1721
ah yeah I see
luckily I think the demise of Trump might have put paid to that particular cash cow - but I wouldn't put it past them to still try - bunch of s....
and i agree - the pot is empty. but it's much emptier for some whilst other still seem to be able to take from it. it's about priorities, and as always it's those with the greater need who don't have the power / voice to initiate the change. God only knows how we will emerge from this mess - but you can guarantee the 'haves' will still end up with more than the 'have nots'
we need a huge change in mindset. but it would involve people putting others first and that's in very short supply
'need before greed' - that's my election manifesto. Vote Mal
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In reply to Post #1721
The tory's know that for everything that is privatized = less chance of Labour getting back in power
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And less deaths = economic hit , had to get down to my local market before it closed , tiger prawns @ 1.5 kg for £10 , fried with Chorizo sausage ,followed by crispy duck pancakes , Large duck for £5 , hmmm ,couple of beers , nice bottle of plonk then whiskey hmmm
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In reply to Post #1719
What I am saying is, that’s what they will be looking at next the useless ****s
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In reply to Post #1713
We really don't (spend enough on social care)
I don’t know the exact debt but G mentioned 3 trillion!!!
Serious cuts over the last 10 years, virtually nothing in the pot Mal, there will be more cuts across the board no options, that’s as well as tax increases and god knows what else they can sell off
I would like to know what the interest on that is a day
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In reply to Post #1718
you really want to ditch the NHS? are you doing a sarcasm there?
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In reply to Post #1711
By the time covid is over i reckon we will have a national debt of over £ 3 trillion which is over 4 x the 2008 debt level
So much for austerity
It’s a total and utter mess and we expect a bunch of muppets to sort it out. Pray for the day when a proper leader comes along and says, STOP, this does not work
Wonder what we can ditch first under these buffoons, NHS has got to go
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In reply to Post #1714
And yes , i'm 100% sure that Corbyn would of done a better job and we would have less death's and less death's !
we will never know.......I reckon the Lib dems would have done even better than all of them......
**** themselves and did everything they could to stop it happening.
He would have soon realised Corp power is harder to unravel and tax then simply stating it!!
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I'm finding it hard to understand the logic behind .
£700 billion in 2008 = massive problem and 12 years of austerity
£3 trillion in 2021 = nothing to worry about
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In reply to Post #1714
very good point - we could start with the likes of Amazon / Starbucks etc. - the huge mutinationals who have been taking the P for ages
then all those 'non domicile' business owners and millionaires ...
relying on tax increases from the working masses to pay back the debt is ridiculous. If everyone on the average wage gave 50% of their earnings it would still take decades...
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In reply to Post #1710
Did you know £120 billion is not collected in taxes from the rich annually?
Why on earth should the normal working man having a tax increase imposed upon them whilst HMRC fail to do their job and collect the correct tax from the wealthy?
But then, I suppose they’ll never be instructed to by a Tory government, and when JC said he’d go collect it, look what happened **** themselves and did everything they could to stop it happening.
End of the day, it makes more sense to go collect the £120 billion than it does to make people that work hard and pay their taxes like good citizens pay more to cover the debts?
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In reply to Post #1710
No scozza. We really don't (spend enough on social care)
It's just a few months back that boris gave 1.2 billion to keep transport for London going til the end of the year. That's one single business in one single city.
Imagine a yearly investment of that amount for social care. Or to tackle food poverty. Just imagine. ...
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In reply to Post #1710
It's very worrying watching the absolute incompetence and corruption on a daily basis , these people are making a mess as they shape our country and create trade treaties around the world ,how much are they feathering their nests as they do this , Dianne Abbot was famous for making a mess and attacked daily for it by our "not fit for purpose " press , yet nearly all of Boris's front bench are no better , in fact the majority are worse , at least she tried and she was honest !
If it was a football club , Boris would be out by now , we would be bottom of the league !
And yes , i'm 100% sure that Corbyn would of done a better job and we would have less death's and less death's !
Edit , the most important document post wwII was given a few hours to be scrutinized before being passed in parliament or else we wouldn't of had a deal , a deal which is claimed to be worse than Theresa May's , Boris has admitted not reading it , any of it ! the whole thing was blown out of all proportion and used as a tool to win the last election , they never gave a flying fu** about Brexit , they just whipped up the deluded nationalistic ideology of the masses , works every time !
Pants down !
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£700 billion triggered 12 years of austerity after the financial crash , funny how they have stopped blaming labour for it , who were about as much to blame as the Tory party are for covid .
By the time covid is over i reckon we will have a national debt of over £ 3 trillion which is over 4 x the 2008 debt level , yet they have tried to say it's nothing to worry about , austerity has proven to be a failure Johnson admitted this prior to the last election , probably denies it now , the last time we had a debt anywhere near this was after the second world war luckily the economics of the tory's under Churchill were dropped and an Atlee government rescued us, an unbelievable achievement , full employment , millions of houses built and massive improvements to our infrastructure not to mention the creation of the NHS , National schemes , no bent donors to hoover up dodgy contracts at our expense , and now with Starmer sucking up to large corporations we are in a bad place , Starmer is pro Austerity , as he recently admitted , the death knell for an economy , as proven !
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In reply to Post #1707
I agree. And if we are out of Europe and companies want to deal with us. Well, that’s the price you have to pay to trade in the U.K
So, whilst I’m snowed in and board I googled: Major government spending cuts over the last 10 years
If people are genuinely interested take 15 minutes out and have a read, few links, quite interesting really.
Government cuts have been on a downward trend and councils get most of their funding from council tax, wonder what we did before that!
Basic info here Council spend
Education, adult social care and then children’s social care are the biggest areas of spend
If you read more detail though, as the demand for these services increases coupled with the limited funding that prevents provision of the service required expect some tax increases, council and personal as we move towards 2025 or in effect we are bust
Least we will have more to complain about when we are worse off!
A question, out of interest, do we spend enough on social care?
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In reply to Post #1707
Income tax? You do realise that only applies to the working class paye peasants now a days.
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In reply to Post #1705
Of course it is part time, they did only get an 11% pay rise you know so most need the second, third corporate salary, how else will they afford the third house and lavish lifestyle with more people looking at their expenses claims.
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In reply to Post #1706
Well they could tax everyone properly and it would help massively wouldn’t it? But they don’t.
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In reply to Post #1698
I agree with what you are saying. To the point, you could say all politicians are corrupt and will be defending their own subconscious bias, same as on here, same as everybody, it’s life
As I mentioned before, in an extremely basic summary there’s is a cash pot that has to be divided to run this country. Where this funding gets apportioned is ultimately in the hands of the current government
There has to be a limit on charity, same as any business, if the books don’t balance out they will go bust. Cut costs in one area, it effects another and so on. The trouble with strategy is that you do not realise how good or bad it is until you are a few years down the road, and then, oh ****, we got it wrong
Now if you were to apportion the finances out, in simple terms, think of a pie charts, you have to apportion the percentages and benefits and funding will get £X
If this balance swings it will have a direct effect on the other category's, or you may have a float or you could get a loan, that has to be paid back, think Covid.
The books have to balance out with an aim of no debt but profit, if we break even, that’s a result as a country I guess? What about if we continue to play the debt game, that’s not good business sense it’s it. We could sell things off though, our critical assets to pay it off, encourage foreign investment and shoot ourselves in the foot but at least we have shifted some debt, think conservative!
But let’s be fair,,all the party’s have a history of it. We need to be aiming to reduce the national debt, imagine if we were in credit, how much could we give to charity’s then!!!
So in summary for me, there is so much for charity’s and benefits and possibly a bit more but like everything else it needs some proper focus and attention to make sure that it gets used exactly what it for and not abused. If These are not managed they could spiral out of control, it’s that simple
We are not an endless pot of cash ffs like some people seem to think, there has to be limitations and control otherwise we will be investing in nothing but benefits, it’s that simple for me and our country or any country cannot sustain that, ever!
For every charity that gains there will be one that loses. And that’s why I say, all these money folk banging a drum about support, put you money behind it, respect if they do, If not, shut the **** up!
Unless they double our taxes so we can all give a bit more, how about that?
No pay rises and straight off your top line, I wonder how many people would be banging a drum then lol
A realist
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In reply to Post #1704
Yes , it's beginning to look like being a politician is the "part time " job for the majority of the Tory party !
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In reply to Post #1703
Love to be a fly on the wall in the meeting where someone has to explain to the cabinet what an 'Aldi' is....
As for the fishing farce - no surprise at all.
people are conveniently forgetting that the whole of last year - 12 MONTHS - was the 'transition period'. you know, that whole time when things should've been sorted out so there was none of the current mess after December 31st.
everything left to the last minute like lazy kids doing their homework on the bus.
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Who'd of thought it , have they been reading my post's
Marcus Rashford has teamed up with Aldi to launch a brand new campaign to help feed hungry kids across the UK.
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I had to read this one twice to check
Fishing minister Victoria Prentis admitting she did not read the brexit deal with regard to the fisheries deal when it was published and before it was passed as she was ,, wait for it ,,,, organising the school christmas nativity ! and we have witnessed the result , many pi**ed off fishermen doing nothing in transition deadlock unable to fish !
What do you have to do to get sacked in this government !
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In reply to Post #1700
JC would have been corrupted in a minute no doubt.......corporate power would have seen to that!
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In reply to Post #1699
Yep , after the 2017 election when he nearly won the lies and smears went into overdrive , you could sense the panic , well , some could , such a shame the majority lapped it up , would of been interesting to see where we would be now !
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In reply to Post #1698
To quote Nelson Mandela
“One of the mistakes that political analysts make, is to think that their enemies are our enemies
Extend that out to the super rich and media controllers I guess...and you get to where we are now with how the media contorts the truth and reality, anyone/anything can be a casualty of war for them. Whether it’s a politician, starving children, actual laws or legal activities, etc. As long as it plays out the way the media controllers want it to.
As they say, Murdoch has never lost an election
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In reply to Post #1696
What i am saying is the influence of corporate power and money is now at an all time high ,at the worst time possible and to protect and grow their fortunes they will resort to anything and with this lot in power now , well , it does not bode well , especially when the person who will likely replace "the buffoon" is trying his hardest to suck up to these people !, as we saw with Corbyn , if you are a threat , you aren't winning an election !
It's the corruption of politics by these people is the problem , you can see the negative influence everywhere , as we are witnessing at the moment !
Following the evidence !
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In reply to Post #1695
Or too embarrassed to answer
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In reply to Post #1694
Is journalism, or should I say newspapers and media not just that, slinging mud and selling stories?
Enlightening to know peoples perception's on what they are really voting for and why
What makes them decide
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In reply to Post #1693
You noticed how no one answered my question in my previous post? Says a lot.
They Probably skip past most of your comments knowing you will argue all day long just to have the last word.........
there are meant to be laws regarding reporting and news feeds at the time of elections , well ,unless there is someone that threatens "the established order " and their corrupt grip on society , what happened in the last election was not reported on , except here
Spanky - Same kind of thing could be said about the reporting of Trump in America, Corbyn would have been corrupted and quickly......
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Scozza , with regards to having an election , thats all well and good , but when the people that form peoples opinion lie and are not held to account , what then ? there are meant to be laws regarding reporting and news feeds at the time of elections , well ,unless there is someone that threatens "the established order " and their corrupt grip on society , what happened in the last election was not reported on , except here ,
link.
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In reply to Post #1692
You noticed how no one answered my question in my previous post? Says a lot.
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In reply to Post #1688
benefit fraud does need to be tackled - in the same way as tax fraud (and more recently 'furlough fraud') and other cheating the system does. that builder who says 'cash is king' so he can be creative with his tax return is just as much a problem as those who falsely claim benefits. As are the big businesses and high earners who use tax avoidance loopholes
but the point here - which people are missing while they get on their comfortable high horse and rant about people having mobile phones and Netflix and tar all FSM families with their same prejudiced blinkered brush - is that those who are in need of the free school meals are THE CHILDREN. The kids aren't benefit cheats. And of the 1.4 million (and increasing) families who qualify (yes it is means tested) for this, it's a minority that might spend the money elsewhere.
this gets me riled because the people making the policy have no clue - again! and it creates yet another divisive discourse - making the poorest families yet another group to demonise.
aaaand.... breathe....
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In reply to Post #1688
Doesn’t this just mean that overall you’re frustrated that your tax money is not only going to people that abuse the benefit system, but it also goes to an ineffective system that allows them to abuse it without repercussion?
Can sit there all you like and moan about the abusers but no one seems to moan about the public servants that are meant to find, stop and prosecute them.
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In reply to Post #1688
Same for me
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In reply to Post #1687
i understand both points of view, yes we should be helping those who need it and ensure we all have enough essentials in life, BUT if we were tougher and more vigilant on those that receive benefits and ensure it is only those who really need it receive them there would be more in the benefit pot to assist those who really need it. Thats what people get frustrated with the number of individuals taking the p*** and not the ones who really need it.
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In reply to Post #1684
bullocks
'if you don't like it go and live somewhere else' same old pish. how about 'i pay my taxes in THIS country, so I have a right - maybe even a responsibility - to challenge the piss poor way it is run'...?
and you've said before about how you're happy to help 'our' people - slippery slope that one. Are hungry British kids not 'your' people? or is it just another problem that you don't give a **** about because it doesn't affect you?
and you've also said that your passion for tackling homelessness is matched by your incredible commitment to the cause by 'paying your taxes' - something we all do because we are told to, not out of choosing to support it.
I do have some nice things - and I will do what I can to ensure that other people can have nice things too. although, to be honest - we are talking about feeding kids here. a hot meal isn't something that should be seen as a luxury.
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In reply to Post #1685
When UNICEF have identified that child poverty in Britain is such an issue that they are having to step in to feed them, like they do in third world countries. Can we call ourselves a first world country anymore??
It won’t be long before we are being sent aid from the wealthiest of countries.
Serious social reform is needed in this country, but then you’ll always have the people that label the majority by the minority and look to deal with issues in that way. Whether it’s poverty, unemployment, homelessness, education or whatever else.
Let’s pose a question, would those that oppose giving families cash for FSM because they might spend it all in crack dens and brothels give a toss if those parents were earning it themselves by working and then spending it in those places?
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In reply to Post #1684
Same old Upstairs Downstairs way of looking at things as always.
We have to make sure ALL kids get what they need, even more so in turbulent times, then deal with the piss takers, bums and stiffs. Your view is quite common in this country unfortunately. Make rules for the lowest denominator and apply to all. You see it with fishing clubs, day ticket waters all walks of life. Make the majority abide by the rules made for the dickheads.
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In reply to Post #1681
That’s how it was back then. Things have changed. It’s called history, same as where we are now, in another 50 years, change, change, change...
You keep bleeting on about this country. Go and live in India or some other third world **** hole like that, **** all, absolutely ****ing nothing, no food, no healthcare, no water systems and no ****ing electric for lighting etc. Christ, don’t even mention a TV, radio or ****ing hair dryer
I bet you have all the nice things, Christ, you even have fishing tackle for pleasure, hows that for a luxury?
We are light years ahead of other countries, you should be thankful that your not sat in a **** pit wondering where your next bowl of rice is coming from and respect that you live in the UK
Politics is the flip side of the coin, full of ****ing idiots, a bit like on here. Decisions have to be made, whether they are right or wrong is down to the public to decide during an election.
I am ALL for supporting our people, it’s what we do, it’s in our heritage but we have to be careful and ensure the RIGHT people get what they need not just every drug addict, piss head and **** wit otherwise it becomes a waste of valuable resource that is used for corrupt purposes
Nothing personal Mal,,just my views
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yeah - god forbid that people with **** all might want a bit of comfort now and then eh?
this is where we live - the rich get richer and the poor can **** off if they don't like it...
where's robin hood when we need him?
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In reply to Post #1681
I assume the foodbox idea was because people thought the poor are not capable of making good choices at the supermarket. Maybe they'd squander the vouchers on one jar of caviar and five boxes of After Eights.
The way the poor are viewed and treated is shocking.
The number of rough sleepers in my home town is shocking, especially when you only visit every six months or so, yet it's 'a lifestyle choice' according to every mean spirited git I've ever mentioned it to.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1679
not great
not even close
Great Britain? a self awarded title that was based on exploitation and colonial bullying.
United Kingdom? not been united for a long time
the FSM issue just highlights the huge divide between the wealthy and the deprived in this country. It's usually managed within the school system so it gets to those who need it - i.e. the children.
now it's having to be managed more by politicians it falls apart - the voucher scheme had been set up and was working effectively in so many cases. then - for god knows what reason - it was ditched for the farce of what we've seen this week.
food banks have never seen the demand they currently have. food poverty is a hidden national crisis.
and we're still subsidising MP's lunches...
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In reply to Post #1679
Think you answered that yourself
Compared to some countries we are fortunate and in a good position
Regardless of all the moaning ****s you here on here
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In reply to Post #1678
""we should be able do it in our country and that’s what makes us great.""
And if we aren't what does that make us?
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In reply to Post #1677
That’s my point mate. No problem at all for me supporting people if it’s for the right reasons, we should be able do it in our country and that’s what makes us great. It’s making sure that those who need it really do get the full benefit for the right reasons and that’s the difference for me
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In reply to Post #1676
You forgot the latest mobile and broadband for their sky, Netflix etc.
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In reply to Post #1668
I’m with that, give them food vouchers' not cash, maybe even some type of card system? For every good there is bad and cash is not the right solution. There are loads of **** parents out there who would just piss it up the wall, smoke it or just top up their entertainment pot
Working men’s clubs, pardon the pun are rammed out near me (usually) and they ain’t working men!
My Mrs deals with it first hand, pissed up parents, massive TV on the wall, kids sleeping on the floors, no beds, on the carpet or just a mattress, heart breaking to hear, never mind see! The parents are ****ing idiots, you will be surprised what goes off behind closed doors!
Like someone also mentioned, not healthy food either, ****ing takeaways every night
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In reply to Post #1668
You may have come across many that squander and you believe it doesn't help them out. The reality is 1.4 MILLION kids are eligible for free school meals in England alone. Dickensian statistics, soup kitchen Britain. There's a damn site more cash been squandered on people that can afford it, that'll carry on being handed it. This is an emergency situation brought on by a pandemic gathering pace. Cash or vouchers just get it out there ASAP have the reckoning later.
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In reply to Post #1672
Since the first lockdown I have seen loads of these arrogant self serving morons out in their supercars and their middle aged wives all made up looking down their nose's from their ranger overs but you cannot expect them to stay in their huge country house and exercise in their grounds or pool, most I believe can't cook or make a coffee as they always seem to have a Starbucks or Costa coffee and deli sandwich with them.
EAT THE RICH.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1672
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In reply to Post #1671
Last time i looked the cabinet was extremely wealthy. Nearly all are very wealthy. Multiple houses, businesses, directorships. Private school educated with wealthy families.
Their idea of a difficult decision is which private school to send their kid to. Not how to feed them.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1669
agreed - Rashford gets it because he lived it. I doubt many of the cabinet have ever had to choose between themselves or their children having a meal...
I'm pretty sure the vouchers have certain items that are restricted - alcohol / cigarettes etc. ? sure i have read that somewhere...
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In reply to Post #1669
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If you have a voucher , why couldn't you have a scheme , like click and collect where you can only buy certain food items from a list that would only be used to feed a kid , and you could maybe twist the arms of a few supermarkets to throw a few freebies in also , get Rashford on the job , they could even do deliveries !
It's not hard to work a system out that's better than this one !
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In reply to Post #1666
I've come across many problem families who would squander the money. Giving them money does not help them.
Lots of shops do vouchers, I get vouchers for being on a covid testing scheme and they look normal to me but Noj makes a good point.
I think we all agree the food parcels are **** so something needs to change.
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Washington DC is going in to full on lockdown with a big armed security presence by the looks of it. Due to threats from the terrorists within the republicans spreading a “shoot to kill democrats” plot and sharing bomb making instructions on telegraph and plantr, amongst other things.
Also one of the terrorists is being sought for killing a police officer with a fire extinguisher during the attack which left him dead and saw a mob kicking his dead body, I wonder how people that supported blue lives matter so adamantly could do such a thing?
Awful state of affairs over there.
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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Cash? Giving poor people cash? Perish the thought, they'd go to the shops, come over all giddy and buy something totally unsuitable, like a croquet mallet .. when they don't even have a decent lawn!
Are these vouchers nice and big, like those charity cheques, with I AM POOR written in massive letters on them? Might encourage them to get a proper job in the city that pays nicely.
Just give people who need it the money, cut out all the links in the chain taking their cut.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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Problem is those vouchers can be exchanged for Bernard Matthews reformed junk and chips.
It’s shocking when there are murderers, rapists, terrorists and nonces in jail eating better than children.
Should’ve consulted the Sikh community, they know how to feed huge numbers with healthy meals on a shoe string. Saying that if you gave a bag of lentils, brown rice and seasonally abundant veg to a lot of parents they wouldn’t know where to start.
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In reply to Post #1663
I think it’s mental that the company is being paid £30 and spending at max £10 and keeping taxpayer money as profit.
Or at least that is exactly how it seems to be working out...and until they prove otherwise it looks like our hard earned is going in someone’s pocket and not a child’s mouth like it’s meant to.
Whichever way you look at it it’s appalling, from the governments lack of procurement to the company’s thinking that they’ll get away with providing next to nothing for £30.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1662
most use the voucher scheme when parcels can't be put together.
what I've seen today is just disgraceful. especially given that the lowest income families in the uk have seen the biggest increase in their average spending since the covid measures kicked in (no prizes for guessing which group have seen the biggest reduction in their monthly spending....)
the companies responsible (not just Chartwell) should be stripped of existing contracts
but Boris won't care - don't forget that when the first (oh yes there's been more than one) FSM debacle was happening last Summer, he was sanctioning nearly a Million quid to paint a ****ing jumbo jet for his personal use...
and Gavin Williamson can still **** off
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In reply to Post #1661
Hardly significant £10k 12 years ago LINK
Never the less those food parcels are a scandal. Chartwell-Compass are the company that mainly supply school meals in the UK and it looks likes they've given out all the old **** leftovers they've been stuck with.
I don't agree with giving out cash though, I reckon it should be done using supermarket vouchers.
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In reply to Post #1660
Well they did give the contract to a significant Tory donor without any procurement process.
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Take a bow Sir Marcus Rashford MBE for taking it to the greed brigade again. Ripping off the tax payer with kids food is despicable, well done.
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In reply to Post #1656
He does go on a bit Bob, will leave him to rant to himself.......no ones listening anyway.....
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In reply to Post #1656
Keep it coming tinny.
You should know by now your digs don’t get too me. Not sure why you still insist on trying
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In reply to Post #1655
Last word was all yours then......
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In reply to Post #1651
Does that mean I got the last word
No one gets the last word with him. Just ask yourself, me, Scozza, Ocelot, Henry and Dean for starters. I think I've even caught him doing it to himself.
Look back and you'll see there's plenty of others but they can't be arsed. Shame as we could do with some new views.
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In reply to Post #1654
Well why would you have a need to block me because you can’t see my posts unless you actively look for them. Which just means you were worried you’d spend too much time stalking me doesn’t it.
If you don’t know how Facebook works then only your friends posts show up in your feed. As I’m not one of them you’d never see anything I post. Not unless you went looking for it.
No need to block me unless you can’t trust yourself.
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In reply to Post #1652
Why the hell would I send you a friend request......you rant on there like someone on spice......stalker, not all just wanted to see if you are the same person on FB as you are on here and I can confirm you are a know it all on there too.......
Darjeeling would be lovely and if you could point me in the direction of someone friendly that would be very much appreciated......thanks for caring......
You want sugar with that mal?
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1650
on behalf of snowflakes everywhere I'm offended - Wayne's a nutter / stalker / wind up merchant - he's not one of us.
i can't believe you'd say that. it's just so hurtful.
i need some tea. would anyone like some?
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In reply to Post #1651
You blocked me but I was never going to accept a friend request from you so unless you spent your time visiting my profile you’d never see it??
Okay then snowflake. If you think that makes sense
Looks like someone is getting very emotional. You sure you don’t need a cup of green tea and a chat with someone friendly. I’m sure you can drop a message to one of your Qanon buddies to bring you back down to earth
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In reply to Post #1650
Does that mean I got the last word......
Stalked.......I thought your rants and sharing were trying to reach a broader audience......I had a look at your ramblings then blocked you.......
Will keep discussion in here and not the bait section as well.......
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In reply to Post #1649
Ooooo someone’s triggered. You okay there snowflake
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You to / too / two are truly deluded, your posts on here and FB simply confirm it! Just wanted to make sure you weren’t proper ill as you both come across a tad unstable......admit it spanky, I’m in there all day......
Discuss trump......**** off you can’t even discuss uk politics without ramming it down people’s throats over and over and always want the last word........you would be best to stick CNN on and that’s the whole truth in your mind so **** all to discuss really......
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In reply to Post #1647
Defo sad ain’t it, having to stalk someone’s Facebook because you have no life. Last person that did that from here to me was Dean from UCN. And you know what a racist creep he was...
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In reply to Post #1640
You in my head , yes right , i was amazed at how desperate you must be to actually track us down on facebook for a bit of amo , what's up with you you fu**ing weirdo ! I'm in your head that much i feel guilty not paying rent lad, however empty spaces don't command much rent nowadays !
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In reply to Post #1643
The war party that "Biden the bung " has assembled leads me to believe that things are about to get back to normal and many countries can look forward too be shown good old American values and democracy , or what the rest of the world calls "an invasion "
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In reply to Post #1642
The bbc mentioned this on the news a few days ago , how goods needing physically checking now by border police , not once did they mention that Boris said that their would be no checks on goods , or , no hard border ,
Pants down !
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In reply to Post #1643
Hasn't got a hook for a hand or a beard so he'll be fine.
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In other news, have Americans gone soft?
I remember a time when Americans travelled the globe for the best part of a decade causing havoc to eliminate someone that incited terrorism against their country. Now they are defending someone who incited terrorism against them.
Discuss
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Not content with starting the break up of the UK by facilitating a border down the Irish sea. Mr Fromage wants to accelerate that break up with a new party, Reform UK standing candidates against the SNP on a Unionist ticket
Will be rubbing her hands together Sturgeon at a further split in the Unionist vote.
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In reply to Post #1636
This is what i am predicting will happen , the signs have become more obvious and blatant for over a year now , well to some ! have your little tantrums like you did in April when i was suggesting that they were going to fu** up their response to covid because they were incompetent and corrupt , i don't reckon you would see a bus coming , Mr eggy face !
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In reply to Post #1638
And a few others
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In reply to Post #1636
Plenty of empty space in there Wayne, maybe you should pay him a visit
Think im always in his head.........
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1636
I'm hoping that the various campaigns linked to the cladding issue get some publicity from this - it's shocking the way people are being treated - by government and by businesses that have cut corners with people's safety
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In reply to Post #1634
You may have made a point Mal but Spanker hasn't, all he's done is put THIS on again.
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In reply to Post #1634
Level of corruption and greed within this government is ridiculous. We are all suffering. Our taxes are paying for plenty of contracts which never were fulfilled and the government seemingly paid upfront instead of on delivery. Although there is a legal challenge going forward on this so maybe it’ll all be exposed.
Media control and governmental hushing of issues is already destructive and it’s just getting worse. Look at how they refused to let journalists question them properly, the going got tough so they refused to talk to them
I wonder if the pandemic hadn’t happened if Boris would be lining up for retirement already. Get brexit done and then run away from the consequences of that. Like he did with the leave campaign.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1631
Spanker has a point here....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55611467
they should be more concerned with putting adequate funding into this than including gagging orders....
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In reply to Post #1632
Corrupt? Always thought you had to be very clever to be a public figure and corrupt ti get away with it but Jimmy Saville disproved that as even when Johnny rotten exposed him the powers to be at the BBC and in government protected him and oh yeah who was it again that refused to prosecute on the grounds of what he said was insufficient evidence.
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In reply to Post #1630
Our country is about to be reshaped by the most corrupt government this country has ever seen , you should be concerned !
Edit , or at least on a par with James 1st
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In reply to Post #1629
The next decade is going to get very very ugly ,the level of "news filtering " , persecution of independent journalists and whistle blowers is going to explode , how far to the right will they try to take us to stay in power , sound familiar ?
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In reply to Post #1629
Plenty of empty space in there Wayne, maybe you should pay him a visit
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In reply to Post #1627
Fake news I’m afraid......
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In reply to Post #1623
I dont care so long as I have fun
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In reply to Post #1625
Maybe Wayne has infiltrated his brain 🤷🏻♂️
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #1624
And if we miss it I’m sure you will make us aware
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In reply to Post #1624
Well that's cleared it up then
Is this one of your I know more than you moments
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Stay alert , it will be apparent !
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In reply to Post #1622
Ask your better half but she may fake it.
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In reply to Post #1621
So the news about fake news could be fake which would also make that fake news.Im confused now,so is it news or fake news
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In reply to Post #1620
You sure, it could be fake news?
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In reply to Post #1619
The war on fake news is gathering pace now , although i fear "fake news " is not their primary target , just a decoy !
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In reply to Post #1618
Don’t you try lecturing us whilst the kids are off
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1615
and scozza - **** off ***
btw - check out general carp section for a little gift from me....
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In reply to Post #1615
Good un that
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In reply to Post #1614
I got sent a news headline today.
IRAQ TO SEND PEACEKEEPING FORCE TO THE US!
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I see Trump is banned from Twitter now, unbelievable
Gonna set up his own social media platform he says
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In reply to Post #1612
**** me, be glad when the kids are back at school
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1608
noj makes a really good point (especially when agreeing that Gavin can **** off)
it's hard to see BT doing it for purely altruistic reasons given the way the whole pandemic has been exploited by certain parties (businesses, individuals, politicians, celebrities, the Angling trust.... ) Reading the story it does seem that Gavin has made another head in the sand decision that screws over disadvantaged students but that would come as no surprise to me given his track record.
the whole 'give them a laptop' approach reminds me of the 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' when the aliens say that the plans to destroy earth have been there for us to read on a distant planet for ages...
Maybe Gavin came from a house with a suitable quiet space to work in. maybe he had his own bedroom. maybe he wasn't fighting for use of a single laptop with 4 other siblings. There are so many factors that government just seem to be ignorant of.
It sounds churlish to complain about it, but it's another poorly executed plan that doesn't address the gaps in learning opportunity for the most deprived kids in the country.
If anything, it emphasises the gap that has been created by successive government policy and that schools have consistently tried to reduce. One of the key elements of any Ofsted inspection is 'closing the gap' between PP (pupil premium i.e. disadvantaged) students and non PP. Schools spend a lot of time trying to fix a deeply rooted social inequality.
who knows why he said no? maybe his shares are in Virgin broadband instead...
the laptop provision is a good thing in theory - but in practice, for many families, it's like putting a plaster on a cut when they really need a cast for their broken leg.
Worst Education minister ever - and bear in mind that includes Gove... (who can also **** off)
edit - tinhead - well played Mrs Tinhead
although it's not the weekly mass testing that Gavin and Boris promised on our behalf. We've about 1500 kids - how many days is it going to take to test them each week and who's teaching / TA supporting the classes while staff are doing it...? Yeah, I know, I'm a drama queen...
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In reply to Post #1604
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In reply to Post #1609
if only there was a nationwide free broadband and wifi.... need Jezza dont we
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #1608
They were offering vouchers for 6 or 12 months I think. So people who for whatever reason don’t have the internet get connected and after that free period BT get 1000s stitched up in a contract.
I’m with Mal, **** Gavin.. but these ‘stories’ really need to be approached with an open mind. The corporations are as crooked as the cabinet and BT knew they would come out smelling of roses regardless of the offer being taken up or not.
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In reply to Post #1606
Mal what do you make of your Bezzy mate Gav turning down BTs offer to supply cheap broadband for children that don’t have it so they can learn online easily?
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In reply to Post #1606
Keyworker kids tested negative today Mal. Good thing is they don't make a fuss about it, they just get on and do it. they aren't drama queens
I can't see why more kids can't get tested, go back and get the school opened.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1604
ah...
I do miss those Friday nights out in Blackburn....
and scozza - it's a hair 'style' - no chance of it being cut for a very long time....
btw - my Gavin Williamson can **** off campaign is gathering more followers by the day. now includes members of his own party. pretty soon we'll be storming his house with full body armour and leaving annoyed post - its all over his desk / fridge / pets / nan....
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In reply to Post #1604
Very good
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I'm truly sorry for playing my part in this unsavoury incident !
A recycled classic
link.
Tinhead is the one running off in the distance , Wayne is the one beating a cow up in a nearby field because he misheard Tinhead tell him i'll whack this one you whack the other !
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In reply to Post #1601
Brilliant
Arguing is an intellectual process, you could have fooled me
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In reply to Post #1600
I’m up for the tit
I don’t do tat, l leave that for people like Mal clinging onto his 1980s haircut
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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We could start a dedicated Tit for Tat thread.
...but it might only get visits from disappointed cockneys looking for berets and trilbies.
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In reply to Post #1597
Left me standing, like a naughty schoolboy, Hello-hooray, there's a price to pay.......
Bailing people out Spanky?
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In reply to Post #1597
Poor bloke must have serious emotional issues. We shouldn’t laugh at him.
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In reply to Post #1594
Yep , lights the fuse then he fu**s off home for his tea , has been mentioned before !
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In reply to Post #1592
When he’s not on here he walks round blowing a party blower ALL day, OCD, likes to tickle peoples ears with it
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In reply to Post #1592
Tit for tat thread you big girls blouse !
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In reply to Post #1592
I think everyone clearly understands you like to say your piece then run away and stick your fingers in your ears because you can’t cope with anyone replying back to what you’ve said
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In reply to Post #1588
Tinhead and his minime
Foreign intervention , taking Iranian general Qassem Suleimani out with a drone was criminal , under orders from Israel , the guy was a legend in iran loved more than their leader and was solely responsible for wiping isis out of the majority of the middle east , gotta ask yourself why America did it , all those in the know will know that isis are our useful idiots again , ask Prety Patel ,she visited a Israeli controled hospital in the Syrian occupied golan heights treating them around the same time that she was sacked by Cameron for giving tax payers money to the Israeli defence force off record !
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In reply to Post #1589
Hopefully now people will understand when I say I'm not getting into a tit for tat you can see the reason why
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In reply to Post #1589
You won’t find a Mr normal entertaining this type of thread, better things to do
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In reply to Post #1588
That was before you insulted me little buddy.
Or did you stupidly think you’d do your normal insult and duck for cover routine?
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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In reply to Post #1588
For goodness sake, it's no surprise other members don't contribute to these threads.
I dare say Mr Normal is thoroughly sick of this petty tit-for-tattery tactic.
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In reply to Post #1570
but i wont engage in your pathetic tit for tat tinhead.
But you are
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In reply to Post #1584
Nope
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In reply to Post #1585
Yup.
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In reply to Post #1583
Plus, one man’s terrorist is another’s hero.
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In reply to Post #1582
tiat in my previous post= this is a test. And you keep on failing.
Maybe this time?
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In reply to Post #1581
You’re right there are nuances in it. But again, my point was referring to the white supremacist terrorists in America, who were, believe it or not, all white and all right wing.
Terrorism can be categorised in many different ways. Politics, religion,, nationality, colour, etc. All valid metrics depending on what you’re reporting on.
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In reply to Post #1580
People that deserve it
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In reply to Post #1570
I’m not sure terrorism can be categorised by colour. People refer to Islamist terrorists, not brown ones.
For arguments sake if over 5.5% of those white terror suspects are radical Muslim converts then Islamist terror (without a percentage of those ‘black and others’) will dwarf all other causes and no doubt read as the biggest threat to the nation in an opposing paper or report.
It amazes me the mob in Washington didn’t all get killed, shame
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In reply to Post #1576
Have you ever let anyone have the last word?
tiat
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In reply to Post #1577
Yeah, that’s the sole reason he got voted in by the majority, all those decent folk amongst them
People want change, I can see why people voted for him, make America great again, jobs, import taxes for starters, there were good amongst bad. He had an opportunity and did not deliver
I wish we had someone with bollox but more level headed i would vote for them today!
What are we going to have, another ****ing muppet after another walking the same old road
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In reply to Post #1577
Either way he is still a billionaire. A sad, pathetic little billionaire that needs the approval of others around them constantly and sees life as a popularity contest.
I’ve said it over and over. He cheats at golf so he has no self respect and no one should respect him.
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In reply to Post #1574
Sad demise?
You make it sound like he was a decent bloke who's gone downhill. This isn't the case. He got elected by telling racists it's ok to be racist, banging on about building walls and muslim bans, and threw a few gallons of petrol on the sad little fire that was the world of conspiracy theorists with the cobblers about Obama's birth certificate.
He was a self-obsessed buffoon when he won, and he's now a self-obsessed buffoon of a loser.
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In reply to Post #1575
So facts are now colouring to suit a bias? Okay then little buddy.
Tbh I’d say telling someone that they have a constant need to seek approval is an insult, especially when it’s very far from the truth.
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In reply to Post #1574
I haven't insulted you, not in my last post anyway, just said you colour to suit your bias. That's not an insult that's my opinion.
@Scozza. That's a good appraisal. The Americans got fed up with the same old politicians, tried someone new but his personality was just too OTT so they've ended up with another same old politician but this one is very old and doesn't like us very much
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I can’t understand why people are shocked if I’m honest, he has just brought to the top what was already there, a massive divide, the USA is a complete mess, too big too soon
Whilst I must admit some of his polices made total sense to me, on reflection the flip side of the coin is the controversy. He had an opportunity to make positive change and blew it like a complete amateur. One word, dictator, and dictators have one thing in common, they get overthrown
Sad demise really
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In reply to Post #1572
Funnily enough I’m not looking for anyone’s approval or to agree with me. I also agree with you. It’s their problem and it’s sad for them.
Me stating it is a terror attack or an attempted one, at least, is just a fact and maybe a knock on the head of those that are playing it down as if it was nothing.
You could have had the last word if your little insulting assumptions weren’t so far off base. You’re a lover of insulting then running away hoping people don’t defend themselves
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In reply to Post #1570
but i wont engage in your pathetic tit for tat tinhead
Good that will allow me to have the last word for a change.
The reason we will hardly agree on anything is our mindsets.
I see Trump as a bad loser and in desperation making a last attempt before he goes. In a few weeks time he'll be gone, for that reason I see it as America's problem and for them to deal with. When i talk to others they have a similar opinion, it shouldn't be happening but it is.
You on the other hand due to your hatred of Trump like to colour it to satisfy your own bias. That's up to you but don't expect a vast amount of forum members to suddenly appear on these threads and agree with you.
Thank you, I'm done
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| | | Jon | | Posts: 4271 | | |
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Unexploded IEDs? Maybe. There certainly weren't any uneaten hotdogs - did you see the state of them?
Did the three dead just keel over after heaving their massive fascist arses up all those steps?
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In reply to Post #1564
Because the people that stormed the Capitol were right wing white supremacists? the proud boys as they call themselves.
Just an observation about the attempted terror attack in the US. not that it will ever be reported as such due to western interpretations of a terrorist.
If you fancy reading solely about the UK a document called Terrorism in Great Britain: the statistics was published in March 2020 by Allen & Kirk-Wade. A briefing paper for the house of commons. Google it and you shall find it.
A direct quote from the document (page 25)
"in 2018/19, of those arrested for terrorism-related offences: 41% were reported as white, 36% of Asian appearance, 12% black and 10% other"
but i wont engage in your pathetic tit for tat tinhead. play that with yourself
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In reply to Post #1568
Good spot
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In reply to Post #1565
You mean team Biden
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In reply to Post #1565
Correct.
I'm interested in this data though, how it's been analysed and put together.
Actually thinking about I'm not interested at the moment just though it was strange that skin colour was mentioned.
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In reply to Post #1562
Did anyone attempt to detonate an IED.......was this on Sky news by any chance......
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1564
i think most of the IRA were white...
just saying
I'll stop stirring now
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In reply to Post #1562
Why have you felt the need to talk about skin colour, just take it for what it is, Trump going out with a bang.
Now you've mentioned it I haven't seen the data you talk of , does it break it down country by country, what's the colour of skin data for terrorists in the UK?
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In reply to Post #1560
It's been said before tinhead - Trump doesn't like going to war....
He'd rather create division and civil unrest - and incite violence in his own country to try and hang on to his deluded grasp at power. I don't see him calling for the military to quell this rioting / damage / death.
what was it he said last night? - that they are special people and he loves them...
listening to his 'supporters' on the news shows the mindset there - foreshadowing the UK post brexit maybe? let's hope not eh?
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They found undetonated IEDs on the rioters. Or should that be terrorists? Attempting to blow up US government officials counts as terrorism right? We all know, and the data proves, that the majority of terrorist attacks and incidents globally are carried out by white people.
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In reply to Post #1560
True Bob, pulled troops out of areas all over the world......I’m sure Biden will get them involved in **** that don’t concern them though!
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In reply to Post #1559
Yet under Trump the US has not had any wars or invaded anyone.
I'm not a Trump or Biden supporter by the way, Trump will be gone soon and the other one will be in.
I know what happens over there affects us but I 'm of the mind just let them get on with it at the moment, it's just Trumps last show of defiance in his last couple of weeks then we will see if Biden is any better.
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In reply to Post #1558
Yep , they have invaded numerous countries for less , propaganda gold dust for the likes of Russia and China who must be over the moon
Has he even fulfilled any of his promises to his deluded followers , hmmmmm , sounds familiar !
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If the United States saw what the United States is doing in the United States, the United States would invade the United States, to liberate the United States from the tyranny of the United States.
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In reply to Post #1556
Woooooahhhh. Hold up. If they were BLM protestors they’d actually be classed as rioters instead by trump and co.
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Blimey.
Can't help thinking if they were BLM protestors storming the Capitol, there would be stacks of dead bodies everywhere.
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In reply to Post #1554
Utter disgrace
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No difference between that maggot Trump and Jimmy Hoffa. What a disgrace he's turned the USA into.
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In reply to Post #1552
imagine this conversation...
Gavin - look Johnny! I've got you a lovely new bike helmet.
Johnny - but I haven't got a bike
Gavin - see! it's lovely and new and shiny!
Johnny - but I haven't got a bike
Gavin - enjoy! and don't forget to tell all your friends where you got your new helmet.
Johnny - but I haven't got a bike
Gavin - can't stop - I'm off to deliver a helmet to Sally next door
Johnny - but she hasn't ... oh, never mind. **** off Gavin
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In reply to Post #1550
If kids don't have access to a laptop they can go to school as they are classed as vulnerable , hows it working out with the spring promise, that every kid was going to get a laptop ?
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In reply to Post #1550
If anyone was in any doubt whether or not the American era as the world superpower was over , watch the news tonight !
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1549
hmmm - we've been advised that as 'public servants' the work from home guidance doesn't apply and the expectation is that we are in the building.
grey area... like my head!
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In reply to Post #1548
My missus says teachers in her school get a choice, they can do lessons from home or in the building. Depending on the subject some prefer to go in because it's easier.
Anyway enough about her school for today
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In reply to Post #1547
fair play to her
support staff / admin staff / TA's / SLT doing the testing appears to be a common theme.
I'm at home until the end of the week working online - I've noticed that my working day has become extended to just before midnight - although some of the stuff i did later on last night may have been a bit red wine enabled...
in school delivering 'live' online lessons from Monday. Not sure of the logic in saying we must be in the school building (and risk the school internet crashing due to constant use by 100+ teachers) rather than do the very same job from my table here, but it's government dictate so i won't look for any sense in it
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In reply to Post #1545
Forgot to say that the NEU said don't worry you'll still get full pay if you don't go in which must be tempting when you've been off the two weeks previous
My missus went in today to start testing staff, only 18 of them were in so time to get used to things, keyworker kids will be tested tomorrow
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In reply to Post #1545
My Mrs says her school is safe as can be with the bubbles they had formed before Christmas.......Government gives guidelines and Heads have to enforce i suppose.
bit of JP humour
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In reply to Post #1539
The NASUWT advice was a bit less vociferous but did state that staff shouldn't feel pressure to work in unsafe conditions.
But of course all schools are safe. Boris told just a couple of days ago.
I have very mixed feelings about the teacher unions. I've refused to strike in the past over teachers pensions as I only see the students suffering with that action. I do support their strengths in questioning this appalling education minister though.
He can **** off by the way
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In reply to Post #1543
Yeah, self isolating and bored......
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In reply to Post #1542
Feeding time again Wayne?
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Who gives a ****.......go to work, pay ya taxes and have a beer......
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In reply to Post #1540
If anyone believes they are impartial still they need to give their GP a ring ASAP for testing. Not been impartial for years. I mean, question time rarely has non-Tory audiences which says a lot!
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In reply to Post #1539
Whilst we are on the subject of bias ,the new bbc chairman Richard Sharp has donated over £400 000 to the Tory party , don't you just love a bit of impartiality !
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In reply to Post #1538
As my missus is a Teaching Assistant I listened to all of that 2nd link and it reminded me of a NEU zoom meeting on Sunday she was on. As it was on loudspeaker I heard what was being said and it seemed to me they were heavily politically pressurising people to go against the government and deem their workplace unsafe and refuse to attend. They were liking it to construction workers refusing to work on unsafe building sites
Doesn’t matter now seeing there’s a lockdown but it made me think whether the NEU is more interested in causing political trouble than educating kids.
If like the unions you don’t like the current government it must make it difficult to think with an unbiased head.
My missus went on a Covid testing training day yesterday. She's keen to start test the kids but they are all at home playing Playstation
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Explanation of the temporary Talk Radio Youtube ban, don't question anything...LINK
The offending interview LINK
As one of the comments on Youtube states:
'I think they got offended at being called Corbynista's and then relegating their position in society below shop workers must have blown their minds..'
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Who gets to govern the media and what is their agenda ???
link.
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In reply to Post #1534
it's fake news, its a fake recording.........Yep....
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Assange , not to be extradited , yet !
And here's the irony ' the US has 15 days to appeal. Making it January 19th. Biden becomes potus the following day at noon. It was Biden's 1994 crime bill that created the very mass incarceration system that the judge won't extradite Assange too !
This was a face saving exercise for the uk as if the case was to reach the high court , which it would of under appeal , it would of been a high profile event and the embarrassing more than questionable evidence would of been widely reported !
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In reply to Post #1533
no doubt Wayne will be in here with the "it's fake news, its a fake recording" crap that the american trump supporters are already spouting.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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So Trump tries to cheat the result in Georgia with threats and lies...
Hardly surprising given his track record but utterly disgraceful nonetheless.
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In reply to Post #1529
Replying to what suits your thoughts.......classic.......
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In reply to Post #1530
Sold down the river springs to mind Mr goose
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In reply to Post #1529
Doing a Terry.
Still searching.
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In reply to Post #1527
I replied to things of relevance , you seem to of not been able to reply as you couldn't find a copy n paste to suite !
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In reply to Post #1522
Concessions made by both sides
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Way before that post spanky!
Of course I read it.......seems you didn’t as still haven’t replied to each point......
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In reply to Post #1525
Did you really read it first especially this bit , do my eyes deceive me , this is what you think will happen , really !
More accountable political system. Direct Parliamentary accountability. Politicians no longer hiding behind EU rules.
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In reply to Post #1524
You sticking by what you said , or the "copy n paste" that made you all warm n fuzzy !
Just for you spanky...........Oh and Jon who is still talking to his dog!!!!
We are taking back control of borders with a points based system of immigration so no more scrounging ****ers bleed us dry.
We can start making our own laws and regulations to match.
A British regulatory framework will be able to better exploit the fourth industrial revolution and avoid EU protectionism.
Controlling trade policy, leading to new and better agreements such as the Japan FTA and joining the CPTPP.
An independent sanctions and human rights regime separate to and more progressive than the EU’s.
Taking back control of fishing waters and exclusive economic zone.
Replacing the wasteful anti-environmental Common Agricultural Policy.
More accountable political system. Direct Parliamentary accountability. Politicians no longer hiding behind EU rules.
A new state aid regime that is responsive and in keeping with free market principles, but also that support the agenda of levelling up.
New freeports.
Taking back control of the £20 billion currently controlled by the EU every year to spend on UK priorities instead of a big piss up for Merkel and her mates.
Happy days.....Boris and Nige were spot o
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In reply to Post #1523
Look back further than that and you will see I said it........
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In reply to Post #1522
Cheers Wayne , kind of what was said about 3 weeks ago in the "end is nigh "
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Surprise surprise an oven ready trade deal is secured........wonder what concessions have been made by both sides......
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In reply to Post #1520
or his brother.
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In reply to Post #1519
It reminded me of Jerzei Balowski
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1516
Can't argue with that too much
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In reply to Post #1517
yeh. we all get a mention.
personally, for me, it's the media. too powerful and too rich.
they put a Govt in and then trash them for sales and clicks. so they are scared to do anything except make the very powerful more powerful. and to show both sides. So did Blair.
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In reply to Post #1516
Unbiased as everyone gets a mention.
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In reply to Post #1514
I think Boris and his whole 'saving Christmas ' schtick says all we need to know.
About the govt ( shouldn't have promised it so near the top of an infection curve)
about the press ( bitching and moaning about Xmas and digging them out about U turns)
about us ( majority voting for a cartoon panel show proven liar and rogue)
about the opposition ( for being so **** that the Cons looked better.)
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In reply to Post #1514
From where I'm sitting It looks to me all of your neutrality has gone out of the window and you've taken on an unhippy bias
You probably think I'm biased in the other direction so lets leave it there. Peace and love man
BTW I imagined Neil's voice
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1512
No not at all. I'm the last person who'd be a covid denier after it affecting my family.
But...
I think the response has been appalling and it's becoming the norm now for a government who appear to be sponsored by lastminute.com
I take on board what you have said often about uncharted territory and all, but the response is getting poorer rather than better and this has undermined any government decision going forward. It's a mess and I have no faith in this lot to actually protect people anymore. It's easy to blame Macron for the border closure, but if this virus variant is so much more contagious then OUR government should have imposed travel bans for the safety of others.
The mantra of following the science - that at least made some sense - has been replaced by weak attempts at popularity seeking, passing off responsibility and disjointed and contradictory policy.
IMHO of course.
If it helps... read the above with Marvin's voice narrating.
Peace and love tinhead.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #1508
I told you macron was a ****.
Although I reckon all these drivers crossing the channel should have had a test to start with.
Not that it’ll help.. I’m in tier 4 London as you know, the local supermarket, and I mean a SUPERmarket.. is absolutely full with a couple of random parking spots. There’s snotty noses hanging over stained old single use surgical masks, grubby little kids rummaging through all the food on the shelves, the man dem who ain’t wearing no mask, licking fingers to open carrier bags and touching the same spot of the screen as everyone else.. it’s all here
If this covid 2.0 is as easily transmitted as they say we won’t need a vaccine round here because us ****s have probably all got it
I digress, **** the french.. as you were
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In reply to Post #1511
So you think this new variant is a lie?
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In reply to Post #1510
Hippy values firmly in place tinhead.
My dad was a lorry driver so my sympathies lie with the individuals in the cabs. And there will be as many British lads in that car park as EU. The only difference is that the Brits get paid by the hour where the EU lads get paid by the mile so you can understand one set of drivers being more frustrated.
It's yet another example of boris and his bus. From standing in front of it plastered in lies to now throwing another set of workers under it...
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In reply to Post #1508
Where's your hippy values, I would've thought you'd approve of not the spreading the virus.
I say let them go back into their own countries and spread Covid , get their infections rates up to deflect from our own
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In reply to Post #1508
Yes, they appear to be absolutely livid with Macron for shutting their border in an act of Brexit spite! Shame they weren't so quick in 1940!
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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So...
Kent is a lorry park. First time Boris has managed to get us ahead if the curve. This wasn't supposed to happen until after December 31st....
Really feel for the hauliers. They must be furious and / or just bloody desperate
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There are a few people getting very rich at the expense of the majority and they don't live in Bolton !
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In reply to Post #1505
Don't be so paranoid it's just a bloke out for fishing for the day.
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Gutted , whilst fishing rivers , i have prepared and baited certain swims to catch my quarry for months ,yet today, the slipperiest of turds past under my nose without warning !
Be on your guard for the unannounced covert visit from your opportunist scumbag bent as a brexit banana Tory PM !
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In reply to Post #1503
I really am
#i think that the truth of it all will likely fall between my rant and Mrs Tinhead's pragmatism - what is doable in one school will be very problematic in another. and of course we will 'get on with' whatever we can - it's what teachers do.
There's no way I'm going to argue with your good lady as she deserves nothing but respect for putting up with you on a daily basis.
Gavin Williamson can still **** off though...
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In reply to Post #1502
This is what she says
Test areas need to be covid secure.
A room is designated that has adequate ventilation.. Poles, barriers and PPE already exist. After each student leaves anything used such as desks/chairs are wiped down.
People need to be trained or the tests will be invalid.
A days training has been organised
Schools need to give over a 'large ventilated space ' which they need to find out of nowhere.
Not a problem, Just get on with it.
Child protection laws necessitate that adults on site must be dbs checked.
They are already. They don't think they'll need to bring in people from outside the school.
She added this is a war on covid, in wars everyone has to do their bit , you don't win by throwing in the towel and say its too difficult
Oh and you are a drama queen
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In reply to Post #1501
Drama queen is about right.
And I am 100 per cent certain that Mrs tinhead would be a better education secretary than Williamson
Did I mention that he can **** off?
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In reply to Post #1500
Drama queen.
Let's be safe and just close the schools down and let them go uneducated?
When my missus gets in I'll put them points to her
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In reply to Post #1499
The logistics of it are ridiculous with 3 hours to plan it (we finish at mid day) if your school is not already closed for the break that is.
There's no 'just getting on with it'
Test areas need to be covid secure. People need to be trained or the tests will be invalid. Schools need to give over a 'large ventilated space ' which they need to find out of nowhere. Child protection laws necessitate that adults on site must be dbs checked. Earlier this week Williamson threatened legal action if schools closed early to combat rising figures. Now on the last day of term he's deciding to keep the majority of kids off for a week. He doesn't even realise that it's not just y11 and y13 students who will have formal exams this year ffs. You'd have thought the education minister would know that eh? He suggests buying in supply staff to help when school money is gone on the extra cleaning and ppe we've needed to keep open. He also suggests retired teachers could do it. Yes. Let's bring high risk individuals into the most risky environment.
I'm only just getting started. But I'll stop.
He can **** off though
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In reply to Post #1494
What's wrong with staggering the return to school?
As for the testing my missus has been approached to do this at her school, not a problem for her she'll just get on with it.
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In reply to Post #1497
Then I suggest we remove ‘personality’ from the honour. This bloke is a half wit goon with as much personality as his cauliflower ears have got. Great example were setting our kids putting a cage fighter on the highest sporting pedestal of media recognition
Thought he’d take his money and **** off after he cuddled C. McBellend to submission, and yet here is his irritating face again
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In reply to Post #1496
Apparently it’s all based on sporting achievement only. Have you seen Tyson Fury is taking legal action after they refused to take him off the shortlist?
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In reply to Post #1495
He may play for united, but is Marcus Rashford, for example, not considered a sportsman?
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Somehow this is considered as the personality of 2020 in sport
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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oh
and Gavin Williamson can **** off
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55348886
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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Rees-Mogg
https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/17/jacob-rees-mogg-accuses-unicef-of-playing-politics-with-uk-campaign-13767498/?ito=push-notification&ci=60955&si=9412819
‘a political stunt of the lowest order’ ....
almost an accurate description of himself there...
I know we teachers shouldn't single out individuals, but in a House full of total lowlifes, he really is exceptional. he's a vile little slug
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In reply to Post #1491
... but still enough to **** everything right up?
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In reply to Post #1488
26.5% of the population, 52% of voters maybe.
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In reply to Post #1489
Good nightlife and ruin bars though
Monuments washing their hands of how they surrendered the Jews in WW2
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In reply to Post #1487
And yet they allow vampires... seriously messed up values that place
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In reply to Post #1487
I wouldn't be surprised if around 52% of the British population thought the Hungarian government were spot on tbh.
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So Hungary has banned gay couples and individuals from adopting children with new laws passed today/last night.
I wonder where the “the EU control all our laws” merchants are going to turn now because I’m pretty sure the EU as a collective would have let this pass had they had control would they now.
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Over 100 years ago whilst the "Spanish flu " was doing the rounds , some Countries made it mandatory to wear face masks !
I can't understand the idiots ideology that "they are making us subservient "what , by wearing a mask ! or is it just laziness ,or maybe a lack of respect for others , would be interesting to know the impact if taken seriously by politicians and the public but i suppose we would of had to of taken them seriously first !
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In reply to Post #1483
There's a 20 mph speed limit outside my school which is there to save lives. Maybe we should just remove it and ask people to be personally responsible for driving safely eh?
If you hit someone at 20mph you will still hurt them. If you were going 40mph you’d have gone past before they ever stepped in the road. So technically it’s safer to go faster
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I think that we are close to the end of Coronavirus , hopefully a warm spring , like last year alongside a certain amount of herd immunity and the vaccine will bring it to an end , lets just hope that there are no nasty mutations on the horizon .
Be a shame to hospitalize granddad and granny or even kill em when the end is in sight
2 friends of mine have had relatives die of coronavirus in the last week , both in their 50's , one with no known underlying conditions , so , best avoided !
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In reply to Post #1481
Unfortunately I think you're right.
It's pathetic really. The party line is that people should be personally responsible - when overwhelming evidence shows they can't be trusted to be.
The medical profession is telling us that this WILL cost lives. But the government are so concerned with the popular vote that they're ignoring this and passing the buck again.
There's a 20 mph speed limit outside my school which is there to save lives. Maybe we should just remove it and ask people to be personally responsible for driving safely eh?
Yougov poll has 57 per cent in favour of scrapping the 5 day plans. That's a higher percentage than voted for the farce that is Brexit
And if I hear Mariah sodding Carey one more time I might kick someone
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In reply to Post #1481
I’ve seen plenty of people on Facebook who spent months saying how we all need to follow the rules and berating anyone that went too close to them and whatever. Staunch “don’t leave your house” merchants that are now posting about how they can’t wait to spend Christmas with their family and don’t care if it brings another lockdown in January.
Some of them aren’t even BoJo sheeple either which confuses me. I’d understand it if they really thought he was saving Christmas for them as he is the messiah.
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In reply to Post #1480
I don't think it matters what the official line will be, many will do what they want anyway and I can't see it be easily enforceable, all you can do is advice people.
Whatever they decide the media will find fault and will be out getting their personal sob stories from the public, you know the ones, the ones that have a unique set of circumstances that no one can satisfy. Awkward ****ers
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In reply to Post #1479
Medical professionals for me tinhead.
Saying this could be granny's last Christmas doesn't carry so well if your actions could be the catalyst for making that true....
9 months work down the pan for the sake of 5 days doesn't do it for me.
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In reply to Post #1476
Whatever they do on that one will be wrong.
What's your view, take a chance and have a good Christmas or take the advice of the medical profession and not?
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In reply to Post #1467
Sadly i believe you are right. corbyns leadership was at the wrong time. Give it a year from now and many people that thought they were conservative will be begging for a more compassionate Govt.
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What we are not being told regarding uk fishing quotas and who owns them
link.
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I suspect a few u turns From Boris the buffoon and co regarding Christmas families meeting and brexit !
What a shi* show
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In reply to Post #1474
Kettle, pot, black........
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In reply to Post #1471
Self confessed bullsh**er wonders why he isn't treated seriously !
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In reply to Post #1469
Never tried the Columbian marching powder , the toilets in parliament were tested a few years ago for the white stuff and the majority were positive !
We are now entering a very dangerous time for our economy multiplied with this lot in charge , i reckon before a turn around , we will be around £3.5 trillion in debt , besides brexit , which , by our governments own economists is about to wipe another 4 % off our gdp , all of our fishermen could of retired many times over with a fraction of that amount .
The conversation we should all be having is , make a list of what is important to you and how do we attain it ?
Before you can even start any economic plan , there has to be a certain amount of trust between the government and the masses ,this lot and their backers have trampled all over that , a step in the right direction would be , a politician should have only one source of income , by law !
The contempt that this lot must have for us is off the scale , the size of the lies which they know that we know are lies and they are daily , it boils my pi** ,and we have years of this to come probably decades ,
I reckon i could knock up a guillotine in a couple of days !
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In reply to Post #1471
Was that when you were saying Donald's going to walk it and the EU are going to cave in and give the UK a brilliant deal?
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In reply to Post #1467
Spanky, I’m fairly sure many months ago I said corporations and banks run the world.......I’m pretty sure you told me it was all a far out conspiracy......make your ****ing mind up......
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In reply to Post #1469
I'm inclined to agree.
When there are companies with greater financial power than countries then political integrity goes out of the window. Although that doesn't mean we shouldn't hold the feckers to account.
Ministers experienced in their area of responsibility would be a very welcome change speaking from experience in the education system. ...
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In reply to Post #1467
I misread the first line, was about to say I’ve sucked up sufficient powder for the entire nation
Thing is we don’t produce much of note anymore, the unions supposedly defend what workers we have and the benefit system is a mess. Which is making labour more and more obsolete and forcing them down the corporate route just to stay afloat. So the opposition can only really oppose for oppositions sake to stay relevant.
A coalition would be the ideal situation with ministers experienced in their relevant fields and with a desire to actually represent the people rather than themselves or their boss.
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Going unreported at the moment , unsurprisingly , is the war between the left and right in the Labour party , up and down the country , local Labour party's are returning votes of "no confidence " in Starmer ,as he tries to purge the party of anyone with "left wing " ideology , aligned with Corbyn's , having an opposition party who are searching for backing , not from the unions but from the corporations will never end well for the employed masses !
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In reply to Post #1466
Our system now is broken , if you don't tow the line , as in suck up to corporate power , which will entitle you to positive press and media coverage , you will get nowhere , it's a miracle that Corbyn got within a few thousand votes of winning in 2017 , the press and media have been so corrupted now , a process that has been going on for decades which is becoming unsustainable hopefully , but the void that is left , as the trust in government and media plummets has been filled by all sorts of idiots . Wayne eagerly confirms this on a daily basis , thank's Wayne !
The chances of electing anyone as our PM who wants what is best for the masses is over now , it's become a gang rape of the countries and tax payers assets where an honest politician is no longer welcome in the inner circle of the PM ! they do it in plain sight now !
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In reply to Post #1465
Yes if you want to benefit the masses of Islington it will be tough.
He didn’t have real core labour values deep down, hence the internal split.
I stand by the suggestion you should get involved, labour are screaming out for.. well.. people that have actually had a job.
I should technically be a labour voter but I can’t bring myself to do it
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In reply to Post #1462
Someone has to keep you lot informed !
I watched Corbyn being smeared mercilessly as soon as he became opposition leader , if you want to benefit the masses at the expense of those with influence and power it's going to be tough and after the scare that they had with Corbyn they are taking measures to ensure that it does not happen again ,
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In reply to Post #1459
You quote 97 then stumble and jump into 2003
no stumbling Notalot and shows you dont knowalot neither, It was a 6 year **** show, then continued further in the middle east........plenty of countries dragged into it on promise of finding WMD yet all they found was oil and gold.....similar to poor old Libya and Syria........
Spanky knows all the crimes committed by Government yet no evidence to show........Sure thats what they call a conspiracy........
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In reply to Post #1462
Hear! hear!
Although to be honest I switched off a while back.
No malice intended, goodwill to all men especially in such a difficult year
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In reply to Post #1461
If you are so informed on the nationwide corruption and obviously have so many better ideas... why not dip your toe into the pool of politics yourself?
Then you will have less time to spout ******** on here
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In reply to Post #1457
Yes , we are on a slippery slope , mostly going under the radar !
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1456
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In reply to Post #1454
You quote 97 then stumble and jump into 2003.You do know there was around 50 sovereign nations armed forces involved in Iraq 2003-2011 don't you. Including Australia, New Zealand, Holland, Poland, South Korea, Italy etc etc.
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In reply to Post #1456
Yep.......although Boris should be knighted for his services to this country........
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #1455
1984 is the closest reflection of reality we have sadly.
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In reply to Post #1455
Great news I think we can all agree with that
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MPs 3 grand pay rise scrapped by the independent body that oversees it as it doesn't reflect reality.
Absolutely right.
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In reply to Post #1453
Was it hell put in place, Labour were to busy spending our cash on G W bull****ter And his phoney witch hunt in the Middle East.......
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In reply to Post #1452
He's saying it was put in place, so as usual yes you are wrong.
Pity you didn't follow your own advice at any point in the last 47 years
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In reply to Post #1451
Are you saying I’m wrong that allowing 5 million extra people into the country didn’t require serious infrastructure funding for hospitals, school etc.......you really are blinkered and see only what you want to see On a daily basis along with the dog whisperer.......
You would be best emigrating from the UK as you clearly hate the way it’s run.......
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In reply to Post #1450
Silly silly Wayne , as i mentioned yesterday , EU migrants have put 34% more into the economy than they have taken out ,
That means they made the government a profit , under Labour the NHS's saw an increase in expenditure of 6% per year , under the Tory's it's around 1.3 % which equates to a cut
Why not do some research ,
putting your foot in your mouth is a daily event for you , it's getting boring correcting your bull**it
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In reply to Post #1449
Doesnt help the fact investment should have been ramped up from 97 when 5 million extra residents started arriving on the shores of the UK..........
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In reply to Post #1448
Our NHS led the world , but that was a long time ago , the systematic lack of investment and selling off has left it in peril , a lot of our economic comparable EU neighbours have a far better health service now sadly !
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In reply to Post #1446
Not seen that, sounds like good news. I hope that is a fact and it stays that way
These conservatives ****s would ditch that today if they could get away with it
About one of the only things left that makes us great
Tell you what they will try and do the Conservative party, they will use Covid19 and a bit of Brexit to try and justify their claim to privatise the NHS and let all the big American companies rip it to bits $. History repeats itself, it’s their get out clause every time, same as they have always done, sell it off, ****ing useless ****s
Out with them, and off with their heads
Anybody who votes for them on face value seriously needs to look at their track record, utter rubbish
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Just seen Johnson in Brussels on the news.
He's gone from charismatic bull*****er to embarrassing Benny Hill tribute act in 18 months.
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Thank f*** for that !
Boris Johnson suffered a string of defeats in the House of Lords after peers backed a move to protect the NHS in a trade deal.
The new law would ban any trade deal that “undermined” the NHS’s ability to provide free services or control drug prices.
Anti-privatisation campaigners hailed the late-night 233-143 vote, backed by Labour, the Lib Dems and Crossbenchers, after more than 300,000 people signed a petition in favour.
But it could lead to a showdown in the House of Commons - after Tory ministers vowed to oppose the amendment on protecting the NHS.
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In reply to Post #1444
But with the whole world watching, a virus which can prey on the obese and one of the world’s worst death rates... why have lard arse on the press release
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In reply to Post #1440
Whoever cracks it properly remains to be seen, what is certain is it'll be the next economic revolution so we need to be at the top of the league.
#Bloke from Stoke interesting article, £10 million investment compared to the Chinese investment of £10 Billion.
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I was beginning to get worried about the roll out of the virus because of the low temperature that it needs to be stored at , luckily Matted Wan*sock has got a mate who has the necessary storage facilities and has ticked on the boxes required by Boris and co , Mr Whippy said , ive been doing this kind of thing for years and fully deserve the £5 billion pound contract !
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In reply to Post #1440
https://www.insider.co.uk/news/university-edinburgh-joins-10m-consortium-22620481
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In reply to Post #1439
Interesting, quite a while ago now I watched a program on the subject, can’t remember where now?
I believe the Brits were leading the way?
Read a bit on this too. If the truth be know I think lot will be far more advanced than we know
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In reply to Post #1437
Working quantum computing? It's the holy grail if you fancy a bit of world domination.
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In reply to Post #1436
I have 2 questions
1 - do you have to click on all the squares with bridges / tractors / roadsigns in to be able to use it?
2 - can you still delete search history (asking for a friend...)
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In reply to Post #1436
Where did you read that?
I believe it’s been around a while?
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So the Chinese claim to have won the race to develop quantum computing supremacy. They've been using quantum encryption for a couple of years and now claim to have an operational quantum device that's 10 billion times faster than any US machine. Game changer if you need to answer complex questions in seconds rather than decades on viruses, economics war strategy etc.
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In reply to Post #1434
Does not surprise me that Mal
I think it’s pretty **** that shopping centres can be open and subjected to mass overcrowding but restaurants and bars who have spent thousands of pounds to do their best to enable social distancing cannot
I went out a couple of times for some food prior to the recent tier system and they had done a brilliant job, felt totally safe myself
Would I go to a shopping centre, certainly not, absolute last resort
One word. ****
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13397048/four-arrested-breaking-covid-rules-hundreds-teens-harrods/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly
Makes you proud doesn't it...?
don't tell scozza - it's like Meadowhall all over again!
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Another story's absence that should be questioned , the largest strike that the world has ever seen 250 million people against the populist Modi ,neoliberalism and inequality !
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In reply to Post #1431
He's a scoucer , Toty's hate scoucers you plumb ! managed decline n all that !
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In reply to Post #1430
Doesn't make it right but it goes on everywhere and at every level. a FOI proves my local mayor is a naughty boy. Let's see if he's part of 'The Club'
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In reply to Post #1428
You should look up "Bill Browder" and his attempts to expose Russian oligarchs when he was giving expert testimony to a select panel of MP's and 2 years later to another panel an intelligence and security panel , certain things were struck from the record , mainly the British peers and their companies .
While you are at it look up illegal shell companies , how to launder money , it is now encouraged in this country , yes you read it correctly , encouraged !
And i'm sure that there could and should be charges brought against Boris and his fu**wits from what i have seen read and witnessed !
so , with regard to this bent fu**er that you mention , looks like he does not fit in with the rest of the "bent bast***s" for one reason or another !
If your in the club you can get away with murder , and they regularly do !
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In reply to Post #1428
given his recent love-in with Boris I wouldn't be surprised if it all went away.....
or am i just cynical?
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In reply to Post #1427
It's ok we are shaking the magic money tree and money just keeps falling and falling.
What about the Liverpool corruption, bribery and witness corruption? Tut, tut.
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We need to start getting things right , and soon , our national debt is now over £2 trillion , i am expecting it to hit £ 3 trillion before we turn the covid corner , i don't really care who does it , labour or tory , the economic disaster is going to saddle at least two generations with life changing levels of debt , the poor sods !
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In reply to Post #1421
Bell end is about right
He probably said it to try and divert attention from the education announcement which doesn't do the job needed and will just highlight the divide that covid has made worse...
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In reply to Post #1421
It was awful. Childish really. The sort of thing that gets you hated at school. Thank God for America right now. Taking a bit of the focus away from our godawful populism
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In reply to Post #1423
Yet again they jump in and self promote with world beating, Blah Blah Blah, the MSM will be waiting for the first person who has the vaccine to have a headache, toothache or the runs, so they can slam it and the anti vaxxers will be straight on it1
The Americans won't certify it until Trump has gone (Jan 2021) and Europe will wait to announce it as one.
Hopefully the more usable and deliverable Oxford/Astrazeneca wont far behind and being not for profit so won't sit well with America!
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In reply to Post #1421
That speech is the cherry on top of the tory "bell end " covid response cake
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In reply to Post #1420
Since when has the question had any influence on a politician's answer?
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In reply to Post #1419
While it was a bit crass, had he waited a month or so we may well have had our own vaccine that negates transport issues, will be available in bigger volumes and costs a pittance in comparison to the Pfizer offering.
Surely we can blow the national trumpet when that happens?
I was listening to it in the morning though and thought at the time ‘my god, what a bell end’
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In reply to Post #1419
I understand what you're getting at but the question was a Brexit question (which he unsurprisingly avoided) and not who do we thank for the vaccine.
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In reply to Post #1418
That the great vaccine news was the result of a global effort which involved German scientists, an American pharma giant, Belgian manufacturers and the British licensing authority, that would have been useless without the first 3?
Or just anything that doesn't make every other country fall about laughing and pointing, asking 'and this bloke's a cabinet minister, really?'
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In reply to Post #1417
You two seem shocked.
What did you expect him to say?
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In reply to Post #1416
FFS ... is that what grades he got at A level?
It might explain why he has no idea when it comes to the education system. ...
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Gavin Williamson .... FFS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdnUlgbVCo8
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In reply to Post #1414
More chance of sheep piss as it doesn't have to be stored at -70
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In reply to Post #1413
If it means we can start getting back to normal they can pump me full of sheeps piss.
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Vaccine all ready to go........Enjoy people......
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In reply to Post #1411
I can already hear the farage supporters complaining about 'foreign food' ...
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The government has declared that a ‘scotch egg’ will count as a substantial meal during Tier 2 and 3 lockdowns, following a sizeable donation to the Tory party by a mysterious Scotch Egg oligarch.
The unidentified businessman is one of a handful of shady characters who are said to control 95% of the Scotch Egg industry across Europe.
Political analyst Simon Williams told us, “I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the government has made the Scotch Egg the nation’s go-to pub snack just days after a massive donation from these people.
“Politics is rife with corruption, and there is no industry more corrupt than the Scotch Egg producers. You do not want to cross them, those that do often find themselves minced and squashed around a hard-boiled egg. I’m risking everything by calling them out in public like this.”
Meanwhile, government officials have completely rejected suggestions that the policy change has anything to do with how much money someone has donated to the party.
A Downing Street official told us, “People will always make accusations of corruption whenever they see a business doing well, and just because loads of our friends and donors have become overnight multi-millionaires off the back of a few lucrative PPE contracts, doesn’t mean we’re going to start doing favours in return for party donations.
“But I will say this; if the Cornish Pasty industry wants its leading product to be recognised as a substantial meal during the lockdown, my door, and my party’s bank account, are always open.”
A C
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In reply to Post #1409
Out with the populist idiot ,back to the neocons choice again and the interventionist policies which i'm sure we will be dragged into ,,, again , resulting in increase terrorism in the uk ,,, again !!
Hopefully we will be seeing the back of our populist idiot soon , jeeez , the possibility of having a "sacked for treachery " pm in Priti Patel !
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In reply to Post #1407
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Trump pays for a recount in Wisconsin. It uncovers a load of uncounted votes for Biden. Brilliant
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In reply to Post #1405
Good idea, but do it alone.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1241/5908276
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In reply to Post #1404
On certain days, I find singing the chorus over and over like a mantra is very therapeutic, try it
LINK
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In reply to Post #1398
Tier 3 for us! The whole of Kent because of 3 areas!
They shouldn't have put the whole of Kent in for this its unfair and the bug doesn't appear to be moving outside of these 3 areas. I live in the hotspot of Swale and there is no explanation of whose got it and where. It appears to be mainly on the Isle of Sheppey, this has 2 prisons on it and I wonder whether its this causing the rise.
Shutting down the whole of Kent is a political move to show the North they aren't forgotten or singled out!
I see Boris has come out of hiding again, no reason after negative test he couldn't have emerged into the light to face scrutiny! ****!
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In reply to Post #1402
all very fair points
i just needed to vent
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In reply to Post #1401
You're missing the point the IPSA awarded the pay rise it wasn't the MP's awarding it to themselves.
Don't get me wrong I don't think they deserve anything, they should be the last in the queue to get a pay rise, they are lucky still to have jobs.
All this pay award thing or lack of it shouldn't come as a surprise though. It's a case of if you still have a job you are lucky and for many the reality of sitting at home doing **** all and getting 80% pay people was fine for most people but now the realisation is many no longer have jobs and those with jobs will now have to pay for it. I think Noj pointed this out the other day.
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In reply to Post #1390
only 52 of them....?
to be fair it's more than I expected from the bunch of worms.
Meanwhile - a bit of fact checking for Rishi...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/55089900
calculating average pay disparity during the furlough period...
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In reply to Post #1396
Yeah ok I've got a bit of a cough but I'm sure I can make it
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In reply to Post #1396
Good for you ken
Tier 3 for us. No surprise there.
You ready for the influx of 2nd homers down there? I'm sure Gordon ramsay is revving up the range rover already...
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In reply to Post #1395
Ta-daaaa
In reply to post #1396
Cheers Ken, have a couple for us less fortunate folk!
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TIER 1, Baby! Anyone facny a pint!
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In reply to Post #1394
About time with the foreign aid.......sending money to countries with nukes and space programs FFS......
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In reply to Post #1392
Had a read to educate myself, Good education, Goldsmiths for 3 years as a graduate analyst before leaving and working for The children’s investment fund management. That made me laugh, it’s account is offshore in the Caymen islands and he became a partner, nuff said, perfect criteria to be a politician in the U.K.
Hopped skipped and jumped and now works for the father in law. Successful in his field though, can’t knock that. The question is, would he be successful as a leader mmmmmm
Investment banker, maybe he would be a good addition to the team, he has just saved 2% on foreign aid. I’m sure they can liquidise a lot more before they have done. Saying that, is there much more that the conservatives can **** up? Has to be the privatisation of the NHS soon!
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In reply to Post #1392
Should've got Diane Abbott to do the numbers
That usually produces a bite
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In reply to Post #1391
I know where you’re coming from mate, but he has worked for Goldman Sachs and partnered/run investment companies with £00’s of million portfolios.
That’s why he is chancellor and not business secretary, who has also made some coin in his time but I don’t know much about him
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In reply to Post #1389
Running a business is about success and failure and the critical decisions made dictates this. Loads fall by the wayside, some succeed, the successful ones are that for a reason, they are good at what they do, they often progress and do the same again and again. That’s the type of person I would like to see in charge of the county, not some over educated **** wit who has got virtually zero experience or track record of success
Decisions are decision made around the data in front of you or collected, same as the country’s cash pot, where do you want to apportion it?
And this is what I do not like about politicians, spouting **** to gain votes, they should have a defined policy and should be held accountable, separates the men from the boys.
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In reply to Post #1386
Just one point about the MP's pay rise. LINK
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In reply to Post #1388
Sunak is a money man who made his dough in the city, he knows a pound note.
The cutting of ‘foreign aid’ and sudden drive for robots and rockets is just one of the smokescreens for injecting some scraps back into the system for the plebs to squabble over and keep the books afloat.
Accountants will be accountants and numbers will be fiddled
Running a business is easy because you can choose the staff, running a country is impossible because of the ****s you get lumbered with
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In reply to Post #1386
It’s no surprise to me Mal, typical conservative policy
Let’s see what they can sell off next to top up the cash pot, it’s coming, useless ****s
Nothing but a bunch of ****ing monkeys the lot of them, an embarrassment to watch, I saw them all patting that ****ing dimwit Sunak the other day like a bunch of kids, ****ing clowns
This is why we need somebody with some proper business intelligence running this country and not a bunch of muppets.
Look at the wider picture, offshore banking, corporate tax fiddles, major crime, overpaid CEO’s who are failing! some easy trillions there for starters, not to mention invested interests!!! Which should not be allowed for anybody in politics, biased decisions!!!
In a business you are responsible and accountable, there is absolutely no consequences for these fools and it is just one **** up after another. Get the right man, pay him what he is worth based on performance. I wouldn’t pay these MPs in mouldy dog turds, they are failing this country and the people, it’s criminal
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Got to love Rishi and the Cons......
In other more important news........I can’t believe maradona has died.........I loved her song “like a virgin”......
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****ing disgrace
the overseas aid cut - from 0.7% to 0.5% - in real terms amounts to a 28.5% cut in the amount of aid received by some of the poorest countries in the world, IF our GDP remained the same (which it won't, so the actual cut will be even greater).
It's estimated that it will save around 4 to 5 £billion. a week after Boris says he'll spend £16.5 billion on a ****ing space programme and Artificial Intelligence. because that's what the country is crying out for right now. ****ing rockets and robots! it's also less than the £10 billion extra that UK taxpayers will be paying because they failed to properly prepare with PPE resources and there are 4000 containers of the stuff still on a dockside in Felixstowe...
unless nobody noticed, the covid pandemic is affecting all countries and cutting aid to the poorest in the midst of it is shameful.
but it's easy / lazy devisive politics isn't it? why should we help 'them' instead of 'our own'? that brexit mentality will see us through eh?
then in the next breath - freeze public sector pay because 'it's not fair' to private sector workers who will have less because of covid... so those with 'more' should be supporting those with 'less'....? hypocrisy much? want to apply that argument to overseas aid? (by the way, I missed the part where the loss of private sector income / jobs was the fault of public sector workers...)
it's ok though because those NHS workers who earn less than £24,000 per year (before tax and NI and without subsidised meals and expenses claims) will get a whopping £250 pay rise. Don't spend it all at once now. It might cover the parking charges at the hospital you work at for a few weeks eh? and his justification is that it is to 'protect jobs'. so private sector bosses won't go ahead with their planned staff cuts because the Police aren't getting a pay rise? ********.
and the 'living wage' (let's see you live on it Rishi) is being increased by 19p per hour. whoop de ****ing do.
by comparison, MP's have awarded themselves a £3300 pay rise from April (that's when the latest furlough scheme ends and unemployment will hit record highs btw)
19p per hour - on a 40 hour week, it would take you over 8 years to earn what Boris, Rishi and co will get in one year as a reward for their piss poor governance. that's of course if you can find a living wage job after April next year...
It'll take those lucky NHS workers over 13 years to make up that one year figure. if they don't catch the virus in the meantime of course.
absolute ****ing joke the lot of them
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Aid
An insight as to where our "hard earned " goes , if anyone thinks a decent percentage of this money goes into helping the needy they are very misguided , it's not called boomerang investment for nothing
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In reply to Post #1383
Can anyone stop these clocks?
https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html
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In reply to Post #1381
It's gone from 0.7 to 0.5% of GDP.
It would have dropped a lot anyway, with the fall in GDP, now it'll be even less.
Lots of experts think it was money well spent in terms of promoting exports and exerting soft influence around the world, as well as just being seen as the good guys.
But like the statistics that clearly showed EU immigrants put more into the system than they ever took out, why would the Tories let facts get in the way of an opportunity to get the racists on side?
Maybe they genuinely can't afford to give a few quid to the world's poorest while shovelling millions to their mates for non-existant PPE though. Difficult choices.
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In reply to Post #1381
Tax payers contributions
Manage debt, they couldn’t manage a ****
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In reply to Post #1380
0.5% of what? we are in debt and going to borrow £394billion. Better sort that out first before we give money away.
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See foreign aid is been cut. Currently we pay out around 0.7% of the budget. Germany 0.6% and France 0.4%, no surprise there!
Going to be reduced to 0.5%, small step forward but let’s concentrate on getting our house in order
In the grand scheme of things though it’s probably laughable when you look at all these big corporate tax fiddles ffs. I hope they are going to review this the useless ****s and take something off these to fund our nation and the NHS
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In reply to Post #1377
Back handers and brown envelopes........really......
How long has this friends of government corruption been happening spanky?
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In reply to Post #1377
None of the parties fully represent me, I'm not loyal to any of them, for local issues the Lib-Dems are catching my eye at the moment.
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In reply to Post #1376
The establishment , who they are and what they are , perfectly explained here , watch this then tell me that they represent you , this is what you voted in last year , yes but !!! Corbyn wouldn't of done any better How corporate power creates a rich environment for itself via corruption !
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In reply to Post #1375
No I'm not Sherlock Holmes I'm just guessing that challenge won't get very far that's all.
In reply to Post #1374
Got to stick up for BAME especially women
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In reply to Post #1373
You seem to see very little that contradicts your beliefs , i don't know how blatantly obvious things need to be for you to notice them , one things for sure , you aint no Sherlock Holmes
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In reply to Post #1373
Priti Patel would sort them out...
Wonderful irony that boris sticks up for her during anti bullying week....
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In reply to Post #1372
Can't see that challenge going far. Jobs not advertised before appointments given in the middle of a pandemic.
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The daily corruption update BONG BONG BONG , n all that
Boris Johnson and his health secretary, Matted Sticky wan*sock, acted “unlawfully” when appointing three key figures – including the head of NHS Test and Trace, Dido Harding – to posts in the fight against Covid-19, according to a legal challenge submitted by campaigners to the high court.
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I have my nephews with me at the moment , we have had a weeks graft so , the milky bars are on me !
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In reply to Post #1368
Home pub is it?
Maybe a lock in at the brewhouse?
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In reply to Post #1368
Whale music is 6 -7 pm tonight when i have my massage , then another pi** up
Sounds good to me 🍺 o clock
I’m clock watching, couple of bottles of Stella in, some nice IPA, some of New Zealand’s finest and picked a bottle of Tanquery Seville up yesterday, nice with lemonade lol, see how it goes. After that lot I could be hearing whale music
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In reply to Post #1367
It's spending to much time in France over the last 10 years ,makes you more of an activist , they don't just roll over and take it , we are going to need to stand up for ourselves in the near future as corporate influence gains the upper hand , which is evident by the day !
Whale music is 6 -7 pm tonight when i have my massage , then another pi** up
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In reply to Post #1366
Ever thought about listening to whale music G?
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Ah well , there's fu** all else to do , time for a bit of digging ,
With public finances stretched as a result of the Covid-19 pandemic, the TJN said it was time for the G20 to require the publication of the profits made by individual multinationals on a country-by-country basis, so that “corporate tax abusers and the jurisdictions that facilitate them can be identified and held to account”.
The report says the five jurisdictions most responsible for countries’ tax losses were the Cayman Islands, a British overseas territory, responsible for 16.5% or more than $70bn of global tax losses; the UK (10%, $42bn); the Netherlands (8.5%, $36bn); Luxembourg (6.5%, $27bn) and the US (5.5%, $23bn).
Alex Cobham, the chief executive of the TJN, said: “A global tax system that loses over $427bn a year is not a broken system, it’s a system programmed to fail. Under pressure from corporate giants and tax-haven powers like the Netherlands and the UK’s network, our governments have programmed the global tax system to prioritise the desires of the wealthiest corporations and individuals over the needs of everybody else.
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In reply to Post #1364
I have had a quick look into the career of Priti Patel from a tobacco lobbyist to the now head of our security , the lack of outrage that she now has this position is unbelievable , she wreaks of corruption it follows her wherever she goes and , as reported recently MI5 do not trust her with certain information !
This could be our next PM ffs , forget incompetent Abbot , this one is a serious risk !
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In reply to Post #1363
I know that mate.
Just needed an early Saturday rant to get it out of my system. I can go and enjoy my weekend now
At least until the football later which I'm not too confident about.....
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In reply to Post #1362
You tell ‘em Mal
A few private sector workers have also propped up the home bakers and sangria sippers though
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In reply to Post #1361
They're a ****ing shower of ****
Yesterday's pile of guff.. pay freeze for the public sector workers who have been keeping the place going whilst boris and Co **** everything up...
Front line nurses and doctors maybe excluded. Good. What about NHS cleaners and canteen staff? Care workers? Police, fire and ambulance crews? Those people who are actually operating the furlough scheme to keep people afloat?
'We're going to pump billions into horse **** ideas and private businesses who have spent years enjoying healthy dividend payouts and those mugs in the public sector can pay for it. Oh and we'll give ourselves a £3,300 pay rise in April '
Bunch of ****s
Peace and love all (unless you're a **** - even I have a limit)
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In reply to Post #1360
Reaching peak corruption , it's becoming unsustainable , i'm sick of seeing wan*sock , Patel ,Boris and his cronies bulllshi* us every day ,I hope people will remember these days at the next election , so they can vote for another corporate backed idiot and take us right back to the Blair years .
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Bong.... Boris announces £16.5 Billion spending on defence to buy robots and space rockets - that's just over 10 times what has been earmarked - £1.6 Billion - for replacing the potentially lethal cladding on high rise flats to make people safe in their homes post Grenfell (estimated actual cost around £10 Billion...)
can't wait to see what hilarious events will be in tomorrow's episode of 'how to run a country from your living room'. apparently there's a bullying storyline...
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In reply to Post #1353
You don’t think it could be down to how and what he communicated with the people Wayne, not even a little bit controversial?
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Unless you have an unhealthy interest in the truth regarding Corbyn you aint going to know it !
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In reply to Post #1354
CNN and FB......
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What, Fox news and Twitter?
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In reply to Post #1351
Interesting what he said about Trump, similar to how i see it, created one massive split between the nation
Rubbish........Social media and MSM has done that over the last 4 years.....
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In reply to Post #1347
Think I read somewhere that 85% of British people of Jewish faith vote Tory. You have to deal with the realpolitik as a leader of a political party if you want electing. Totally pointless being a protest party. The media will always play the man rather than the ball if you give them a chance, more so if you're a labour politician.
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In reply to Post #1345
Last paragraph, we sooooo need to move on
Charisma, just watched the interview with Obama, charisma, leadership, dare I say it, inspirational, the lot, won over the nation for two terms, immense compared with the muppets of today!
Interesting what he said about Trump, similar to how i see it, created one massive split between the nation
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In reply to Post #1349
No, Carrie's the boss now Dom's out.
Hopefully he'll be shagging a pro EU woman soon enough and announce the biggest U-turn yet....
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In reply to Post #1348
Haven’t you heard? boris is going green now... Must be all the taxpayer money him and his friends have made recently through government contracts.
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In reply to Post #1347
I've condemned them both.
Just saying.
I've got my suspicions about that farage bloke too...
Vote green greekskii - you know it makes sense
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In reply to Post #1346
Be fun if the media set upon BJ for his racist comments wouldn’t it. Literal direct and blatant racism. Yet they haven’t, the majority of people excuse him for it as ignorance and ‘bad phrasing’...
Same people that are condemning JC for what happened in the party he was leader of...
Then to sit there and say the media didn’t go above and beyond to over egg it for political reasons...
Makes you very aware of the narrative and the blatant poleaxing of an individual. Maybe he used ‘bad phrasing’ to describe the media hounding for which he was suspended for, much like Boris did when he called black people “picanninies with watermelon smiles”
Rounded views don’t seem to be commonplace amongst the masses. Just MSM influenced opinions without the nouse to engage their brains. Focussing on someone who isn’t an influence anymore instead of the man in charge and his racist tendencies... get a grip.
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In reply to Post #1344
Only it's nothing like your analogy in the last paragraph as Jon says.
His office also tried to interfere with the HR department during investigation and it wasn't one case was it. More than once leads to an assumption.
I don't personally believe he's anti-semitic( but as I'm not Jewish or JC I don't really know), but I do believe he allowed person's who are to fester in the party, so it's a fair to tar with the same brush. S***e leadership.
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The Corbyn worshippers must be so pleased with the anti-semitism stuff – they get to pretend good old Jezza would have saved the UK if it wasn’t for the pesky complaints (from Jews, nudge nudge). The truth is there are enough Jewish MPs who he failed to support when they made complaints of abuse as well as all the other stuff (.. mural anyone?) that he can only be judged as indifferent at best when it comes to anti-semitism. And that ain’t good enough.
The real problem is the rest of Jeremy bloody Corbyn – his lack of charisma, his inability to seek to connect with the centre ground, his refusal to engage with vast swathes of the media, his refusal to even adopt a position on Brexit, and worst of all, having been beaten by Theresa May … his belief that he could win against Johnson, which opened the door to the worst old-matocracy and cabinet of ineffective yes-men the country has seen. His hubris has been catastrophic for the UK. If he had any decency he’d piss off and start his own little party of nutters like Farage.
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In reply to Post #1343
I suppose you agree with everything in the EHRC report....like where it explicitly states that there is no evidence of JC being anti-semitic himself or doing anything to incite anti-semitism...
But I suppose the fact there is clear evidence of division and attempts to undermine JC when he was leader of the labour party has no bearing on anything, even though those involved in the original cases of interference of complaints, etc. were the ones that wanted to get rid of JC
But if you want to keep branding someone anti-semitic because of the actions of others even if they publicly condemn it and reform the complaints procedures to make them more robust as they were failing...then you go ahead.
It's like if you were the boss of a company and one of your employees came to HR to complain about a colleague being racist and all of a sudden you, who had nothing to do with it, were now branded a racist forever more...
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In reply to Post #1342
The problem is yet again the cover up or resolution is a bigger scandal than the actual complaints evidenced.
Chakrabati nothing to see here let’s move on result was a complete whitewash and condoned by Corbyn and the hierarchy of Labour. Almost like she asked what result do you want for this and where’s my key for the Lords executive toilets 😎
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In reply to Post #1341
sanctioned for being anti-semitic or for saying the media over egged it to ruin his character and political career, directly against what Starmer said labour members shouldnt do/say??
Not saying what he said was right or wrong, but what he said about the media and being anti-semitic are not the same thing. But then again, what do you expect when the majority are brainwashed by the MSM
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In reply to Post #1340
It's irrelevant what I think about it. He was suspended by the party for it and sanctioned, which he's accepted. Maybe you should follow his lead.
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In reply to Post #1339
Are you sure about that? Acknowledge it, condemn it, say you feel that it was exaggerated by the media for political reasons, i.e. it was bought up not because it is wrong to be anti-semitic but instead to smear political careers... in the certain circumstances surrounding individuals... people do cling on to very tiny threads
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In reply to Post #1338
If you downplay anti-semitism by claiming it's exaggerated for other reasons = anti-semitic.
Fishie, the Corbyn story will not be front page news for long. Where as the Tory government debacle will run and run, don't worry.
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In reply to Post #1337
What evidence do you base your claim of him being anti-semitic on? just out of interest...
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Morning all fisherpeople or fisherpersons
Corbyn is back in town after a carefully worded non apology, Labour had the perfect opportunity to bash the Tories with all the **** ups this week but lets reinstate an anti-semite
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Sainsbury’s xmas advert seems to have identified who the real snowflakes are as racists can’t cope or relate to an advert about gravy with a black family in.
The mind really does boggle
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...and just a day after boris' latest blunder ... labour seize the opportunity by reinstating Corbyn. ...
Bunch of tools.
I'm telling you all. Vote green. Let's get rid of all the feckers and save the planet.
Peace and love
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In reply to Post #1331
He did have a bit of previous when it came to 'not going to war ' so no surprise there really. ....
In other news. ...
Most people in self isolation just eat a load of crisps while watching Netflix in their underpants. .. not boris. .... too much time on his big buffoon hands so he decides to piss off the Scots and kill off any chance of the tories getting any votes north of Carlisle ever again...
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In reply to Post #1331
Lockdown Chaos , channel 4 ,tonight , how the government lost control , bollo**s to America they are beyond yelp ,
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Not so keen on Piers Morgan , but it was refreshing to see him rip apart our health secretary Mr wan*sock this morning ,it will probably be another 200 days before another Tory ventures near justified scrutiny again !
Am i wrong regarding how corrupt our system is , have some people been sleeping , if you can't see it now it's because you don't want to , or don't want to admit it , sad really ,say alert !
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Panorama tonight, can Biden unite America, who gives a ****
We were discussing this today lol
So what did Trump do, first President in around 50 years not to go to war
Went and saw the rocket man and told him to sort it out for the sake of world peace
Slapped 25% import tax on and ****ed over a load of companies and countrys
Divided a nations opinions, guess that’s where he got it wrong
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In reply to Post #1329
Not time to relax Scoz we should all be busy resetting capitalism.
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In reply to Post #1328
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh, and relax
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In reply to Post #1325
After witnessing the handling of covid and the corruption surrounding it , i have come to the conclusion that "we're fu**ed !
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In reply to Post #1326
That’s bull****. Carrie has just taken away his tablet and said he can’t go out to play for 2 weeks
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In reply to Post #1325
That’s pretty ****
He’s self isolating again now by the sounds of it
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In reply to Post #1324
What and Boris can’t get the country relocated to south east Asia or Oceania to improve the climate and join this free trade deal?
What a failure
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The leaders of China and another 14 countries in the Asia-Pacific region have signed one of the biggest free trade deals in history, covering 2.2 billion people and 30% of the world’s economic output.
called the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership (RCEP)
Australia, Japan, New Zealand and South Korea signed the deal, alongside members of the 10-nation Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean), including Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines and Thailand.
Not to worry , we have Boris at the helm to guide us through these troubled times and Brexit will undoubtedly "make Britain great again " we're fu**ed !
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In reply to Post #1321
Given their history with vaccines?
Pfizer I'd imagine manufacture hundreds of different vaccines and medicines every day, used by 100's of millions. BioNtec have been doing what they do successfully and growing for years also.
When you say without the usual rigorous testing, I presume you mean the length of time comparable vaccines take to gain a license. Mate, this virus is a global pandemic, the kitchen sinks been thrown at it by government's, scientists and clinicians. Not like any other vaccine situation in history. The way I understand it to shorten the usual time frame, instead of a linear process all aspects of the vaccine development/testing have been "stacked". Meaning all parts of the process are started simultaneously in parallel. Obviously shortening the licensing timeframe.
Add into that, the trials are not being run on the whole age range of populations, children aren't part of the trials. Again you shorten the timeframe without compromising your "rigorous" testing.
The only thing they won't know is longevity of the vaccine for obvious reasons, but powerful modelling will give a probable answer.
Not many people are comfortable with being injected with anything, seems you've already made your mind up
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So , Labour , under Starmer want to censor msm to stop conspiracy theorists and the negative impact on the covid vaccine .
The real problem is , tackling the lack of trust between us and them , or , the system, all the anti vaxxers and the conspiracy theorists pumping shi* out daily would fade away if we could trust those that inform us !
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In reply to Post #1308
I know the video was from my article. The question was do we trust them given their history with vaccines? We need one that's for sure but is it right to push one through without all the rigorous testing that is normally required? It's a big call that someone has got to make. Would I take take it? As I am in an at risk group I would have to. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it though.
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In reply to Post #1319
It’s for our benefit though G, otherwise some third world Mickey Mouse outfit would step in. They create a lot of jobs so I can see why they get the support
I agree though, somebody is making some £ somewhere along the lines but that’s how business works I guess?
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In reply to Post #1315
The point i am making is that big pharma and their lobby groups have been successful , at our expense !
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In reply to Post #1314
Is the earth flat......
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In reply to Post #1316
Exactly
And the Russians, just like the Chinese, they like to pinch it
And licenses, they don’t give one
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In reply to Post #1315
Once a company applies for a new drug license and it's granted they're given a 10 year exclusivity on the manufacture of the product. So you've got 10 years to make all your money back and make a profit, before it can be produced by anyone in China/India etc and given a generic name. Hence high prices for some treatments.
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In reply to Post #1314
Big pharma is the perfect example and epitomises how capitalism has become corrupted and needs resetting
I used to work for a company that spent 15 billion a year on R&D, not to mention the crazy wages paid to 1000’s of some of the best professionals in the world and 5 - 10 years product development before release, not to mention the reverse chemistry and blockers to stop people copying it, and not to mention the ones that don’t make it
Take some paying back that lot, that does not include the multi, multi million pound manufacturing plants and overheads around the world. So big investment, so you can expect some big returns required
I think your problem could be the greedy shareholders, the investors required to make this happen who want a return on their investment, that’s business I guess?
I can really appreciate people’s frustrations though when some of the medication costs around £5k a pop
The good news is for us mere mortals it is FREE on the NHS while it lasts!!!
Maybe the government should own the R&D, manufacturing plants and pay for this lot too?
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When i listen to anti vaxxers and their arguments against vaccines , i would put them in the same bracket as flat earthers
Some of the people employed by big pharma companies are the scum of the earth and create misery for millions just for a few $$$, well a few billion $$$ ,as proved time and time again ,one of the worse recent cases for me was the opiate /opioid crisis here and America , millions of addicts created for a few quid , these people are not your mates , the world is desperate for a vaccine , i will definitely take it but would like the tests to be a bit longer and a few more peer reviews completed first , but , i suppose if i was on the "at risk " list , i would be more than happy to have it
Big pharma is the perfect example and epitomises how capitalism has become corrupted and needs resetting .
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In reply to Post #1312
because Facebook frank said that big pharmacy is controlling my life and wants to make my sperm full of nanobots who will grow up to take over the world PMSL
Facebook Frank
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In reply to Post #1310
Aptly put
I'm exercising my human rights to not take a vaccine that could save my life, stop me from infecting others and thereby protecting their lives and saving important NHS resources all at the same time... because Facebook frank said that big pharmacy is controlling my life and wants to make my sperm full of nanobots who will grow up to take over the world
Ffs
If Pfizer is good enough for Pele then it's ok by me
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In reply to Post #1310
Agree
I only have one concern. It is been rushed through so quickly, usually they take YEARS to develop
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Staggering, isn't it, that life expectancy has continued to increase the world over despite 'big pharma'.
They develop medicines which increase the quality of life for billions, and make a profit. What's so wrong with that? Don't like it? No problem - Crack on in the woods with your pestle and mortar and leave the NHS in peace.
If you're offered a vaccine and turn it down, then you should be offered Covid treatment equal to the value of the vaccine you've declined if you contract it. I reckon that would be 2 ambulance crew taking about six paces towards their vehicle then turning around, let alone getting in it and starting the engine.
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In reply to Post #1306
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In reply to Post #1306
Stay alert , bloke from Stoke , the video is from your article , for those that can't be arsed to read it !
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In reply to Post #1302
Read the article I posted not Spankers lame video, it makes interesting reading. Direct your sarcasm towards your mate.
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In reply to Post #1303
I’m holding out for a cheap Turkish or Bulgarian one
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In reply to Post #1303
Neither beats the Russian one
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In reply to Post #1302
So do you think the Pfizer one will be better then the Chinese one that's inside Spanker's fridge?
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In reply to Post #1289
As the video states it'll just use facts I'm surprised they never mentioned the 100's of millions of lives saved and improved by Pfizer drugs and vaccines. Mainly just examples of unscrupulous sales executives bunging doctors to use their products over rivals.
Any videos of the actual developer of the vaccine, German firm Biontech available? Pfizer helped fund the research and will use it's massive production capacity to manufacture it at speed. Big pharma don't award themselves licenses to produce products, individual licensing authorities do. Independent bodies like the FDA in the USA, Medical Licensing Authority (iirc) in the UK peer review the data and dismiss or grant a license. Not as controversial the truth I know
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In reply to Post #1294
Not for me im afraid......
Was booked for a test yesterday but had to cancel as i have such a sore throat and the swab i reckon will make it worse!.........
Anyone else Looking forward to this evening when Dom leaves Downing Street.........
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In reply to Post #1299
Doesn't matter what colour they wear Westminster is full of them.
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In reply to Post #1297
I would love to see some of these , self entitled , never done a days honest work ar**holes grafting , to see how the majority make a living , get him digging the drains out on my job , or maybe loading the roof up with 1500 tiles !
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In reply to Post #1289
Thanks
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In reply to Post #1292
Your mate Cummings is out at the end of the year by the sounds of it. He might be looking for a job. You could set him on, I’m sure you could have some wonderful chats during your work day together
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In reply to Post #1292
https://images.app.goo.gl/FvGEBrtQTafVqDBt7
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In reply to Post #1294
Already got my Chinese vaccine in the freezer
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In reply to Post #1292
No vaccine for you and Wayne then?
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Pfizer gave thousands of men a massive hard on unintentionally when they trialed Viagra. Not something ever accomplished by Johnson or Cummings.
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Big Pharma , i would trust em about as much as i would trust Boris and Cummings
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8938065/CEO-sells-stock-worth-5-6-mln-day-Pfizers-COVID-19-vaccine-update.html
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https://labourheartlands.com/coronavirus-what-do-we-know-about-pfizer-and-can-we-trust-them-with-a-vaccine/
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In reply to Post #1284
That sounds interesting, had a Google but can’t find anything, got any links?
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In reply to Post #1284
Similar to bills polio one.......
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In reply to Post #1285
Then after about an hour you want some more.
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In reply to Post #1284
I would stay well clear of the Chinese one, apparently it has a couple of genes in it, it will turn you into a spy and you will defect against the western world
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Phizer don't have a great reputation regarding vaccines they got it very wrong when they created a vaccine for sars long ago which made thousands very ill and have since been fined ££ billions for being naughty !
Some say that the anti vaccine brigade was partly caused by them !
100 s of thousands have tried the Chinese vaccine , how's that doing ? they were doing the II phase trials back in April
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In reply to Post #1282
No ta.......
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In reply to Post #1281
Let me get these gcse exams out of the way and I'll do it mate.
Free vaccines for all carp forum members. Wayne can go first....
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In reply to Post #1280
He was only pm to get brexit done, sadly I don't see anyone to take his place.
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Looks like our short sighted buffoon has dropped another bollo** or three regarding his name calling of Obama and Biden , backing the wrong horse ,i reckon a "no deal " will go the same way as "herd immunity " nothing to do with Boris ! hopefully this will speed up Boris's ejection as PM or standing down due to long term covid complications
Our press and media have a lot to answer for , portraying this idiot as a worthy leader !
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In reply to Post #1278
Missus works for the NHS, they were told last week to expect a vaccine in early December. Key workers and the most vulnerable first on the list.
After all the ones you listed of course, don’t get that wrong!
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Excellent news about the vaccine from Pfizer.
The only problem will be the limited supplies and the almost impossible task faced by the government of prioritising Tory donors, the extended families of MPs, or the simple folk who just went to Eton. Impossible to decide who gets it first. An ethical conundrum indeed.
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In reply to Post #1276
I saw this earlier on today and watched it a number of times.
Why did the piper take a left half way up through a police line rather than go in a straight line.
Why was there a police line. What was they trying to protect?
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In reply to Post #1274
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So now Biden is the most powerful man in the world and an idiot.. sorry.. catholic, will he be getting the house of little boy fiddlers in order?
Will the ‘most diverse’ cabinet in history be chosen on merit or skin tone/genitalia?
Is it a long way to the toilet from the presidential boudoir for his 8 pisses a night?
Will the Americans be locked down over Covid resulting in civil war?
Will the apprentice be making a comeback with trump
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In reply to Post #1271
According to CNN yes.......
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In reply to Post #1270
Why do you care so much Wayne? Have you got family out there?
Seems that the jury's still out on whether Biden or Trump would be better for the UK.
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In reply to Post #1270
Yup because it’s a pack of childish lies
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In reply to Post #1269
Going to be there along time......
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In reply to Post #1268
Still waiting...
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In reply to Post #1266
You mean like the Russian influence of the 2016 elections.......
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In reply to Post #1265
Or you could post links to the “confirmed” reports...cmon wayne, show us it’s not just a crackpot conspiracy.
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Watch how this unfolds and Trump stays in the WH........
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Yesterday's news conference with Giuliani held in the carpark of a garden centre .... FFS. It's getting really embarrassing really fast for the Trump team.
Regarding the brexit vote ... The only ones alleging foul play were the cretins telling leavers to use a pen, because M I5 were waiting to rub out pencil crosses in the leave box. 'The elites will never let us win' - ring any bells?
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In reply to Post #1258
Reckon trump planted a load of false votes so if he lost he can use them to not leave the White House. Sounds very likely. Underhand tactics by a known cheater
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In reply to Post #1261
Confirmed reports from an impartial source or from the people that want there to be false votes?
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Confirmed reports coming in of dead people voting and evidence being handed to the SC.......
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In reply to Post #1259
"Can of worms......but how come its possible to dispute, and believe it was reasonable, the Brexit result"
Strange analogy. There was no disputing the vote result as I remember
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In reply to Post #1258
Can of worms......but how come its possible to dispute, and believe it was reasonable, the Brexit result with delaying tactics, court cases and disputes about how the polling was done. Thats all good!
But trump is such a despicable person for disputing the election there!
Also the crowd shaming of Trump supporters and rallies during the pandemic was highlighted as super spreader events but after the 6th November and result announced obviously the virus knows not to attend the large celebrations of Democrats.
Just saying.......
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In reply to Post #1256
I don’t think the Republicans will be looking for them votes.......
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Eventually Johnson bows to the inevitable and caves in to the child hunger campaign fronted by Super Marcus Rashford MBE.
Fitting end to the week that brought sad news about 2 Man United and England 66' legends. The common misconception is that West Ham won the world cup in 66', but there were 2 Man United players in the starting line up for every game. The sad passing away of the indomitable Norbert Stiles who played every minute of the tournament. The only Manc to ever win the World cup and European cup/Champion's league.
Sir Bobby Charltons family announced he was suffering from the terrible and little understood illness dementia. Sir Bobby survived the Munich 58 plane crash catastrophe. Pulled from the wreckage by Harry Gregg. Scored the opening goal for England in the tournament, scored both the goals in the semi final 2-1 victory over the great Eusabio and his Portuguese team. Sir Bobby also went on to win the European cup/Champions league alongside Nobby, the only other Englishman to do so. Also the first Englishman to win the Ballon D'Or
Sir Bobby was one of the few players that would have been a star in any era of football and a true gentleman.
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In reply to Post #1252
1 dodgy vote from a dead person and a whole can of worms is about to be opened.
Imagine how funny it will be if they find out there’s dead trump voters...but I’m sure trump will claim that was done on purpose as a pre planned way to stop Him
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In reply to Post #1250
Yep, you can be an ira sympathiser but if you’re born in the good ol US of A you’re good to go
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In reply to Post #1253
He may have Lost the battle......I’m sure he will win the war.......similar to bush in 2000
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In reply to Post #1252
Trump, his kids, Giuliani and the other hangers-on can say whatever they like .. no-one's listening anymore.
He lost to Biden, blimey. Imagine the result if they'd put a charismatic energetic young politician up against Trump.
... And you didn't get your race-war live on telly every night Wayne .. poor thing, and you'd bought all those tissues especially! At least you can use them to dry your eyes now ...
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In reply to Post #1246
Geeki, there was Zero evidence for Russian influence when he won in 2016 but the loony left or the democrats said it was easy to influence the election putting DT in the White House........now trump has apparently lost and the same lefties are saying it’s not possible to be corrupted and is totally valid.......
what’s to come
Good Job DT has the surpreme court in his pocket.......1 dodgy vote from a dead person and a whole can of worms is about to be opened......
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In reply to Post #1250
Jokes are jokes they don't have to be 100% factually correct.
Take it up with Scozza if you want to argue about it.
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In reply to Post #1249
Yes because you have to be an American born citizen to be the president. Jokes don’t work if they don’t make sense
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In reply to Post #1248
If it were Geeki vs Trump then Trump would've won simply by not being Geeki
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In reply to Post #1247
Who is Biden
If the truth be know, I put my hand in the air, Geeki missed a real chance to be a world leader, the American President, it was either Trump or the other bloke
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In reply to Post #1240
Biden won the narrowest of elections simply by not being Trump.
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In reply to Post #1243
Only if you don’t believe in democracy it isn’t. Zero evidence has been put forward for any of the claims, says it all really. Trump is many things but president of the US isn’t one of them anymore.
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In reply to Post #1223
Nope. He's a cancer. America and the world are better off with his defeat. The way he's dealing with losing show him for who he is. Trump's democracy is one where he wins because he says so. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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In reply to Post #1242
Imagine how much he's going to sulk when Biden is incapacitated and Kamala takes over....
A black woman in the white house. Got to be trumps worst nightmare!
Fair play to Trump. At 71 million votes he's got the most ever for second place. I guess that makes him the biggest loser ever....
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In reply to Post #1237
Geeki......keep Watching, this isn’t over yet......not by a long way.......
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In reply to Post #1237
Trump was never going to go quietly, he’s like a baby can’t get his own way the toys come out the pram.
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In reply to Post #1239
True dat
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In reply to Post #1239
Was happened noj ?, I can’t be ****ed about reading all the other post
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Biden got lucky being the bloke up against trump, not really won an election or deserving of it.
America would have lost either way, because it’s literally torn in two and the faces of either side don’t change that division.
Same as here and every other democratic society, except these ****s have guns
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Trump shot himself in the foot by telling his supporters not to use the postal vote.
Still, it was fun while it lasted.
Biden won't be around for long, maybe 2 or 3 month, he is just a vehicle for the far left!
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In reply to Post #1228
Wayne are you okay? Your beloved trump is being a little b*tch about losing but I’m just checking in to ensure you’re not.
Suppose it was 5G’s fault Biden won though....
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In reply to Post #1233
You never kept your promise I was meant to get the last word
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In reply to Post #1233
Could be worse just think if the Lib Dem’s or The Green Party were running the show
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In reply to Post #1233
With the rule of two you could add a Hancock guy to your boris one...
I'll take care of Gove and Williamson
Anyone up for Patel and Rees-Mogg (you'll need extra fuel for him he's so bloody wet.. )
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In reply to Post #1232
Narky Spankers , I like that !
Just building my "Boris" guy for the bonfire tonight ,
Tinhead , the people you should be criticizing at the moment are Tory , even you should of come to this conclusion now ,
Get on board , it's over lad , and drag mini me with you !
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In reply to Post #1231
Narky Spankers, wasn't that a rival gang to the Peaky Blinders?
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In reply to Post #1230
Mind how you go Mal you can't make jokes anymore
By the order of the Narky Spanker
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In reply to Post #1229
Bloody closets. Coming over here taking all our jobs - sorry, I mean furlough pay. Clogging up our spare bedrooms. Thinking they matter as much as the white goods in the kitchen. Mouthing off with their 'teak lives matter' guff. Can't trust them, they've all got skeletons in them.... etc etc....
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In reply to Post #1226
Thank you for letting me have the last word.
It was only joke, lots of jokes at politicians expense on here. I thought some would laugh and the rest would be smart enough to simply ignore but obviously you are not as clever as you think you are
I'll ignore the closet racist remark as you don't know me at all, my family or my friends. Very poor show
Hey this having the last word thing is rather good. I hope I get invited again
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In reply to Post #1226
That’s a bit strong Spanky! Can you not make fun of someone black now FFS......
Just to add.....Have you heard Some of the racism that comes out of her mouth........same as Biden when he tried for the POTUS last time he ran.......
Talking of Biden, his son is busy trying to get their laptop back.......
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Part of me just wants it over with the Biden win confirmed.
But... there's also pRt of me loving watching Trump squirm under the boot of democracy. Classless to the bitter end, his love for the 'American people' ends after the first name on his list - his own. Loads of White House staff already leaving post to find new jobs. Rats deserting the ship.
Luckily we will be ok because Boris didn't put all his post Brexit US trade eggs in one big orange basket.....
.... oh, hang on....
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In reply to Post #1224
Every party has one , or two , But when they have proven to betray your country and some buffoon would still put them in control of security ,as in our home secretary , well Mr bong , that surpasses anything and everything Abbott did , and if using the same critical judgement , when is your criticism of Boris , it's plain for all to see I thought Bong was your nick name when you got all petty when i was calling out his handling , or miss handling of the covid shi*storm
Bigoted
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narcissistic
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I won't do the " i will let you have the last word cowardice " go for it , you closet racist !
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In reply to Post #1224
But they didn’t have the right batteries for her abacus in duty free 🥁tsssh
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Expert flown in for the count
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In reply to Post #1222
FOAD is a bit strong
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Orange ****gibbon- you're fired. America and the world is a better place for your demise. FOAD.
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In reply to Post #1211
Praying for 4 more years....
That's you and Paula White
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4daeEacIVI
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In reply to Post #1216
No surprise he's behaving like a maggot. Fire all the lawyers he wants at this one but the silence from Republican Senators tells you everything.
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In reply to Post #1218
That's right , presently being persecuted by our establishment regarding his coverage of the Alex Salmond case in Scotland and the Assange case , both being given more or less zero coverage in our corrupt press and media !
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In reply to Post #1217
Craig Murry
It's a complicated world in which we live
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From a honest independent journalist's website !
I pause to note that the terrorist in Vienna had attempted to go as a jihadist to Syria and fight against Assad. If he had not been prevented from doing that, he would have been financed by the Saudis, fed and clothed by the Turks, armed by the CIA, trained by the SAS and given air support by the Israelis. He might even have got to be a TV star posing in a White Helmet, or employment artfully placing chlorine bottles on beds for pictures by Bellingcat. Unfortunately, having been prevented from joining the western sponsored insurgency, he ended up killing Austrians instead of Syrians and now is a “terrorist”, whereas jihadist killers of Syrians are “heroes”. A strange world. The Manchester Arena bomber was of course physically brought in to the UK by the British military after fighting for “our side” in Libya. You do indeed reap what you sow.
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Biden almost there. Trump kicking up a fuss with lawsuits because he can’t get his head around numbers and how the electoral system works.
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https://twitter.com/shreyas/status/1324020849230319616?s=09
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In reply to Post #1213
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In reply to Post #1212
WLM......
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In reply to Post #1211
So you and Mal do have something in common after all. He loves the Village People
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Praying for 4 more years.......come on Donald I love the village people and ain’t played it for years......
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In reply to Post #1209
What's wrong with including the sling? I hold a number of lake records.
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In reply to Post #1208
Sounds like 80% of carp anglers are fans of Trump then
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Trump's the sort of bloke who fishes the lake full time, gets free boilies, catches one and before the needle stops bouncing around declares it a new lake record. His mates, who look up to him and are on the same bait, all cheer and slap him on the back, but if anyone mentions taking off the weight of the massive weigh sling they get ignored or branded jealous.
Decent folk just shake their heads and walk away, but the sad characters carry on blowing smoke up his arse in the hope of a free tub of popups.
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In reply to Post #1204
We already got screwed, 25% import tax. Or you open a business up over there and avoid it, ****
Did what he said, though, part of his make America great, take that
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In reply to Post #1204
Nah.......NHS and chlorinated chicken will be fine......
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In reply to Post #1204
Get your shares in BUPA now....
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In reply to Post #1202
Trumps a businessman, Britain is likely to get screwed on a trade deal.
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In reply to Post #1202
Surprised me that it is so close if I'm honest
One thing for certain, he appears to have created one massive divide in opinion but i guess that was quite obvious looking in
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In reply to Post #1201
Madness but not unexpected......
Going to be close.......get ready for anarchy which will no doubt spill over to the uk.......
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In reply to Post #1199
Reckon he will walk it Wayne
Edit - WTF BBC breakfast TV devoted to the US election
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In reply to Post #1199
Just about the only thing going for Biden is that he isn't Trump.
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DT For the win......I do wonder why the whole of Hollywood want sleepy Joe Biden the kiddie sniffer in though, Perhaps epstein knew and Weinstein knows from his cell.........
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In reply to Post #1197
Whatever happens it won't be pretty, both sides will claim they won, statistics will show both sides won and to be quite honest it won't make a blind bit of difference to the general public. The rich will get richer and the populace will pay for it
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In reply to Post #1196
Biden big win?
Trump big win?
Unclear result tomorrow and civil war?
What's going to happen?
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In reply to Post #1195
They should all take the tube. With 1.8bn to spend they can make it properly posh...
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In reply to Post #1192
We have an abundance of champagne socialists in our borough. They own Chelsea tractors and want to drive down everyone else's road but don't want any vehicles including electric ones driving down their gentrified ones.
You're getting me started now
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In reply to Post #1191
More school streets.
When parents don't have the convenience of dropping kids off at the gate that will make a difference
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In reply to Post #1191
That's just tory drivers.
Labour voters all drive trabants and Ladas.
Lib Dems car share with anyone who'll have them.
Green party voters like me get the bikes out or at worst a prius.
Brexit party types get dropped off by the RAC truck after their Rover 414 breaks down.
And edl / bnp party types don't go to school. Obviously.
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In reply to Post #1189
See Mal thats another thing schools should be blamed for.Bloody people taking kids to school in cars and 4x4s when they live less than a mile from the school gates,blocking up roads instead of walking
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In reply to Post #1189
Don't get me started on that
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In reply to Post #1188
It might sort out your traffic woes though....
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In reply to Post #1187
Yes it's the same lot.
Could you imagine if they extended the congestion charge, it would mean more people using public transport so the need to employ even more strike happy drivers
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54768723
Don't tell Andy Burnham. Or Merseyside. Or the north east. Or south Yorkshire. Or Marcus Rashford. ...
Just so I'm sure, these are the same lot who hold London to ransom every summer with the threat of strikes unless they get a pay rise?
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Spot-on. Worked for brex****.
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In reply to Post #1184
Johnson will just withdraw the whip and expell from the party any Tory MP's that vote against his lockdown plans surely. Citing treason and defining them enemies of the people in his drive to get Coronavirus done.
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In reply to Post #1183
Plenty of Tory ministers won’t be happy with a national lockdown. Expecting a massive fight from them and some serious internal politics and point scoring going on.
Parliamentary vote on the lockdown pending
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The government that works on the basis of publishing policy in the Telegraph, seeing what the reaction is and changing course accordingly, is now outraged that their latest plans have been leaked to the press ... FFS.
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In reply to Post #1176
Sounds once again like a conspiracy theory unless of course you have evidence for that claim??
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In reply to Post #1179
Propaganda and “news” via mainstream media are interchangeable.
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In reply to Post #1176
propaganda
Ain’t that terminology for a group of you southerners having a good look at summat
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In reply to Post #1176
I'm rich and elite
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In reply to Post #1176
Corbin was well past his sell by date and has been clinging on for years. They didn’t have a cat in hells chance of getting in with him at the helm for me, got to be the worst ever, held them back. It’s time to change
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In reply to Post #1175
Their ultimate goal was to give the tories non-opposed control of the country. If you split Labour in to the ones that agreed with JC’s more traditional Labour and the ones that want the Blair/Starmer Tory style Labour then you have two very weak parties and no opposition for the corrupt and out for themselves conservatives.
The rich and elite are on the verge of getting what they want after years of propaganda and lies. Unopposed control of the country that only civil unrest or a coup will solve.
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Interesting interview on C4 news with Starmer. Which ever reason why they got shut of Corbin it has got to be a massive step forward for the future of the Labour Party, I reckon this was the ultimate goal
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In reply to Post #1169
Looks like a Borrower.
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In reply to Post #1169
From the camera or from reality?
Maybe it's the furlough version of him....
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In reply to Post #1170
The Tory party will have it's issues for sure. Ex BNP, Britain First, EDL etc currently think they've found a home in the Conservative party.
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In reply to Post #1165
The enquiry as I understand it wasn’t into specific allegations of anti semitism but the way the complaints were handled, resolved and closed. Ken Livingstone has just been on saying it’s a con and if he wasn’t a pensioner he would be suing, let’s see if the Corbynistas will crowd fund him to challenge it?
Wonder if Chacrabati will be handing back her ladyshipness 😀
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In reply to Post #1166
How far away is he?
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In reply to Post #1166
Good.
Maybe it will make people less likely to generate the unsustainable amounts of non-biodegradable used ‘ppe’, which is a term I use loosely for those blue and white things. Man, Greta must be between rock and a hard place
Face masks... coming to a sea bird, turtle or whale’s stomach near you
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In reply to Post #1165
I was thinking more along the lines of, set him up like a kipper
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/families-facing-94-hit-rishi-22906309
Cheers rishi!
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In reply to Post #1162
For making a statement that the media and opposition were overly enthusiastic in the way it was reported and used it for political gain. Starmer said any Labour member that said anything along those lines would have their membership revoked. Corbyn said something along those lines.
Don’t let the reason for suspension get twisted by the media and believe it as gospel...0
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In reply to Post #1163
To be fair, that does not surprise me with where we are now
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In reply to Post #1162
Suspended , lets see if it's upheld , don't let the facts spoil your story
Despite cries about ‘institutional anti-Semitism’ and an ‘existential threat to British Jews’, the EHRC based its report on a tiny sample of 70 complaints made over a three-year period. It only found two examples of supposed ‘unlawful harassment’ – out of half a million members.
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Corbin outed then
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In reply to Post #1158
Spot on as usual
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In reply to Post #1157
And the report on labours handling of antisemitism complaints that the media and press didn't want you to see from April ,
link.
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In reply to Post #1157
Probably the best explanation as to how the establishment and certain lobby groups representing foreign powers have used antisemitism as a political tool .
link.
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Do parents get child support in this country? Perhaps they should use it for food rather than Sky TV, latest IPhone contract, booze, drugs, cigarettes, eye lashes etc etc etc........
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In reply to Post #1156
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425
This one?
Labour party members only have themselves to blame for the last election fiasco after backing this muppet.
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As well as not being the messiah, despite his initials, turns out JC is also a very naughty boy.
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https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1319582339375181824
And even better..
https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1319213540130041856
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In reply to Post #1150
Yeah...
But you can't tax kids can you?
Over a million signatures on the Rashford petition now. Apparently there's a plan for 'activity camps' where fsm kids can go and get fed. That's just what they need isn't it? - another ****ing advert that they don't have any money.
Johnson says he doesn't want people to become dependent on meal handouts. Maybe he should do something about the roots of food poverty then. He's a disgrace. If they had any kind of plan for governance they'd have known this was coming up again after their summer u turn but once again it's reactive policy from an out of touch cabinet.
And this is all a precursor to food price increases after the farce of Brexit
And scozza and tinhead - you're a pair of ****s too
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In reply to Post #1152
Even they wouldn't eat lentils
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In reply to Post #1146
He would be taking their dinner round every night if you did
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In reply to Post #1149
That's a shame you'd think it would come pre fully furnished complete with ash trays so they don't have to use the floor
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So it works out that one week of food vouchers for 1.4 million poor kids would cost the same as half a day of Eat Out To Help Out.
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In reply to Post #1148
Yeah. You don't get your 'fits all bedroom windows' union flag until you actually move in. ...
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In reply to Post #1147
Aah that's a shame. I thought I'd get more from the illegals as they have to pay a premium to go undetected.
Not so good now they've put a limit onto how much they'll give scroungers for rent.
Apart from the leccy have the houses been kitted out with the other essential utilities yet? Gas, water, and Sky.
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In reply to Post #1146
Too late. They've been snapped up by illegals to rent out to lazy British benefit scroungers with rent paid for by your taxes of course...
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In reply to Post #1145
How much are the new houses. I might want to buy a couple to rent out to illegals
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In reply to Post #1144
Del boy Trotter could have come up with a less corrupt system than we have....
Anyway, in local news, half term started yesterday. A week and a half of having a nice lie in, wake up at my leisure for a nice coffee and organic toast and lentil jam...
****ing workmen started digging up the pavement outside my window at 8.00 this morning to start laying electrical cables for new houses being built about half a sodding mile away. ..
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In reply to Post #1141
You should always challenge your ideology , it's not about Corbyn , just a proven , better system than ours !
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In reply to Post #1142
I will give you that one......
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In reply to Post #1136
Wayne Loves Mal?
I can see it carved into a 5G mast with a little heart and arrow around it.
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In reply to Post #1140
I’m not going to click that link but my money is on it being Mr JC......am I right......
Ditto Jonny.....Ditto.....
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There was a man who stood against them , they lied about him and people believed the lies !
he wanted to lead us down a path similar to these countries !
link.
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In reply to Post #1138
Quite a lot does really, it'd be just too depressing to read everything you post.
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In reply to Post #1137
Nothing gets past you ay Jonny.......
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In reply to Post #1136
WLM?
W*****s like me?
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In reply to Post #1135
You can Mal, Do try to keep it relatively clean though rather than insults as thats wounding and really not required.........WLM........
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You can say what you like about Wayne. ....
No. Really. No 'but.. ' Just say it
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In reply to Post #1132
Who is going to take on the corps and banks Spanky? the whole system is built around them both so without a complete reset of the last 100yrs what do you propose??
Answer on a postcode please......
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In reply to Post #1132
Childhood obesity, now that is truly sad
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There is help for you Wayne , there is a lot of knowledge that i have seen on this thread , people can and will help you , i'm willing to start this long and probably tedious task ,
lets say this is day 1
this is an easy one
So , one of the countries doesn't suffer much corporate corruption , the other is riddled with it , see if you can work it out
go on lad , you can do it .
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In reply to Post #1130
Cheers spanky.......I wouldnt though, Looks like an over reaction from to much reading of fake news and bull****.........
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In reply to Post #1129
I would say that my responses to you were a normal reaction to an abnormal amount of bullsh**
I used to pity you and would avoid wasting time on you as would the majority of others , thanks , point proven !
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In reply to Post #1128
Goes back to Carping abroad days Bob, can’t help myself when it comes to politics or Brexit......
You found me out Geeki.......damn it......
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In reply to Post #1127
I'm neutral but I've got to say I've always thought Wayne was playing around sometimes. I'll admit I don't always know when but I thought sure some of us knew what he was up to
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In reply to Post #1125
Careful Wayne, some very clever men on here. I mean, why go to uni. The education is far better on here
I mean, listen to Geeki, he knows everything...
About **** all
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In reply to Post #1125
Pretending to be a troll when you get shown up.
Did you think of that all by yourself?
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In reply to Post #1124
I wouldnt go so far as saying i love the listed cretins apart from Tommy of course..........but playing with you and your posse brightens my day and its always good to throw in some curve balls for the so serious crew to digest and then rant about.....
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In reply to Post #1123
You mean your being played for my own amusement like most on this thread.....
And so the mask slips, and our ickle wayney reveals that he is, in fact, the devious creation of a retired Oxford don who spends his time sitting in a wing-backed leather armchair next to a log fire, wearing a red velvet smoking jacket, sipping a fine brandy while posting on here as a semi-literate halfwit who loves Big Donald, Fat Savile BJ, little Tommeh and all the other ****s. Nice one Prof! You stitched everyone riiiiiight up!
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In reply to Post #1122
Wayne , your a plonker , nothing can or will ever change that , we all know it and you prove it on a daily basis
You mean your being played for my own amusement like most on this thread.......
UK banks have been accused of ‘offering their services to those with money to hide’ after a leaked cache of thousands of documents revealed some of the world’s largest financial firms have facilitated criminals and fraudsters in processing dirty cash.
Really........Well i never.......Just UK Banks or banks Globally Spanky......
Spanky and Co.........Dont take life so seriously........Its not like your getting out of it alive....... .....Same applies to my dialogue with you on this forum .....
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In reply to Post #1121
Yep , i have zero respect for Blair but they did invest a decent amount in the NHS though , around 6 % year on year as opposed to around 1.2 % average under the Tory scum !
UK banks have been accused of ‘offering their services to those with money to hide’ after a leaked cache of thousands of documents revealed some of the world’s largest financial firms have facilitated criminals and fraudsters in processing dirty cash.
More than 2,000 sensitive banking papers detailing more than $2 trillion’s worth of transactions were analysed by a consortium of investigative journalists across 108 organisations including the BBC after being leaked to BuzzFeed News.
Wayne , your a plonker , nothing can or will ever change that , we all know it and you prove it on a daily basis ,
Stay off those bell end sites you go on , they are not there to educate you !
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In reply to Post #1120
Yeah... even Wayne isn't that far gone!
Blair's government was the most 'tory' labour government ever so a tit for tat about him and his Muppets is wasted time IMHO.
And as for wayne taking part of a sentence and using it out of context for his own agenda.... pure Trump in action
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In reply to Post #1115
**** me you are just as brain damaged as scozza
Pathetic really arnt you
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In reply to Post #1118
Had you down for a red pill kind of guy
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In reply to Post #1117
No embarrassment here........
Now where is my water for the blue pill......
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In reply to Post #1116
Are you really that stupid? Honestly?
You quoted me saying “Tory government for causing a pandemic they have no control over” without the part preceding it saying “you keep harping on about not blaming”, in order to accuse me of saying the Tory government caused a pandemic?? Unless you’re genuinely mentally disabled this is just incredibly embarrassing for you chap. You need to give your head a shake and see if those cogs start working
Can’t imagine how you cope in the real world with your logic, then again you don’t live in the real world do you, none of us do, it’s all the matrix or whatever crap conspiracy theory you’ve subscribed to this week
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In reply to Post #1115
I quoted you in your previous post.......read it again!!!
It’s Easy to blame the banks and not the labour government for your agenda.......tories caught the brunt of 2008 banking crisis as they came into power with LD in 2010......
Labour spent and endorsed borrowing when it was simply not affordable right up to 2008.....
Gordon did nothing apart from bend over and take it up the arse just like Tony Blair spending billions on war and causing the death of innocent people to make his chums happy......
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In reply to Post #1114
**** me you are just as brain damaged as scozza
When did I blame the Tory government for the pandemic? I said YOU keep harping on about not blaming them. Not quite sure how that amounts to me saying they caused it..
Honestly Wayne, you need to learn to read. Maybe the same doctor that might stand a chance with scoz will be able to help you too
You said the Labour government pissed it away and it needed repaying, including in the timeframe a global banking crisis which lost the entire world significant amounts of money... one small part of the timeframe I picked up on there.
But again, I’d like to see your evidence for the wasting of money...some of which was when Brown prepared for a pandemic and the resources never got used...same thing the tories got backlash for NOT doing. Waste when it’s done and not needed, anger when it isn’t done and is needed, can’t please some people eh.
Not likely I’ll see any evidence because you never back up anything you say with reliable proof do you.
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In reply to Post #1113
Geeki, your assuming again......
Pretty sure I have not blamed a Labour government for a banking crisis in 2008 unless you can point me to it of course!
Now your saying the tories caused a pandemic......
Tory government for causing a pandemic they have no control over
Do you understand anything you preach.......obviously not......
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In reply to Post #1112
It’s not a conspiracy there was a global banking crisis... so maybe be honest with yourself for once and admit that you can blame a Labour government for causing something that was out of their control....
sounds familiar though doesn’t it? You keep harping on about not blaming a Tory government for causing a pandemic they have no control over and the subsequent action they’ve taken you’re defending too.... hypocrite much?
Only thing that is a fact is that you actually don’t really understand much
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In reply to Post #1110
Lots of conspiracies there spanky!
Corrupt banking system.....yeah right!
The whole world is corporate run......yeah right!
You sound like David icke.......
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In reply to Post #1103
Post 1103
Proof you're a ****
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In reply to Post #1109
You have outdone yourself again lad , both feet in your mouth this time , why not actually do the research lad ,
There was a worldwide recession caused by a corrupt unregulated banking system , world wide , that means the whole world , not just the UK
the last time our we made a profit as a country was under Labour , you dipstick ,
try to stay away from those corporate sponsored bell end news feeds Wayne , they tell us more about you than anything else !
I usually ignore the ridiculous cra* you spout , but some things need pointing out and for every kid that was hungry then when Rashford was a kid there will be at least 10 x that amount now
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In reply to Post #1107
Wages stagnated because labour pissed it all up the wall from 97 to 2010 and needed to be paid back!! MR was hungry during that period of labour government by his own admission.
My sources are sound spanky.......your MSM ones are the problem and show your delusional thought process......
Fair play to Stirling.......
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In reply to Post #1106
Said yesterday that Stirling is putting 1 million into a charity for under privileged kids, good on them
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In reply to Post #1106
Not quite as idiotic as post 1103 , but kind of what we expect from you !
Why not look at how wages have stagnated since 2010 and how they compare with other EU countries , which nearly all have increased except for the UK and Greece !
The agenda of an idiot
You really do need to change your news feeds Wayne and keep that foot out of your mouth !
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Good to see Rashford doing his bit for child poverty in 2020....
But He said he used to go hungry as a child.......born in 1997 when labour took over and were in power until 2010 when he was 13 then there was a coalition from 2010 to 2015 taking him to 18 and I’m sure he was at a football academy then eating well......but it’s BJ faults and the conservatives for not extending them........
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In reply to Post #1103
**** off. ********.
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In reply to Post #1103
2 questions.
What would the reason be for faking the footage?
Is it really necessary to put that up on a fishing forum?
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In reply to Post #1101
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In reply to Post #1100
I pop and lock my way to the bar for the first round and a pack of kp
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In reply to Post #1099
Not if you're going to dance after two pints
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In reply to Post #1097
Wanna come out for a pint next Friday, I’m usually fighting em off with a stick
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In reply to Post #1097
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In reply to Post #1094
I wish i knew what that meant 🤔
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In reply to Post #1094
I’ve heard the pop and lock casting method you use is the reason you can whip a 2oz lead on a waggler rod 310yds
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In reply to Post #1093
I was pop and lock main instructor and the local community centre
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In reply to Post #1090
I’m betting noj attended said workshops...I met him once and he was dressed like Jessie from breaking bad 🤟
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In reply to Post #1089
Rubbish
What a shower of *****
The very reason I will never, ever vote for the conservatives, ****s
And when that thick **** BJ comes up smelling of roses after all this crap. It could be a perfect opportunity to sell off the NHS
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In reply to Post #1090
You know me mate, a world without street dance is not a world I want to be in
But to be fair a get together in the local town hall on a Wednesday is as far removed from street as you can get lol
don’t get me started on political exploitation of a culture spawned from government negligence
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In reply to Post #1087
But those street dance workshops spawned a generation who can pull out a robot / moonwalk / worm at a wedding disco to delight the crowds so money well spent there eh?
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In reply to Post #1088
The ones you've listed were just our services that got sold down the river for unearned income/shareholder profits. The big high tech, future money high quality job industries get snaffled up and off shored all the time. British short termism to cash out is a well known affliction to the detriment of UK PLC as a whole. That's where the government have failed, they can block any deal. But as we've elected the most free market gang of MP's in memory ( whilst the rest of the world turns in on itself with more and more protectionism) you get what you voted for.
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In reply to Post #1087
Local councils sold BT, water, electricity, railways, etc ??
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In reply to Post #1079
Rather than actually selling them and distributing/pocketing the proceeds, didn’t they just allow local councils to sell them off and use the funds to balance their books?
Those unnecessary road works, pedestrian area ‘upgrades’ and street dance workshops don’t pay for themselves!
Development of the buildings sold off may have made a few of the wink wink nudge nudge brigade miwwions, but it also kept the families of the labour fed.... every cloud
It’s just a way to wash the money, it still goes back to the man but with a few skims on the way
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In reply to Post #1085
Imagine if for once you provided any evidence to your wild claims
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In reply to Post #1079
No but guess who sold off all the countries assets... those good old Tories
Sure that was part of being in the E.U......
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In reply to Post #1077
The more I read of this the more dumb I felt!
Good job I don't teach economics...
Did get me thinking though. Are we on a slippery slope? My basic (very) understanding of QE is that, as more money is released into the system, the overall value of the individual parts (let's say a 5 pound note as an example) is decreased. Money has value because of its scarcity. So more bits of money about devalues all of it. (I realise it's less of a physical process now and more numbers on screens)
So... this in mind, if I had £1000 savings in January, ignoring interest etc., it's now worth less due to QE. Now this is the same for everyone, so we don't necessarily notice until it comes to trade etc.
Then I started to think about Germany and hyperinflation and those 50,000 mark notes that were worth less than the paper they were printed on (slight exaggeration there). Are we headed that way?
God my brain hurts now. It was much simpler when banking was just my little tsb school bank paying in book...
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In reply to Post #1082
Like the analogy
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In reply to Post #1078
Previous government's have been pilloried for borrowing, after world events turned against the UK. Didn't fix the roof when the sun was shining was a favorite phrase. Well it's been a decade to fix that roof and its pissing in more than ever now the sun's not shining.
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In reply to Post #1079
Agree
Maybe we should call our debts in from Europe too. Quite a few years ago now I read we were owed trillions!
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In reply to Post #1074
On a side note, I love what the Geordie footy fans have done in protest to sky charging 15 quid to watch pay per view. Thousands raised for food banks instead of lining the pockets of big business
Only just seen this so had a google, 20k to charity instead of supporting another Sky rip off, brilliant
Must admit I was tempted to pay for the game last night but then refused for these exact reasons
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In reply to Post #1078
Should we really have to borrow anything
No but guess who sold off all the countries assets... those good old Tories.
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In reply to Post #1077
Google is a magical source lol. I guess the BBC is more credible?
We won't know how big the final bill will be until after the crisis is over. But the government will certainly have to borrow enormous amounts of money.
According to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), which keeps tabs on government spending, the government would have to borrow £372bn for the current financial year (April 2020 to April 2021).
And that's before the cost of new lockdowns and support measures announced in the autumn are considered.
To put it into context: before the crisis, the government was expecting to borrow about £55bn for the whole financial year, but it has already borrowed £208.5bn so far this year.
And they key point is, what could they have done with all these billions
Should we really have to borrow anything
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In reply to Post #1075
Some of them are good ideas though Noj......
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For some perspective, that 80k the MPs earn (which isn’t actually that much, some people on here will earn that) is a few days for some footballers.
Maybe it’s time to legalise recreational drugs and use the tax revenue for good?
And let booze related a&e admissions rot in the gutter to free up funds?
Stop landlords profiting from the council properties they paid a pittance for from the government, only to then charge over inflated rent to the parents of these hungry kids through their housing benefit?
Execute lifers in jail?
Relocate prisons to remote Self sustainable islands, no farming no food.
I’m full of controversial money making ideas.
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In reply to Post #1073
I think they have painted themselves into a corner over it. Only option now is another climb down so it's now hungry kids vs saving face and we know how that will pan out...
Agree about the huge debt post furlough etc. But given the tiny percentage that the cost of providing the fsm would equate to (0.05 per cent is a figure I heard quoted) and the easy comparisons with money pumped into pubs and greekski's example of mp meal subsidies it just rankles. If the Scots, the Irish and the Welsh can do it then there's no good reason why it can't happen in England too.
On a side note, I love what the Geordie footy fans have done in protest to sky charging 15 quid to watch pay per view. Thousands raised for food banks instead of lining the pockets of big business
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In reply to Post #1070
Lot of sense there Mal
See my last comments about Rashford. I said since he is leading it and donating to it, not just talking about it like people on here, respect to the lad
Let’s not forget all the trillions been pumped into Furloughs to save jobs here. The trillions that will have to be paid back, and you know where that will come from.
Even more debt!
As for painting his Jet, I can understand the image and frustrations but that’s another stupid counter claim. Let’s hope he doesn’t get a new car ffs!
You see, ultimately there’s a pot of cash to run this country on, now you can divide that wherever you like but there has to be hard decisions along the line somewhere and these are based on items that nobody on here has got a clue about. Hence if we pumped money into every charity going we would be no different to any business, bankrupt!!!
Charity = fund rasing
Like I said initially though, sounds like a viable cause to me. I used to get free school dinners because we had **** all
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In reply to Post #1071
Agreed.
Henry said something in the covid thread a while back about how there was a sense of coming together at the start of lockdown. But after a while people revert to type and the selfish and ignorant go back to what works for them because that's who really matters to them....
From applauding NHS staff to shops not letting them in if they are wearing uniform.
From looking out for each other to looking after number one.
Didn't take too long did it?
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In reply to Post #1070
But that is linked to empathy and awareness which is in short supply in this government
Sadly not just in the government. Plenty of the general public lack both too.
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Whilst I obviously live to read your regular arguments it's hard not to pitch in with a couple of things...
Rashford seems a sensible lad who probably knows that there is far greater impact in his campaign for government change than him simply donating his wages. Give a man a fish etc...
He's spoken about his own mum and how she struggled with food poverty when he was a lad so it matters to him.
Government action in terms of covid restrictions have pushed an extra million kids' families into food poverty. They have a responsibility to do something about it. The devolved leaders have all committed to provision of fsm through holidays until next year (yes, they've taken account of Christmas already unlike johnson and his disgraceful mob). I posted in the summer about the amount of meals they could provide by simply diverting the cost of painting his private jumbo jet. And he dares to say 'we are all in this together'
Scozza, back a while I pushed you on your passion for tackling homelessness and suggested you give to charity to which you responded that you don't - because you pay your taxes. Multi million pound earning footballers also pay their taxes. A lot more than you or I. ... so the term hypocrite for the lad is harsh given your own approach.
In a supposedly civilised wealthy country, children shouldn't be going to bed hungry and mum's shouldn't be choosing between eating themself or feeding their kids.
Johnson and every mp who voted against this (because it was raised by labour by any chance?) should be ashamed. But that is linked to empathy and awareness which is in short supply in this government
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In reply to Post #1068
Let’s hope you get the votes one day
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In reply to Post #1067
I don’t see how redistributing public money is flawed? Because as you said my idea is hypothetical?? well duh... ideas are hypothetical until implemented, because they don’t exist until they are actioned. That isn’t a flaw, it’s a fact.
Providing for hungry children instead of well off adults is only flawed if you want children to go hungry.
Feed them in the short term whilst investing in sectors, industries and education so the parents can provide in the future. No point doing just the one, have to do both.
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In reply to Post #1066
Imagine if everybody did
Not everybody thinks the same as you
Don’t want to sound disrespectful but your argument is flawed. Take money of MPs to pay for kids dinners, mmmmmm, sounds good, it’s purely hypothetical
What should we do, pay everybody a flat 30k a year, or should that be 10k, we’re moving into the relms of communism here!
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In reply to Post #1065
Yeah. If I was earning a minimum of £79k a year (excluding any external income), I’d be more than happy to donate money for one or more worthy causes. Thing is, it’s not their salary they would be giving up. It’s their expenses. They have enough money to feed themselves. Imagine if they all chucked in once a week their £25 of taxpayers money to go to fairshare.... all 650 of them. I’m sure they could do without it.
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In reply to Post #1064
Don’t disagree with you on that. But that’s all part of their package. I’m not defending them, I think they are a bunch of ****s but using your analogy, would you give up some of your salary?
And if he has, respect to the lad, he is a man of his words
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In reply to Post #1063
He has done? Really should research before making your incorrect assumptions. He donated a large sum to fairshare and has supported them greatly. Considering £100,000 can provide 400,000 meals (according to fairshare) an MPs £25 a night food allowance could provide 100 meals a night for hungry children. See where I’m going with this? The same people that earn significant sums of money as a MINIMUM when you exclude external incomes, voted no to feeding hungry children (all 322 of them), could actually provide, if they put their £25 allowance a night to the cause for one night a week, 32,200 meals.
I mean if you don’t think that’s ****ed up...
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In reply to Post #1062
You raise a valid point about MPs wages, maybe you should review those when you get in
Lets take a step back to Rashford shall we, and this is what pisses me off. Same with a lot of people the same, don’t come banging a drum unless you are doing something about it yourself. He is a millionaire footballer, if he was so ****ing interested he would be paying a wad himself, hows that?
And like I said below, if he is, good on the lad, he is a man of his word, respect, and if he is not he’s another ****ing hypocrite
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In reply to Post #1061
If people are paying their taxes they are abiding by the laws of the country, job done. Now if you have a problem with rich people, you need to deal with it? When did I say I had a problem with rich people? Oh, I forgot you brain is damaged isn’t it and doesn’t work properly.
I have a problem with rich people using public money to feed themselves and home themselves when there are starving children and homeless people in the country. I’d say that’s quite a reasonable thing to have a problem with. Let’s put it in to context... average salary in Britain is 29k, MP salary is 79k. Yet the taxes of someone earning annually 2.5x less than an MP has to pay for an MPs food bill. Yet there are hungry children out there which MPs (who get your money to pay for their food) just decided aren’t worthy of having public money to be fed.
Think you need to get seen to, plenty of good doctors out there, probably none good enough to put a stop to your embarrassing memory loss and very incorrectly assuming ramblings though.
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In reply to Post #1060
Massive task running and funding this country. Too big for daydreamers anyway.
Maybe we should start doing highway robberies on the rich to top up the charity pot?
If people are paying their taxes they are abiding by the laws of the country, job done. Now if you have a problem with rich people, you need to deal with it?
Now if it’s illegal, that’s a completely different matter. I was very proud the other week when the drug dealer got all his assets stripped off him, more of the same please, just disappointed he didn’t get sent down too?
Where should start, large corporate tax fiddles, I’m all for it
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In reply to Post #1059
How do you know what I give/do for charity? Are you stalking me? Is that how infatuated with me you are Not quite sure who “people like me are” tbh. Those that think public money should be spent helping people? That my taxes shouldn’t be used in corrupt ways and line the pockets of the rich? The fact you don’t get that is quite a reflection on yourself. A sheep and a fool.
It’s funny how you think redistributing public money to feed the poor instead of the rich is somehow a bad thing. Or can you just not take it that it’s actually a decent plan but because people that don’t have the same opinions as you are asking for it, you have to oppose it because you’re that sad?
I find it mind boggling that you’re happy for your taxes to feed people that are being paid 2.5x the average British salary (as a minimum). More fool you I suppose.
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In reply to Post #1058
Your such a charitable person, you should give a lot more, I don’t understand people like you, pay 1/2 you salary to charity, you may get some satisfaction, or are you just another hypocrite?
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In reply to Post #1057
Wow...your brain really doesn’t work does it
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In reply to Post #1056
Sat with a glass of New Zealand’s finest
Enjoying reading the thoughts of a genius as usual. Thought about doubling your taxes?
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In reply to Post #1055
Weeping in that corner too are you? I’m sure you’ll edit your post in 20mins when you’ve stopped and come up with a shoddy insult.
To be fair a child is much more of a genius than you. I’ve heard that they can actually remember things accurately
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In reply to Post #1054
Child genius aren’t you
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In reply to Post #1053
Damaged brain in full effect here eh scoz. I said I would love to have a go at being PM but wouldn’t ever make it there because I’d not sell out to a big party.
No idea when or where I said I COULD be prime minister. You’re clearly cracking up old chap. Best go sit in the corner and try remember which way round your socks go
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In reply to Post #1052
Says you
This ones for charity folks
When you said you could be Prime Minister, that jobs taken at the moment. How about the Bank of England instead
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In reply to Post #1051
State of you.
I genuinely believe whoever brainwashed you is having a right giggle when you start spouting rubbish.
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In reply to Post #1050
Guess they are. We should thank ourselves lucky people like you and your Ike minded friends are not running the country and it’s another bunch of muppets instead
MPs overpaid, possibly, something you could address first on your agenda
When this country has been milked dry and there’s nothing left we will know where to look won’t we, when the balance changes and there are not enough people paying taxes to sustain the nation, what should we do then, phone a friend?
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In reply to Post #1049
Or maybe we should be allowed to chose where our taxes go. For instance instead of footing the bill for MPs food bills, even though they earn 80 odd thousand annually + whatever other income, maybe that part of our taxes goes towards feeding hungry children?
Redistribution of the existing money... simple, easy answer to the issue. Stop feeding the rich and feed the poor.
Guess the simple things are even beyond some
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In reply to Post #1048
Same reason as the government should.
There’s a footballer calling for school dinners, he was the one banging the drum. I wonder how much he is donating himself, or should we leave it down to the tax payers. A lot of clubs do things for the local community. If school dinners are their concern, then why not pitch in?
If he is donating himself good on the lad. I’m sure they may be some kind of tax fiddle or they could create one, reductions in tax if they are donating. I know Harry McGuire was donating out of his own pocket, whether he can claim it back or not, or put it through his books is another story?
And same as any rich person, they have an option to support charities if they want to, or should the government support all these charities instead?
You still dreaming of an endless pot of cash in this country then?
Maybe we should all pay double tax, how about you?
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In reply to Post #1043
Why should footballers do something when other high earners and those whose only skill was to be born into a rich family aren't being asked to?
Footballers (and most are from modest backgrounds) seem to bear the brunt of the comments about high wages but it is the market that decides the monetary value of their skill. Whilst becoming a top-rated player is still a rarity and the demand is high for their skills the wages will be high.
Unless of course you nationalised the Premier League and made them civil servants I suppose, like the good socialist you are deep down.
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In reply to Post #1046
People are now starting to realise that the “Australia” deal that they were sold as being good is actually exactly the same as NO deal It’s like they weren’t warned or told about it.
Can’t imagine how stupid they feel
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In reply to Post #1045
Nurses pay rise ,can't see that happening , to give themselves a £3300 pay rise a few weeks ago just goes to show how out of touch they are
and to see that lavish parliamentary menu that was doing the rounds on social media , how we subsidize their lifestyles , really sticks in your throat ,
Brexit , the majority of the uk population were played like a fiddle and now they have the perfect "get out of jail "card regarding the failing economy , it's all down to coronavirus !
I don't think that even Boris is so stupid as to close our access to this supply of nurses and doctors
link.
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In reply to Post #1044
Still more than the 24,907 starting wage for a qualified nurse...
https://www.nurses.co.uk/nursing/blog/a-quick-overview-of-nurses--salaries-in-the-uk-in-2020/
Unless boris and Co are planning on giving them a pay rise of course....
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Boris Johnson has scrapped the target to lower net migration to tens of thousands as he slashes the £35,800 salary cap for skilled UK migrants.
The plan, which ditches the aim put forward by Theresa May's government, was announced in a 507-page rulebook on Thursday.
Under the new proposal, the cap needed for skilled migrants to stay in the UK without any time restrictions will be reduced to £25,600.
It comes as Mr Johnson pursues an Australian-style points-based immigration system, which will take earnings into account along with a myriad of other factors, and comes into effect from January next year.
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In reply to Post #1040
Think it’s a good campaign myself
I also think it would be good if all footballers like Rashford did something for their communities, the fans that pay to see them every week. They are on extortionate salaries, I’m sure they could all donate a fair wedge, even if it was through tax reclaims if nothing else to support such charities. If they were genuinely interested
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Far right terrorist arrested in the lobby of a solicitors office building on attempted terrorism. Turned up to murder a lawyer that is representing asylum seekers.
Shocking that is happened in September a week or so after the “activist lawyer” smear campaign by pritiuseless Patel and wasn’t reported in MSM...more corruption...
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In reply to Post #1040
The majority of politicians are there for personal gain so no surprise , sadly , a corporate sponsored Tory government with a majority like they have at a time like this is not good for the average person
Save your pennies people !
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Anyone else see that one of the disgusting MPs to vote against extending free school meals for children is actually a TRUSTEE of a child poverty charity.
Couldn’t make it up could you, goes to show how utterly disposable these cretins are...or in the words of Rayner... scum.
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In reply to Post #1037
Yep remove the lot
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In reply to Post #1033
I mean, cmon, let’s wipe Bath off the face of the country for starters and what shall we call that wall
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In reply to Post #1034
And vice versa
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In reply to Post #1034
I agree. Get those covid carriageways closed
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In reply to Post #1033
We could start with some of those roads that link London with the north. Keep you ****ers where you belong!
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In reply to Post #1032
Due to history maybe we should pull down anything to do with the Romans?
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In reply to Post #1031
Like most others then minus the iron, lead, zinc and copper, not sure about the slaves, people trafficking and all
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In reply to Post #1030
They came to Britain looking for riches - land, slaves, and most of all, iron, lead, zinc, copper, silver and gold.
I nicked that from a school homework site so it must be true
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In reply to Post #1027
In the wise words of monty python....
What have the Romans ever done for us?
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In reply to Post #1026
Perhaps a trip to the psychiatrist rather than the polling station would have been better for you personally.
What are all the rules and regulations the EU set (agreed every time by UK government) that personally affected you negatively?
Looks that way Jon
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In reply to Post #1026
That's a perfect example of the victim mentality dragging the UK down at the moment.
Edit:
Knowing something and proving it are 2 different stories.
Not if you 'know' something because you've seen credible evidence, that you can show to others, rather than 'knowing' stuff because some bloke said it on Facebook or YouTube.
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In reply to Post #1026
EU gave you cleaner drinking water
EU gave you better workers rights
That’s just two
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In reply to Post #1023
I imagine that’s fairly difficult Jon! Knowing something and proving it are 2 different stories.
Ocelot - The EU have given me **** all apart from a headache......so many rules and regulations from the ****s.......
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In reply to Post #1016
Sounds a good idea that Wayne, low wage enhancements for people who are both willing and want to work
Not sure which pot that would come out of but it sounds good
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In reply to Post #1021
Or he will and the USA becomes a better place. The Senate is the big deal, no flames no violence, just a neutered President with zero power
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In reply to Post #1021
Wouldn't now be a really great moment for Trump to expose the truth about paedophiles and the deep state and lock 'em all up.
Everyone would be really impressed and vote for him.
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In reply to Post #1019
You could blame yourself for not making the most of the opportunities the EU offered you
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In reply to Post #1020
He wont lose........then the democrats will start lighting up there citys like they did a few months ago with the BLM bollox inciting more divide and hatred......
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In reply to Post #1017
Be funny if Trump flukes it again but loses the Senate. Totally impotent and stuck in the job
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In reply to Post #1017
It'll be a damn sight worse if he loses. It's his supporters that are the arses dressed up like action man with the automatic weapons.
You been watching to much CNN Jon.......
So you blame the English people and British politicians for the UK voting to leave the EU
Who else can you blame.......Not good old Nigel or Tommy.....
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In reply to Post #1016
So you blame the English people and British politicians for the UK voting to leave the EU
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In reply to Post #1016
America will be where it all starts after DT wins a 2nd term next month.........
It'll be a damn sight worse if he loses. It's his supporters that are the arses dressed up like action man with the automatic weapons.
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In reply to Post #1013
No facts whatsoever, just purely speculation the lot of it
Applies both ways though Scozza..........Your right though lazy english ****s make job availibilty here easy for unskilled workers when everyone in the UK should be working and topped up by the Gov as needed to a certain income.....
I blame Blair for not changing the UK rules on benefits / working etc when eastern europe joined the EU........Unskilled workers in there droves arrived when the above should have been applied and targeted skilled workers let in........Hopefully that comes in to play Aussie style next year which will also thwart the exodus of people coming from African / ME countries and going to fictious Universitys set up here to scam money etc......
Jon - I wouldnt say im looking forward to it but its certainly coming and America will be where it all starts after DT wins a 2nd term next month.........
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In reply to Post #1014
Exactly
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In reply to Post #1013
they could only see these foreigners in our country, shagging our woman and taking our jobs
Sounds like two good reasons to me
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In reply to Post #1010
Would I LOVE to beat that **** Farrage with a rubber hose
Brexit has got to be the biggest load of political bollox ever, as are the ****ing idiots who conditioned most of the nation to want out without any solid agenda, manifesto, or anything, just spouted bollox, no facts at all, whatsoever!!!
Most of the ****ing idiots that wanted out were racially motivated because they could only see these foreigners in our country, shagging our woman and taking our jobs. If the ****ing lazy English ****s were willing to do the jobs there wouldn’t be any for them would there ffs
No facts whatsoever, just purely speculation the lot of it
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In reply to Post #1011
Will all come good in the end........Anarchy and civil un rest in the UK will see to that......
Sounds like you're looking forward to it.
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In reply to Post #1010
Hopefully the navy can patrol the coast and shoot them en route like Somali pirates......alternatively they can stay in France.......
Will all come good in the end........Anarchy and civil un rest in the UK will see to that.......
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In reply to Post #1009
You haven't thought about this much, have you?
What's stopping people with your view of '3rd world ****s' shipping all migrants direct from Greece to the French coast and selling them a dinghy? Fast route out of the EU and into the UK would be very attractive to plenty - Europeans and refugees alike.
The govt will be dishing out visas left right and centre for crappy trade deals with far-away countries anyway. You thought the Polish lads drinking their foreign lager in the park were annoying ... wait till your cat gets eaten by an eagle sitting on the arm of a Mongolian on a small horse.
Edit: Money saved? Really? The cost of Brexit is close to or more than the total the UK paid in over the last 47 years already ... and it's not even fully implemented yet.
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In reply to Post #1007
So the Germans (EU) can come back when they have come to there senses.....
Jon, Being in a club is great but the money saved and Sovereignty is everything...........Perhaps we then start clearing the streets of 3rd world ****s and ****s generally that have been bleeding the system dry without upsetting the EU and their HR crap.......
Futures bright.........
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In reply to Post #1006
Thing is Wayne, whatever happens, whatever deal is struck or whoever gives what to whom, you'll genuinely think it's a massive victory for 'your side' .. whoever that may be.
None of the possible deals discussed with the EU since the ref bear any resemblance to what was promised to get the vote of 17.4m people, but you don't care, do you?
No deal, or the 'Australian Style Deal' as the govt have decided to call it, will cause real, significant problems for people within and outside of the UK, but who will it benefit? The already super-rich will earn a bit more perhaps, and those so blinded by their animosity to the EU will happily cut their noses off to spite their faces and rejoice in their new found sovereignty, while suffering a variety of economic consequences and the loss of all the advantages of EU membership.
It's lose - lose whatever happens before Dec 31st.
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In reply to Post #1006
We keep leaving the door open, I wonder why?
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EU back to the table it would seem.......surprised as they don’t need us at all......
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In reply to Post #1004
I will take your word for that.
One word, Thatcher
Another to describe her, ****
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In reply to Post #1003
Not at all. Scargill used a vote to entrench his no compromise/deal position. Same as the swivel eyed loons are now. Losers will be the working man = the same. Scargill and Johnson are basically the same, not interested in the real outcome for British people. It won't affect them.
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In reply to Post #1000
Are you getting confused there?
The same **** Thatcher who held the axe and let it fall. Same as most of these useless ****ing politicians have done over the years, just let British industry go down the pan because it’s easier to wash their hands of it, incompetent ****s
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In reply to Post #996
Understand the frustrations Jon
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In reply to Post #999
That's why it's been 'hospitality over hospitals' I guess. ...
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In reply to Post #989
Incredibly this government has somehow turned itself into the NUM of the 80's under Scargill
Promise everything, reject all compromise, **** the consequences for the working man. Pathetic and entirely predictable. All the statesmen have been fired off in the get brexit done purges, Cameron's "swivel eyed loons" now run this rookie government.
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In reply to Post #998
If only everyone looked out for their own, collectively we would drive down the numbers. But there’s too many selfish ****s about for that.
It does amaze me that, as it’s taxable, we are given the decision as to wether we smoke or drink (which WILL kill us) yet can’t choose wether or not we are prepared to risk our own ‘bubble’ by supporting each other during the outbreak of a virus that more than likely won’t
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In reply to Post #996
Fair points noj
I'm the same. Being sensible and avoiding any of the ridiculousness and doing my best to keep my loved ones safe.
No faith in any of the people who are supposed to be handling any of this fiasco now
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Its all a load of ********,if I have to go in work everyday with 300+ people on each shift pattern so over 1200 people total.No face masks and people who were travelling back to see families in other EU countries,I will carry on regardless with my life and my family will be coming in my garden,we stick to 2m distance like at work so whats the issue
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****s they may be mate, but they aren’t the ****s actually handling the healthcare or testing. It’s just been put in the hands of other ****s who ****ed it all up for every other ****.
It’s at the stage now I don’t see how the police can enforce any of these new ‘laws’ (I use that term very loosely) and I for one will be carrying on as usual regardless of what tier the ****s put me in. If as a nation we just crack on who is actually going to stop us?
You know I’m not a covid denier, but I won’t be left destitute for a bunch of ****s who want to go out on the piss and infect each other. I have to share a work van or site with other people and my son is on his second infection since going back to nursery, but he can’t see his healthy grandparents who are in the same boat? Righto
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In reply to Post #994
Simple.......**** the test......
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Police given details of positive test individuals from the track and trace (or cack and farce as it shall be known) system. ..
Talk of legal enforcement etc.
Lost tests, anyone who doesn't show given a positive results as default...
Well done if you voted for this bunch of ****s...
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In reply to Post #990
One thing Jon, this Covid situation certainly keeps Brexit off their backs
Out without a deal early next year, brilliant, couldn't get much better really
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The EU (Germany) keeps saying there ready and it won’t affect them.......lets see if Merkel don’t bend over and take one for the team.......
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I hink it's Monsieur 'jean' foreigner....
Heard Boris talking about an Australian style deal yesterday. Then the reporter compared the percentages for exports etc. Between Australia and the EU (about 11%) and our current percentages (about 50 %) and talked about the huge tariffs for car makers and food / livestock exporters.... it's not a bright outlook and that's without the extra factor that people across Europe actually 'like' Aussies!
Anyway Christmas is coming and the shops will soon be stocked with oven ready turkeys... now where've I heard that before?
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Well you're playing right into the hands of Monsieur Jonny Forigneur, aren't you?
If you'd both just be quiet for a moment with your defeatist remainer talk, you'd be able to hear the German car industry coming along to point out just how much they need us more than we need them....
Shhhh .....
Listen .....
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In reply to Post #988
I've looked carefully at no deal. I've assessed its consequences... Be in no doubt. That outcome would be a failure of statecraft.
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So looks like a no deal is looming with the EU.......lets now see How this pans out and if the UK is doomed......
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In reply to Post #977
Do you know what’s incredibly ironic. I have a few American Facebook friends that support trump and share a lot of stuff from numerous MAGA and trump supporting pages, and the amount of stuff that has fact check and fake news warnings on it is staggering
Funniest one was a post that was fact checked to be completely fake, that was talking about how trump was a victim of fake news about a specific issue. You couldn’t make it up!!
It goes to show the level of brainwashing going on. Moaning about your sacred leader being a victim of fake news, by sharing and posting fake news, and then claiming the fact checkers are also against you, the same ones your sacred leader praises for exposing fake news...
Oh and btw, Ben Shapiro deserves no respect, he refers to himself in third person all the time on his social media posts. Anyone that does that should be irrelevant.
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In reply to Post #985
Evening scozza
You missing me then?
As for happycarperedl.... (where's that sarcasm emoji when we need it?)
I'm very happy you've found YouTube. Are you leaving tiktok behind for, like, ever?
The thing with YouTube- as you know because you do your research - is that it is only very loosely moderated / regulated and any number of agendas, left or right wing, homophobic, racist, sexist, plain lunatic, can be found if you scratch beneath the surface of your 'news'. Wikipedia also lists sources but it doesn't make it entirely accurate or truthful.
You raise a lot of points. Some less misguided than others. Have you researched them all or do you simply believe that your echo chamber of YouTubers have and blindly accept their word in the same way you point to the average MSM viewer?
It does appear that you lay the blame for many of the worlds ills at the door of the MSM which I would argue is unfair. Anyone with intelligence knows that the news is filtered and edited and that varying outlets / newspapers will have a range of political bias. This isn't some big illuminati secret. It's widely known. The BBC isn't responsible for alcoholism, addiction and domestic violence. No more than advertising, endorsements, county lines, poverty, sky sports (I could go on) are anyways...
I have also read about the increase in suicides during lockdown. It's tragic although unfortunately not unexpected. I was very lucky to do some work with Papyrus a couple of years back and they repeatedly publicise the increases around Christmas. They don't lay the blame on the MSM though and I'd be inclined to listen to their expertise on the subject over the likes of Ben Shapiro...
Speaking of... it's as easy to find videos that 'prove' Shapiro wrong as it is to find those of him proving anything. He's a self publicist. That's what YouTubers are. I found some links for you which I'm sure you'll watch with an open mind...
https://youtu.be/iPJBYJTee9A - Notre dame
https://youtu.be/PRF3r3zUGqk - stroppy
https://youtu.be/mSWgyx3eX14 - meh
Took me all of five minutes to find these. I'd imagine someone with a right wing bias could have just as much success searching YouTube ... not that my opposition to the right wing makes me left wing of course (the Shapiro argument so I'm told)
Oh
And black lives? They matter. To everyday people who aren't fooled by the attempted hijacking of a positive ideal.
Peace and love
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In reply to Post #971
I hope Chariman Mal does not read that. Get ready
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In reply to Post #977
Firstly , if you think it's ok for someone to kneel on someones neck whilst they are restrained and wearing handcuffs whilst they die there is no helping you
second video , give idiots guns and they shoot people , America is a failing corrupt empire their corrupt corporate backed media like ours isn't fit for purpose so people are trying to fill the void , you have picked one side as it fits your ideology , which is becoming apparent now !
Steven Crowder , regarding Trump fake news or straight talker , a conservative and Libertarian , fired from Fox news , his bias is obvious !
We all know that Trump has highlighted fake news , i have mentioned it many times , it does not make him honest , just like Boris , they are populist leaders who will spout anything at any time , Bolsonaro (Brazil) and Modi (India ) used the same tactics to win their elections , tell the public anything , just as long as it's what they want to hear and they will vote for you , sound familiar ?
Don't think i need to comment on the bbc lies link , we know !
The last one Crowder again , backing a corporate agenda , i will let you work that one out .
Have a look at some countries that have not been as corrupted as the uk and America , like New Zealand , see how they are getting on
got one for you now , who influences the most people , the ones with the most money , right wing corporate backed feeds like the ones you have listed ,
link.
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In reply to Post #982
I’m sure you can find some, people do tend to record and upload speeches and political events quite often.
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In reply to Post #981
Any chance of a big long list of links to pre-referendum YT clips of David Davis, Farage, Tim Martin etc telling us how we'd get the best deal ever, really fast, no downside, german car industry, 'they need us' etc? They turned out to be spot-on, didn't they?
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In reply to Post #980
Ok thanks I’m glad I’ve met at least two open minded people on here.
Also in these YouTube videos they state sources that you can check so if you were to deny them I’d like to see what exactly they are denying and the reasons why.
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In reply to Post #978
Your a bit behind mate , we have discussed , numerous times on this thread and the covid thread everything that you have mentioned , as i said , the majority of people don't trust msm for obvious reasons .
I will have a look at your links
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In reply to Post #977
Your now about to be told YouTube is an unworthy source full of conspiracies and fake news but MSM is FACTS.......pure unadulterated FACTS.......
Happycarping........ don’t lose your head over the next few posts and don’t resort to insults......
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In reply to Post #977
Also I’d like to add that most who get there news from MSM take it on face value with no evidence or logic backing up their claims whereas all my sources and media show, explain and discuss the topics, evidence, logic, sources and facts.
We are the MSM you must believe us because why would we lie ?
How many of you have ever researched what you have heard from the MSM ?
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In reply to Post #976
https://youtu.be/V6plFlk1uTo
George floyd
https://youtu.be/gXixOQQwqug
Antifa
https://youtu.be/yITK_Bm78mI
Blm
https://youtu.be/W_vS5a8H0lE
Trump/fake news
https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E
Ben Shapiro proving bbc lies
https://youtu.be/g7TAAw3oQvg
Ben Shapiro proving the majority of Muslims in the world are radical and not moderate according to MSM and Obama/leftists
I can go on and on
But here’s one more
https://youtu.be/Q9RGzKZdi8Y
COVID death rates are wrong
Come at me or shut up here’s my evidence where is yours?
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In reply to Post #975
Can’t speak for HC.......but All news has an agenda or slight spin on it........me personally, I don’t bother with any news outlets.......the bigger picture is far more entertaining to consider if it’s plausible and a possibility ......
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In reply to Post #971
We all get our news and information from somewhere , so , where do you recommend , i think we all know , or the majority of us know where not to get our news from , so , where do you get yours from ?
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In reply to Post #973
No thank you, just another person waking up......it’s not easy as you have to scrutinise everything you have ever been told........most deny it because there brain can’t except it.......bit like yourself......
@ happycarpingdw - spot on
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In reply to Post #971
Wayne, your friend is here. Shall I send him down to the basement for you?
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In reply to Post #970
The MSM lie all the time it’s disgusting and something more needs to be done about it and their abuse of the platform they have.
Just look at the reason we went into lockdown, they said x died in 24 hours but after some research and digging (look up the nhs statistics of all deaths or you can request it with the right form from a magistrates) that number of deaths from supposedly just COVID was in fact the total amount of deaths which includes natural deaths so there was no need to go into lockdown.
The MSM and government are therefore responsible for the rise in crime such as drug abuse, alcohol abuse, domestic violence theft etc.
Then look at the drastic rise in suicides especially in young men and those with mental health issues.
Also some other topics to think about concerning the MSM.
George floyd, they spun it to make it look like the police killed him when in fact it turned out he died from an overdose and if you watch the full video which the MSM had but chose to edit before it became available online showed with their narrative a totally different story. He also had a rap sheet a mile long including serving time for holding a gun to a heavily pregnant woman’s stomach whilst his friends robbed her.
Then look at these so called peaceful protesters of blm and antifa but yet there is enough footage showing them looting rioting being racist attacking shooting and killing people.
The MSM are so corrupt and biased even look at the 2016 election there poles were completely wrong and Trump will win by an even bigger landslide this year.
Cmon would you really trust Biden ?
Also blm leaders are openly admitting to being racist and Marxist and you can find the footage even on YouTube but nothing has been done about them.
Look at antifa bringing guns and weapons to protests and admitting they will attack anyone a posing them.
The proof is there it’s not hard.
Please if you are just a believer of the MSM you are being used and manipulated.
Wake up
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In reply to Post #963
DT is a good guy......you will see it once you wake up Jonny..... wakey wakey
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afternoon all
don't be worrying about that nasty virus - we're all still ok for some posh barbarism...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/boxing-day-hunts-to-go-ahead-on-covid-secure-trails-13404140/
and a drinky poos after hours too
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/11/matt-hancock-joined-mps-for-curfew-breaking-glass-of-wine-at-commons-bar-13403825/
looking forward to the new 'new normal' later today
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In reply to Post #967
And jimmy krankie wants shot of her because she’s then in no position to hold it against English MPs for breaching the same rules. She hasn’t even got the high horse to ride of banning entry or enforcing quarantine of the English because they’re awash with covid too. Irritating little ****
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Covid makes you act like a ****, says **** MP
http://news.sky.com/story/margaret-ferrier-snp-mp-who-travelled-with-covid-says-virus-makes-you-do-things-out-of-character-12101409
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Anyone for pizza !
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In reply to Post #961
Yep , we tried that about 5 years ago , Goddard i think she was called . from New Zealand , and she was stone walled and was made to resign , and the evidence was lost , the corruption goes deep in this country !
The Wiki account of recent pedophile inquiries and investigations , bent bst**ds
A dossier on paedophiles allegedly associated with the British government was assembled by the British Member of Parliament Geoffrey Dickens, who handed it to the then-Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, in 1984. The whereabouts of the dossier is unknown, along with other files on organised child abuse that had been held by the Home Office.[1]
In 2013, the Home Office stated that all relevant information had been passed to the police, and that Dickens' dossier had not been retained. It was later disclosed that 114 documents concerning child abuse allegations were missing. In July 2014, the Labour Party called for a new inquiry into the way that the allegations had been handled, and the Prime Minister, David Cameron, ordered the permanent secretary of the Home Office, Mark Sedwill, to investigate the circumstances of the lost dossier.
On 7 July 2014, the Home Secretary, Theresa May, announced a review into the handling of historic child abuse allegations, to be led by Peter Wanless, chief executive of the NSPCC, and the establishment of a public panel inquiry into the duty of care taken in the protection of children from paedophiles by British public institutions, led by an independent panel of experts and chaired by Baroness Butler-Sloss. Butler-Sloss later stood down as chair of the inquiry.[2] On 5 September 2014, it was announced that it would instead be chaired by Fiona Woolf[3] but on 31 October 2014 she, too, resigned from the role.[4] On 4 February 2015 it was announced that the inquiry would be chaired by Justice Lowell Goddard, a New Zealand High Court judge. The existing panel would be disbanded, and the inquiry would be given new powers.[5] On 4 August 2016, she also resigned from the role
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In reply to Post #962
Tip of the iceberg........bit like Epstein and his elite chums.......
.... like Donald Trump? You're probably right.
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In reply to Post #959
Tip of the iceberg........bit like Epstein and his elite chums.......
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In reply to Post #960
That's why you have an independent inquiry. Who and why the independent members are chosen is a political decision. At least the CofE have endorsed the inquiry findings, so these predatory pedophiles will have nowhere to hide
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In reply to Post #959
The perpetrators of the crimes are protected not the victims
Clergy who were known pedophiles given positions in the church
But , when your politicians are at it and inquiries into them just evaporate into thin air time and time again ,what faith can we have in the system that is there to protect us
How much incriminating evidence is being sat on or lost , seems that you have to die first before your a pedophile
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Absolutely shocking report on The Church of England by the Independent Inquiry into Child Sex Abuse. Between 1940-2018 there were 390 convictions of clergy and church leaders. **** knows how many unconvicted. The report added " Alleged perpetrators were often given more support than victims"
Wonder how Tommy R and the boys missed that???
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Some of the news not making the headlines today ,some of today's testimony from Julian Assange's extradition hearing
.Twenty minutes sufficed for the reading of the “gist” of the astonishing testimony of two witnesses, their identity protected as their lives may be in danger, who stated that the CIA, operating through Sheldon Adelson, planned to kidnap or poison Assange, bugged not only him but his lawyers, and burgled the offices of his Spanish lawyers Baltazar Garzon. This evidence went unchallenged and untested.
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In reply to Post #956
Beauty that
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In reply to Post #954
Swap the bottle for a nice Sauvignon and send the nurse down in suspenders I’d be happy
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In reply to Post #953
You ok now , do you need your oxygen bottle and nurse ?
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In reply to Post #952
Niver?
And breathe
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In reply to Post #951
Open your eyes man , if you can't see where we are and where we are going your an idiot !
Massive changes are required
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In reply to Post #950
end of the year and next year when jobs go because of covid
Jobs to go from where I work
Like you say, the start of things to come. Also a perfect opportunity for businesses to streamline and also move them abroad
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In reply to Post #916
Which half would they be then.......? Calling it now, gonna be a load of discontented UKIP/leave/tory voters come the end of the year and next year when jobs go because of covid and brexit after they sign on for good old Universal Credit and see how little they will get after paying their taxes for all of their lives.
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In reply to Post #948
Well if it wasnt so f*cking **** ...
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In reply to Post #947
The only passion you have is complaining about everything in the UK
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In reply to Post #946
You do know your sad little digs don’t work right? I mean I’ve told you before multiple times but if your mental capacity is so limited you can’t remember or process it then probably best to make it known so people don’t just think you’re an ignorant old fool.
What I find funny is that someone like yourself that has a defeatist attitude and no aspirations or drive thinks that attempting to belittle someone that does have passion, drive and aspirations somehow makes you superior to them.
It in fact just shows what a sad little pathetic bream you are and why no one has respect for you
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In reply to Post #945
Don't forget, Narcissistic
Get some help
Still laughing to myself about my comments yesterday, a piss take about you being the Prime Minister, and you were serious
Edit - Here you go:
I think we have all thought about being PM at some point. I’d never make it because I wouldn’t want to be part of any of the current parties. Name the last independent PM.
Maybe start your own party since you are such a pioneer. Monster raving snowflake loonies?
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In reply to Post #944
Yeah you better had
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In reply to Post #943
Best leave it for the clever people eh
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In reply to Post #942
Triggered
Ken’s post that the TRUE Joe conservative lives with a load of **** and then says ‘oh well at least i have freedom’ doesn’t show anything but your defeatist attitude and proves my point. But you’re too caught up in being a sheep to see that aren’t you.
Without people driving for change civilisation as it is today wouldn’t exist. No medicines, no laws, no freedoms...
You’re right, you do need help...you’re defeatist attitude has already tied the noose, just need someone to kick the stool, I hear Boris is keen
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In reply to Post #941
What a dip **** you are
The point where, there will always be a counter argument to the **** that idiots like you preach
One word to describe you. Narcissistic
Need some help
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In reply to Post #940
Including rape, murder and paedophilia?
Sicko
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In reply to Post #938
I think you missed Kens point. Google is a magical thing, for every wrong you will find a right
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In reply to Post #934
Remind me again why the defeatist attitude you have is the best way? Because nothing you’re proud of would exist if everyone followed your advice
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In reply to Post #933
Think you missed the point, following yesterday’s discussion it is making the point that the “just accept it and crack on” attitude gets us nowhere and the things people are proud of in this country have come about because people have stood up and demanded change. We wouldn’t have them if everyone conformed to the defeatist attitude.
Also the examples in your post are so out of date and out of touch it’s barely relevant anymore. Kids working at 12 - illegal, having to pay for PPE out your own pocket - breaches many laws, working hour regulations, sexual harassment laws, missing prayer time means you’re fired?
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In reply to Post #936
Who is that then G?
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In reply to Post #934
The person who was going to reset it .
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In reply to Post #933
Capitalism needs re setting as the Financial times stated last year , it has become too corrupted and is now a negative in it's current form to the majority !
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In reply to Post #932
Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government socialists ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”
To quote from below
Sometimes you need to know your limitations. Only so much an individual can influence. Governments deal with politics, remind me again who you voted for?
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In reply to Post #932
We can all copy and paste.
By the way this is years old and from an American political website just proving there are arguments on both sides so in fact to have two sides proves nothing will ever be accomplished.
A Day in the Life of a True Conservative
Joe Conservative wakes up in the morning and goes to the bathroom. He flushes his toilet and brushes his teeth, mindful that each flush & brush costs him about 43 cents to his privatized water provider. His wacky, liberal neighbor keeps badgering the company to disclose how clean and safe their water is, but no one ever finds out. Just to be safe, Joe Conservative boils his drinking water.
Joe steps outside and coughs–the pollution is especially bad today, but the smokiest cars are the cheapest ones, so everyone buys ‘em. Joe Conservative checks to make sure he has enough toll money for the 3 different private roads he must drive to work. There is no public transportation, so traffic is backed up and his 10 mile commute takes an hour.
On the way, he drops his 12 year old daughter off at the clothing factory she works at. Paying for kids to go to private school until they’re 18 is a luxury, and Joe needs the extra income coming in. Times are hard and there’re no social safety nets.
He gets to work 5 minutes late and misses the call for Christian prayer, and is immediately docked by his employer. He is not feeling well today, but has no health insurance, since neither his employer nor his government provide it, and paying for it himself is really expensive, since he has a precondition. He just hopes for the best.
Joe’s workday is 12 hours long, because there is no regulation over working hours, and Joe will lose his job if he complains or unionizes. Today is an especially bad day. Joe’s manager demands that he work until midnight, a 16 hour day. Joe does, knowing that he’ll lose his job if he does not.
Finally, after midnight, Joe gets to pick up his daughter and go home. His daughter shows him the deep cut she got on the industrial sewing machine today. Joe is outraged and asks why she doesn’t have metal mesh gloves or other protection. She says the company will not provide it and she’ll have to pay for it out of her own pocket. Joe looks at the wound and decides they’ll use an over the counter disinfectant and bandages until it heals. She’ll have a scar, but getting stitches at the emergency room is expensive.
His daughter also complains that the manager made suggestive overtures towards her. Joe counsels her to be a “good girl” and not rock the boat, or she’ll get fired and they’ll be out the income.
His daughter says she can’t wait until she’s 18 so she can vote for change or go to the Iraq War.
They get home and there’s a message from his elderly father who can’t afford to pay his medical or heating bills. Joe can hear him coughing and shivering.
Joe turns on the radio and the top story is a proposal in Congress to raise the voting age to 25. A rare liberal opinionator states that it’s an attempt to keep power out of the hands of working class Americans. The conservative host immediately quashes him, calling him “a utopian idealist,” and agreeing that people aren’t mature enough to make good choices until they’re at least 25.
Joe chuckles at the wine-swilling, cheese eating liberal egghead and thinks, “Thank God I live in America where I have freedom!”
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A DAY IN THE LIFE OF JOE CONSERVATIVE
Joe gets up for work and fills his kettle with water to prepare his morning tea. The water is clean because some tree-hugger fought for minimum water-quality standards.
With his first swig, he takes his daily medication. His medicine is safe to take, because some stupid commie fought to ensure their safety and that they work as advertised.
He prepares his bacon and eggs. Joe’s bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meatpacking industry.
In his morning shower, Joe reaches for the shampoo. His bottle is labelled with each ingredient because some crybaby fought for his right to know what he was putting on his body and how much it contained.
Joe dresses, walks outside and takes a deep breath. The air he breathes is clean because some environmentalist wacko fought for laws to stop industries from polluting our air.
Joe drives to work in a safe regulated car because meddling do-gooders fought for more safety features and standards.
Joe begins his workday. He has a good job with excellent pay, pension, paternity leave, paid holidays and sick pay because some union layabouts fought and died for these working standards.
Joe hurts himself at work and an ambulance takes him to A&E. He receives free-at-the-point-of-use treatment thanks to some bloody interfering trots who decided to create a National Health Service.
Joe gets home and relaxes by listening to the radio. The host reminds everyone that socialists are dangerous and conservatives are trustworthy. He never mentions that the Conservatives have fought against every protection and benefit Joe enjoyed throughout his day.
Joe agrees: “We don’t need those big-government socialists ruining our lives! After all, I’m a self-made man who believes everyone should take care of themselves, just like I have.”
Joe lives in blissful ignorance.
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In reply to Post #930
My handicap is the 19th hole
Nice to see you back
**** off
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In reply to Post #929
I was going to ask what your handicap was but we don't want another huge list that takes you two posts to complete...
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In reply to Post #928
**** off
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In reply to Post #925
The most middle class weapon on the market
Strikes fear into any intruder seeing a bloke with a side parting, m&s pyjamas and a 4 iron leap out at them
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In reply to Post #926
You know what, if you have, well done
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In reply to Post #923
Don’t be too embarrassed. You asked and you got your answer, I’ve changed a lot already and will continue to do so in the future.
If I had the platform to make changes in other areas then I would, sadly I don’t and I become one of many voices that form a larger group that ask for that change.
I think we have all thought about being PM at some point. I’d never make it because I wouldn’t want to be part of any of the current parties. Name the last independent PM.
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In reply to Post #924
Sword and Knuckle duster sounds good
Beats my old 4 iron that I keep at the back of the bedroom door
I’d rather live in a society where it’s possible for all to have a comfortable existence without it being necessary to have a list of handouts as long as my...... phone screen
Agree, we need jobs
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In reply to Post #915
I’d rather live in a society where it’s possible for all to have a comfortable existence without it being necessary to have a list of handouts as long as my...... phone screen.
I do however sleep at night feeling safe. But that’s because I’ve got a 5ft sword and knuckle duster in the divan base and two 5 lever locks on the door
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In reply to Post #922
The stuff of legend
Ever thought about being the Prime minister
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In reply to Post #921
Plenty, the health and resilience of my local river is a good start, influence on local planning policy, influence on government and local council spending on the environment, restoration of heritage, community involvement with nature... just the main headers, I won’t go in to individual species, sites and communities
Let me know how it feels to call someone out only to be made to look a fool
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In reply to Post #920
Sometimes you need to know your limitations. Only so much an individual can influence. Governments deal with politics, remind me again who you voted for?
Other than spout ****. Tell me again what you have changed?
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In reply to Post #919
Yep, some just get on with it despite the issues and pretend it’s all hunky dory.
A defeatist attitude.
Funny you mention all those things because they wouldn’t exist if everyone shared your “just deal with it” attitude would they.
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In reply to Post #918
Why because some people just choose to get on with their lives lol
Louder the voice is the more likely change happens...or people just try to censor it of course.
Sums you up perfectly
Like I said, nice to know we are different. Good luck with your 10,000 problems
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In reply to Post #917
A rather defeatist attitude isn’t it? Just getting on with it regardless of the ****.
Clearly how people differ. Some accept and some want change.
Louder the voice is the more likely change happens...or people just try to censor it of course.
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In reply to Post #916
One thing I have realised Wayne is my upbringing is very different to others. I have been brought up to respect our country, heritage and values. get a job and work hard because nobody owes you anything. I get the impression some people would much rather look for things to complain about and moan how **** it is over here than just get on with it
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In reply to Post #915
You know what’s great about all those things you listed Scozza.......you can simply come here via dingy and claim half of them from your lovely hotel.......
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In reply to Post #914
And more
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Sure Start Maternity Grant
Sure Start Maternity Grant - fill in online and print
Sure Start Maternity Grant helpline- Tel: 0800 169 0140
The new State Pension
Additional State Pension
State Pension - calculator for age and amount
State Pension - apply online
State Pension - print and fill in
State Pension helpline- Tel: 0800 731 7898
Statutory Maternity Pay
Statutory Maternity Pay - to claim tell your employer in writing (if they request it) within the correct notice period
Statutory Paternity Pay
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Statutory Redundancy Pay
Statutory Redundancy Pay - calculator
Contact your employer to make sure you receive what you are entitled to
Contact ACAS for help and advice – Tel: 0300 123 1100
If your employer is insolvent contact the Insolvency Service- Tel: 0330 331 0020
Statutory Sick Pay
Statutory Sick Pay - to claim tell your employer in writing (if they request it) and by their deadline (or within 7 days if they don't have one)
Support for Mortgage Interest
Contact the office which pays your benefit:
Jobcentre Plus- Tel: 0800 169 0310
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Not to mention freedom of speech and going to bed feeling safe on a night. I could go on and on and on
And then think about those in Peru for example the other day on the news, absolutely **** all
Yeah, rubbish here ain’t it
Let’s not mention quality of life in comparison eh
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One thing I learned from a different forum is that i was stupid enough to even waste time arguing.
I deleted my account, still watch what is happening and see things that I now think are so so stupid.
Ain’t worth it, life’s to short to be arguing against a fcuking armchair.
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In reply to Post #911
it's only a fishing forum at the end of the day, well it's supposed to be anyway
True
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In reply to Post #905
Good advice Ian but it will fall on deaf ears.
Sometimes you just have to be the bigger person by letting someone else have the last word , it's only a fishing forum at the end of the day, well it's supposed to be anyway
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In reply to Post #908
Hope you've got a locked up set up Noj, your rods getting ripped in the lake mate within minutes
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In reply to Post #908
The real meaning: the quality of being patriotic; devotion to and vigorous support for one's country.
I think myself very lucky and respect what we have in this magnificent country when I look at the rest of the world's **** holes. Others should too, we are fortunate
If you don't like it you should all **** off and live somewhere better, less moaning ****s about
Oh, wait a minute, there isn't anything anywhere is there
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In reply to Post #906
Ssssh.. don’t let them know that white supremacy isn’t patriotism
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In reply to Post #902
Think the only person with issues here is you... feeling uncomfortable about being patriotic and acting like its a big issue when it isn't
Keep bringing the insults, just like scozza did, because I'll tell you what I told him...it doesnt bother me, it only serves to make yourself look more the fool.
You seem mighty triggered still....go tuck in to your union jack lunchbox from the safety of your home, y'know the only place you can safely do it
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In reply to Post #903
There's plenty of people abou mate that think they own the definition of the word patriotic. It's an increasing number around the world in recent times unfortunately. They don't and never will, the ones that think they do are generally as you describe
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I think you should all agree to disagree and leave it there, whether you're right, middle or left with your political views whatever race, skin colour or religion you are you'll never agree as past, future, present and this thread shows opinions and everyone has the right to their own, are like *******s everybody has one.
Well possibly definitely not everyone as an ******* as some people might have a birth defect or have medical issues but lets not go there.
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In reply to Post #903
Eloquently put Jon
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In reply to Post #893
I wish I could but understandably countries that are desirable to live in don’t let in rabble.
Sometimes I think being patriotic about this dump means you’re either well off enough not to encounter real life, a fool or a racist.
I know there are exceptions but you have to admit, while we enjoy freedoms and culture not seen elsewhere in the world, it’s an island inhabited by ****s
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In reply to Post #901
No I'll have the last word this time for a change.
What's all this strikethrough nonsense, I'll assume you have some sort of cognitive problem so instead of being triggered I shall have pity on you instead.
See what I done there
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In reply to Post #898
Imagine getting triggered and then saying you aren't. Only you getting irate about something someone said to you isn't it...about maybe looking beyond your own little issue of feeling uncomfortable.
I know what you've posted in response to plenty of things on here and from what I based my statement on that. If you come across different to who you actually are then maybe stop portraying yourself as something you aren't may be a good idea if you don't want your feelings hurt in future.
I do love the little trick you try and pull about someone else having the last word to make it seem like you are somehow on some higher moral ground than others. Lets be honest, all it is you saying something and then running to hide under the stairs because for whatever reason you cant hold a conversation about what you just said
Guess I've had the last word though because you're probably already under the stairs tucking in to your union jack themed lunchbox because it's where you feel safe enough to have it out.
last words are.... you should go fishing more
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In reply to Post #894
Well said
They like to try and stereotype people
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In reply to Post #886
Fair enough.
In the wider world. What a chaotic response from the EU, USA, Canada and the UK to the escalating and very dangerous situation in Belarus. UK and Canada impose sanctions, the EU can't agree on sanctions because Cyprus wants to tag its own issues with Turkey onto the sanctions. Trump as usual is all over the place. Very brave people clearly the Belarusians trying to rip themselves out of Putin's sphere of influence. A united set of targeted sanctions could easily see the dictator Lukashenko fall and not a lot Putin could do. A chaotic response risk's emboldening Putin/Lukashenko and the Belarusian people will end up in a dark place.
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In reply to Post #897
Do you have cognitive problems?
Reread your last post. You don't know me.
As for triggering I sit here and see Wayne triggering the lot of you
You can have the last word. I know you won't be able to resist
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You lot get so triggered
Think beyond your own little problem and realise it’s not uncommon for people to feel uncomfortable for various things that they cannot chose to wear or show. At least you have a choice. Many don’t.
Maybe a little thought and you’ll realise how tiny it is compared to what others have to deal with
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In reply to Post #887
Im assuming nothing......you wrote a statement.....making assumptions......
Yeah yeah spanky.......what’s your link of the day.....
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In reply to Post #891
Wish I hadn’t mentioned anything now So do I
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In reply to Post #889
I was going to keep quiet but that is a number of outrageous assumptions
Shame on you, you don't really know me
I've said what I wanted to say so don't expect me to have a debate about what you think of me
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In reply to Post #891
Well **** off
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In reply to Post #889
Nobody is moaning?
It a personal observation and my thoughts on what I said below about the UJ being used muppets. Couldn't see myself walking down a quite and peaceful lake district street wearing one
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Wish I hadn’t mentioned anything now
For what it’s worth I wouldn’t wear a Union Jack or St. George’s cross. Or own anything with it on, for no other reason than I think it’s tacky.
I’m not proud to be British and would go as far as to say I can’t stand the bloody place
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In reply to Post #888
Much better to drop random links in that are irrelevant to the thread at the time and then rant about politics all the time
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In reply to Post #888
it's funny how these 3 are moaning about feeling uncomfortable IF they CHOSE to wear a UJ or St George's cross flag in any form...
Yet showed little sympathy for those that have a different nationality or skin colour who cannot chose whether they display it or not and then feel uncomfortable and have abuse both verbal and physical directed towards them because of it.
A tiny fraction of how they feel is exactly how people of different skin colour, nationality, sexuality, gender, etc. feel every single day when they step out the house because it isn't limited to geographical areas where they are likely to be abused, it could be anywhere.
But of course it is the "poor old british me in my own country" brigade that obviously have it the worst...
Something to think about lads...
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In reply to Post #887
He doesn't want to join in with the adults or add anything to a constructive argument , his theories and ideology revolve around childish pathetic jibes solely designed to get a rise and nothing else , best left alone when discussing adult topics i'm sad to say !
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In reply to Post #885
Are you assuming that you know exactly what I’m assuming? That’s a big assumption from you. You should know better about assuming things on this forum Wayne.
We can stick to facts only... the main reason the UJ and St. George’s Cross are seen in a negative light by a very small minority is their links to far right extremist groups such as BNP, EDL, etc. So as I said, if you feel uncomfortable wearing them then have a word with farage, Tommy Robinson and the other leaders of those groups as it’s their fault.
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In reply to Post #884
I could do that but knowing how some behave I'll identify a place and it'll kick off and I'm not in the mood.
Some people take certain flags the wrong way, even waving a flag at the Proms or a Brexit rally sets some people off .
I just want to go about my business and don't want any bother so I'm not comfortable wearing a Union flag where I don't know people.
That's it I'm done, no tit tatting, you can say what you want I've got other things on my mind at the moment.
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In reply to Post #883
We all know exactly what your assuming along with chairman Mal, Boris lover spanky and Brexit Jonny.......
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In reply to Post #882
You could obviously elaborate as to why you're uncomfortable wearing a Union Flag in other area's of the country. But don't mean the area's of the country pointed out where you almost certainly would.
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In reply to Post #881
Assuming I’m assuming... the chain of assumptions ever lengthens.
I say ban the lot.
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In reply to Post #880
I wasn't thinking or referring to those areas you mentioned and for that reason you reply doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
You obviously have made up your mind on the subject so I see little point in carrying on.
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In reply to Post #876
Assumptions after assumptions.......
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In reply to Post #878
There's plenty in those area's of this country that'd make you feel uncomfortable wearing a Union Flag so why not those I wonder
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In reply to Post #874
You mean like The Falls road West Belfast or Toryglen Glasgow. For Union Flag wearing?
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In reply to Post #875
Ask the geezer with a fully kitted out mobility scooter shouting at foreigners in the town centre about going back to their own country...
Then again if far right extremist group hadnt have adopted them as badges and logos then maybe no one would think anything of them. Probably need to have words with farage and Tommy Robinson about that though.
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In reply to Post #872
I saw so many British and English flags all over on the run up to the Brexit referendum. Not done out of pride, otherwise they'd have always been on display surely? Done to say "We should leave the EU and you're not welcome anymore"
Is that an assumption.......You should know better than assuming......
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In reply to Post #873
Yes let's hope it stays that way and things actually improve so in certain parts I no longer feel uncomfortable.
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In reply to Post #869
Good job many GB sports teams and fans don't see it the same as you and the Google post #871
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In reply to Post #871
The only incidents I know of locally where the british or english flag has been subject to complaint is when it has been used in an inflammatory way. E.g. I saw so many British and English flags all over on the run up to the Brexit referendum. Not done out of pride, otherwise they'd have always been on display surely? Done to say "We should leave the EU and you're not welcome anymore"
Normally the people complaining are themselves british too funnily enough because they actually think of others and not just themselves.
Nothing wrong with being patriotic, everything wrong with being patriotic to get a racist/xenophobic point across.
Scozza, buying a UJ mask to wear because its the only design you liked is fine, if you'd chosen to buy it so you could wear it to make a point to foreigners that they arent welcome however, well that would be perfectly acceptable for someone to complain about.
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In reply to Post #869
Google 'Is the union jack racist' and you'll find plenty saying that it can cause problems, the George Cross even more so.
Might depend on where you live?
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In reply to Post #868
Its an immunity to your pathetic comments that I need to build up
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In reply to Post #867
Thought you were a proud Britain?
I certainly am
Or are you buying in to the apparent “we aren’t allowed to be British” rhetoric that the right wing spout?
lets say I wouldn't feel comfortable in it. Maybe it has had the wrong image portrayed by a few minority extreme groups, hence i can see it ending up being banned sadly or future campaigns against it
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In reply to Post #866
Perhaps you've built up an immunity to the smell of it given your regular spouting....
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In reply to Post #864
Thought you were a proud Britain? Why does it matter what message it sends out to anyone? Or are you buying in to the apparent “we aren’t allowed to be British” rhetoric that the right wing spout?
Don’t think anyone ever has said the Union Jack should be abolished? Apart from The Scots wanting independence of course.
No one finds the flags offensive, no one cares, the only people that assume they do are right wingers looking for a reason to shout.
Wear it and don’t worry. You won’t be attacked or abused like people are that have a different skin colour, nationality, sexuality, etc.
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In reply to Post #865
Strange, I never knew pigs smelt of bull****
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Sniff sniff ...
Is that boiled ham I can smell? No...
Pulled pork? No...
Grilled bacon? No...
Got it! ... it's triggered gammon.
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In reply to Post #863
I wouldn't include northern but your right
Until Mr sensitive can call everybody a racist to oppress freedom of speech he wont be happy, like a few thousand others
If were not careful It will get to the point we wont be able to speak without vetting it through a solicitor first in their world
Here's a story. I went on holiday the other week and my missus was looking at face masks in a shop. She bought a couple of fancy printed ones. She asked me if I wanted one, not much that I liked, they did have a union jack one that I thought looked smart but I declined. Afterwards we were discussing it, the reason I did not buy it, I thought to myself, walking down the street with that on will send out mixed messages!
How bad is that in our own country with our national flag
Still, when they abolish the union jack it will be another step forward for the snowflakes
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In reply to Post #862
It's what I was trying to say in Post#851
You could go further and say if he was fat, bald, ginger, northern, hippy etc you would add **** to it.
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In reply to Post #858
No racist rant from me. Its what the news said initially. I referred to him as a Somalian **** for what he had done, think nationality, add ****. a point of reference, that simple
And you jump on your bandwagon
You really are pathetic Snowflake, feeling oppressed?
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In reply to Post #854
A friend of mine was injured in the IRA Warrington bombings in 93, scarred for life. A very good mate Phil, a scaffolder, was severely injured in the legs and had a 16mm bolt lodged in his skull that required brain surgery after the Manchester MEN bombing. Same carnage regardless of race, colour, religions, country of birth. Sympathy for the slain police officers friends and family from me, it won't matter to them what colour, religion or where the **** was from that took him away.
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In reply to Post #859
You've surely got first hand experience of using plenty from the way you whine on
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Not aimed at any one person in particular but thought this might come in handy for some?
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In reply to Post #854
Do you know what is pathetic?
That some people spout racist bull and then get all wound up when it's pointed out to them.
I said in my first post on the subject that his nationality didn't matter. It was you who jumped on the false information that he was Somalian and then went on your racist rant because that's what you repeatedly do. If the report had simply said a man from South Norwood then you wouldn't have gone on a rant about 'British ****s' and all the 'our country' crap you've borrowed from your local bnp branch.
You post your nasty little bits of vitriol then get offended when it's rightly pointed out as being prejudiced.
Happy to be part of the 'I'm not racist but...' brigade but not to have to confront it
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In reply to Post #856
No, I guess it strengthens your anti-government views
Or is it anti-conservative?
How about Blair and his goings on in the middle east, what do you think?
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In reply to Post #855
Does that qualify me to be a snowflake ,
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In reply to Post #854
Sad thing is that we could of been free of terrorism had it not been for our idiotic interventions in the middle east and still the elephant in the room at the Manchester arena bombing inquiry , no mention of our government , under Cameron ,the use of middle eastern migrants being radicalized whilst they come and go freely to fight Qadaffi and Assad .
Our secret services warned Cameron that this would happen
Luckily my neice couldn't get a ticket to the concert , but her friend is still traumatized by the events , she had a childs fingers stuck in her hair
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In reply to Post #852
You made that call and association you fool. If he was a Somalian he would probably be black. And your point is? How should we refer to them? Country of origin or region OK?
You really are pathetic aren’t you snowflake. You will play and play that race card until nobody feels comfortable saying anything, is that what you want, is that your only strength
Bit of a track record though the last few terrorist attacks haven’t they, all these foreigners ethnicity, there's another fact for you. The IRA seems long gone. Let’s not mention religious believes either eh, another fact for you. I mean, the controversy!
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In reply to Post #852
I suppose it's down to how we individually deal with it.
I deal with it by saying he's a half British and half Sri Lanken **** and at the age of of 23 it'll save a lot of tax payers money if we string him up.
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In reply to Post #851
My original post on it made it clear that I didn't care about his race or nationality and that what he did was terrible.
The debate regards to colour, race and nationality is obviously in response to the inevitable race related ***** that I also commented on.
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In reply to Post #850
Can’t see any problem myself
If the BBC had reported he was Somalian he’d be a Somalian ****
If the BBC had reported he was British he’d be a British ****
If the BBC had reported he was a ……you must be getting it by now
He killed a policeman so Just string the **** up and be done with it
PS Not sure why you feel the need to mention it but he doesn't look very white to me
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In reply to Post #845
Of course yeah.
You obviously thought he was one of those infamous white Somalian terrorists.
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And i am sick to death of all the anti Trump rhetoric on the news , we know our establishment , like the American establishment want to see the back of him , we know he's a nob , a solid 30 mins on trump and the dark arts of Cambridge analytica , no mention of the same dark arts in our last election though !
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The negative influence of unchecked corporate power is crippling democracies around the world at the moment ,
Joke leaders are everywhere at the moment and it is no coincidence ,
We are witnessing the death of an empire , reaching peak corruption in America as we are here in the uk , it is becoming unsustainable .
How far to the right will they take us in the UK , as far as America
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In reply to Post #846
I’ve mentioned it a few times. Whilst Boris was preaching about freedom of media when XR blocked the route to the printers, assange was on trial for using the right for freedom of media for its purpose of exposing wrongdoings. Hypocritical much? The puppet masters have total control over their chosen fools right now. Media blackout of a trial that threatens the very fibres of journalism? How is that even possible?
A truly worrying time globally...one step closer to total control of the populations.
New censorship guidelines for education set to kickstart a fake version of history being taught to children.
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From the show case trial of Assange , avoided by the media
It is hard to believe, but Judge Baraitser on Friday ruled that there will be no closing speeches in the Assange extradition hearing. She accepted the proposal initially put forward by counsel for the US government, that closing arguments should simply be submitted in writing and without an oral hearing. This was accepted by the defence, as they need time to address the new superseding indictment in the closing arguments, and Baraitser was not willing for oral argument to take place later than 8 October. By agreeing to written arguments only, the defence gained a further three weeks to put together the closing of their case.
But this entire hearing has been conducted in effective secrecy, a comprehensive secrecy that gives sharp insight into the politico-economic structures of current western society. Physical access to the courtroom has been extremely limited, with the public gallery cut to five people. Video link access has similarly been extremely limited, with 40 NGOs having their access cut by the judge from day 1 at the Old Bailey, including Amnesty International, PEN, Reporters without Borders and observers from the European Parliament, among many others. The state and corporate media have virtually blacked out this hearing, with a truly worrying unanimity, and despite the implications of the case for media freedom. Finally, the corporations that act as internet gatekeepers have heavily suppressed social media posts about Assange, and traffic to those few websites which are reporting
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In reply to Post #838
I saw it on the BBC news, fancy them getting it wrong. So he is some half bred Sir Lanken British **** then
And you put the brown in it
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In reply to Post #840
Autistic and mental health issues...born in Britain, educated at a private catholic school for boys... far cry the the Somalian terrorist immigrant first being touted by the right wing media
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In reply to Post #842
$70k that's why Boris doesn't have his hair done it would cost double that!
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In reply to Post #839
Bill Gates seems quite happy to have paid over $10bn in tax, and says the rich, including him, should pay more.
Trump, on the other hand, claimed back $70k for hair styling
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In reply to Post #837
Don't worry I'm sure he's not penniless just yet, I'm sure he'll find ways to bolster his bank balance.
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In reply to Post #838
I don't care where he comes from string the **** up
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In reply to Post #837
A billionaire a tax dodger or playing by the rules that allow him to like Most billionaires and huge corporations.....
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In reply to Post #832
Yeah...
Imagine if you had posted a rant about him because you thought he was brown and foreign only for the 'facts' to be different. ..
You'd look like a real 'idiot' wouldn't you?
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So Trump's either been exposed as a massive tax dodger, or has lost millions and is nearly skint.
Either way,
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In reply to Post #835
None of them are to be fair, all in it for their own reasons, from the very top down to the bottom, local councillors being the worst in my experience.
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In reply to Post #831
I hope you are not trying to state that Boris is honest
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In reply to Post #833
British National, born here, is what’s reported. Middle class family.
Suppose only he would be able to tell you why he had a gun and shot a police officer.
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In reply to Post #832
British citizenship then?
Said in the news he was a Somalian originally, hence my comments. See what comes out over the next few days
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In reply to Post #824
Sri Lankan father and British mother, lived here his entire life... wonder how the “let’s blame his nationality” brigade will cope with that
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In reply to Post #830
Best to be upfront rather than subtle and risk getting found out, people admire honesty
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In reply to Post #828
Where the fu** do you find people like that , oh yes America ! seen the one about the veterans coming back from Iraq before , surprised She didn't get her head blown off !
Tinhead , he is not very subtle , sorry , the guy is a clown
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In reply to Post #827
See he's not the idiot you make him out to be is he?
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In reply to Post #827
Chill out G. Watch. Louis Theroux, far more entertaining
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How to avoid scrutiny , Boris style !
Former Daily Mail editor to become Ofcom chairman
Former Telegraph editor to become BBC chairman
Andrew Neil to front Fox News style UK clone
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In reply to Post #824
To be fair Jon, only what I saw on the news. If I am wrong I am happy to apologise to any offended Somalians. He is is a foreigner though. I never discussed his country of origin with my other half.
A few errors sadly. Ha was on a watch list though
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In reply to Post #824
The daily fail... so unreliable that even Wikipedia has banned it from being used as a source.
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In reply to Post #820
Yeah once that line is crossed there’s no going back scozza, terrorists should be executed no questions asked.
Although this bloke was potentially just on the terror watch list but the incident was the result of a different motive or, as you say, he was nuts.
Edit- the copy of the mail at the in-laws place says he is believed to be Sri Lankan and had been in contact with a program to prevent vulnerable people being radicalised. Possible links to right wing and Islamist terrorism but no evidence for them to charge or investigate further.
Though they aren’t the most reliable source
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In reply to Post #818
Your not far off with that. Sure it will be released soon
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In reply to Post #818
Strip search and internal examination for everyone that enters a police station then in the future
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In reply to Post #817
Don’t dispute that Jon, watched a program the other night on the place, horrendous, murder is a daily occurrence. Loads in Sheffield, loads of trouble too.
There’s nuts and terrorism, slashing each other up with a knife because they don’t know any difference is one thing. Terrorism and hate for our society and our people is another
Initially the news said he was Somalian when I first heard it
The real ongoings, what happened I heard from another source
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In reply to Post #816
Sorry not as clever as you, seeing as I've never lived in the US and so wouldn't know for sure I'll hand things over to you for the answers as you know everything.
By the way in case your superiority complex gets in the way that was sarcasm
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In reply to Post #793
Quiet all over because of internal investigations I presume. As scozza said one or a number of officers have properly f’d up. Scozza will likely be able to get the exacts from his other half but police procedure when finding ammunition is to call in firearms officers to the scene and carry out more than a quick search on scene in case a firearm is present. Doesn’t seem like that happened from what’s been reported.
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In reply to Post #815
Went to school with and know some Somalian lads. They’ve had a tough ride. Some seen their parents killed in front of them, one trod on a land mine and lost his leg, abuse, domestic violence..
Not defending terrorists, but you can see why some somalians are nuts.
Is this latest bloke definitely Somalian??
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In reply to Post #814
I don't know, if, all, might..
Very convincing.
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In reply to Post #802
Jon - Posting anything on here where people of different races or nationalities is concerned only serves to bring the racist bull out eventually - it doesn't need to be as tragic as this story. Any excuse will do
Listen snowflake. What’s up, doesn’t it fit with you agenda? He is a Somalian, FACT!
Same as the **** behind the Manchester bomb, Same as the **** who killed one of our soldiers, I could go on, you know, immigrants living in our country who carried out terror attacks
What has happened is a real tragedy.
What has also happened though, it triggers feelings deep inside people who are just totally sick of it all
As does the comments you come out with, yeah, racism, remind me again where they are from, idiot
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In reply to Post #812
I don't know. If you got hanged for killing a copper in all states of the US then it might make a difference.
I think it would make more of a difference over here though.
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In reply to Post #810
They do those too but I prefer them stewed with chilli vinegar and white pepper
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In reply to Post #806
Besides the hanging might be a deterrent to some?
Doesn't really seem to be the case with the death penalty in the US, does it?
Mind you, no doubt the re-introduction of the death penalty would walk it at a referendum on the subject. Lawyers' fees, appeals and the possibility of killing innocent people ... who cares? Focus on the headlines, worked with brexit.
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Anyone heard of CANZUK ? possible trade alliance between UK , NZ , Australia and Canada .
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In reply to Post #809
Got to be preferable to those bloody jellied eels over the other side though eh?
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In reply to Post #808
The pie and mash in Croydon don’t need to make their pies any more questionable thanks
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In reply to Post #807
Or Sweeney Todd and Mrs Lovett?
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In reply to Post #806
Always thought that thing Javier Bardem has in no country for old men and a pig farm would be a cost effective method
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In reply to Post #799
If life meant life then it would depend on how old the prisoner was and how many years he will live.
£37,500 for a 'normal' prison per year and £63,000 for a top security.
Besides the hanging might be a deterrent to some?
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In reply to Post #798
I don't need to, I know what would have happened.
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In reply to Post #797
Well said
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In reply to Post #802
I actually didn’t think it through all that well did I
It’s no more than 15-20 mins from me and somewhere I’ve lived.. I did say before that knives and guns are rife round this way, I wasn’t wrong
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In reply to Post #797
Absolutely. I heard the news on the drive home from work and was disgusted. Regardless of nationality or colour. A criminal shot a police officer and that is awful. THAT is a fact. I thought Prince Charles spoke well at the memorial service for Police officers
I'm not in agreement on the death penalty but I can see why some people are. Obviously it doesn't sit right with me. And our police, conviction, judicial and legal systems are just too imperfect to be the basis for a 100 per cent certainty. Perhaps that's a different debate.
Jon - Posting anything on here where people of different races or nationalities is concerned only serves to bring the racist bull out eventually - it doesn't need to be as tragic as this story. Any excuse will do.
Noj - now look what you did. Internet privileges cut for you now young man.
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In reply to Post #797
I know that mate, just a bit surprised it’s not being discussed... then scozza came along and reminded me it was probably for the best
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In reply to Post #794
Hopefully some peaceful rioting and a PLM movement will get some air time from the MSM......doubt it though.......
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In reply to Post #797
Better off saving money and hanging these types
It's not cheaper https://www.thebalance.com/comparing-the-costs-of-death-penalty-vs-life-in-prison-4689874
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As if adding 'and that is a fact' ever made an argument more convincing.
Should have done it in capitals.
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In reply to Post #793
Just because it hadn't been raised on here up to now doesn't mean some of us have not been outraged.
Better off saving money and hanging these types but as that's not going to happen I support PC Harper's wife. Life sentence should be life.
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In reply to Post #795
Look at it how you like. Nothing much will get said sadly , but like I said, if the boot was on the other foot, and that is a fact
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In reply to Post #794
FFS, using the murder of a copper to get an anti BLM dig in is a bit low.
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In reply to Post #793
The Somalian ****?
It was the part timers who brought him in and they didn’t search him correctly, had live ammunition on him but they didn’t check for a gun!!!
Was cuffed with his hands behind his back too!
****
Daily life as a policeman in this country, dealing with ****s, good job it wasn’t the black man that got shot isn’t it, now that would have been another totally different story, imagine the outrage
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Awfully quiet on the murdered police officer front here.
Not even a whiff of ‘get them all out’
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In reply to Post #790
Anything is an issue once your in their position.....even stuff you said or done 20-30yrs ago........
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In reply to Post #790
Boris is an infidel?
That could get tricky....
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In reply to Post #789
Is infidelity an issue then? I might have some news for you about Boris.
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In reply to Post #784
I don’t think Bills make very good presidents........although Monica lewinkski wouldn’t agree......
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In reply to Post #787
Sometimes you need to take time out
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In reply to Post #785
Yeah but just when halfway through something important is happening
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In reply to Post #783
Possibly a bit extreme Wayne
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In reply to Post #784
That would be the dream
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In reply to Post #783
Probably one that made their money due to their intelligence, rather than inheriting it.
Bill Gates is a better example.
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In reply to Post #782
A business man........like trump you mean.......good shout that.......
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In reply to Post #780
None of them, we are in an all time low for me, leadership quality’s, zero, laughing stock more like
Starmer is a Clever educated man, something that they have been crying out for!!!, Charisma, zero. He a lawyer though. When does a lawyer lie...lol
Said it for a long time, forget politicians we need a business man with a proven track record to get this country back on track. Or the PM should be consulting with a board of them and be totally unbiased, there’s a word, unbiased, he should be totally unbiased, but what’s the chance of that.
Boris Johnson, what a complete and utter twit, brain fart after brain fart when he is talking, loads of mental lapses, he is making it up as he goes along the ****ing idiot. Prime example of everything what is wrong with high level education, practicality sense, zero
We need somebody who is going to make this country great again, bring jobs and success to the people not another **** promising more hand outs to every man and his dog
The Brexit fiasco has blown everything apart and like a very clever man said to me a while ago, this is a typical case of, somebody has a loaded gun and they have not got a clue what to do with it! idiots!
In summary, 90% of these idiots are just giving it the big this, that and the other
In reality they couldn't manage a **** because they have never managed a ****ing thing in their lives, just talked about it, oh, wait a minute...
And we expect these ****s to run the country, it’s a learning curve for them, they fail, we fail, we have a decent track record of this though...
Put them in the hot seat, what shall we do now? er, ar, mmmmm, uh, not sure...phone a friend?
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In reply to Post #778
I’m on about you two and the comments on Sunak, just typical, easily influenced, the image
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Who would you recommend Scozza ???
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In reply to Post #777
Best of a bad lot lad , we have this bunch for a few years yet before Keir shi*starmer takes over
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In reply to Post #777
“Sense”
Why, because he is poncing round in the background and not in the direct firing line
Amazing how easily people can be conditioned. Shame the Labour Party don’t have somebody similar
Scozza, what are you on about?
(Average Joe: 'About a dozen cans of Special Brew, by the look of things...')
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In reply to Post #775
You do know he is a conservative don’t you?
“Sense”
Why, because he is poncing round in the background and not in the direct firing line
Amazing how easily people can be conditioned. Shame the Labour Party don’t have somebody similar
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In reply to Post #775
Whatever the shortcomings of his plans may be, he delivers what he promises, which puts him head and shoulders above world- beating oven-ready Johnson in my opinion.
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Rishi Sunak , the next PM ? Seems like the only one with any sense at the moment
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In reply to Post #773
Elephant in the room ,
Camerons policy of letting Libyans come and go to fight Assad and Qaddafi whilst knowing they were being trained by isis and the security services warning him of the potential consequences which , sadly were proved correct !
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Some truly harrowing testimony from the MEN bombing inquiry. Looks like there's some serious lessons to be learnt.
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We got a whiff of it on the news recently , we are the center of the worlds dirty money in the uk , an eye watering amount , around £2 trillion !
stink link.
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In reply to Post #769
Hypocrite
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In reply to Post #769
A paradoxical reply.
I won't be titting or tatting so feel free to have the last word.....
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In reply to Post #767
Sorry to wake you from your sleep but I think you mean you're and not your .
Not so clever now are you , maybe you need another nap?
I'm not a member of the grammar police and don't expect myself or anyone else to get it right every time but if you're going to reply and try to ridicule me with your fancy words please make sure you get the basic words correct.
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In reply to Post #767
I rest my case
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In reply to Post #762
Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia problem maybe? Could be your suffering from gelotophobia also. Easily solved with a dictionary
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In reply to Post #765
Now that is a great film!, could not believe how good it was at the time, really surprised me
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In reply to Post #763
It’s a bit like my favourite film of all time probably, One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, the cabinet are the inmates.... now I wonder who is Nurse Ratched? Dominic Cummings methinks🤣
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In reply to Post #761
Well Mal we all like a little nightcap dont we?🤣
Funny how times change though, maybe I’m showing my age now but do you remember when you were out drinking years ago and people would say ‘let’s have one for the road!’
The trouble with the 2200 rule is that people will just chuck it down their necks before ten, in Sydney years ago ( probably in the 70’s before I got there) the pubs used to shut at 1800 and the punters would hit the drink hard before closing time, apparently they used to have to hose down the troughs that ran along the foot of the bars in some! Sorry to paint that vivid picture, doubt the House of Commons has that sort of issue!
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In reply to Post #760
Good old Banksy, hadn't seen that Henry, had a google, nuff said
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In reply to Post #760
I'm not surprised either, like you say it goes on by all parties from the top to the bottom and in all countries.
Then depending on their point of view they cherry pick who and what opposes it.
Goes on a lot on here as well with others telling others that they are wrong and stupid, chuck in the odd fancy word to give the impression they know better and then proceed to give them their daily lecture.
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In reply to Post #760
Agreed
Shall we run a sweep on which of the bars in Westminster is the first to be outed for serving after 10 pm?
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In reply to Post #755
Just goes to show really that it pays to not always believe the bull**** reported in the mainstream media, there are some people who are pretty selective in what they do or don’t believe, and even if it were true that Boris slipped off to Italy.... so what? We all know that politicians are privileged and get away with stuff us mere mortals aren’t allowed to so why should we really be surprised or even shocked? The whole Dominic ‘poor eyesight’ Cummings affair proved that, one rule for them and one rule for us and that’s ALL politicians, Tory, Labour and the whole lot of em
The Banksy House of Commons painting just about sums it all up!
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In reply to Post #758
Hiya tinhead
It's going well to be fair. We've a range of new things in place to help with distancing and stuff, no staff rooms, guidance in classrooms, boxes with cleaning kits in, one way systems to reduce head on contact, staggered breaks and lunches to keep Year group bubbles separated....
Rules change overnight and we just get on with it. Last week masks were advised, this week they are mandatory. The kids just get on with it and are mostly good natured and very chilled about it all. We have a laugh and say it's because their teachers are all ugly and they don't complain about an infringement of their civil rights...
There are some who did all the work set online whilst we were off, some who did none at all. Again, we just get on. The philosophy is not one of 'catching up' because all schools have been closed so instead it's an ethos of reminding ourselves what we love about learning and re-learning our ways and means. I'm loving being back even though my subject is one of those most radically changed to meet covid guidance. Given the bigger picture I'm grateful to be in a job that I love and that still exists!
I'm lucky to work under a brilliant head who worked through all his holidays and is in regular communication with staff and parents. Unlike the government who thought it was right to take their six week holiday in the midst of the biggest national crisis since the war.... (don't get me started....)
So. Yeah, it's good to be back. It's not perfect but it's where we should be so long as we keep sensible and safe
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Mal how's school going.?
My missus is shocked about the kids handwriting, hardly any of them have picked up a pen in a 6 months and relied on laptops and tablets, standards have really slipped. She's on the case though
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Middle east peace envoy , thats a twisted sense of humor
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In reply to Post #755
Let’s just hope in the years to come once all of this is over that Boris doesn’t keep crawling out of the woodwork like that nasty lying maggot Blair constantly does..... if there ever was a time when I want to chuck a brick at the telly it’s when his orange face comes on with his two penneth worth yet again!
Thatcher was like marmite, some loved her, some hated her but as for Blair, I don’t know anyone who has anything good to say about that piece of work!
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In reply to Post #754
Apparently they got him mixed up with Tony Blair
Easily done. Both built careers on lying to the British public. ..
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News coming out of Perugia airport that Boris visited on the sly recently... Downing Street have denied but why would they lie?
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In reply to Post #752
Good job he didn’t offer to do it for free like Trump
Still, when he’s done with the PM role I’m sure he will drop onto a board of directors of a company he has been helping out during his tenure as PM. They all usually have their fingers in one pie or another which I think is totally out of order myself
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In reply to Post #751
I can imagine the 6 of them saying 'sorry we're already at capacity so you'll have to go back to number 10' just to get rid of the old duffer....
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In reply to Post #750
Good un that, exactly
6 kids, he should apply for the director of BP or something to pay for that lot, hard times for Boris
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In reply to Post #749
Now we know why they used that number for group sizes...
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In reply to Post #748
6 kids lol, I’m not suprised
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In reply to Post #746
I will let the football gang know
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In reply to Post #745
No but I'm sure a few on here would be interested.
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In reply to Post #744
It said Tom, still interested
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In reply to Post #743
Have you got the number Chris 'cos I do with a ****
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So, when did a vandal become a muralist? Just watching breakfast TV. To be fair, some of it looks amazing
I suppose the difference is if you add the word ****. Or call this number for a ****
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In reply to Post #740
No it's what us rich southerners call the poor northerners who have to look in bins to supplement their income
BTW it's mischievous teasing day today
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In reply to Post #739
excuse my ignorance but are bin dippers the same as window lickers?
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In reply to Post #738
You are right though they are bin dippers
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In reply to Post #736
Obviously not Bob.......
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In reply to Post #736
He's being mischievous and teasing , don't you get it?
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Talking about the easily influenced ,
Bin Dippers , what a bell end !
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Good to see the north east locked down.......can’t be trusted to behave the bloody bin dippers......
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Some need to watch this , they will know who they are after they watch the trailer , sadly governments and other powerful people now have exerted their power to gain influence , mainly over the most vulnerable
link.
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In reply to Post #732
He's not been Labours worst leader but one day they may get a really good one and I'll might start voting for them again
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In reply to Post #731
Yep
Everything he said was reasoned and accurate. No name calling or playing to the crowd. If he'd been more like that when leading the party he might have done better - who knows?
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In reply to Post #730
It's much easier to criticise someone else than do a job well, as you say he wasn't very good at being Labour leader.
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In reply to Post #729
I listened to milliband very calmly and methodically pick apart boris' plan on radio 5 while driving home earlier. Never really rated him as labour leader, but he spoke really well today and it was refreshing to hear some intelligent debate rather than what we've had lately
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The 5 living PMs calling BJ out for his imminent breaking of international law...not a great move when the trade deal with Japan isn’t yet actually signed off.
As an aside, the trade deal with japan, will we see much better rods coming out of japan for our market in the future?
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In reply to Post #697
Who for then?
Has it took you a day to think of who you are going to tell me it was?
Don't tell him, comrade!
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In reply to Post #726
Someone’s watching BGT. By choice or by force?
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In reply to Post #725
It’s a definite NO from me
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In reply to Post #724
I’m not quite sure what you’re even on about anymore.
I don’t remember ever engaging in a conversation with you on here before to be honest. Apologies if we have but I don’t remember it at all so not sure how we used to get on. Or why you suddenly now think we don’t.
All a bit weird.
Oddly, as I stated literally a few posts ago, the only time scozza crosses my mind is when I log on to the forum. He did seem very upset I took a whole day to answer his question didn’t he.
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In reply to Post #723
Hi Viktor
Honestly not sure how we got to this as stage as we used to get on, but
"You should go ask scozza on his persuasion, he doesn’t seem to be able to keep me out of his thoughts"
Seems reciprocal to me, and reading posts in other threads scozza does not come across as the most handsome of men a but a Bengali lancer he does not
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #722
Probably the most poorly executed attempt at an insult to grace this forum yet.
You should go ask scozza on his persuasion, he doesn’t seem to be able to keep me out of his thoughts
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In reply to Post #721
Seriously Viktor?
Oh come on, 2224 posts in do you not think most long term members of the forum don't realise you are cock curious?
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #720
which seems to cover all your base criteria
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In reply to Post #719
It is real
https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Interest/Feminists-In-Support-Of-Harvey-Weinstein-369009133521135/
And they're all feminists, which seems to cover all your base criteria
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #718
That can’t be real surely!!
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In reply to Post #717
Hi Viktor
I can't disagree with you on that at all, rapistmedia is the purest form of undiluted truth these media moguls are pumping out.
Have you signed up to the "free Harvey Weinstein" Facebook page yet?
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #715
I never said it was any good. Just the best...the best of a load of *****
Broadcast media is all crap. Best media platform is wiki leaks as we all know.
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In reply to Post #715
I think it's gone downhill since Osama got a double tap
Made me laugh that Jon
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In reply to Post #707
Hi Viktor
"I rate Al Jazeera as the best news broadcaster."
Really? I think it's gone downhill since Osama got a double tap
Best
Jon
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In reply to Post #713
Ok, over and out
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In reply to Post #712
I’d ask you to explain yourself but tbh I don’t really care in the slightest about what you’ve got to say.
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In reply to Post #711
Nope, that you think Al Jazeera is the best news channel
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In reply to Post #708
What doesn’t? That I think the thread should stay on topic?
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In reply to Post #709
I’m recording it
Might be watching Britain’s got talent ffs
Was gonna go out to watch the footie but don’t think I will bother, not sure if it’s groups of 2, 4, 6 or 450 that’s allowed now
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In reply to Post #706
Only ever watch the end........
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In reply to Post #707
Now that does not surprise me
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In reply to Post #706
Please stay on topic... the news...I rate Al Jazeera as the best news broadcaster.
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On a more interesting note. Last night of the proms tonight. Anybody watching?
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In reply to Post #704
You take that
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In reply to Post #703
No. 1.
Top dog
The best
The champ
Thanks, I’ll take that
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In reply to Post #701
I’m certainly what? Smiley number 36 x2?
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In reply to Post #700
You certainly are aren’t you
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In reply to Post #699
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In reply to Post #698
You see, for me there are 3 points
1. You didn’t vote, so all the complaining, slating, moaning and **** spreading about this government is a bit embarrassing isn’t it since you had the chance to do something about it and you didn’t
2. You voted for Labour, so all the **** that you were spouting the other night and for a while is biased dispitte all the denial and bollox
3. Of course you voted for somebody else didn’t you (bollox) Monster raving loonies?
I’m guessing it’s number 1 and if it’s not that it’s 2 but I’d say based on your track record, full of **** it’s a 1
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In reply to Post #697
Sorry to disappoint but I don’t care much for you at all, let alone to think of you at all at any point unless I’m on the forum.
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In reply to Post #696
Who for then?
Has it took you a day to think of who you are going to tell me it was?
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In reply to Post #688
I did vote yes.
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In reply to Post #694
The Romanian pasties didn't sound all that appetising either
I was going to make an orphan joke but resisted.
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In reply to Post #693
Well the grapes will get plenty of water 😂
Not sure I'd be up for them being trampled barefoot by the yokels over there mind ....
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In reply to Post #692
Looking forward to some good honest Yorkshire Champagne
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In reply to Post #691
And Italian 'scotch eggs'?
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In reply to Post #690
Although they'll soon lose their protected origin status, so producers across Europe will be able to make and sell 'Stilton' cheese.
I'm looking forward to the Romanian Cornish pasties.
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In reply to Post #689
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54116606
A bit of detail on the deal.
It's a small step and won't save the economy, but at least the Stilton makers will be happy 😊
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Good news about the trade deal with Japan
Let's hope they don't say it's nonsense six months down the line and decide to ignore it.
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In reply to Post #687
So, did you vote or not?
Labour?
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In reply to Post #685
Course not. I don’t think he’s fit for purpose in the slightest.
Btw you mention labour manifesto not making sense but the tories are copying it now to dig us out the economic crisis
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In reply to Post #684
Your right Jon, not been over as yet
I'm not sure, when I see her next I will find out but I know she uses the facilities over hear as I mentioned. Yes, they can speak Spanish, had lessons etc. Plus over there
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In reply to Post #681
So, who did you vote for then, Boris?
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In reply to Post #677
Scozza, I don't think your sister sounds like a scrounger. if she lives permanently in Spain then she will probably be registered with the Spanish healthcare system and as a EU citizen perfectly entitled to use healthcare in the UK. The cost is billed by the NHS to the Spanish system. This will continue until the end of the year. From next year she'll need health insurance when visiting the UK. If she's not formally registered in Spain, then she risks getting chucked out after brexit is completed.
I don't know much about dentists, but I know that it's pretty difficult to get a NHS one.
Does she go back to the UK for healthcare because she doesn't speak Spanish? It's horrible sitting in a hospital bed not knowing what the doctors and nurses are saying about you.
Think of all those lovely free holidays you could have had if you hadn't kept calling her a scrounger.
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In reply to Post #682
Which country, France or England when you say "this"
Corbin was a tool, his manifesto was nonsense and he was well passed his sell by date. That's why Labour did.not get in, end of story. I can see why you and Geeki are a fan
Now we are under Boris rule. If Labour had the right man at the helm then we would not be here now would we?
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In reply to Post #667
Scrounger you plonker , what am i scrounging ,assumptions often lead to a foot in mouth scenario you plumb , iv'e grafted all my life , the French health care system is better than the uk's , as is the pensions ,as are the majority of EU countries now , just a fact !
Alas all my family are here so thats why i stay ,
This country needs huge changes , deluded peanuts like you barking up the wrong tree because they and you have lapped it up and voted accordingly are the problem .
It's the corrupt ********s that need chasing out of politics they are wrecking everything , all those that say they don't believe the press ad media certainly lapped it up regarding Corbyn !
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In reply to Post #680
No. I have no political allegiance. I look at manifestos and people involved and vote for what is normally the best out of a bunch of crap. Whatever fits as closely to my own personal beliefs and opinions will get my vote.
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In reply to Post #678
So you are labour biased then?
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In reply to Post #677
In your opinion of course.
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In reply to Post #676
Not looking for blame. They made and continue to make a mess of it.
Not sure how I’m “one of life’s victims” when I have a pretty good life but hey ho. Another example of your assumptions being well off isn’t it.
Personally I blame the idiots that voted for the tories more than I blame BJ and friends.
Edit to respond to your edit - yeah Me. Be better than the donkeys we have now. Even a headless chicken could do a better job.
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In reply to Post #675
Your right for once. I do
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In reply to Post #674
Cause it is
Like i said in 657, there my tboughts. You keep looking for blame, one of life's victims
So, all these.problems then, who is going to do a better job, the Labour party, you?
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In reply to Post #673
Be double standards if you don’t call her a scrounger an all
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In reply to Post #666
No the theme is the government have ****ed up. Find where ive mentioned Corbyn would have done better. You won’t because I haven’t.
Your wild assumptions at work again. They really don’t do you any favours do they. Just make you look like an idiot.
A response to the government ****ing up is not “the party that wasn’t elected in would have done a worse job” because it’s all based on nothing. It’s hypothetical.
Bang on with it as much as you want but you only serve to make yourself look more of a fool than you already are
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In reply to Post #672
That's intersting. My sister went to live in Spain around 10 years ago, didn't like it here, better lifestyle over there. Bought a massive Villa the lot, still comes.over here for the Dentists, healthcare, banking and other things which I always tell her is double standards
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In reply to Post #671
No it's not.
In fact, last time my elderly mother was here she ended up getting 40k worth of treatment in the local hospital. A joint replacement that, according to the orthopedic consultant who saw her when she returned to the UK, was better quality than she would have been given on the NHS.
No mean spirited locals muttering about 'foreigners using our system' either.
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In reply to Post #670
That's what tbey do ain't it. Come back becuase the healthcare is better when you need it etc?
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In reply to Post #669
Who comes back to milk which systems?
**** Off abroad because it's easier? Tried it, have you?
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In reply to Post #668
Its Jon from Itialy
You know, **** off abroad cause it's easier or want out but still come back to milk our systems and benifits
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In reply to Post #667
What's about England? I haven't been keeping up and don't know what you're arguing about now.
Why does living abroad make anyone a scrounger?
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In reply to Post #665
Don't forget, this is about England, not France scrounger
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In reply to Post #662
I think you will find it means everything, he failed, and has to have been the worst leader i have ever seen. The underlying motive between all your bollox is "Labour would have done a better job"... Cause they would, with a cock like Corbin at.tbe helm!!!
You pop back down your hole and think of something else to bore.us with
One sided argument, Boris only
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In reply to Post #660
Fu** it , Whiskey wins , i'm off to bed , knock yourselves out , when you kick off about a post meant for someone else , it's bedtime
Play nicely you two !
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In reply to Post #661
Best he can do. Another scrounger liviing abroad. I guess Boris must have ****ed his healthcare up or something, I hope so
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In reply to Post #661
thought i could tempt you out , you big spanner !
Yep whiskey and blagging it can often end badly , wtf eh !
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In reply to Post #658
What an irrelevant reply to my post. Calling me a nobhead because what? I told you your point is moot and irrelevant? Funny isn’t it really how far you’ll go from a post to be insulting or try to make a point because your feelings are hurt. Bit shameful really.
I’ll repeat, trying to tell people someone that isn’t in power, wouldn’t have done a worse job if they made it in to power means absolutely F all to anyone or to any discussion. It’s a moot point. A hypothetical situation with an outcome which you have based off your personal feelings and declared as an indisputable fact
Feel free to reply with further insults because it just shows what a weak person you are.
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In reply to Post #659
Oh dear the grammar police are out again.
BTW in your post #3858 in the Coronavirus thread it’s ‘there’s not ‘theirs’. Wasn’t going to mention it, didn’t think it was of any great importance myself but thought you might be interested.
Edit
It's also comma and not comer.
See how annoying it can be, let's just make allowances with each other?
It's a rhetorical question so no need to answer.
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In reply to Post #659
What number post was it that i replied to?
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In reply to Post #658
Have i ever though knobhead , eh ,
Are you saying , have you ever thought , knobhead , without the comer it doesn't really make sense you soppy tool !
Boris and cummings are a huge problem , if you can't now see it , your pretty thick ,
try not to get too upset though , don't let it get to you
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In reply to Post #656
Have you ever thought knob head that some people may just try to make the best of a bad situation and crack on instead of trying to look for blame in everything that goes off like you snowflake
Boris this, that the other, what the **** are you going to do about it. Same as everything else, **** all
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In reply to Post #655
My thought are different to yours. Personally it's a global pandemic so sides .dont come.into it for me. It's what are we going to do that sorts it out for me so if it was the conservatives or Labour I would have to follow their decisions, no choices. Now whether they are right or.wrong is debatable. I just see the whole thing as a learning curve. I belive it is true, hence when i see the feedback from survivers and patients in hospital. I would also belive a doctor over some ****wit politicians. Now I might sound selfish here but I will keep up with the distancing and handwashing because I don't want myself or my family to be one of those patients. Everybody else can do what they will, I will try and follow the guidelines and play my part. Anybody who wants to take risks, that's their choice
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In reply to Post #654
Doesn’t matter if he did, he isn’t in power so we will never know. So it’s a moot point isn’t it. And has no relevance to any discussion on how the country is run.
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In reply to Post #654
Behave , learning Curve , to go with the herd immunity after what we had just witnessed in Italy , and what about the corruption , is that a learning curve , maybe for you
And if you are not in the Boris fan club , i am deeply sorry to you , an unforgivable slur ,
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In reply to Post #653
Who are the Boris fans?
Read the political thread if you want to know my thoughts , I think the current lot are all a bunch of Muppets, you would probably fit in well?
Still laughing at your comments in the covid thread. Boris this that and the other. It's a learning curve for all, unchartered territory, nobody has the answers but the biggest political clown the UK has ever seen, Mr ****wit Corbin would have all the answers wouldnt he
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Looks like the Boris fan club are going down with the ship , panhead was having second thoughts but couldn't resist , good lad , showing a bit of loyalty to his deluded buddy !
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In reply to Post #651
You assume all you want. Your opinion of me (which is wrong btw) doesn’t bother me in the slightest
Oh and I’d never have a normal conversation with you because I’d actively chose not to socialise with someone like yourself.
Don’t cry about it too much.
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In reply to Post #650
You stick to cyber space sounding off
Ive.seen clowns like you in real life before
Lets us know when you have got it all off your chest then we may go back to normal conversations. Although i seriously belive this is beyond your capability
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In reply to Post #649
Maybe not everyone is as uncivilised as you? And don’t resort to physical violence because someone has an opinion they don’t agree with.
I’m guessing that’s what you think would happen in your scenario? That I’d get a smack off someone?
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In reply to Post #648
Cause you have
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In reply to Post #647
And I’ve already told you I would. In fact I have done before. What happened? Nothing.
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In reply to Post #646
I have not said that. I said you wouldnt spout off what you post on here in a pub or other public place for example. You know, the things that you do not like about this country
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In reply to Post #643
Who said I was being bullied? just highlighted that one time you tried and failed to act ‘well hard’
Your obsession with me is not reciprocated you know...
I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to achieve really by claiming I wouldn’t say stuff to your face... are you Angling for a date? Are you bored? Trying to act hard? Realised you won’t silence me so trying to now take a different route which also won’t work?
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In reply to Post #644
Proven, that some **** you find on the internet suits your agenda
Pro Trump or Anti Trump...
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In reply to Post #641
Depends if there is proof and evidence for it. Proven of course, based on credentials. Not all opinions on the internet. Be good if it was because the .gov website says BJ is PM. If that’s only an opinion then time to party.
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In reply to Post #641
Or stuff from MSM and the likes he keeps posting about. Careful Wayne, the force is strong with this one
All the **** he has posted, now he is.being bullied, typical snowflake behaviour
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In reply to Post #640
Crank
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In reply to Post #640
Same could be said about your posts though Geeki, just because it’s in a paper or on the internet isnt FACT.......it’s all opinions.....
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In reply to Post #635
Your assumptions are wrong. I’ll happily say what I say wherever I want to say it. If it offends people they can cry about it all they want. Not my problem. I’m not scared of people that can’t handle that other people have opinions that oppose theirs.
I’d say all of this to your face. If you want to give me a smack then that’s your issue and your problem. Not mine.
Your facts are based off nothing. We all know this. You’ve proven it time and time again. FACT is you know **** all
I genuinely think your brain must not work. How do you come to the conclusion that I’m a coward for having my own opinions and not pandering to your sad little attempts to say they are invalid because you don’t like them? I think the most cowardly thing said on this forum has been your post saying your ex-SAS in a weird attempt to try to intimidate me.
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In reply to Post #638
Have a nice day snowflake
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In reply to Post #637
Okay Karen
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In reply to Post #636
Yes, says it all
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In reply to Post #635
Okay boomer
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In reply to Post #634
Assumptions
Yes, just read back all the **** you have posted
And BTW. I know for a fact you wouldnt say what you do on here in a pub because you know what the consequences would be, you know, real life, not cyber space. Nice and safe on here isn't it to sound off and insult our way of life and values etc.
You carry on with your little jibes and conteraversial spouting off. Everybody can see the coward that you really are
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In reply to Post #633
Again with the assumptions.
I’d say everything I’ve said to you to your face. I can only imagine you’d try and be hard and turn it physical as you get upset that you aren’t getting the respect you for some reason believe you’re entitled to.
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In reply to Post #632
While ever you and your snowflake girly friends keep posting **** to get all these personal frustrations and worries of your chest I will be pulling you
I don't likee a.lot of what you say, you know, your views on this country etc.
The world is so wrong for you isn't it snowflake and you like to try and voice your conteraversial opinion all the time. Pathetic really. Key board warrior. I can just imagine you now in a pub spouting off
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In reply to Post #631
For someone that calls people snowflakes, you do sure get offended by other people’s opinions A LOT
You’re like a boomer/snowflake/Karen hybrid
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In reply to Post #628
Gang of 3 snowflakes now eh
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In reply to Post #629
I've noticed the straight to name calling as well.
All a bit pathetic really
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In reply to Post #628
Just an opinion spanky although not necessarily mine!.......seems you cannot express opinions without you calling people idiots or clowns? You, Chairman Mal, Notalot, Jonny boy, Geeki all have an opinion and like Scozza says if people dont agree its straight to the name calling like bloody children.......
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In reply to Post #625
Double idiot alert
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In reply to Post #624
Idiot alert !
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In reply to Post #624
Isn’t it trump that bleats on about fake news? That he’s now admitted he is part of, by downplaying covid19 to maintain America’s “strong” global image.
but there not as clever as you Chairman Mal and Geeki because you don't like him, and they are 'all idiots Is this not what you do to people that voted labour?
Not surprised you’re a hypocrite though after the countless times you show it on here
In my opinion trump and Boris voters must have brain damage. If you don’t like my opinion then all I can say is 🖕🏼
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In reply to Post #624
Im hopeful he gets back, He is only half way through draining the swamp and making the US great again. The democrats are that fearful of it all they do is keep stoking the fire by showing a very very rare rogue officer shooting a black guy to keep the hate rolling......Communitys are being destroyed in these democrat states and its DT fault.......Yet these same states say DT has no say how there run.......
Would be nice if they showed the 1000's of arrests made in the US everyday without a shooting.......But that wouldnt paint the picture the Democrats want you to see.......
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You make me laugh, bleeting on about fake.news, social media etc
Where are you getting your information from?
Exactly, these sources
Couple of life's victims with nothing better to do
The majority of Americans are idiots, intelligent men an woman who made their own decision to vote for Trump but there not as clever as you Chairman Mal and Geeki because you don't like him, and they are 'all idiots
And all throughout American history it is now Trumps fault, REALLY!
Edit- I will PMSL if he gets back in
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In reply to Post #622
Same people seem to deny Boris is racist even though there is evidence of it in writing, on film, etc.
Probably don’t know their arse from their elbow.
Trumps a paedo anyway, forget the racism.
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In reply to Post #619
It's not Trumps fault that you're a ****
See I can be objective about him.
As for the rest of your little tantrum, intelligence is relative. Some people are intelligent enough to know that Trump marrying a white woman doesn't mean he can't be racist, whilst others.... well, you know.... we all set our bar accordingly I guess.
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In reply to Post #620
Nope, ALL YOURS
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In reply to Post #619
It’s all trump’s fault.
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In reply to Post #618
Strange how how you like to try and make everybody belive that you are so intelegent Mal but then you cannot see .beyond your toes when it comes.to Trump. All of a sudden it's his fault
So I wonder why the great Obama didn't sort it all out, oh, wait a minute, he couldnt, I wonder why
American Presidents eh!
Knob
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Hitler and Stalin (twice) were also nominated so...
I don't think John lennon ever was though.
Isn't there the lovely irony that the prize is named after Alfred nobel who was the inventor of dynamite?
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let battle commence , lords v commons !
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Trump nominated for Noble Peace prize that will put the cat amongst the pigeons 😀
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By ek, see what I have missed out on lol. Did we finally establish that Geeki is 16?
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In reply to Post #613
The precedent that will be set is so destructive. Globally journalists and media platforms will be controlled on what they publish for fear of being imprisoned. Goodbye free media and freedom of speech. I wonder when Boris will arrive at court to defend the right to free media...or will it be more hypocritical garbage from him?
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A short summing up of the railroading of Assange from Craig Murray , one of only a handful of independent journalists ,this country is on a slippery slope
If you asked me to sum up today in a word, that word would undoubtedly be “railroaded”. it was all about pushing through the hearing as quickly as possible and with as little public exposure as possible to what is happening. Access denied, adjournment denied, exposition of defence evidence denied, removal of superseding indictment charges denied. The prosecution was plainly failing in that week back in Woolwich in February, which seems like an age ago. It has now been given a new boost.
How the defence will deal with the new charges we shall see. it seems impossible that they can do this without calling new witnesses to address the new facts. But the witness lists had already been finalised on the basis of the old charges. That the defence should be forced to proceed with the wrong witnesses seems crazy, but frankly, I am well past being surprised by anything in this fake process.
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In reply to Post #611
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In reply to Post #609
edited
Can't be arsed
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In reply to Post #608
Imagine being over the age of 40 but not man enough to admit when you were wrong and trying to throw pathetic insults at someone who has used your own words to make you look a fool.
Enjoy the lakes, you’ve been incredibly easy to trigger and it’s been a pleasure to make you show yourself up.
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In reply to Post #605
There’s only one person on here that an embarrassment matey... his name starts with a G and ends in an I
Oh well that’s kept you and a few others no doubt entertained for the evening, see ya Viktor
I wonder who else will give you the ammo to hang yourself, must be very frustrating when no one replies to your inane drivel
I have a sneaking suspicion you’re about 15 with a very calloused right hand......thought so!
Watch out there’s a virus about.... oh and it’s racist, who’d have thought it?!!!
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In reply to Post #606
Oooo someone’s angry aren’t they
So easy to get you lot triggered.
Like I said, speak to me when you’re ready to be a man Henry. Then we will continue
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In reply to Post #595
Find me the post well I don’t think it’s as bad as you clearly think it is in this country, I’d say it’s not anywhere near as bad as people like you make it out to be
Life is what you make it mate, I got called plenty of stuff I’m my teens, don’t even give it a second thought these days unlike some who bang on about being victims, you strike me as somebody who would shout from the rooftops about being a victim of racism no matter how long ago and how tenuous it was. In my case that’s over 45 years ago, and I can honestly say I haven’t experienced any form of racism’s my adult life, and let’s just say for one minute that I did, if people are that small that they judge a person by the colour of their skin they mean nothing to me, there’s good and bad in all people.... and then there’s wokey snowflakes who to be honest I can’t stand!
Like I say you’re like a dog with a big fat juicy bone, I can possibly understand how you nearly got tasered now, if I had been that copper I might have done it just to get you to shut the **** up!
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In reply to Post #604
Delusional once more. I’m not nicking your lines, I’m using them on you because you are guilty of the exact thing you tried to call me up on. The fact you don’t understand that shows exactly why you’ve embarrassed yourself tonight.
Let me know when you’re ready to be a man and admit you were wrong, until then you’re crappy attempt at insulting me will still be futile
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In reply to Post #603
You crack me up Viktor
Even nicking my lines now
**** me this country is well and truly ****ed if people like you are our future god help us!
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In reply to Post #602
Still can’t admit you were wrong? Not much of a man are you, by your own standards.
Stating I never said something without even checking and then pretending you did. Now you’ve made yourself look very very silly Henry. Maybe it’s best you go back to enjoying the Lakes before you embarrass yourself further.
P.s. do you live on a farm? Because you seem to only cherry pick parts of posts to reply to...
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In reply to Post #599
Well I wasn’t going to go back over fifty posts to search for that, only you seem to have the time for that, but thanks for pointing it out because it shows you can backtrack Viktor, see it’s not so hard
One thing I will say is you’re a tenacious character, like a proverbial dog with a bone, not only on this subject
Even down to making the distinction between small town to village... you say tomatoe I say tomato and all that
I still think it’s quite sad that you are so scarred by your life experience, from your altercation with our esteemed and brave police force ( only my humble opinion of course) to your seemingly disagreeable nature, do you always argue the toss or do I have to be a left leaning woke snowflake for you to agree with me?
I really don’t do all of this forum social media stuff much, life is way too short for that,in fact I preferred a world without it where trolls and keyboard warriors like you had to engage with real people
Have you been out of your bedroom at all today?
There’s a big world out there mate, get involved!
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In reply to Post #597
Spot on bob......
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In reply to Post #598
Agree, but stabbing/knife crime all the same. Different if we are talking about murders carried out using a knife.
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In reply to Post #596
If you’re talking delusional maybe point out where I implied you support Boris? Or was it when I said you were so similar to scozza it was uncanny?
Maybe read post #559 again with those non functioning eyes of yours and you’ll see it. Be a man Henry and admit you made an error. It really isn’t that hard.
It’s good to know what you THINK (quotes from your post) is exactly what is true and there is no way it can be wrong.
But again, you’re hung up on the 80s for some reason. I said a pandemic for decades. You know that 20 years is two decades.
Also are you really that naive that you think knife crime is only at high levels since the UK media started reporting it?
To summarise how pointless your post was;
1. I never implied you support Boris unless you took offence to being likened to scozza
2. You were wrong because I did clarify that epidemic was a more suitable word in post #559
3. What you THINK does not mean it is true, accurate, correct, a fact or the only way people can think
Edit - I thought it was you meant to be fishing for me? Looks like you’re so triggered you forgot how to read
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Going back a few posts
In the days of the football hooligan there was violence but not much deep stabbing with long knives, more likely a bottle, chain or a stanley knife would be used and the aim would be to wound and scar consequently there were less deaths.
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In reply to Post #594
I remember when there was a lot of text speak on here and it was frowned upon by the majority and it pretty much died completely, you still don't see much of it on here. When it comes to spelling and grammar there's a lot more tolerance as we all didn't get A+ marks, as long as people are understood then it's not mentioned as there's some very good anglers on here and we don't want miss their input just because their writing isn't 100% .
Wayne you make a few mistakes on here and there but we all know what you mean and anyone pretending that they don't must be the ones with a problem. Apart from here I bet no one ever pulls you up when you talk about fishing on the main forum and that's how it should be
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In reply to Post #590
See how delusional you are, maybe I am missing something here but there is nowhere in your posts where you made a distinction between pandemic and epidemic, anyway it’s all just words and contrary to what has been posted on here I think that knife crime in the 80’s was regarded as somewhat more serious than it is today so I would disagree that it wasn’t reported, in fact I would say it was reported more than it is now when it is an everyday occurance it’s just that it didn’t happen anywhere near as much as it does today, be a man Viktor and admit you made an error, it’s not hard to admit you’re wrong,maybe you should re- read your own posts!
Oh and for clarity, I am far from a supporter of Boris Johnson so don’t imply that mate, something you are very good at by the way
Over to you keyboard warrior
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In reply to Post #594
I think if you have lived and breathed the knife crime increase your far best able to comment rather than rely on facts and stats
Exactly.
Sources for my views are;
- people that have lived in London for over 40 years, in areas that have had gang violence throughout that time
- people that have been or are still in gangs both locally and in other areas
- books, documentaries and audio from ex-gang members.
- also my own personal experiences with my town and surrounding areas and what I know to have happened even if it wasn’t reported to the police or local news.
If you haven’t experienced it or know people that have then you don’t really know the situation. Bit like when Henry said racism isn’t an issue in this country because he has never experienced it.
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In reply to Post #593
The theme I’m picking up from all these threads is who can deliver the English language the best thinks there always right and always want to win the debate / argument.......that’s me ****ed then......
I think if you have lived and breathed the knife crime increase your far best able to comment rather than rely on facts and stats.......
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In reply to Post #591
This is one of my hobbies, annoying you ****tards. It’s great fun. You all get so triggered and pull more u turns than Boris and his numpties
It’s great fun to see you all try and cast insults and puff out your chests to no avail
Word of advice though, if you haven’t experienced something, it can still happen. Just like I told scozza (are you sure you’re not the same person because you do talk the same amount of rubbish in the same tone and don’t seem to know remember what you’ve said in the first place and you sure do cry about not liking me in the very same way too)
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There’s always been killings/knife crime, just as there’s been gangs. The difference is things are reported, broadcast and witnessed in today’s society.
They don’t even make gangsters like they used to ffs
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In reply to Post #589
See what I mean Bob,if only all takes were that easy
Try not to wear your fingers out Viktor, have you thought about taking up a hobby or something, maybe get out for a walk and take life less seriously?
No on second thoughts hang ten on that one, I mean we need our entertainment on here
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In reply to Post #586
If you bothered to read my posts you would see that I clarified epidemic was a better way to put it, and also what I meant when engaging with scozza. Funny how you don’t bother reading everything before making yourself look even more idiotic.
Stats state facts.., where are the stats you are using? Your experiences are not stats. So you’ve stated no facts have you...I’ll give you a moment to process that in to your angry little head.
Do you have a guide dog? Because you clearly can’t use your eyes can you
I’m guessing you just skipped right on by where I said I have close relatives and parents that live/lived in London for a number of decades. I’ve read a lot of literature, autobiographies and history books, watched many documentaries, listened to lectures. You know, educated myself on a subject before talking about it.
I’m guessing by what you’re trying to insinuate is that your older than me so you know better...imagine if that were true. World would be a very **** place to live wouldn’t it.
Not quite sure how town got turned to ‘small village’ but hey ho, not much of what you’re trying to say evidences that you have functioning eyes does it
It’s quite funny how you seem to believe that I care as much about you as you care about me , truth is I don’t. I hope that revelation doesn’t ruin your holiday. Enjoy
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In reply to Post #588
Yes plenty of children on here
In reply to Post #587
Hope the weather gets a little better for you
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In reply to Post #581
Let the swear filter do its job rather than leaving gaps, children read this forum.
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In reply to Post #582
Been a wet day in the Lakes Bob, I was bored and needed some entertainment and there are some that are just too giving
Makes me think of all those hard lakes I used to blank on.... catching is quite easy on here
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In reply to Post #583
What’s really weird is your wording has now gone from a pandemic of knife crime ( generalising when you meant amongst gang culture and then you mention football hooligans, both minorities so hardly a pandemic)
to rife with knife crime??! Also I think you meant knife crime is endemic
Stats state facts and the facts are that very few people even carried knives in the 80’s or 90’s making it very difficult for people to use them
Sounds like your little village was akin to a war zone, that’s quite sad
I grew up in East London and although it was tough at times I look back to the days when I was at school were if there were words said then it could be settled with a bit of fisticuffs, not these days though
Also can I ask do you work on a farm? Only asking because you seem to cherry pick parts of people’s posts to focus on and forget other parts conveniently
Were you even born in the decades you mention? Perhaps it’s stuff you’ve read hey
I bet your fingers are burning writing a reply to the above
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In reply to Post #584
Like I said, Murdoch hasn’t lost an election yet.
Sadly there are too many unintelligent people around the world that don’t have capacity to what’s right in front of them, they just lap it up.
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Keir Starmer looks to Murdoch for his backing , what a twa* ,this is why our press needs regulating , the influence of this turd needs to end , the uk press is not fit for purpose !
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In reply to Post #581
The ‘facts’ you have no actual factual evidence for? How exactly are they facts?
Are you scozza in disguise with your assumptions? I wasn’t criticising anyone, just stating a fact that knife crime had been rife for decades.
Have a nice holiday mate I’ll still be here talking real talk when you get back. If your opinion is that it’s crap then good luck to you. As the saying goes, you can give donkeys carrots but they’ll still eat wood.
P.s. anyone off the street could do a better job that BJ at running the country. Many of them have ideas which could solve a multitude of issues. But sadly, just like yourself and others on here, BJ or any politician is very unlikely to listen because they do not have the capacity to see beyond their noses and accept that others may well have the answers.
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In reply to Post #581
Of course you haven't made yourself silly Henry, far from it, all of your posts are well thought out and intelligent.
As you say it's not worth getting in a tit for tat over, best to let him have the last word
I won't be replying if he replies to this
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In reply to Post #579
I haven’t made myself look silly at all, On the contrary it’s clearly something you know a lot about as you do it yourself on a daily basis
Read my post mate because I do mention the 00’s so there you go spouting s h i t again
Like I said you made a throwaway comment and didn’t say a thing about gang related crime in your original post, perhaps you could be a little more concise next time
I too do not like you because you spout crap all day long, I won’t get into a tit for tat with a hypocrite like you who one minute is criticising the police for being over zealous or too brutal for a snowflake like you and on the other hand you make statements about knife crime as if to criticise the authorities for doing something wrong or not doing enough, who knows as you are probably just as confused as me as to your point at times
Of course there is a correlation to crime and poverty but it appears you have all the answers, perhaps you should give BoJo a call and suggest ways of solving some of these issues
It’s clear you are anti police by previous statements you have made
I’m not condoning police brutality but if they are dealing with dangerous individuals who would do harm to them and the public then personally I think it’s a fair tactic
Anyway enjoy your rubbing up everybody.... seems like you have little else to do!
As for me it’s back to my holiday, this will be one of a very infrequent posts by me but just like to get the facts out there for all to see
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history of knife crime .
Knife crime also has direct links to poverty as in it rises when poverty does , the bit they don't like to mention !
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In reply to Post #577
Funnily enough you didn’t mention the last 2 decades? 00-10 and 10-20. That’s your decades right there where Knife crime, maybe I should have said gang related crime involving knives, has become a pandemic. It’s strange because you’ve automatically assumed I know nothing about it...which in itself is just as Obtuse as you claim I am being. It seems as you don’t really know much either, these people don’t go and stab random people for a joke, it’s gang related and somewhat targeted. A bit like football hooliganism is. Which if you want to go in to it, was rife with stabbings in the 80s/90s.
My auntie lives in London (And has done since the 70s) to use your example, I have heard first hand over the last 20 years how Gang related crime is in her area. Multiple attacks a week. Gunshots heard weekly, stabbings regularly.
Again, I have friends in London and my parents also lived there for a decade in the 80s. My dad lived in Brixton and a few other deprived areas, and can recount plenty of incidents of stabbings, shootings and other violence between gangs.
I’d suggest before you try and come at someone and assume they know nothing, you should maybe try and sound it out a bit first before you make yourself look silly. Knife crime may have escalated in the last decade but it’s always been rife, unreported so you wouldn’t know it’s even occurring. In the small town I grew up in I remember stabbings happening but only hearing of it through people not the local news. It’s worse now but it’s always been about.
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In reply to Post #557
Was only a few years ago the MSM started doing a daily count of stabbings in London like it was something new...followed by people in those communities and areas saying it’s been like that for decades and it’s anything new at all. Different gangs, same thing. Makes you really wonder what the actual agenda of the MSM is on reporting it when they never bothered before.
That’s what you have posted
it’s very easily to generalise and make throwaway statements like above so who are these communities and people who have been saying that for decades, my Mum lived in Bow on the borders of Hackney through the 70’s to recent times, I’ve visited her for years, I don’t remember her community shouting about it
Perhaps you are talking about inner city estates that are termed ‘gutter estates’, that are rife with crime, even then your statement that knife crime has been at pandemic levels for decades still isn’t true across society as even if it were in some rather nasty inner city areas then it’s not representative of the population
I’ve just walked up Cat Bells in the Lake District, luckily not much knife crime to worry about up here!
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In reply to Post #547
Greekskii , perhaps you should maybe get your facts right, saying that knife crime is a pandemic that has been going on for decades simply isn’t true
I live in London, I have for six decades and I can honestly say that knife crime back in the 80’s 90’s 00’s was NEVER at the level it is now, I’m not saying stabbings didnt happen but mate it certainly wasn’t a pandemic, I used to go out in London ( and I say London because that is my experience but it’s as good a place as any to use as an example) in the late 70’s, 80’s and 90’s without a care, in areas that I wouldn’t be seen dead in after midnight these days... excuse the pun but it wasn’t intended, stabbings were a relative rarity back then so let’s have some facts please
Of course I would love to see the statistics if you can supply them?
Can I ask how old you are, do you even have any experience of the UK during those so called knife crime pandemic times?
When you ask other people to stick to the facts perhaps you should fact check your own!
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In reply to Post #575
Of course. It’s why they will do everything in their power to keep him locked up.
Whatever happened to the right to free media eh? Only took them a day to change their minds.
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In reply to Post #574
I imagine he knows lots more than just war crimes that were committed......
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Julian Assange goes on trial today for using the freedoms of investigative journalism to expose war crimes.
Also today, the UK government are defending the right to have freedoms for investigative journalists.
Also today, no ‘free’ media are covering the Assange trial.
Also today, the UK government aren’t defending the right to have freedoms for investigative journalist Julian Assange.
#FreeAssange
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Looks like the EU wont budge on there demands so "No Deal" looking more likely.......should save us a few quid.....
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Whatever happened to Bojo's oven ready deal regarding Europe , looks like Boris lied again regarding the backtracking of a hard border in Ireland , no surprise there then !
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Boris trying to create a compliant press and media , it's a slippery slope that we are accelerating down by the day , it seems to suite some of the misguided gullible few ,but to those that know their history , the rise and promotion of far right nationalism never ends well !
link.
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In reply to Post #569
Relentless or is it tiresome the word I'm looking for
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In reply to Post #568
Special one just for you then please send all enquiries to my PA and I’ll get back if I think your worthy (FYI you won’t be)
What was my ‘total *****’ statement then? Because it can only be the first sentence of 7 were killed in London stabbings last night too. Or the last sentence, that it could be called a pandemic, referring to knife crime because I already knew the brum stabbings were part of a fight.
I genuinely think you don’t even know what the plot is, let alone losing it.
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In reply to Post #567
No, no, please don’t go away we will lose all the entertainment
Where did I say Knife crime was not an issue, you are assuming things again, lost the plot?
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In reply to Post #565
I just read the reports that said it was a fight before you even posted about it to be honest. So I knew what it was about, hence saying there was also 7 stabbings in London the same night.
Calling it a stupid statement, because you don’t think knife crime is an issue? Disagreeing with your beloved police force? Woah nelly.
I’ll get back to any replies in 3 working days
P.s. if you think my post was a riddle then it says it all About you really, because it was quite simple to understand. Be upfront instead of creating fallacies. It ain’t hard.
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In reply to Post #564
When journalist can’t actually be journalists we know we are in trouble. Assange trial starts tomorrow. Perfect example of exposing the truth Meaning you are criminalised. Britain holding him illegally for the US. US trying to try him for treason, even though he isn’t a US citizen.
If anyone is still blind to the fact the MSM controls the majority at the request of the corrupt officials they will always be controlled. As I said before, Murdoch hasn’t lost an election yet.
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In reply to Post #559
You really do talk in riddles don’t you
Opening line, stabbings in Birmingham last night, I was interested in the events, thought it may be terrorism related, as usual utter tosh from you with a stupid statement and then you try and justify it
What’s up, piles playing up
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In reply to Post #563
I obviously wasn’t playing down the blm movement greekski but as covered in the American riots thread many a time, police brutality and racism has been rife for a long time. It just gained legs in a different way thanks to the current circumstances.
Anybody who’s seen gladiator and the quote ‘the mob is rome’ will have seen an interpretation of the early realisation that the way information is released shapes society. Bit like how the romans put together their own bible from cherry picked gospels to control the uneducated
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In reply to Post #560
to your last two posts Noj. More interesting than pages and pages of the usual drivel
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In reply to Post #560
Civil unrest is coming on a global scale! Rioting everywhere and like you say, is only going to get worse.......much worse
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In reply to Post #560
I’m not quite sure that a lack of stories bought up the conversation about historic landmarks, that was the start of the BLM protests. Slow news stories from both sides, bbc proms non story, bbc clampdown in left wing comedians non story. Yet nothing about Prince Andrew.
In other news. Boris is calling for people to be allowed access to free press that has the freedom to write what they want...but he is happy to illegally hold Assange in prison. More of a hypocrite than some of you on here
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In reply to Post #557
Same as the left wing press, lockdown slowed the influx of topics to sensationalise so here we are renaming and removing historical landmarks ‘when they never really bothered before’
Propaganda to divide the people that will end badly
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In reply to Post #558
This morning you’ve decided that knife crime isn’t an issue I see, even though you were posting about it. If me calling it a pandemic, maybe epidemic is more suited, is “total *****” to you then instead of creating some far fetched fallacy that I implied something to be callous maybe you should just grow a pair (or pear as some would say) and express your disagreement head on.
You seem to make more U-turns than Boris...which is a near impossible feat in itself.
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In reply to Post #555
Don't like you, because I find myself shaking my head at 90 % of the stuff you post. I do t even know you
Like I said a while ago, never argue with an idiot. If I am perfectly honest a lot of the stuff I am posting is embarrasing, God only knows what others think looking in but while ever you are spouting your **** on here I will be obliging sadly
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In reply to Post #556
Was only a few years ago the MSM started doing a daily count of stabbings in London like it was something new...followed by people in those communities and areas saying it’s been like that for decades and it’s anything new at all. Different gangs, same thing. Makes you really wonder what the actual agenda of the MSM is on reporting it when they never bothered before.
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In reply to Post #546
Start of things to come thanks to wedges driven between cultures, communities and classes.
Media channels (traditional and social) on either side planting seeds of propaganda as usual.
Take the forum as an example, a very small group of blokes with a common interest at each other’s throats daily over differing interpretations of current affairs. What hope do we have in wider communities when we can’t get a little house like a fishing forum in order?
Police have been trying to get face masks off kids and gangs for years on the streets round my way, now they’re actively encouraged and individuals are basically free to do as they please because nobody assists police investigations except CCTV, which is now useless.
Will be like mad max soon, it’s a mess of our own making
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In reply to Post #554
No it isn’t You just see what you want to see because you don’t like me.
Simple fact is you posted about stabbings in Birmingham, I added that there was more in London last night too and that it’s a pandemic due to how many get stabbed on a daily basis and have been for decades. No more, no less.
Your interpretation that me calling it a pandemic means that I believe people shouldn’t grieve the lost loved ones has no base at all All it does is show that you cannot bring yourself to not try and create an issue because you simply don’t like me when there isn’t one and doesn’t need to be one.
Suppose if what you say is true then anyone that’s called Covid 19, or anything else ever,a pandemic is telling people to “get over it” when someone does from it. Which includes you, because you’ve called it a pandemic..
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In reply to Post #553
You don’t need to, its in your underlying statement and how people will interpret it
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In reply to Post #552
Who said that was my attitude towards it? I just called it a pandemic. Like many things are.
Where did I say victims and their families need to “get over it”?
Off you go with your assumptions and trying to make something out of nothing again and looking the fool
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In reply to Post #551
What if one of your loved ones was a victim, oh, it’s just another pandemic, a worldwide disease is knife crime, get over it
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In reply to Post #550
Why is calling knife crime a pandemic that’s been going on for decades callous??
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In reply to Post #549
Don’t you think your statement was a bit callous?
Obviously not
Edit - Eye witness says t was a mass brawl. Not terror related
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In reply to Post #548
On knife crime as a whole? What update or facts am I waiting for?
Better to wait for an update or the facts?
Also how hypocritical is this coming from someone who wasn’t interested in getting the facts before wrongly declaring someone murdered in the street was armed and dangerous
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In reply to Post #547
Could call it a pandemic which has been going on for decades.
You could. It could also be somebody’s loved ones, innocent people. Better to wait for an update or the facts?
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In reply to Post #546
7 last night in London. 5 from the same incident. Could call it a pandemic which has been going on for decades.
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Just seen the news on TV. Police have declared a major incident in Birmingham city centre after officers were called to reports of multiple stabbings
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In reply to Post #544
Have a good night.......hopefully someone don’t turn you over when they hear the ***** that comes out your mouth........
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In reply to Post #543
Sorry , can't help you out lad , and i'm out on the lash now !
Loved the banter though double 0 di**head !
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In reply to Post #542
What’s your type spanky, a submissive sought you can dominate.......
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In reply to Post #541
Sorry you aint my type , not into slap heads
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In reply to Post #540
**** off you dirty **** ****.......carry on grooming you melt......
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In reply to Post #538
Just got in from some enjoyable grafting , on site , good to see you grafting hard Wayne , and yes i can truly say your work here is done ,
You have truly established yourself as the forum idiot without doubt
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In reply to Post #538
I had heard that villages were taking their idiots off furlough...
Don't worry you'll be well covered on here while you get back to it
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My work is done here for a few weeks, laters.........
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In reply to Post #535
Did you know that Murdoch has never lost an election... shame there’s a lot of sheep out there
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In reply to Post #534
Wouldn’t argue with spanker even if I disagreed with him. Don’t want to take up his time when he could be making you look silly
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Oh look, another non-story about the BBC paraded by the Telegraph.
Chortle
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In reply to Post #533
I don’t argue with people, it’s boring and takes energy not worth wasting on some.......
You want to argue speak to Greeky, Jon and notalot.......
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In reply to Post #532
What a pathetic attempt to stoke up an argument !
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In reply to Post #527
If boris says we will prosper then prosper we will........best PM since Maggie and WC........
Shame Farage ain’t involved though, blokes a legend who would also get the best out of the UK. Tommy R would also make a great police commissioner rather than the soft **** we see nowadays appeasing the snowflakes.......
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I can not wait for spitting image to start !
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I didn't realise he was born in London.
... and they won't accept Wayne?
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Nothing says 'Go post-brexit, free UK' than the appointment of a washed-up foreign politician to a position of importance for the uk.
Welcome Tony Abbott. I assume Les Pattetson turned it down.
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In reply to Post #525
The next war will be outside the supermarket or a kebab shop as the two last remaining fattys eat each other
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In reply to Post #524
I doubt a day has passed globally without a war somewhere for 100s of years, just not here.
Luckily the next big war will be over with the push of a button and we’ll all be incinerated along with the plastic bags and left over quiche
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In reply to Post #523
Something, that as I get older I care deeply about, the environment. Two words, ****ing disgraceful
**** on our doorstep (although I really do question the longer term health impacts of sewerage on our fields). Is nothing in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of tons of plastics that U.K. supermarkets are sending to Turkey and the likes for disposal but are not getting processed in the correct manner
They should tax Supermarkets massive disposal and food waste taxes, disgraceful
The U.K. like most modern countries is ****ed, shutdown the supermarkets and the world comes to a standstill. Imagine if there was a war, be over in a matter of months
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In reply to Post #521
Well done Wayne!
Your first post without any spelling mistakes
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Absolutely Wayne.
The BBC contains so many lefty types that they've constantly felt they've had to be inclusive and keep the right wing idiots happy by putting Farage on Question Time every week, giving Piers Corbyn as much credibility as 99.99% of the scientific community on climate change, that bloke from Weatherspoons given the credibility of the head of the CBI etc etc. Not to mention Johnson's star turn on HIGNFY ... his best performance to date, unfortunately.
If the lefty BBC lot had 'grown a pair' and just laughed at the right, the country would be in a better position now.
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In reply to Post #517
You sure it was the bbc reporting on the bbc ‘banning’ the songs from the bbc proms?
Or was the petition by the daily fail and Farage?
Cmon now Wayne.
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In reply to Post #516
Gets all the rubber heads showing fake anger and the usual sheep baa baaing Greeki, especially those clearly having an identity crisis
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In reply to Post #516
right wing reporting on the leftie BBC..........You sure.......
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In reply to Post #515
Wasn’t it the Finnish conductor didn’t agree with it and said it should be banned, but didn’t specifically ask for it to be banned? Anyone outside asking for it to be banned has zero influence and were never listened to. There was no threat of it being banned.
Hot air over nothing, it was never banned or going to be
Manipulation at its finest, got you all worked up over nothing, don’t know what’s worse, being that gullible to believe the right wing propaganda in the first place, or continuing to believe it even when it’s pointed out it was nothing to cry about in the first place
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In reply to Post #514
Someone wanted it banned..........Lefty snowflake ****s.......
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In reply to Post #513
It was the last post on the subject so I replied to it. Someone sensitive today are they?
Fact remains it was never banned anyway
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In reply to Post #512
If you read post 500 all it says is you don't need to know every single word of the song to enjoy the experience.
Somehow you've managed to twist it into some political anti right wing nonsense.
I think I've made my point clear so won't be entering into one of your long running tit for tat debates so you can have the last word if you want.
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You do know there was no ban on playing it right?
That singing it was banned due to Covid...
It was never not going to be played...just not sung... and the conductor doesn’t agree with it but never asked for it to be removed. Talk about creating an issue to “fix” it Well done if you got conned in to signing a petition for something that was never happening in the first place.
Goes to show how easy the right wingers are to manipulate doesn’t it.
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In reply to Post #510
Our government is heavily influenced by Russian money , they Donate large amounts to the Tory party and are allowed to launder their wealth by buying up huge amounts of property in the Uk ,.
One thing for sure , there is more to this story than we are being told , like the Skripal case , the facts that have been hidden or overlloked by our compliant media are colossal ,they are all listed here !
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In reply to Post #509
He doesn't care you know what happens and who's behind acts of intimidation whilst he's a cowardly lap dog resident in the Whitehouse. Britain weakening the EU and desperate for new market's is a huge bonus, he'll never pass up a chance like that to expand influence and show power. Why would he
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Novichock poisoning by Putin ?
So after failing miserably in Salisbury to kill the skripals they used the same method again in Russia and failed again , Then let his flight be re routed in Russian air space controlled by Putin for emergency medical treatment
Then whilst in a Russian state hospital his life is saved
Then to top it off they allow him to be sent to Germany
If Putin wanted him dead he would be dead and he would not of left Russia
Key decisions on Nord stream 2 are now taking place , America is desperate to stop this !
And we are now puppets of America until we have reached a trade agreement
Our media seems to of avoided certain avenues !
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Is it 'Dick, son? Of Dock Green' ?
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In other news...a policeman from tv show fame has been convicted of child sex offences....discuss....I won’t mention American police that killed a naked, unarmed black man with mental health issues either.
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Yep. No 'living life on the hedge' for me. All very boaring.
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You grammar police must lead very boring sheltered lives.......
Doms mates have to make a living too so why not give them some work........
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20 minute Covid test sounds good.
Nice to see the govt providing 500m to support its development instead of chucking cash at dodgy firms owned my mates of Cummings.
Given his spelling, I assumed Wayne meant 'grow a pear' .. as in 'plant a fruit tree'. Not a bad idea, but I prefer an apple.
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In reply to Post #502
if "Growing a pair " equates to talking shi* and acting like a bell end , then yes , you win , hands down
.......Sorry that title is definately yours, you spout **** then wont even back it up.........
Anyway, Whats in the news today and not fake news spanky........Choose your sources wisely........
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In reply to Post #501
The lake mug bites again , what a plonker , if "Growing a pair " equates to
talking shi* and acting like a bell end , then yes , you win , hands down and you have the "biggest pair " in the world , well done lad ,
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In reply to Post #496
No chance spanky, you can’t even catch a cold or Corona........do me a favour though and grow a pair........
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In reply to Post #499
It's not about getting every single word right it's about enjoying the whole experience.
Cut and pasted from the I'm mostly Listening thread
Not posting this for any political or other reason but
listen to this
TURN IT UP LOUD and listen to all 9mins 51secs of it
What a great piece of music, love it and great to see so many people enjoying themselves
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Phew.
A massive sigh of relief sweeps the nation as thousands of angry middle aged men are now free to sing along with a song they don’t know the words of during the live broadcast, that they never had any intention of watching, of a concert that they would never attend even if they were paid to.
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In reply to Post #497
Although Wayne replied to my post I don't think his reply was aimed directly at me but to those accusing him of being racist.
You're right though I do have trouble understanding Billy Connolly but I do enjoy the bits that I manage to catch
Edit
Or are you saying I'm racist because I have trouble understanding him
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In reply to Post #491
Doubt he would have laughed. Post 2231 Coronavirus thread, he can't understand a word he says.
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In reply to Post #493
And the "lake mug " is caught once more
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In reply to Post #494
........oh I see
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In reply to Post #490
That's the problem when you post crass deliberately offensive material. You aren't in control of the interpretation, apologists and excuse makers excepted...
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In reply to Post #492
Good.......
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Charlie Hebdo magazine to republish the Prophet Mohammed cartoon , 5 years after the Paris shooting
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In reply to Post #490
If it came out of billy connellys mouth which you had paid for then you would laugh........I posted it, means I’m racist......
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In reply to Post #489
If I remember the post was to do with vaccines. IMO it was in bad taste but it wasn't racist, it was to with concentration camps.
It went something like you've been told to get your vaccines so get in line, the picture on the concentrated camp insinuated that was the holocaust victims had been told when they had to line up.
Bad taste yes but nothing racist towards the victims.
My mate sends me loads of bad taste jokes, most aren't funny but I'll admit that some do raise a smile, I may pass on a few of the tamer ones to people I know who won't be offended but most are deleted.
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In reply to Post #488
Corona thread........look at the picture notalot.......not racist at all......
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In reply to Post #484
What’s the holocaust post?
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There are few if anybody who could of highlighted Americas failings and problems more than Trump , the speed at which the American empire is declining increases by the day , China , Russia and all that will benefit from their decline must think it's Christmas .
Drain the swamp , did anyone actually believe that , the master of gaslighting the average American idiot
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In reply to Post #484
There's many Jews that believe Judaism is a race. Does that make your views on your Holocaust post not being racist different?
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Nalvany poisoned with a Novichok agent. The Bear doesn't care you know. Cowardly President Truant is only interested in waging a war on his own country men, unsurprisingly as he's the only one that matters in an election year. Middle East Iranian, Russian and Chinese influence is on the rise. The Russian's have even set up a Mediterranean naval base in Syria. Ramming US military convoys out of the way without a care. Belarus has been given Putin's full support, Crimea is rapidly being turned into an offensive military base. Africa is full of Russian military "contractors" and Chinese "businessmen".
The legacy of the Trump presidency will be felt all over the world for a long time. Never has a US president lost so much influence for the western world in such a short time.
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In reply to Post #483
You going to answer me Spanky.......
Holocaust post had nothing to do with Racism Jonny boy......
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Why the uk and America are on a downward trajectory , what's going wrong and how do we put things right .
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I was only sent it today by a mate. I don't do twitter.
Fair point though
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In reply to Post #480
Another day? that tweet is about 225 days old.
Not aimed specifically at you Mal but after reading a few different non carp threads If nothing new worth talking about is happening then maybe have a rest until it does?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mojos55/status/1218755831686221824
Another day, another corrupt tory boy....
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In reply to Post #476
Unnecessary use of too many question marks. Classic sign.
That and the holocaust bantz
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In reply to Post #474
Sad thing is people watch the corruption and think it’s okay they are that brainwashed.
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In reply to Post #474
I’m straight down the middle spanky and quite frankly your not saying anything I don’t already know but don’t agree with the version.
Are you saying I’m a racist?? How did you come to that conclusion from my little posts you usually ignore???
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Tony Abbott , trade envoy , bent as fu** , he should fit in well !
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It's one of the oldest ones in the book , when the economy goes ti*s up , blame it on the immigrants , over 500 000 none eu migrants came to the uk last year , yet you still think that Doris and Priti are going to sort it out , i am one of the first to call out our countries disastrous immigration policies which in turn leads to racism , coming from a gateway town i see it first hand , the deprived ghetto's that were once thriving neighborhoods ,there is a bigger picture ,one that people like yourself don't like , people should have the balls to say say that they are racist , because you stick out a mile .
So , for the average person nowadays to bring up a family both parents have to work , the amount of babies being born in the majority of western countries has dropped below the critical 2.1 figure , we need the immigrants to sustain the older generation through taxes .
1st generation none EU migrants are a net loss to the uk but the next generation are net contributors to an economy , simple economics , it will not end , the sad bit is , you believe all this right wing bollo**s and vote accordingly this is the most corrupt incompetent bunch this country has ever seen , they were financed by some of the most corrupt people and nations on the planet ,
I usually ignore your pathetic comments now ,like your last one , they lack anything that is worth discussing , but i thought i should point this out to you ,
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In reply to Post #470
Meow spanky.......
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Anyone heard the rumors of another uk news channel being created , similar to fox news , created by a handful of billionaires , quite obviously going to serve their interests at the expense of ours
Andrew Neil and Nigel Farage present 'forget brexit - LOOK AT THAT BROWN BLOKE, HE'S GOING TO NICK YOUR BIKE'
featuring 'Brexit would've been great BUT THE LEFTY STUDENTS RIUNED IT'
Not to mention the fantastic new game show 'GAME ON, Gammon!' in which red faced blokes shout at news stories about poor people and foreigners until one of them has an aneurism.
Can't wait.
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Is Trump the white "Abu Hamza " whipping up racial tension ending in death and widespread rioting , fanning the flames at every opportunity and if he was Brown and the leader of another country , say Iraq iran etc , the drones would be going in now !
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In reply to Post #465
You posted the cobbler's so look in the mirror for the mug.
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Anyone heard the rumors of another uk news channel being created , similar to fox news , created by a handful of billionaires , quite obviously going to serve their interests at the expense of ours .
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Surely this is just another non-story manufactured to get clicks and therefore attract advertisers to news sites.
Give a toss and you're being conned.
Abolish the BBC and get even more of this nonsense.
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One negates the other , in a VW way ,
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maybe a Tramontane , a misguided idiot full of hot air !
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In reply to Post #461
Left wind stirring the pot by any chance??
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constant drip feeding of news is quite common , has been for many years , seems to get the gullible ranting , can you work out the agenda ?
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In reply to Post #462
Agreed.
The fact she needs defending makes it wrong and sends BLM and other causes backwards.
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In reply to Post #461
Her local community and friends are defending her. Girl grew up in Tottenham so it’s a part of her is the defence being used. People take things too far nowadays.
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In reply to Post #460
It's got to be people getting offended on other peoples behalves.
Surely Jamaicans won't be offended by this?
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I see poor Adele is being accused of cultural appropriation because she has had her Hair done in a African Bantu style.......WTF is that all about.....
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In reply to Post #458
Thank goodness
Bloody conspiracy theorists and their scaremongering. ..
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In reply to Post #456
Don't listen Mal santa is real 🎅see hes here
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In reply to Post #456
No, but the Easter bunny is 100% kosher and free to roam
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In reply to Post #455
There's no santa? !?!?!
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In reply to Post #454
Bit like my mate who’s vegan, ‘because I love animals man’
When I asked if he’d love them equally had he only seen them in books due to farming being unviable he claimed they still roam free in the countryside... it was like telling a toddler there’s no Santa
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In reply to Post #453
Tricky one isn't it?
Zoos aren't their natural home, but if we leave them in their natural habitat without extensive policing, man will eventually make them extinct.
I wish we didn't need zoos. But I also wouldn't shoot an otter for feeding itself so what do I know eh?
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In reply to Post #451
How caring. Maybe if they didn’t hold them captive they wouldn’t need drugging into submission?
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In reply to Post #450
No you're not
Sorry tinhead. Couldn't resist.
On that theme...
There was a naughty lass who used to live round our way and she'd let you cop a feel for a quid / 50p for just one. In hard times she'd accept old household items as payment.
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In moderation it's good for stress
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In reply to Post #444
Like most people I'm a glutton for punishment and can't resist opening and reading a thread but most of the time I'm left slightly depressed hence why lately I'm trying to avoid tit for tats.
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In reply to Post #448
Result
It’s not funny
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In reply to Post #447
Gooner gooner!!
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In reply to Post #446
You can call me whatever you like but do not associate me to the gunners, not unless they win the penalty shoot out and beat the scousers
In a Pantomime voice, Oh no he isn’t
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In reply to Post #444
He just wants the best for a fellow gooner
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In reply to Post #444
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In reply to Post #442
No you don't
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In reply to Post #442
Can you imagine
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In reply to Post #441
Glad you sorted it chaps
Wish others could do the same rather than bicker and bore us stupid
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In reply to Post #440
Misunderstanding sorted
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In reply to Post #439
Hi Jon, accept my apologies, that’s why I asked the question. Did seem strange, to me anyway
Totally agree
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Scozza, you haven't understood my post.
The people who fought in WWII were good people. They were brave. They put themselves in danger to help others. I think their actions were admirable.
These same traits - empathy, altruism, generosity etc are often, today, seen as something to be sneered at. I think sneering at good people is bad.
Clearer?
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In reply to Post #436
Or because you’re too scared to answer the rest of posts because it might challenge your opinions.
I guess we should be glad America and Russia went to war otherwise we’d be speaking German eh!
Freedom and equality are part and parcel. You can’t be free without equality and you can’t be equal without freedom. Not truly anyway.
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In reply to Post #435
I only replied to the small part of the post because I wanted clarification on his meaning. Same as I do with yours.
Once again you are talking ****. Go and read Wikipedia about WW2, right up your street, think economics. I bet your one that edits it aren’t you
Stop trying to turn my reply around to suit your stupid claims of equality
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In reply to Post #434
Oh, so fighting to stop a regime taking over the world isn’t about people being able to live freely and not being persecuted and killed for their beliefs and nationalities. You know, having the equal ability to not be ruled by Hitler and to be free.
Guess if you ask a question you only want one person to answer then probably don’t put it on a public forum
Edit - funny how you still only reply to small parts of a post...be fun if you gave responding to all of a post a go for once
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In reply to Post #433
Nobody has blown their top. I asked a question. And not to you.
And World War Two was about defeating a dictator who wanted to rule the world with his own ideology. Nothing to do with the reasons you mention, equality. They were defending themselves. World war 2, the equality war
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In reply to Post #432
Depends on the war doesn’t it and the need to fight. Suppose if you don’t agree with it then you have the right to refuse. Just like everything else.
Think you’ve blown a top unnecessarily over a comment that does actually make sense. People fighting in WW2 were fighting for equality and the cessation of persecution of a particular people. Something people seem to condemn as “lefty” and “snowflake” attitudes now. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Imagine the outrage from the world if Germans said they wanted to keep a statue of hitler because he was a big part of the history of the country and they shouldn’t hide their past
Huge leap from being a part of a country means you HAVE to fight for it...in a hypothetical war...but you can’t dislike any tiny part of it because that means you’re not part of the country. Don’t tell me you’ve never complained about Britain in one form or another
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In reply to Post #430
Nice to know we all have our own books
As I suspected then. A load of nonsense really, could be wrong?
You wouldn’t say that if it was your child who was forced to go to war to defend our country against a dictator who wanted to rule the world would you?
Not to mention the millions and millions of innocent people that got killed as a consequence of the dictator
You are right about one thing though, if we had to do it all over again their would be loads in our country that would refuse to go to war because it was against their religious believes or they just like the peace, in the bubble they live in. I can see it now, nice old Mr. Hitler knocking on their door. The social justice warrior or would they be classed as cowards? They used to shoot deserters in the war
Now that’s whats wrong for me, if your part of the country you should be prepared to fight for the country. Otherwise your not really part of the country are you? Like a lot of people on here and in our society who like to try and just pick the bits they like and resent anything else they dont
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I've no idea why it is, but it often seems that anyone who shows compassion or sympathy, anyone who puts themselves out for the sake of others, anyone who doesn't put themselves and their own interests first, is derided as 'woke', a 'social justice warrior' or a 'do gooder' these days in the UK. Therefore, going off to fight to liberate a load of foreigners would, nowadays, be seen as laughable by a large section of society.
In my book it's just decent behaviour, and anyone who uses 'do-gooder' as an insult needs to take a look at themselves.
But we've all got our own books ...
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In reply to Post #421
If WWII were repeated you'd be down the docks calling the troops leaving to fight the Nazis 'do gooders
Lost me there Jon, why is that?
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In reply to Post #426
I’m not fed up of it... only money we got to improve the environment was forced on us by the EU. UK government never supplemented it like other countries.
That’s the scariest thing going forward, the EU forced us to do good by the environment..some has been written in to UK law initially, to be changed at a later date, a lot hasn’t.
I was just asking for a friend who isn’t a hardcore patriot but doesn’t like the EU.
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In reply to Post #422
Victoria Cross for bravery saving the lives of a French village in WWI?
Ooh, you virtue-signalling liberal!
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In reply to Post #425
No of course not.
If you're fed up with it and called greekskii then apparently you're racist...
Or something
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In reply to Post #423
Do you have to be a patriot to be fed up with it?
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In reply to Post #412
Don’t think anyone’s angry. Just pointing and laughing at farage.
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In reply to Post #421
I don’t see whining Jon? Just patriots who are fed up with some court and a bunch of ****s in Belgium pulling the strings......
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In reply to Post #421
You forgot
'Blackout? No chance. I'm not having the government and msm telling me how to keep people safe. The war is just a scam anyway'
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You can’t be patriotic anymore Scozza, means you a right wing racist ****..
Cobblers
It's the constant whining of folk like you that is the problem.
The EU tell us we can't have what bananas we want boo hoo.... the migrants want our jobs snif whimper.... the pc brigade won't let me celebrate christmas no more...bawl.
If WWII were repeated you'd be down the docks calling the troops leaving to fight the Nazis 'do gooders'.
Offer a home to Jewish kids escaping? 'I don't think so ... where are their parents, blah blah...
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In reply to Post #419
Me neither......
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In reply to Post #418
I don’t give a flying **** Wayne
Carry on as we are, I’m happy and still proud to be British
Others should take a leaf out of my book and just be happy like Tinhead said
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In reply to Post #417
You can’t be patriotic anymore Scozza, means you a right wing racist ****.........
You must bow to the left or centre left and the **** show world they want us to live in.......
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In reply to Post #409
Can’t say I’m a big fan but I do like to watch the last night of the proms, very patriotic
Rule Britannia, Jerusalem, land of hope and glory, two great rugby songs there. The National Anthem, Auld Lang Syne. I will probably be watching
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In reply to Post #406
Far right......think you mean pissed of people watching the towns turned to ****......
Who knows how it will turn out, I’m sure it won’t be that bad though......
You right bob, so much anger when farage is mentioned or even the legend TR......
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In reply to Post #411
Every cloud....
You reckon we can crowd fund for a few extra one way tickets to send some of his supporters too? 😂
Like tinhead says. Let's enjoy the weekend while we still can. After Brexit it'll either be just another couple of days working or a couple more wishing you were...😉
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In reply to Post #413
What will be, will be.
worse things happen at sea
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In reply to Post #412
Or pretend you never voted for any of this and look the other way....
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A lot of angry people on here at the moment, chill out it's late Friday afternoon and the bank holiday weekend starts here
Pack up your troubles in your old kit-bag and smile, smile, smile
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In reply to Post #410
It's the Farage who used the photoshopped photo of refugees to get all the racists out from under their rocks.
And the Farage who said if Brexit goes badly he'll bugger off to the US.
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In reply to Post #404
the same farage that immediately rejected the claims slapped on the side of a bus he was telling people to believe before all the referendum votes had been counted?
or the farage that immediately got his children German passports?
or the farage which went in to hiding straight after?
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In reply to Post #407
Good I hope with all the other favourites
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In reply to Post #407
Hope the choir learn the words by then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm0xD1VVMys
And every one of those f***tards can't wait for Brexit.
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In reply to Post #406
Land of hope and glory will be played at the inaugural MOWO awards...
Probably
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In reply to Post #405
Because I'm still British and I resent seeing my home country being destroyed by the far right and idiots.
And I'll have to pay more for my bait ingredients.
Edit - Brexit isn't being spoken of much in the UK because it's turning out to be nothing that was promised. They've got plenty of other cobblers to keep you angry about though. It was you who first posted about Land of Hope and Glory not being banned, wasn't it?
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In reply to Post #404
Why the concern if your in Italy, to be fair Brexit ain’t really thought of here anymore, but glad it’s happening......
Don’t mention Greta the scientific expert on global warming ********.......another lie!!
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In reply to Post #402
Their arse really isn't twitching Wayne. The EU is bored of Brexit and no one is talking about it anymore.
No deal, so what? How many things I buy in Italy come from the UK and will get more expensive?
Cars? No.
Tech? Not much.
Food and drink? Hardly any
How much stuff in UK shops comes from the EU? Significantly more.
Even Farage has shut up about it now and is trying to get the Gammon Army wound up about refugees rather than rejoicing over the soon-to-be-enjoyed Brexit.
Still, you'll blame the EU for punishing the UK, or Greta Thunberg, or remainers, or something - anything other than facing up to the fact that you've been had and voted for a ****show which will set the UK back years and take it from a top worldwide influence to an international irrelevance. Well done.
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In reply to Post #399
I wouldn't be holding out for Sunderland if recent trends are anything to go by. Unfortunately I can't see anyone wanting to build cars here (unless the allegro does make a comeback) if there's a no deal Brexit
I do find it unbelievable that parliament still took the summer break with so much going on / going wrong.
I don't imagine many business owners would take 6 weeks off in similar circumstances
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In reply to Post #400
Don’t think brits will be working for £5PH.......most want £15 and that’s to get off benefits.......
Let’s see how it goes November / December once there arse starts twitching a bit more!
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In reply to Post #395
Wasn't it the tories that said they wont be negotiating? It's their deal or no deal...i dont quite think thats the definition of a negotiation
Boris probably hiding in a tent in Wales this time
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In reply to Post #398
They obviously see us as a threat wanting us so closely aligned even once we have left......
Almost certainly true. Once out of EU employment laws UK based manufacturers will be able to undercut EU competitors by opening sweatshops full of hard working Brits working 7 days a week on a fiver an hour. British built iPhone anyone? Seen the working conditions in Foxconn?
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In reply to Post #398
I don't mind German cars costing more because I won't be buying one. Nothing political just not bothered about them.
In reply to Post #397
The alternative is to buy cars built in Japan, eastern countries or even Sunderland, or if you're dead keen on buying an EU car then maybe you'll have to pay more for it.
All easy choices for me as I've said I'm not really bothered about cars.
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In reply to Post #397
They obviously see us as a threat wanting us so closely aligned even once we have left........
Take fishing for instance, France will suffer massively if they can’t fish in our waters, German car industry will also suffer as VW, BMW and Mercedes sell less to us........
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In reply to Post #395
... but they need us more than we need them ... The German car industry ....
I get the feeling the EU have given up caring. The UK will still buy German cars even if they cost more, what's the alternative, start making Austin Allegros again?
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In reply to Post #394
Yet another headline but no substance! How do they think this will be enforced and who will enforce it. The police won't and the local council wardens won't.
You need an address to serve a warrant to summons to court so basically a non starter, or a real name.
Heres a shocker, why not send the immigrants fleeing war torn France straight back and use the money from housing and supporting them to support and provide outreach services for the rough sleepers.
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Looks like a no deal Brexit is looming unless the EU sort there **** out......
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https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/aug/27/dorset-homeless-people-face-fines-sleeping-doorways-tory-plans
Homeless? Skint? In danger of getting pissed on while you sleep? That'll be £100 pounds please, or a grand if you don't pay up.
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In reply to Post #392
There's a saying king Jon, "tuff as old boots" if that is what you are looking for?
Whereas you would rather try and blame the government for not having any shoes or not paying for peoples shoes
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In reply to Post #391
They wear shoes.
I bet Scozza never wore shoes until his feet stopped growing.
Others moisturise or have time consuming beard maintenance regimes. Soft as you like.
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In reply to Post #390
Makes me laugh the saying “kids going soft” because they want more equality and fairness and are less hardline patriotic and in general more multicultural and diverse.
How exactly is it they are ‘going soft’? Doesn’t really make much sense.
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Maybe it just needs modernisation.
With a second covid wave coming and the kids going soft, how about Land of Woke and Poorly?
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Need to worry less about songs and more about how to stop the increase in extremism tbh.
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In reply to Post #387
Just been reading the comments below the main article. I think they some it up for most people.
Edit
How did you find that one it's dated 2001.
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In reply to Post #384
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/1595282.stm
“The Conservative party also decided not to use it at their conference.”
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In reply to Post #385
Masks or no masks just get the kids back to school if only to get that lazy **** Mal off his arse
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In reply to Post #383
U turns are good if the decisions are wrong initially......
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I wonder what the press would have made of it if Farage had wanted the songs stopped, because too many foreigners had heard the rousing tunes and as a result decided to traipse across Europe to get to the magnificent Land of Hope and Glory?
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In reply to Post #381
Don’t be such a drama queen
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U turn alert ,it's coming , regarding mask's in schools !
The worst government that this country has ever seen !
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In reply to Post #378
Oi
Don't start on the rhapsody tinhead....
I'd be willing to bet that more people know the words to that than the pompous upper class pish they're whinging about...
And it's got a better guitar solo
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"National populism " how far to the right will they push us in the UK and America to stay in power , you really can't see it ,it's never been so desperate or obvious , you really think that they represent you , blame it on immigrants pretend your being tough on them ,whilst knowingly allowing them in , nothing will change after brexit , you've been had !
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In reply to Post #376
Well stripping away the politics for a moment I'm glad that after considering it they didn't do it but without the attention of the media maybe they would've?
PS
Not bothered by Bohemian Rhapsody myself
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In reply to Post #375
Yeah, **** all out of him regarding the exam fiasco, but he's straight on it when the gammon voters might notice.
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In reply to Post #374
Like I said, someone questioned their inclusion, it was considered and in the end they decided against changing things and nothing happened.
Just seems the nth time the shouty right wing lot make a story out of nothing just to use it as an excuse to go red and get outraged. See also 'You can't say 'Christmas'/ 'blackboard'/'Easter' anymore, 'You get arrested if you fly an English flag, asylum seekers get 2k a week, the EU wants to ban churches etc etc etc. Exactly the same people who were outraged by folk waving little plastic EU flags at the same event in the past probably.
I don't dislike the songs, they're things other people appreciate but I wouldn't ever choose to listen to. A bit like Queen.
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In reply to Post #374
Good to see Boris wading in about our “wetness” as a society with all this crap!
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In reply to Post #373
When you say it wasn't true do you mean that they never intended to cancel the songs or they thought about not playing them but decided in the end to play them.
Why don't you like the songs I think they are powerful rousing pieces of music loved by people of all ages.
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And so the story of the woke lefty libtard BBC cancelling some songs from the Last Night of the Proms wasn't true.
That's the same BBC that put Farage on Question Time regularly enough to make him famous, don't forget.
Turns out they thought about it, and decided against it. Front page stuff, eh?
I couldn't give a toss about the songs, but the stench of triggered gammon was lovely.
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In reply to Post #371
Maybe I just got his tears mixed up with dribble...
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In reply to Post #370
To be fair, it's DRIVEL, not DRIBBLE
This thread needs a proofreader.
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In reply to Post #369
Each to their own.
I’m allowed my opinions, if you don’t like them then it’s your issue not mine Cry about it to yourself not to me.
P.s. it’s TRIES not TRYS.
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In reply to Post #366
nuff said
Why do you care so much anyway?
Because i am proud to be British, simple. Unlike you who trys to take every opportunity to criticise it
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In reply to Post #367
Odd that he won’t say a word to you about openly not liking Britain and wanting out, yet me, who dislikes some things about it he is unrelenting about me leaving.
Maybe it’s because I’m of foreign descent I don’t know.
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In reply to Post #366
Don’t drag me into your argument.......I want out because of what the country has become......very simple!
Would be off to Australia or Canada tomorrow but like I said they won’t have me.......I’m far to hard for them.......
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In reply to Post #365
Yay you finally got it off your chest.
You don’t agree with me so have to tell me I’m wrong and my opinions don’t matter. Instead of engaging in actual debate. You know, the kind where you see both sides instead of saying the opposite side doesn’t exist and is wrong based on the fact YOU haven’t experienced it.
There’s many things about living in Britain I don’t like, there’s also plenty that I do. It’s not my fault you are crying over the reasons I feel Britain could improve as a country and then trying to lambast me for it because I’m “so wrong as it’s not what I know”
Why do you care so much anyway? Why don’t you care about Wayne wanting out so badly? Why are your attentions focussed on me so much? What’s your obsession with me?
Because I can’t answer you back? I’ve answered everything you say with actual logic not dribble one line posts Your pathetic bully boy tactics don’t work on me and it seems you can’t handle it. You try your hardest to make me stop posting my opinions on a public forum but it won’t work.
Have a nice day sadman
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In reply to Post #363
You are so transparent aren’t you
Yes your love of the British, read the American riots thread
Yes your love of the police, read the American riots thread
Plus, like is said I find myself disagreeing with a lot of what you post. It would be easier for me to just sit at home shaking my head in disagreement but I would sooner pull you up on things
Then you are scraping the bottom of the barrel, i am a bully because you can’t answer me back. Who was doing all the name calling in the American riot thread, you , me, both of us?
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So..
Back to Tinhead's OP....
It looks a very sensible option.
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In reply to Post #362
No cmon. Lay it all bare. You see another side to my comment on education of national history. Which is me hating British society? That makes no sense in the slightest.
This is your chance to get it all off your chest. So cmon. Don’t be shy. What’s your issues with me?
Also the bully comment is based on the fact you go completely away from the point I make and try and force your own agenda on to it with overt assumptions...for example my opinion on education and you trying to make out I hate British society and should leave the country...you think if you post enough bullish comments that I’ll wither away and stop posting my opinions on a public forum. So yeah, bully tactics.
Back to the point. Don’t be scared to let it out...
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In reply to Post #361
Bully, why, because I disagree with most of your comments
90% of the things you post I can see another side too, it’s that simple. Two way traffic
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In reply to Post #358
You’re so weird. My thoughts on education somehow lead you to make it that I think this country is “so bad” and should leave.
Anyway, I’m done with your sad little posts trying to be a bully or whatever. It’s honestly very boring and I feel embarrassed for you. I can’t quite work out what your issue is with me tbh. Other than you don’t believe I’m really alive. Why don’t you let it all out in one post. Cmon, tell everyone what your issue is. Be honest.
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In reply to Post #354
To be fair I’m sure we still teach about Henry Vlll.. the only good bit of his history I recall is that he never went hungry
What is English anyway? A mongrel nation of Celtic, french, Spanish, Nordic and whoever else fancied a stint on this cold wet hovel of an island. In fact, let’s just nuke ourselves and be done with it
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In reply to Post #357
I wouldn’t know, I’ve never been a part of their education system. But as I said below, if you read it before posting stupid comments, I clearly said my thoughts on educating children on the full history of a country is not exclusive just to Britain.
If you guys want to just assume things and disregard the bits of what I say that don’t suit your agenda then that’s your issue not mine.
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In reply to Post #356
Why would I be embarrassed? It wasn’t my ancestors that carried out those atrocities, it was yours
Exactly what I would expect from you. Pathetic.
I don’t really understand why you are here if I am honest if it’s that bad?
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In reply to Post #356
Greece has done it's fair share of atrocities. Do they teach that in their schools?
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In reply to Post #355
Why would I be embarrassed? It wasn’t my ancestors that carried out those atrocities, it was yours.
Like I said, I have many thoughts on education, this is one of them. I think children should be taught lots of things. I think fundamentally to any country the teaching of its own history is important. Good and bad. I never said my thoughts were exclusive to Britain did I? You ASSUMED that.
You can try and cal me what you want but until you learn to read and understand and not just make assumptions before you start calling people things you won’t be taken seriously.
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In reply to Post #354
Just admit it, you are really aren’t you?
This country is what it is and atrocities as you call it is what has made this country, rightly or wrongly but it is what it is.
Why don’t we start teaching the kids about the millions and millions killed in Africa in civil wars and genocide?
Or does this not suit your agenda?
You are so transparent, British racist
The thing that is wrong with this country at the moment is people like you and your attitude
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In reply to Post #353
Can you not read?
Where did I say i was embarrassed by it? You really do scramble for some of your dribble don’t you
I said it should be taught in schools so children know the full history of the country, not select bits of it that are preferable...in basic just for you in case you don’t understand. Teach both good and bad bits...not just good bits.
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In reply to Post #352
So you are embarrassed by British history then. The thing that made this nation what it is today?
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In reply to Post #351
No it doesn’t
What I believe should be in the national curriculum has nothing to do with my feelings on British society.
Cmon, you tell me why it does...or can’t you?
The fact people complain about hiding history by removing things when it’s hidden already as the information and education isn’t there to surround it makes no sense. That’s nothing to do with British society, it’s true of any situation, just in this case it’s British history we are talking about.
You just got triggered and started making assumptions again
But I suppose we shouldn’t suspect any less from you should we sadman
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In reply to Post #350
Your the one spouting off again. The question i asked you is perfectly clear below and relates to one of your comments.
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In reply to Post #349
I repeat. What does my opinions on education have to do with my opinions of British society?
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In reply to Post #348
Typical response
I bet you really hate British society don’t you?
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In reply to Post #347
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What has my opinions on the national curriculum got to do with what you’re asking?
I also think they should overhaul it and offer trades at younger ages than 16. Does that mean I denounce literature or something?
Honestly. Get a life. You’re a sad little joke of a man. It’s beyond pathetic. Try and be a silly little bully all you want but end of the day it’s only you making fool of yourself.
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In reply to Post #346
You certainly are
So, do you like being part of the British society or not then?
That’s a genuine question BTW
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In reply to Post #344
Go be pathetic elsewhere
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In reply to Post #340
I think we covered it pretty well at my school, to be honest I was either absent or too out of my swede to remember most of it. Which is part of the problem, people forget a lot of the stuff they learn at school after a while.
After failing miserably at school I came to realise most of the curriculum that I spent years arguing against, is actually irrelevant and it’s the ability to take on information and put together work based on it in preparation for the workplace or higher education that’s important. Well maybe just in schools of reprobates destined for crap jobs like mine, but further or self education is where youngsters should extensively cover specialist subjects in depth.
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In reply to Post #340
I’ve said all along, British empire atrocities need to be taught in schools
Just refresh my memory again. Why do you want to live here then?
What a bunch of ****s the British are eh
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In reply to Post #341
I’m sure any statue can be researched Bob.......it’s just never ending with things!
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In reply to Post #340
Long time since I was at school do they teach recent history 1900's onwards. They didn't when I was at school.
I seem to remember slavery being taught but to be honest I hated history at school I didn't pay much attention.
Much more interested nowadays, I like to go on walking tours and learn things but the problem is my memory is so bad I forget it all
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In reply to Post #338
Wayne It's got to be better than trying to blot out history by renaming roads, many of the people complaining weren't even aware until someone told them they should upset.
Just need some plaques on some statues and hopefully we can get back to some sort of normality
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In reply to Post #339
Not everywhere though. I don’t think it’s in the curriculum nowadays, unless it’s changed since I was in school in the 90s/00s. Only a touch on it during Black history month but that was rightly celebrating prominent black figures in history.
I’ve said all along, British empire atrocities need to be taught in schools. No good talking about “hiding history by removing statues, Street signs, etc” when the history is being hidden from everyone because they refuse to teach it in schools.
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In reply to Post #337
They do, when i went to primary school we were taught about the slave trade, Wilberforce and abolition. Maybe because my primary school had links to Wilberforce, I was christened in Wilberforce's church and used to walk past blue plaques dedicated to Wilberforce and the abolitionists everyday on way to school.
So it was taught and hopefully still is.
This was a primary school in Clapham, 2 miles from Brixton and was taught to a 50/50 black/white school in the late 60's early 70's. Our estate was serviced by 2 schools and both taught about it!
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In reply to Post #336
Unbelievable.......
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In reply to Post #336
Progress made, now maybe they can start teaching it in schools
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In reply to Post #334
I’m still unsure how so many people still trust the MSM and politicians and believe anything they say as fact.
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In reply to Post #333
A leaked report states that , a reasonable worst case scenario would be , large scale civil unrest in the uk ,
Oh goody ,
we are now reaching peak corruption , it is becoming unsustainable !
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8647523/Steve-Bannons-links-Brexit-Indicted-Trump-aide-ally-Nigel-Farage.html
The Daily Mail pointing out that Steve Bannon has links with Brexit. Not half as much as the bloody Daily Mail has.
Is this the start of a shift to 'Brexit is turning out s**t so we're going to start blaming anyone we can for it?'
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In reply to Post #331
Yes, I was talking about the exam situation (why aren't the media calling it 'The Exshambles'?)
Careful and objective estimated results from teachers are a long way from 'My mum thinks I'll get ....'
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In reply to Post #330
in terms of their exam results?
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that they'd be classed as external students attached to a certified exam centre - a school or college. In simple terms, they'd usually go and sit their exams in the correct conditions in a school / college with the regular schooled students from that centre as formal exams need to be sat in specified conditions and at the same time across the country with approved invigilators present. I'm not sure how the predicted grades will have been submitted but I'd expect they would have sat mocks in the same way.
If this is the case, then they'll have been subject to the same farce as everyone else over the last few days....
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In reply to Post #328
I know it's a tiny minority Mal, but do you have any idea what's happening to home schooled kids this year?
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In reply to Post #327
There's still a huge mess to sort out. Some students will still be faced with missing out on their first choice - even though they have the grades and an offer from a university is a legally binding document.
Williamson said he's removed the cap that was put in this year in terms of accepting students - however, if places are already offered based on the fiasco of last week, coupled with the covid-19 guidance that institutions have to work by, there will still be students (mostly from less affluent / racially diverse areas) who will not be going to where they should be.
Meanwhile, Williamson is still Education minister and Johnson is still awol.
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In reply to Post #323
Are students now getting their deserved uni places back? Or do they still not have them as they’ve been given to other students already?
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At last , seems like the consensus is , this lot in power at the moment are shaping up to be the worse government in this countries history , at one of the worst possible times , some of us knew of Boris's potential , pre election ! at least the criticism and abuse has ended when this is pointed out , anyone can be fooled , at any age , nothing to be ashamed of !
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Ta-daahhh
Gavin Williamson does the exact opposite of what he said last week, while Johnson is on holiday. Leadership, yay!
Give a few weeks and it'll come out how much of your money they paid some mate of Cummings for the algorithm that so spectacularly shafted clever kids in poor schools. But no-one will notice, because this shower of a govt will be well into the next cycle of policy f**c up - outrage - u-turn by then.
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In reply to Post #322
yep - the inevitable climb down with no admission of error.
Scotland, Wales and N.I. already had the sense to go with Centre Assessed Grades so it will be a U-turn dictated by the positive action of the three other nations while Williamson and co. have just fumbled about. If you were that rubbish at your job do you think you'd still be employed next week....?
just popped up as was writing...
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/17/u-turn-level-results-pupils-will-now-get-predicted-grades-13139848/?ito=push-notification&ci=28539&si=9412819
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In reply to Post #320
PHE will be scrapped in name only, the amount of people involved will stay the same, wages the same and job roles the same. It’s like any other rebranding change the logo and header paper. Still under the same over arching ministerial control.
Standby for the u turn over A level results 👍🏻 They had 2 weeks to fend this off but head in sand outlook. Should have gone with the teachers expectation and let the Universities sort it out over the next few years as they will have space with no great influx of foreign students at the mo! 😷😷😷
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In reply to Post #320
one word. Weasel.
Corrupt to the core is this Government...scrap PHE and employ Dido Harding of failed test and trace app fame (amongst other money for nothing projects)?? Literally privatising the overseeing health body for a public service.
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/16/invisible-boris-johnson-told-get-grip-sort-level-results-chaos-13137386/?ito=push-notification&ci=28471&si=9412819
Anyone seen Boris?
Apparently he was off on holiday to Scotland - maybe he'll learn something while he's there
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In reply to Post #318
it's a disgrace
one of the primary areas of focus for schools over recent years has been 'closing the gap' between disadvantaged / FSM / LAC / SEN students. the approach taken by Williamson has been directly in opposition to this. in typical tory fashion, the gap is widened between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' .
The overall figures show a grade reduction at 40% nationally - but when you look at the figures in schools in deprived areas / with a wider demographic in terms of race / family earnings / SEN then the figures are much higher - 60% reduced grades.
Schools are told to close the gap - government continues to widen it.
The 'algorithm' used to undermine teacher grades looks at prior results. Would you like to be downgraded because someone who wasn't you, in a different year, with possibly a different teacher, didn't get the grade that you were evidently capable of? (and I use that term because Centre Assessed Grades were based on the most up to date evidence). Staff and students have worked hard to improve only to be told that it was for nothing and you';; be arbitrarily pre-judged.
Government say that mock exam grades can be used for appeal. Then Ofqual say that if the teacher predicted grade is lower then that has to stand. So teacher grades are either downgraded by the algorithm, or if they are the lower grade in comparison to mock exams, seen to be entirely accurate. Basically - whatever is the lowest grade, that's what you'll get.
absolutely unacceptable
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In reply to Post #316
The current approach is better than giving students a massive uplift vs previous and future years though.
I doubt it's perfect but what else could be done?
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In reply to Post #316
Another year, another government education shambles...
Or just 'Another week, another government shambles'
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So....
Another year, another government education shambles...
Absolutely appalling the way the exam results have been dealt with. And this Thursday the GCSE and Level 2 BTEC results are due...
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BBC 1 now, reported missing
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How they adapt ‘even on leave’ from war torn countries to civvy life I’ll never know.
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In reply to Post #312
It is truly terrible
I posted on here a while ago, an old mate of mine is the same, head well and truly gone. He had been to Afghanistan, literally blow his mind. Not seen him for quite a few years and bumped into him in a pub one night. Unbelievable experiences, simply cannot handle it. Told him he needs proper help and support, been for counselling, didn’t help him, very sad situation. There must be thousands the same. Like you say, they put their lives on the line for this country, we should do our best to look after them and there should be some proper support packages available to them instead of trying to sweep them under the carpet
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In reply to Post #309
Everyone can have an off day...
I'll read in between the lines on that one
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In reply to Post #308
you know what tinhead - everyone can have an off day.
with the c-19 thing I've seen a lot of really good practice from other teachers and some great shared ideas. I'm lucky to work in a good school with an excellent Head and that makes a huge difference.
we're about to become a political football again soon so maybe my cynicism will start to show through occasionally...
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In reply to Post #303
That's good to hear.
My missus is a TA in a secondary and my daughter a teacher in a primary and one thing they’ve noticed is that those who put themselves out and go the extra mile are the ones that are always put upon whereas when the slackers are asked they will find an excuse, all of a sudden in lockdown there’s staff that claim that they are vulnerable which they have never declared before, yes there may be the odd genuine one but it’s generally the well known slackers that are the culprits but there doesn’t seem much the school can do as the unions are too strong. It niggles my two a little but they’d rather work and be valued rather than be thought of as slackers.
I know you tend to defend people Mal but you don’t you notice stuff like that at your school?
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In reply to Post #306
Cheers and interesting
So they use a variety of incentives, not just pay to hire who they believe to be the best for the role.
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In reply to Post #305
That's a 'how long is a piece of string' one mate.
Private schools can pay over the odds if they choose to and depending on the school / subject / role it will vary. Obviously they are a very different beast and the pressures on teachers are usually very much results driven which I guess is expected when the parents are paying thousands each year.
Often extra expectations on teachers too - weekend / evening classes, extra tuition, house duties if it's a boarding school.
And of course some perks to it all with longer holidays / staff accommodation / meals / subsidised places for staff children...
Different challenges and rewards
oh and scozza - I'll have you know I received many positive comments on my Coriolanus....
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In reply to Post #297
Cheers. Any idea of the pay difference between Public and Private schools for a similar teaching role Mal?
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In reply to Post #299
Its the acting you need to be concerned about
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In reply to Post #302
Done both.
Students have had work set for them weekly with a greater emphasis on Maths and English in terms of amount. Some students have kept up with this - some have done none at all...
Then Year 10 students were back in a sort of 'shift' approach (25% at a time on different days). SLT and middle managers have taken the main responsibility for key worker children throughout (including over what would be usually school holidays).
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In reply to Post #301
During lockdown have you had to go into school occasionally or hold Zoom calls?
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In reply to Post #300
Morning fellas
Thanks
Makes a change when I sort of know what I'm on about eh?
Noj - they wouldn't let me paint flowers and a cnd symbol on it, so I replaced the missile with a really big confetti bomb. Biodegradable of course.....
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In reply to Post #297
Good post Mal we need more people like you
God what have I said!
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In reply to Post #297
So there’s possibly a nuclear sub unknowingly armed with a t shirt launcher and tie dye projectiles ✌🏽
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In reply to Post #297
Brilliant insight that Mal.
Agree about the Ofsted. Cannot be a good thing long term.
Man with a passion, no doubt
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evening fellas
we could have a whole new thread based on just a few of the things raised in terms of the school / education system - but it would probably turn political very quickly and get off topic as per ....
in terms of a couple of the things raised... from memory and personal experience
performance related pay - new teachers are started on the 'main pay scale'. this has a starting reward for some things, for example a new teacher with a 1st class honours degree (like me of course) can start on point 2 rather than point 1. Pay progression through MPS happens yearly. Once at the top of MPS, teachers can then move onto the Upper Pay Scale. Progression from this point is performance related - based on internal observations against national standards and over a period of two years. Factors such as extra curricular commitment / whole school contribution / CPD are considered also. Exam performance can be a factor but the sheer number of variables that can affect this (setting / external factors / local demographic etc.) mean that it can't really be the single defining factor. Performance management is robust and - in my experience - focused on how the school an help all teachers improve.
Academies - there's a school of thought (excuse the pun) that the academy initiative was a way of government trying to get rid of LEA's (local education authorities). If schools became academies (with a short term financial incentive early on) then they would leave LEA control and become - for want of a better term - stand alone businesses (sometimes schools grouped together to become linked). The less LEA management of schools, the more the government cold cut staff and related services for schools - and in true Tory fashion (I said it would get political) absolve themselves of any responsibility / culpability should problems arise. Ofsted inspections were used as a means of forcing schools down the academy route by giving them an unsatisfactory / notice to improve judgement. As greekskii has said, this meant that academies could offer higher wage than LEA schools - but the flip side was that staff could lose their job more easily under new contractual conditions.
In more general discussion - I work with (and have had the pleasure of working with) some outstanding teachers. There's no catch all definition of what that means as each teacher / subject / school has their own specific qualities and needs. Passion for your subject is - in my opinion - vital and infectious. Respect is a two way street. Listening is as important as speaking. Everyone can have a bad day - and everyone has the potential for an excellent day. I work for the students as much as they work for me. I finish every week with a phone call / email to a parent to say how well their son / daughter / foster child has done... the list goes on
I can remember passing my driving test and my instructor saying to me - 'you've passed your test, now go and learn how to drive'. Teaching feels the same to me. I was an expert in my subject. Then I spent time with youngsters who wanted to become expert in it and I had to learn about them in order to teach it. I've done a lot of CPD but the best training I get is on a day to day basis with the students who teach me how to be a better teacher.
It's my 3rd career after shipbuilding (how's that Trident sub doing?) and being a jobbing actor / director. And it's by far the most rewarding I've genuinely been gutted about not being able to work and can't wait to get back to it
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In reply to Post #295
Agree, but there could be some percentage factors
For me you should reward performance, I think that’s fair, not just everybody because we can. But as a whole if that is a teachers salary below then it guess it needs a review, pay bands?
For the stars, like I say, reward them well, they are doing the right things and helping kids get the right start in life
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In reply to Post #294
Yeah mate it makes sense. But like I said, and I’m sure mal will be able to say How correct this is, I’m pretty sure teachers are performance based in terms of they could lose their job. But end of the day some kids won’t be bothered and it’s unfair to punish a teacher for something out of their control. The only way you could do it is based on student predicted grades and final grades otherwise it’s unfair on a set 3 teacher with all the D & E grade students when their colleague teaches set 1 with their A & B students, for example.
Sure there is some form of fair system but I can’t see it ever being fair because there are multiple factors out of a teachers control that can affect a students performance.
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In reply to Post #293
As I see school, for some it’s just another conveyor belt of kids going through a cycle and some take a real passion and interest, it ultimately dictates their futures!!!
Here’s a bit of real life experience. My daughters school ended up been turned into an academy by Ofsted due to under performance. It was no surprise to me since some of the teachers were horrendous, no homework, very little guidance, very poor feedback in lessons and a year tutor who’s head was that far up his arse he could not see daylight, I had several conversations with him and the man was a joke, simply would not listen. I had a couple of meetings with the head mistress who again I thought was pretty pathetic, her life was great, her kids were in private schooling etc. etc. OK then, what are you going to do about the kids in this school? The only satisfaction i got is following the Ofsted report they both got ****ed off and several others. Now me and my Mrs both work so we paid for our daughter to have extra lessons twice a week to enable her to keep up. Not ideal but if needs are a must and all. No homework so I could not understand what she was learning so could not help, and an online blackboard system that was never up to date, not to mention no details of the curriculum etc etc.
Now the key point with all of this, whilst a couple of muppets were playing “god” it was the kids that were really suffering. Mine was more fortunate because we did something about it, and I seriously felt sorry for a lot of the other kids who did not have these options, failed before they even started out in life, appalling if I’m honest. These are major stepping stones in a kids life and that why I think there should be some element of performance management, just same as there are in other jobs in life.
Reward the real stars, handsomely for me
Not performing, you get what you get
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In reply to Post #292
Performance based I believe they get anyway, in the fact that if they don’t meet targets their job is at risk. I don’t think you can control it because it’s down to the children at the end of the day. If they aren’t willing then there is only so much a teacher can do. Even intelligent kids might not be too bothered.
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In reply to Post #282
One word for me, passion
I’ve had good and bad teachers and lecturers, my daughter has had the same experience. I agree that they should be paid more as a whole. One thing for sure, you never forget the good ones and always remember the bad ones!
Personally I think dealing with people also requires a different skill set than just an academic qualification. Listening to people, being able to inspire and engage them, also being able to capture their imagination is a good start and that is usually down to the character of the person.
Not sure myself, I think performance related pay would be a good thing but difficult to control? Good bonus based on exam results? If I were a techer and came to work and gave it my all I would be well pissed if some mug came and just took the money
Need to look at rewarding the good ones somehow for me, lead the way
TBH I have been thinking about having a crack at it myself over the last few years of my career. Sharing my knowledge and helping others
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In reply to Post #290
I can assure I haven't please feel free to have the last word
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In reply to Post #289
You made it up to suit your agenda again
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In reply to Post #287
There we go again.
If you find me tedious do not ask me any further questions
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In reply to Post #284
are we all forgetting academies exist, and a lot of them, privatised state education that doesnt have to pay state teacher salaries so a government sanctioned pay rise makes no difference, and also can employ people to teach children that arent actually qualified teachers. They have the same freedoms as independent schools.
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In reply to Post #286
Ok as is all too common with you it's the tedious route.
Where in post 281 did I say it was the main reason?
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In reply to Post #285
You ask a question in post 281 and I answer it in 284
I would say your response to me is more likely the reason he has gone.
I won't retaliate though.
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In reply to Post #284
Jesus H no wonder Keebs threw his hand in
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In reply to Post #281
I'd say a person who wants to become a teacher because they care about teaching would be better than a highly qualified person who's main reason for becoming a teacher is for the money.
That's only my opinion, Mal is better placed to answer.
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In reply to Post #282
Exactly, we're expecting the system to turn out geniuses by people on security guard wages.
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In reply to Post #279
That's a fair point but you could also argue that some potentially really good teachers never went into it because the starting salary was low. I suppose the truth is that you'll always get some people who do it for the wrong reasons. They don't always stick it out though...
I came to teaching a bit older and effectively took a 10 grand per year pay cut to do it - but the money wasn't the key thing for me.
5.5 per cent on 25000 is 1375 per year. After tax and NI it's maybe enough for a short holiday I guess.
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In reply to Post #280
Does that make them the best for the role?
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In reply to Post #279
Or you could put it another way people who become teachers are driven by the actual job rather than just do it for the money?
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In reply to Post #276
The salary on offer to entice people into the teaching profession is garbage. You'll not get the best people to educate our kid's and that's the future prosperity of this country being risked. Will 5.5% make a big difference?
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In reply to Post #274
And plus it's less attractive to private firms as they would have to pay the staff the same higher wages under TUPE when they transfer over!
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In reply to Post #276
Thanks for clearing that up
As we both know what we post is not always how it is read by others but you and me have a fairly good track record in getting it sorted without insulting each other (you hippy is a term of endearment )
Whatever the words Boris choices getting the kids back to school is important IMO and if it's a risk to the economy then it's a risk worth taking.
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In reply to Post #273
I was saying that a lot of teachers would probably say the same as noj. Let's wait and see what the country looks like in a while and wait for the public sector pay rise. Different story for NHS AND care staff imho who I think are deserving of a rise right now.
The pay rise is being touted as just over 3 per cent but this is an average. I think it is about 2.7 for experienced teachers and 5.5 for new starters. There's been a recruitment problem in teaching for a while now, and with more older teachers getting sick of the way successive governments treat them, a lot leaving the profession, so I can see why they want to incentivise things for new teachers. As said, for me, it could wait as I'm sure I'm not the only one who just feels grateful for being in a job amid all this.
As for the Boris article it's the phrasing that's insulting. As I said, he's the last person who gets to tell teachers about morals given his track record. I could go into more detail but there is a lot about it that winds me up and it's already too hot and sticky here
Have a good day man
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/10/blue-marlin-sportfishing-conservation
Good article for anyone interested. As a member of The Billfish Foundation for decades it makes my blood boil these big money tournaments. Got it totally wrong in my view.
Edit: Sorry can't post links
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In reply to Post #271
You know why they won’t give Nurses a pay rise...because it means when it all gets sold off and privatised the hope is that they’ll be for it rather than against it because they’ll actually get paid properly. All part of the bigger plan for selling it off to the states.
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In reply to Post #272
Am I reading your right Mal are you saying teachers are or are not due a hefty pay rise?
I don't know about your school but in my missus school teachers have mostly been taking it easy since lockdown.
My eldest daughter is a primary school teacher she holds some Zoom calls but doesn't leave the house much.
Also what's wrong with that report. Surely you agree that schools should reopen
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In reply to Post #271
I think you'd find support from a lot of teachers on that noj...
Unlike this tw*t
https://youtu.be/-4gZObbkhNY - Boris, 'morally indefensible to not open schools'
A lesson on morality from this man? Do me a favour.
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In reply to Post #267
While I wouldn’t begrudge Nhs workers who actually worked with the threat of and to treat covid (Many didn’t), food chain workers, teachers and the police a pay review.. Should it be put on ice until we know how many others are left destitute when furlough ends and redundancies come en masse? Just a thought
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In reply to Post #269
I’ve been walking round my garden in my pants today
The neighbour was laughing when she went to the shop
Let’s hope this nice weather continues
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In reply to Post #268
The Amazon delivery man blushed when I answered the door yesterday in my pants.
He brought the missus THIS I prefer the plain stuff myself but I thought that was cheap
If you haven't got Prime you have to buy two to get free delivery.
Oh dear what a shame
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In reply to Post #264
It's these hot nights Scoz I can't help myself.
Too right there. If we got burgled they would be in for a shock
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In reply to Post #266
absolutely - some very short memories in Westminster....
you can sign a petition to Government here
https://speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/apayriseforourhealthheroes
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In reply to Post #265
I hope they get the rise they deserve I read it's due April next year so get them negotiating NOW!
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See NHS staff have been out in protest today. Clearly the Tory way of thinking that getting a clap is worth more than paying them a decent wage isn’t well received.
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In reply to Post #262
It's these hot nights Scoz I can't help myself.
BTW it was Morrisons tonight, I think I caught on the camera
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In reply to Post #251
Hiya fishie
I'm pretty confident you know the ins and outs of it in terms of the law better than most of us on here so again fair enough.
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In reply to Post #257
Exposing myself?
Was is it Tesco again then Bob? How about trying Asda next time
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In reply to Post #260
May I make a suggestion,
Next time someone doesn't understand one of your posts rather react in the way that you do why don't you just try to explain it in a different way rather cause a confrontation, you'll probably be thanked for doing it.
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In reply to Post #259
And now we know why you are like you are.
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In reply to Post #258
I don't know only go by what I read. Anyway I'm going back outside for some more sunshine.
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In reply to Post #257
Have you just misunderstood a perfectly basic statement.
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In reply to Post #256
Exposing myself?
You seem to making a lot of errors today
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In reply to Post #255
Clearly I was giving examples of actions taken against people whilst being investigated.
Can’t believe you’re sad enough to actually purposely try and make it seem like I was saying they all happen at the same time.
Keep exposing yourself bud.
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In reply to Post #254
Well if you are suspended you're suspended. Can't be on restricted duties if your suspended, can't move to another office and work from there if you're suspended and if you are on gardening leave it means you are nor suspended
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In reply to Post #253
You can't have all of them at the same time
You are joking aren’t you? Please tell me you’re joking.
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In reply to Post #252
but routinely all over the country employees are suspended, put on gardening leave, have restricted duties, moved office space You can't have all of them at the same time. Parliaments is out until September so my guess he/she is on gardening leave
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In reply to Post #251
That’s fine but it’s in the workplace, you have workplace policies and guidelines same as everywhere else. Normally an internal investigation will happen too. It may be post police investigation in this instance but routinely all over the country employees are suspended, put on gardening leave, have restricted duties, moved office space. When an incident is being investigated.
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In reply to Post #250
Mal
An accusation of misconduct again is just an accusation not a proof of guilt, until he is charged with criminal offences or failures in a public office he is still innocent.
Its wrong but its the law!
Unfortunately as the CPS are involved and it will be a cross and dot all the "i"s and "T"s, including telephone records, social media and the ins and outs of a ducks ********. So don't expect a quick conclusion to charging!
Gone are the days when the charging sergeant would give it a go and let the courts decide.
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In reply to Post #249
Fair point.
Agreed on innocent until proven guilty. And agreed on him stepping back and being out on gardening leave.
The accusation involves reports of misconduct at work and I'd say with this in mind a suspension pending investigation would be the appropriate thing to do. No names need to be made public and shouldn't be unless there is a charge etc.
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In reply to Post #247
My two penneth and then i'm out. The rule of this country is you are innocent until proven guilty.
He should do the decent thing and stay away from Parliament whilst this is being investigated, and put on gardening leave. But as it stands at this moment he is still under investigation. Once he's charged if that happens, he should be named and then suspended. But at this stage he is still innocent and up and until conviction he still is!
Look what happened with Op. Minsted public figures named and shamed, Procter, Lord Brittain and Gen. Dannent. None charged and all publicly outed, some dying without closure of the case! But no charges so all innocent.
Its not right but its the law of the land!
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In reply to Post #247
Boris can do what he wants, didn’t you know? No one will say a bad word about it. MP could be found guilty and not be sacked and the Tory voters would still somehow believe Boris made a great decision.
Seriously though, anyone else would be suspended or sacked even. Shameful that Boris wants to play pals and no one bats an eyelid.
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In reply to Post #246
I think Jess Phillips called it right (as usual to be fair) in that it (a suspension) would be standard practice for other places of work and parliament should be no different.
if it's under investigation then Boris should have no knowledge of what the strength of evidence is or isn't.
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In reply to Post #245
I thought that was strange. All I can think is that the evidence is so poor and so unlikely to go anywhere that this way the person get anonymity?
Not saying that's right or not but that's all I can think of
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/06/boris-defends-decision-not-suspend-tory-mp-arrested-suspicion-rape-13093683/?ito=push-notification&ci=26830&si=9412819
so they'll remove the whip for not voting for brexit, but not for being investigated for sexual assault...
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The USA sending a high profile delegation to Taiwan with an ambassador in all but name. First time in years. Ratcheting up the response to the Hong Kong, one country two system's changes by undermining the two governments one country stance with China over Taiwan. Risky stuff.
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In reply to Post #241
Thank god it’s only on Brit Box.
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In reply to Post #240
Result, cant wait for that, sure they can find plenty of ammo lol
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Spitting image is coming back !
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In reply to Post #238
Remove the word videos and you could be talking about most of the contributors to the Corona thread
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In reply to Post #237
from what I've seen of tiktok it's a bunch of attention seeking kids and grown up narcissists posting videos of themselves in a bid for popularity
sounds like the kind of thing trump would love!
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Trump is banning tiktok because it’s Chinese. From what I gather it is pretty invasive and data trawling intensive. Personally never liked or used it so doesn’t bother me but plenty of tiktok reliant “influencers” are going to be either relocating or unemployed
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BA pilots Union striking a deal that reduces redundancies from 1255 to 270. Good to see employees and employer's finding a solution in tough times.
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In reply to Post #234
The whole system needs to be changed but as it currently favours the Tories and Labour it won't be happening soon.
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In reply to Post #233
Not what I voted for....
But tbh none of the bullocks that has been peddled is what I voted for so I remain unsurprised and unimpressed
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So Claire Fox and Evgeny Lebedev into the unelected second chamber.
An actual terrorist sympathiser and the son of a KGB man.
Is this the democracy you wanted?
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In reply to Post #231
So they weren't built by the aliens who donate their DNA to the doctor that Trump is backing then...?
It would've funny if it wasn't true....
https://youtu.be/dQS5mK_7dh8 - maga....
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Whatever next?
They've finally worked out where the big vertical stones at Stonehenge came from. 'scientists thought they may have been transported from as far away as Devon or Norfolk'...
Turns out they came from the closest source of that type of rock, 15 miles up the road. Who'd have thunk it?
It's like when my wife gets all happy and excited when she finds her previously lost keys, and when I ask where they were she says 'in my bag'
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In reply to Post #227
The corrupting influences on democracy are many. The excellent BBC documentary: Rise of the Murdoch Dynasty should remind people about whose news you're reading and it's grubby individual serving nature.
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In reply to Post #223
Very bleak outlook with Gove heading things up. I wouldn't trust him to feed the cat if I was away overnight let alone with the Brexit negotiations
I can see lots of 'Brexitears' ahead. (I'm copyrighting that one now. It'll be well used in the future)
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In reply to Post #227
The buffoon has set a new record , he has lied and misled parliament every single pmq's since returning after the c19 break !
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In reply to Post #223
You mean....
They lied to us?
But this is a democracy. Surely that can't be allowed
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In reply to Post #224
Don't worry , double O Wayne is on it , there will be no escaping him !
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In reply to Post #223
Shooosh its supposed to be a news blackout orchestrated by the conspiratorial MSM 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #217
Brexit is looking like it's going to pan out as BREakdown with the amount of under the radar votes going on and the realisation of the lies the Tories told in the election campaign.
"we wont sell the NHS in a trade deal" - vote to not protect the british public ownership of the NHS in trade deals
"we wont import sub-standard food" - Vote to lower food standards
"we will at least try for a brexit deal" - categorically refuse to extend the deadline so a deal can be reached in light of the pandemic delaying things
"we know what we are doing" - prove time and time again they havent got a clue and make it up as they go along
Plenty more than those...funny that any Tory voter I know refuses to engage with anyone when the lies start unravelling in front of their eyes apart from "yeah but brexit"
And people thought we were doomed with Corbyn...yet are kissing Rishi's a*se when he starts shaking the magic money tree. Delusional about sums it up.
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Did the leave campaign ever re-do the opening bit of Dad's Army, but with EU flags? If not, they missed a trick.
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In reply to Post #220
Walmington-on-sea Home Guard haven't stood down yet Jon. Still peering across the channel looking for imminent invasion with fixed bayonets. There is and never has been another threat stupid......
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In reply to Post #217
Keep up Wayne, Brexit's done. It's non-thwartable now.
Hilarious to see how you dismiss Russian influence when you've spent so long promoting 'non MSM' bull**** on a whole range of subjects that was probably inverted in a troll farm in St Petersburg.
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In reply to Post #217
I'd have thought you would love it as a conspiracy theory Wayne
Imagine the fun you could have with all that talk of interference and even collusion with the kgb etc
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In reply to Post #217
Dark chocolate Tim tams are the world’s greatest biscuit too
I’ve been importing mine for years
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Tim tam anyone......
Funny to see the MSM saying Brexit was influenced by Russia....complete bull****......their running out of time to try and thwart the whole process......**** the EU, their rules And regulations........
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How did some of the worlds biggest clown's get to win , here is the formula
link.
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In reply to Post #213
Magic Grandpa's got more guts than those in charge at the moment , this country needs a purge , it becomes more apparent by the day ,
what the man himself said about Keir's gutless actions
Labour Party members have a right to accountability and transparency of decisions taken in their name, and an effective commitment from the party to combat antisemitism and racism in all their forms.
The Party’s decision to apologise today and make substantial payments to former staff who sued the party in relation to last year’s Panorama programme is a political decision, not a legal one.
Our legal advice was that the party had a strong defence, and the evidence in the leaked Labour report that is now the subject of an NEC inquiry led by Martin Forde QC strengthened concerns about the role played by some of those who took part in the programme.
The decision to settle these claims in this way is disappointing, and risks giving credibility to misleading and inaccurate allegations about action taken to tackle antisemitism in the Labour Party in recent years.
To give our members the answers and justice they deserve, the inquiry led by Martin Forde must now fully address the evidence the internal report uncovered of racism, sexism, factionalism and obstruction of Labour’s 2017 General Election campaign.
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In reply to Post #208
Right there, need some powder
Corruption of the highest level
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In reply to Post #210
Now you mention magic grandpa what’s he got to say about the payouts to the whistle blowers over the internal investigations into anti-semetic allegations. They capitulated in court rather than have their dirty washing out for everyone to see.
All as bad as each other 👍🏻 To sides of the same coin 😀
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To all those that lapped it up around election time whilst calling those that tried to warn them !
link.
Never in the field of politics were so many lies lapped up by so many delivered by so few ! you dopey sods !
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In reply to Post #210
the NHS is clearly on the table , for sale to the highest bidder as we were warned by Corbyn who's prophecy's seem to be coming true , looks like we are truly up shi* creek with this lot !
If their was any remaining believers in Johnson and co , the latest voting down of Clause 17 should put them straight , yes but were gunna get brexit done !
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Corbyn was never a threat to anyone. Including the worst Tory pm for ages, Theresa May. Unfortunately.
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One man was never a threat , the other is a massive threat , as proven recently , this lot are rotten to the core !
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In reply to Post #205
Those Wahhabi Sunni Saudis are our mates so look away and keep sending the bullets. Same with the rich Russian's and Chinese investment, look away. Lay with dogs you'll get flea's.
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So the Russian bot farms pumping out ******** about Turkey joining the EU, an imminent EU army demanding national service for all youngsters and hundreds of similar stories were probably responsible for getting all the nutters out from under their rocks to swing the brexit ref, but no one wanted to actually find out, 'cos that would have made for an awkward atmosphere when having lunch with their Russian mates and pocketing the cheques for donations to party funds.
Meanwhile, the EU have agreed a 750 billion Euro recovery fund with cash going to the countries with the highest death rates. In the famous words of Jim Bowen 'UK, Look at what you could have won...'
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In reply to Post #203
The news outlets that feed the masses their opinions have as a majority, ignored it. They were all over It when this exact thing was bought up in the leaked report, calling it absolute rubbish, yet now, when people are overwhelmingly supporting the NHS during the pandemic, they won’t tell them what’s just happened.
A majority of people won’t have heard about it due to the news sources they access not reporting it. Do you really think the MSM work for the people? They work for the highest bidder. Regardless of political bias.
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In reply to Post #202
Nice to hear you have watched it mate, terrible situation and echo what you have said but that’s America for you, own gains only, went in,,took him out and left the rest to sort itself out. Did nothing for humanity and the Iraqi people and that’s what is wrong
Very interesting how they let the population rob all the banks and shops etc and the only building they protected was the ministry of oil was it. Said that at the time, oil was the underlying factor
Funny how Saudi has destroyed the Yemen and killed 100,000s too and nobody has blinked an eyelid
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Absolutely
Blair took us to war on a lie and the destruction of the infrastructure and subsequent awards for rebuild to certain vested interests added insult to injury.
I was touring a political play that touched on aspects of it all around the time and in talk back sessions we discussed the fact that Blair had a heart bypass at the time he sent people off to die and kill knowing that he had misled us all. The metaphoric idea of his heart being bypassed so he didn't have to feel for anyone was a recurring theme.
Mentioned the movie 'official secrets' recently. Well worth a watch
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In reply to Post #201
It was a lovely dinner
"MSM not picking it up is worrying yes, world news have, itv have... why haven’t the MSM? The sun has but F them. The mirror did too. If they can run stories about Nigel who got his hand stuck in a usb slot or some Z list celeb going to the shop in trackies or whatever tripe they deem ‘news’ but not this then it is worrying as someone is trying to not let the masses know about it. Wouldn’t fit Murdochs agenda for sure.."
So the 2 biggest Tory hating papers are ignoring it and you go on to list several news outlets reporting it so WTF is it a conspiratorial blackout or not! It cant be a blackout if its in Hansard, tweeted by HoP and reported on by news outlets.
Maybe the G and I will pickup on it for tomorrows headlines or keep it on the blackout list not mentioning it
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In reply to Post #193
I have to agree Scozza
What an absolute mess Iraq has turned into, the Iraqi people have suffered incredible injustice at the hands of the so called western democracies and for what?
Can you believe that some of those people in that documentary actually preferred life under a brutal dictator like Saddam than what has gone since, at least they had running water and electricity and lived in some form of relative safety depending of course on what tribe you come from, Sunni or Shia, but it clearly had descended into chaos and violence that is far worse than it ever was under Saddam, you dont see much about it on the news these days but i suspect the violence continues at a level
Terribly sad stories of utter hopelessness is probably what drives the hatred of the West, both Bush and Blair have blood on their hands but politicians come and go, its the mess thats left behind that affects all of us. How on earth Blair was given the title of middle east peace envoy is beyond me!
Its particularly heart breaking to see the footage of the children in those war torn countries, children who should be playing, laughing enjoying an innocent childhood always look sad and bewildered and mentally scarred forever
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In reply to Post #200
MPs voted to not protect the NHS from foreign purchase. The amendment was to protect it from this in the trade bill so it couldn’t be put on the table. By explicitly voting against protecting it, it means they are open to it being sold off as part of a trade deal. If that wasn’t an intention then just vote to protect it as it makes no difference? Especially seeing how much they love to praise the NHS staff but not actually show any gratitude apart from a worthless clap.
You might believe that it is nothing to worry about, maybe you will once it’s all signed and sealed without anyone knowing until after pen is put to paper...you know when it’s too late.
MSM not picking it up is worrying yes, world news have, itv have... why haven’t the MSM? The sun has but F them. The mirror did too. If they can run stories about Nigel who got his hand stuck in a usb slot or some Z list celeb going to the shop in trackies or whatever tripe they deem ‘news’ but not this then it is worrying as someone is trying to not let the masses know about it. Wouldn’t fit Murdochs agenda for sure...
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In reply to Post #199
No i'm not saying it isn't real, and you say the MSM are hiding this, the same MSM who wet their pants over Cummings and his eyesight test
Oh you mean the Tories voted down amendments to a trade deal which doesn't protect or INCLUDE the NHS. Why didn't you say so rather than the cloak and dagger Jeremywasright sh@t.
The guardian and independent have had 24 hours to report this and haven't bothered I wonder why, maybe because its not worth reporting on at this stage. The same 2 papers who didn't check their sources over the Cummings debacle in a rush to get the story out.
If those 2 aren't bothered nor am I
Im off for my dinner
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In reply to Post #198
Are you saying it isnt real? Bit odd the house of commons twitter account announced the results if it's all fake.
Egg on your face for those that denied it would happen and vigorously defended the tories stating they would never do anything like that...clearly all looking a bit foolish right now, after saying the leaked report was all lies and fake news.
The fact it ISNT on MSM shows how worryingly corrupt MSM is. Why arent they running the story? Is it not in the public interest to know what has happened? Not even the lefty rags reporting it...something stinks does it not? Maybe straying in to conspiracy theory territory but lets be honest, it isn't a theory, its obvious corruption and social manipulation, it's real.
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In reply to Post #196
No defending of Tories or Boris here, but this blackout is so good but you managed to find it and obviously you are better than the Guardian, Independent and the MSM who all hate the Tories and Boris
Why hopefully followed by eggonyourface if its true its true!
Wouldn't it be on every news outlet now! As of 1 minute ago it was only trending on Twitter that great moral compass and news source.
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In reply to Post #194
How embarrassing but predictable. Russia will always try to destabilize the UK/EU/ USA that's a given. For us to be cowed by Russian money sloshing around London is unacceptable. Let's see the government response towards Russia and not the report.
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Are we all aware Tory MPs have voted against keeping the NHS in ownership of the British public?
The MSM blackout of it is frightening, bit odd considering all tories feel the MSM is totally against them...clearly not the case.
#CorbynWasRight trending strong on social media right now, hopefully followed by #EggOnYourFace
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In reply to Post #194
Only caught a snippet on the news but I did hear the phrase that in successive 'democratic votes and elections' the government had 'actively avoided investigating claims of Russian interference' ...
Oh dear....
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In reply to Post #192
And what a **** storm it turned out to be!
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Great watch on the Iraq war. It’s called Once upon a time In Iraq if anybody is interested. You can see part 1 on the BBC I player.
Shows the true reflection of war told through several people who were on the arse end of it, from victims to special forces and a whole variation of people, a little disturbing really
Very good program
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In reply to Post #191
Russia Report coming soon.
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Another shabby episode from Johnson with his attempt to rig the influential and supposedly independent Intelligence and Security Committee Chair. Putting his flunky fall guy Chris Grayling as the chair back fired when Ian Lewis voted for himself Subsequently getting booted out of the Tory Parliamentary Party.
You couldn't make it up
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Robert Maxwell's daughter, friend of prince Andrew, and general nonce-assistant ....
Her name is pronounced 'Jizz-Lane' surely?
Bloody MSM are making up all sorts of alternatives.
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In reply to Post #187
The Lancet article gives all the factors used and blurb but is a heavy read.
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In reply to Post #187
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521
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In reply to Post #186
Ok I'll see if I can find it and give it a read
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In reply to Post #185
The study conclusion is a global population collapse within 80 year's. Acute in certain countries, not a gradual decline.
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In reply to Post #184
However it pans out most of us won't be here to witness it. Future generations will see the changes gradually so it will be just a part of life for them.
I do find it difficult to believe that Italy figure though,
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In reply to Post #183
Yeah, this.
Quotes from the "experts":
"To be successful we need a fundamental rethink of global politics.
"The distribution of working-age populations will be crucial to whether humanity prospers or withers."
Wowzers.
@Mal, Children of Men is an incredible film
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In reply to Post #182
Yep, instead of points systems for immigration countries will be offering incentives for working age migrants. Who pays taxes to care for the huge old age population, who cares for them even. AI and robotics will have to take lots of jobs that populations can't fill etc. Sub Saharan Africa population will treble over this time so that's where your working population will come from. Putting incentives in place for people to have more children is a tricky proposition and bound to face opposition as does immigration.
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In reply to Post #181
now I'm intrigued...
what are you expecting? ageing population? more draw on resources to care for them?
genuinely asking
puts me in mind of the film 'Children of Men' (Clive Owen) - takes it to the nth degree. A REALLY good film
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In reply to Post #179
I just read about that this morning. V interesting. The impacts it will have are not what you might expect.
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In reply to Post #179
Good! It'll be too late by then though, the world will still be overpopulated for the resources available. That's if we dont destroy it before then.
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A fertility study by the University of Washington has some incredible projections.
Japan population 128 million now, 53 million by the end of the century. Italy population now 61 million, 28 million by the end of the century. UK projected to peak at 75 million dropping back to 71 million over the same time frame. China population 1.4 billion now, to 770 million by the end of the century.
Education and more women working is the reason apparently.
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please tax us properly
Imagine millionaires having to beg the government to tax them properly for the good of the nation. Goes to show the scale of incompetence at work in the government. Bet none of them are politicians or friends of either are they. Corruption runs deep.
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In reply to Post #176
posting this in here as well as the positive thoughts thread as it was something that came up a wee while back
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/free-nhs-parking-indefinitely?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blast2020-07-13
Petition to the Government for free NHS staff parking to continue indefinitely.
Not far off the 10,000 mark now...
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In reply to Post #175
Points based, innit! Hoorah!
So let's hope the brexiters who were sick of all those EU migrants cleaning their elderly relatives' bottoms are handy with a sponge.
High earning British lawyers with Polish cleaners will soon be replaced by high earning foreign born lawyers with enough points, and British cleaners. Will that make the brexit lot happy?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53382818
Care sector shafted again...? It's becoming a habit with this Government...
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In reply to Post #172
Wired Gov.
To be honest I'm not in the mood or in the right setting so I'm baling out again. The Arse have lost and I'm in the company of two Spuds and a fridge full of Hobgoblin. Only really came on here to check out the footy thread.
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Suppose they be accused of racism because they only went after the BAME sweat shop owners but ignored the British ones?
Not saying it’s right it ignore any of the crimes but there’s going to be British pedo gangs, British sweatshop owners, etc. Which are not being bought to justice too.
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In reply to Post #171
Was that from reading the actual report or from a newspaper columnist’s take on it?
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In reply to Post #170
From what I can remember a list of failures.
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In reply to Post #169
Did you read the report?
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In reply to Post #167
I was going to bale out but I'm now intrigued. Why was so little done about the Asian grooming/abuse scandal?
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Not sure if this is the right thread but seen as it covers many topics. I mentioned Communism and Cuba a while ago, terrible situation. Watch the Simon Reeve program on Cuba if you are interested , that’s the reality
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In reply to Post #165
If you read the Jay report and others you will find that the blind eye didn't exist to anything like the degree that has been exploited by the usual subjects, if at all. Dog-whistle stuff.
Don't let the evidence get in the way of your thought process though, go for the unsubstantiated rumours.
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In reply to Post #165
People couldn't work cash in hand if dodgy business owners played by employment rules though...
I'm taking a leaf out of your book too and also sodding off.
Have a good day all
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In reply to Post #163
EU workers being exploited don't make me laugh they want to work for cash in hand. Some of you lot really live in a different world.
Anyone want to comment on the comparison to the blind eye taken on the Asian grooming/abuse?
My point being not calling out for fear racism is wrong which was the real point I was trying to make before it was taken off course.
Actually don't bother I've heard enough for today.
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In reply to Post #153
Bit of a double edged sword. The vast majority of these employees won’t be employable in any other job and the company (who contribute whatever tax the accountant can’t fiddle) won’t survive on the profit margins paying minimum wage would leave them. So the government are left with X amount of people on the dole (still working cash in hand) and dried up tax revenue.
Not condoning it, but action could technically put more people into deeper poverty than turning a blind eye.
As usual, the poor get poorer
Haven’t heard much from Tommy the tit on this, isn’t specifically Islam related I suppose
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Read what I wrote again fella. I said EU workers were being exploited. The opposite of me calling them culprits.
My view of the police is that they deal in proof and fact where possible. If a person is suspected guilty, whatever their background, age, gender or favourite bloody tv show, then they will be investigated and if evidence supports it, they will be charged. Saying they don't because they would be accused of being racist is just a cop out (no pun intended).
Besides, there are enough examples of the police doing things on a daily basis that question intent due to racial profiling and that doesn't seem to stop them does it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53359269
and by way of balance - getting it right
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/09/serving-met-police-officer-charged-member-far-right-terror-group-12970013/?ito=push-notification&ci=22142&si=9412819
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In reply to Post #159
The link in your post is chock-full of references to exploitation and the minimum wage. What evidence is there of anyone not wanting to meddle other than that of government not enforcing their own legislation?
The EU workers aren't the culprits, they are being exploited.
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In reply to Post #158
Yeah sorry. Generalising in response to the Patel comment about Police.
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In reply to Post #157
So If the police were fully funded they'd be able to concentrate on such things? No because they'd be accused on racism.
Fully agree with black market labour but surprised you acknowledge that EU's are culprits. I would like to see it stamped out whoever is doing it.
Edit
Just remembered I'm talking to a very limited audience on this thread so I guess we'll never agree
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In reply to Post #156
My point wasn't about minimum wage but something much more general. A culture of not wanting to meddle in certain mis-doings in case they are accused of racism.
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In reply to Post #157
The police aren’t the agency that enforce minimum wage legislation.
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In reply to Post #155
Doesn't get much more diverse than round here so clearly that's not a problem for everyone...
Tinhead - pritti Patel making the same suggestion that you did. I still don't buy it tbh. More likely a police force not able to operate effectively after the huge cuts made by her party? Or just ineffective action all round?
And as I said, there are people of all backgrounds being exploited in these places so protecting them could hardly be see as discriminatory. Playing devils advocate - One could suggest that they might have done more if it wasn't BAME workers being exploited....
The important thing is that it's finally addressed and dealt with. Maybe then look at the other areas where business owners knowingly swerve the employment rules. Builders paying EU lads cash in hand so they can pay less and avoid NI etc. Restaurant and take away owners paying way less than minimum wage. There's too much of it about.
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In reply to Post #153
Gaslighting rubbish from the Home Secretary. Minimum wage enforcement is the job of HMRC not the council or police. How many prosecutions have there been for paying under the minimum wage? Why isn't she calling out the Treasury for inaction?
They knew. Even one of their local MPs (Andrew Bridgen) is on record saying the sweatshops are a national disgrace. Many investigations by the media have highlighted the problem to the government. A select committee's recommendations were all refused by government.
She is trying to deflect.
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In reply to Post #148
I am lucky to live in a street that still has that sense of community. local pub with a proper old school feel about it. neighbours who look out for each other. all the kids play out on the field / park out the back. my cat gets fed in at least 2 other houses!
Same as and very nice to. Lots of communitys are now so diverse that its simply not possible for one reason or another...........
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In reply to Post #153
A few people and shareholders making a lot of money on the back of modern slavery manufacturing conditions is more likely the reason.
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Regarding Leicester sweatshops
People not calling it out for fear of being called racist. A similar reason to why the Asian grooming/abuse scandal went unnoticed?
This is where trying to be anti racist is wrong.
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Is it me or does anyone else see so much fake news come out of the MAGA camp...which incidentally believe everything is fake news if it doesn’t fit their agenda.
Latest one is a protestor that has been left blind in his right eye after taking a direct hit from a tear gas canister from close range. He put a selfie of him in a hospital bed and the photo has been put side by side with a photo taken of him in the street directly after the incident with the caption “which eye?”, a claim that it’s not real and the eye has changed side in a continuity error.
I don’t think they are clever enough to realise a front facing camera on a phone flips the picture
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Convicted by a court of his peers and sentenced to jail Trump steps in and commutes the sentence of his mate Stone. He broke the law but won't face punishment. Banana Republic stuff.
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Firm with links to Gove and Cummings given Covid-19 contract without open tender
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jul/10/firm-with-links-to-gove-and-cummings-given-covid-19-contract-without-open-tender?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Joe Normal would've done it free.
PPE contracts to pest control firms, millions on a useless app to Cummings' mates.
No wonder they haven't published the Russia Report ... Looks like they've adopted Russian government practices as their model. Crooked *******s.
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In reply to Post #148
Agree Mal
Gone around me sadly, I suspect other places too
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In reply to Post #147
you make a good point scozza
I am lucky to live in a street that still has that sense of community. local pub with a proper old school feel about it. neighbours who look out for each other. all the kids play out on the field / park out the back. my cat gets fed in at least 2 other houses!
makes a massive difference to your everyday
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Anybody watching the one show?
Something I have discussed with my mates before. Two words. Community spirit, that’s what’s missing
I grew up in a pit village with working men and a pub culture but everybody on the street knew everybody and helped everybody, we were all close. I think we have completely lost it
One show tonight there was a street where the neighbours had ended up sitting outside their houses talking to each other. Straight away, bloke mentions a lad banging everything with his hands, buy him some drums for Christmas, straight away thought he had offended the Asians as they might not celebrate Christmas. Asian woman says, she would not be offended, that was nice
That could be what’s missing, the community bonds, everybody was in it together, no individualism and I think modern communities and house builds don’t help this
We don’t know or appreciate other communities values
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In reply to Post #144
I'm thinking beach house Jon
Was going to say hut but people might think there is some underlying racial agenda
Need to really think and filter everything we say nowadays
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In reply to Post #143
sod off you two
besides, they're all going to be 'youtubers' and make millions from posting cat videos...
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In reply to Post #140
Once you see them walk out of the door that’s it. Some will swim, some will sink
You must live REALLY close to a canal.
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In reply to Post #142
Hippy with passion. Oh those poor kids
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In reply to Post #141
I reckon he will do a good job, he’s a man with a passion, we know that
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In reply to Post #140
Once you see them walk out of the door that’s it. Some will swim, some will sink
None of them will have a chance, the drama queen would've turned them all into snowflakes by then.
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In reply to Post #137
Interesting what you say about kids Mal since you are dealing with all cases on a daily basis I guess. Once you see them walk out of the door that’s it. Some will swim, some will sink
I think leaving education up to the age of 18 minimum for example should be standard for all, possibly school, college course or trade training minimum etc. A couple of years up to 20 would be nice on a cheap labour scheme to get kids employed, gets the kids experience and helps businesses to be competitive by paying a percentage of lower set wages. I think kids going out into the big wide world at 16 is crazy for me, they are still kids.
We need to get our skills up to attract business and provide the skills and quality they are looking for, build in England not Europe for example should be the driver
It’s a bit like the old industrial revolution at the moment, lots of investment into automation, predominantly to reduce the human error element and head count to make them competitive, where as China and others are still big on head count and just exploiting people, paying them peanuts. All the profit is predominantly on reducing labour costs ffs. Not good business at all but if you want to compete...
The skills set will have to change too in the future
There are jobs about, my daughter was doing an accounts course which has fell on its arse. She is working at Tesco the moment order picking, only thing that pisses me off, she’s loving it. Which at the moment fair play but I wouldn’t like to think it was a long term option, her choice of course. There are jobs about but whether they pay enough to suit a persons livelihood is the problem sadly
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In reply to Post #137
But 6 months employment looks better on a Cv than 6 months sitting on arse
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In reply to Post #132
I think you know what has to happen. The most important thing is always getting your goods and services to market. That's how economies work. We must get a good economic deal with the EU our biggest market. China has chosen to put the squeeze on us now over Hong Kong, knowing we're gonna be knocking on the door for a trade deal. Guess what'll be top of their agenda? The USA has its own issues and the fallout of foreign and domestic policy of this administration has yet to fully unwind.
Hopefully this government are realists and not idealists.
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In reply to Post #136
True - but pretending that a 6 month work placement is the fix for 16-25 year olds isn't the answer either. I know I sound negative but with so many companies honestly saying that they will need less staff, it's simply a political move... Maybe I'll be proved wrong and all of the placements will turn into jobs?
I wish I did have the answer - any word from Average Joe?
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In reply to Post #135
we are facing unprecedented challenges and the sh*t that comes with it
I think we all know this. I know a lot of furloughed people and they are ****ting themselves. No good Sunak shrugging his shoulders and announcing there's nothing I can do we are all ****ed.
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In reply to Post #134
I get your point and agree - we could have heard a lot worse today.
I guess my point is that the 'lot worse' that we maybe could / should have heard today is the truth of what the country is facing. It's not pretty and maybe a bit brutal, but maybe it was time to just hold hands up and say 'we are facing unprecedented challenges and the sh*t that comes with it' - rather than use the youth as a distraction / pawns in political shenanigans
And this is from an idealist snowflake who actually likes Sunak!
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In reply to Post #133
So you don't know but at least you admit it.
It's so easy to criticise but not so easy to come up with a solution.
I shall ask my Joe Averages tomorrow to see if they have any ideas
BTW I haven't got the answers but we could have heard a lot worse today IMO.
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In reply to Post #132
some honesty?
sorry - i forgot it's politicians we're dealing with
tinhead - if I had the answer to the impending mass unemployment I could tour the world fixing economies and become a millionaire.
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In reply to Post #131
So what should happen?
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In reply to Post #130
not sure how you made that leap from what I said tinhead?
a lot of what Sunak has announced today are short term sweeteners. 'Kicking the can down the road'?
The kickstart idea will likely see a lot of companies paying lipservice to providing for young workers, in the same way the recent apprenticeship schemes have. Companies get the funding provided to them from the schemes - maybe even give youngsters a go for a spell after the scheme ends (but not always) - and then when cuts need to be made, it's the same youngster who are first out of the door.
As I said - it's government shifting bodies around to hide the truth of unemployment which is going to have an inevitable rise post lockdown / furlough.
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In reply to Post #129
So what should we do leave people jobless and bring in cheap imported labour?
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In reply to Post #128
I needed the sarcasm smiley....
I'd hate to be a kid leaving school in this climate. They're going to become pawns in the politics of 'recovery'. Shades of some of the worst of the old YTS schemes I think. It's all about shifting numbers so that the 'unemployed' figures don't spike. Call me cynical if you want, but short term plasters over gaping wounds aren't going to work.
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In reply to Post #127
I blame a number of things.
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In reply to Post #126
I blame the parents....
(well - not all of them)
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In reply to Post #125
For many generations most kids standard of living was an improvement over their parents.
Don't happen so much nowadays.
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In reply to Post #124
Spot on , every generation belittles the next , i'm just glad i'm not a teenager now though as it was hard enough in the 80's , poor sods , buying a house , even getting a job soon , it's going to be tough , young lads i know through cricket are no different than my generation ! give em a brake !
edited so the idiots wouldn't be out breaking kids legs
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In reply to Post #123
That's not news. I think the basic theme of those neolithic cave paintings found in France years ago was more or less "kids of today, they've got no chance".
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Tell you what’s wrong now shall I, with most things, not just education, life, the jilted generation, cyber space kids, they are ****ed
Snowflakes and trolls
Nobody has got a good word for anybody and everybody is a ****. Years ago, let’s say the 80’s you would have a fight and sort out your differences, now it’s just a complete joke and that’s cyber space for you, he said, she said. Not to mention kids worrying themselves to death, ****ing pathetic. Ganging up and bullying. There will be some SERIOUS psychological problems in the future sadly, it’s turning into a crazy world. How long before we can’t look each other in the eye and have a conversation without using buttons ffs!!!
It’s wrong
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Amazing really, we get a crisis that will drain our funds and they are trying to get people back to work. Shame they don’t look at this any other time
#****ing ****ers
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In reply to Post #119
Maybe reintroduce proper manual apprenticeships in the building trade, with City and guild qualifications at the end.
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In reply to Post #111
That's the sound little piggy makes when he pulls his snout out of the trough
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They will bring back the old yts schemes soon !
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In reply to Post #117
But i think they have to have a permanent position for them on completion.
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Kickstart scheme: 16-24yr olds to be employed with wages paid by government instead of on UC...minimum wage for 25hrs a week. Companies get £1,000 per employee on the scheme.
Sounds good, also sounds a bit like paying to have staff for the companies. Some big firms have signed up to it including barclays and sainsburys.
All well and good unless your 25+ I guess
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No such thing as a free lunch ... but Rishi will give you half (up to a tenner, no booze, in August etc. etc.) still not bad though. Hope it gives the hospitality sector a bit of a boost.
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In reply to Post #113
I know there was one back in 2017 / 2018 but that was sidelined of course. I think it was to scrap ALL charges - for visitors too - and govt said it would be too costly and that NHS would be subsidising people going shopping...
Wouldn't have taken much for someone to suggest the staff only free parking option though would it....?
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In reply to Post #113
We need to flog the private car parking companies in public and show them for what they are.
Hopefully they will concede and drastically reduce the charges to staff and then the government pay those charges.
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In reply to Post #112
It's sickening isn't it!!
Is there a national petition going round yet or not?
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Apologies for the copy and pastes, but it was quicker than typing the same figures out again...
On the NHS parking thing -
From Indeed, the jobs site, on hourly wages for Nursing staff ...
'The average NHS salary ranges from approximately £13,558 per year for Nursing Assistant to £52,846 per year for Clinical Lead Nurse. Average NHS hourly pay ranges from approximately £9.65 per hour for Healthcare Assistant to £60.00 per hour for Registered Nurse.'
From The Independent online ...
'Before the pandemic, NHS staff in England were paying between £1 and £4 an hour for parking outside hospitals. These charges were scrapped in Scotland and Wales in 2008.'
Imagine if you find your self at the extremes of both sets of figures there. Paid £9.65 per hour (before tax / NI etc.) - and then forking out £4 per hour to park. That's disgraceful. Especially in the wider context of the job that nurses do.
And charges were scrapped in Scotland and Wales 12 years ago....
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In reply to Post #103
Loved that little snort at the end. Delightfully Partridge-esque.
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In reply to Post #108
I think parking for visitors should be charged but the funds should go back to the NHS. Its easier to offload things and privateer them as opposed to manage them, our governments over the last few decades have been very good at this
Parking for doctors and nurses should be free though for me, part of their package.
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In reply to Post #108
Charging staff to park is wrong. I hate private parking companies.
Let's hope they do a U turn
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In reply to Post #105
Absolute joke. My missus is NHS and although they get a discount it’s still about £7 a shift. £21 a week (3 12hr shifts), £1,092 a year To go to work. All of the salary sacrifice car parks are on waiting lists. Car park ran by a third party that are more than happy to whack a ticket on a car even when they know it’s NHS staff.
Hospital sold the parking rights to keep their head above water a few years back.
Our country is ****ed up. Free healthcare but if you want to use it then you have to pay someone else £2.80 an hour.
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In reply to Post #106
Well said. They do a sterling job, we should be proud and assist them wherever we can
Not just when it suits
Nurses are HIGHLY stressed and the workloads are ridiculous and that’s down to all those idiots cutting the costs and reducing the numbers without out some proper thought. Seen it first hand. It’s wrong
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In reply to Post #105
I think Boris got the ball rolling with his comments but ffs - it should just be a lifetime pass for the NHS on parking
s
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Major govt policy news is released by the Telegraph before Sunak.
NHS staff having free parking cut. I know they stopped the clapping, but didn't realize they'd re-started the shafting.
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In reply to Post #103
as a typical Y10 lad at school might say....
WTAF?
maybe he thinks that Cummings actually stormed Barnard Castle in a Dominic Raab approved Game of Thrones fashion....
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Mark Francois. A full to the brim tub of self-parody, telling the chief of the defence staff that Cummings will be over to sort things out.
Another totally normal day.
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In reply to Post #100
i was thinking 'maybe that's why she's his EX sister in law...'
I think the stuff on market stalls and in smaller family business shops is one thing, but for a massive company like Boohoo to be part of the chain on this is the more surprising thing I guess.
nine 0 six - they'd all passed me by. I guess I subconsciously switch off from 'fashion' items. maybe someone could've done something about it all earlier eh?
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In reply to Post #99
It was a joke, I thought you may get excited
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In reply to Post #97
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In reply to Post #96
Your right, she started doing it mid nineties and did it for quite a few years!
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In reply to Post #95
did you tell your ex sister in law off?
No. Once tried to finger her though but she wasn’t having it
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In reply to Post #95
Chaps this has been going on for years. I lived in Tower Hamlets in the early 2000’s and it was the same there. All these wholesale clothing shops along Mile End Road and surrounding areas, if you looked at them there was a shop front for showing the clothes but above every shop was 3 or 4 floors with all the windows barred and clothing stacked on the window cills. In the summer with the windows open all you could here in the early morning late at night was sewing machines. I’m sure the bars weren’t there to protect the stock!
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In reply to Post #94
You're absolutely right that people working in these places are doing it because they need the job / income. In this country and abroad.
And regarding Nike... It's been known for years that they and others have dodgy practices and I can't understand how they are still endorsed by so many. Are they still doing it all as bad as they were? There's a short play called 'Trainers' that I sometimes do with the younger kids at school that explores the whole thing - good for them to get a bit of knowledge about it.
did you tell your ex sister in law off?
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In reply to Post #89
Happens in Bradford and Manchester too
My ex sister in law used to run few market stalls. People in the know go to the high street stores buy one of each garment, drop them off at the sweatshops and they will do identical copies for a fraction of the price, She used to pay about £5 for the equivalent of a £40 Top shop piece for example if buying in bulk and flog them for 1/2 the original price. The people working in them want jobs, blame the bent ****s for opening them and providing the service
Absolutely no different to what other leading "brands" such as Nike are doing in other countries, paying the people absolute peanuts, exporting it and charging us top dollar. Truth be know i bet most of these BLM people would ditch the swoosh and others if they knew the real truth
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In reply to Post #89
2017, C4: "Leicester sweatshops exposed"
2018, FT: "Exploitation in UK garment industry"
2019, BBC: "Leicester...fast fashion sweatshops"
Jan 2020, Guardian: "Alarm over UK fast fashion factories"
Saw this earlier. Damn MSM failing to report things as usual.
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In reply to Post #91
I doubt that as boohoo is joint owned.
I'd imagine their workforce/ supply chain includes BAME workers being exploited too so ....
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In reply to Post #89
Maybe the authorities don't want to be accused of picking on BAME.?
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In reply to Post #89
I was shocked too. Makes a mockery of the 'made in the uk' tag they use when selling the stuff. Primark and the like get a lot of stick for their foreign factories but it's surprising to see it's happening here too.
The clothing industry is appalling in lots of ways. Exploiting workers in terms of pay and conditions. Environmentallly it's terrible. Read a thing about the ecological damage done by making a single pair of jeans.... ridiculous
All so that people can buy a dress or shirt for a fiver every week.
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I found the recent stories about the sweat-shop clothing manufacturers in Leicester really surprising.
I assumed that sort of thing only happened in Asia. Don't these places ever get inspected by Health and Safety or similar? Did everyone know it was happening?
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In reply to Post #87
Altruistic or not
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In reply to Post #86
Fair enough.
Mine will be off to my sister. Not entirely altruistic as I bloody hate high street shopping!
She flippin does deserve it mind.
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In reply to Post #84
The theory is it isn't means tested so for everyone, hence the vouchers. Use them, lose them or pass them on upto you. Makes sense for the struggling High Street to get moving and job retention
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In reply to Post #83
False Widow spiders another example.
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In reply to Post #79
Is that absolutely everyone?
I'm sure there are plenty that don't need it. Like Alan Sugar and the winter fuel payment thing.
And all the mp's of course...
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In reply to Post #82
There are a few cases every year, I’m sure I read that there were a couple of cases in the US within the last fortnight or so but I can’t find the article now. Of course, Mongolia is close to China so this one will get loads of coverage.
Remember the ‘Summer of the Shark’ back in 2001. No increase in the amount of shark attacks but there was hysterical coverage up until the 9/11 attacks. It sold papers.
Flat Earth News by Nick Davies and Risk by Dan Gardner are worth reading to see how the news cycle and the inherent human misunderstanding of dangers can escalate what is probably a non-story into a BIG story.
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In reply to Post #81
Phew ..
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In reply to Post #80
Yes but if you believe the MSM didn't they have 30 new strains of Covid 19 three to four weeks ago.
Apparently the plague is now curable but if untreated leads to death, like every symptom of every illness if you search on Google.
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Yikes ...
http://news.sky.com/story/china-suspected-case-of-bubonic-plague-reported-in-inner-mongolia-12022119
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The News:
£500 for every adult and £250 for every child in the UK in High St vouchers. Seems a better idea than paying out dole money as the furlough scheme winds down and job loses go up.
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In reply to Post #77
https://oscar.go.com/news/oscar-history
MOTO?
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In reply to Post #76
Not a single Oscar nomination for the cast of the animated masterpieces they starred in either.
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In reply to Post #74
Damn goats always wanting to change the world order with the trolls.
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In reply to Post #73
thanks man
honestly I'm wasted here sometimes...
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In reply to Post #71
2 were deceptive little *******s and one resorted to mindless thuggery. No attempt to understand a different culture, engage in dialogue about ownership of said bridge, discuss the benefits of a plant based diet or offer themselves for stud to domesticate the species and support any troll children and their possible offspring that may have subsequently starved to death
Troll lives matter ✊🏼
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In reply to Post #70
excellent
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In reply to Post #71
Spoiler alert
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In reply to Post #69
Yep there were 3 actually. Two were smarter than the unfriendly uneducated troll and one was brave. They all lived happily ever after.
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In reply to Post #69
Loved that story when I was a kid.....
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In reply to Post #68
Well there was once a billy goat that wanted to cross the stream via a bridge where a troll lived....... 😘
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In reply to Post #67
Troll away then.
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In reply to Post #65
I'm a bit as well shall we leave them to it?
In reply to Post #66
Perfectly acceptable on this one IMO
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In reply to Post #64
Why when you can troll this one
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In reply to Post #64
I’m bored already
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In reply to Post #60
Now there's a politics thread how many will lose interest and go back to trolling the other threads?
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In reply to Post #62
Mine’s bigger than yours.
*apologies to whoever posted that recently, it was too good to just have the one outing.
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In reply to Post #59
Oh well at least it keeps those with superiority complex happy
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In reply to Post #59
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In reply to Post #58
Woo hoo Can’t wait 😂😂😂
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In reply to Post #58
This is why we can’t have nice things.
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In reply to Post #49
Too late this has become the politics thread and about time to I say
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In reply to Post #55
Well at least we've got another photo of the grinning d*ckwad holding a pint. I was worried we wouldn't see any more of them....
Wonder if Cummings popped into his local in Barnard Castle...
Greekskii- sod that. You can be my chancellor though if you do the Robin Hood thing
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I’ll run the country and you can all shut up.
Now bow before me!
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In reply to Post #46
God forbid Fromage gets into trouble. Certain people are bound to despise Davey for it
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In reply to Post #46
Sounds like a public spirited citizen doing the right thing to me. No bias at all.....
Noj - 'Political thread'
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In reply to Post #51
Fair enough mate. Could be worse, not worth getting irate about. Though we’re all guilty of the same lol
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In reply to Post #50
Was a generalisation and caught you up in this, soz, look at Riot, CV and Brexit then you will understand 😀 all it needs is Wayne and Greenskii to chip in and then it’s a full house 😂😂😂l
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In reply to Post #49
That was Noj but the other two examples I gave weren’t, I won’t have posts saying I’ve said something I haven’t
I’ve given the examples in post 44 mate
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In reply to Post #46
Usual suspects Fishie? I’m hardly ever on here these days, for obvious reasons!
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In reply to Post #47
Post 37 was a copy and paste of your words.
This is a prime example of why there isn’t a political thread
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In reply to Post #47
Mate as Mal knows I have had a few angry moments on here, try not to take it to much to heart life is to short 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #45
I tried that Mal earlier on in the thread where i told him that we disagree to a great extent but he then has to try and put words in a post that i clearly havent said, he needs to think before he hits the send button and starts slating people for no reason, he says he's copied my words....sorry but he hasnt and i wont put up with it!
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In reply to Post #43
Well that didn’t take long to degenerate into a right/left slanging match the usual suspects on both sides!
It’s a bit late in the day for angry hangovers Or maybe the sun, BBQ and vino was to much
Back to the news Ed “the grass” Davey must be well proud of himself - a strongly worded letter to the police! Farage is a **** but No one likes a grass
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Come on fellas. Take a breath. Agree to disagree.
This could be a really interesting thread. Ignore each other if you like. I do it at times and it saves on the grey hairs...
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In reply to Post #43
Ok I will be reporting you, where did I say I condone a police state?
And also where did I say I despised Communism, just because you are hiding behind your keyboard which you appear to do a lot of doesn’t mean you can dish out lies, you just don’t like it when someone stands up for themselves
You’ve already made disparaging comments about the county of Essex probably never having been there, but to be honest you appear to know very little about most things
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In reply to Post #41
Get off your soap box it's a copy of your words. Now go away. As I said I'll leave it there AGAIN.
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In reply to Post #36
Commulism's the future for many, it's the way China and Russia, Vietnam etc have changed from failed communist systems and is a real danger to democracy. Some of the authoritarians on here might like it I suppose.
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In reply to Post #37
I’m warning you now Ocelot if you make a statement about me again saying I’ve said something that I haven’t then I will report you to a moderator, you’ve done it twice so STOP it now,
If you want me to post the examples I will, I don’t mind you quoting stuff I’ve actually posted but I won’t tolerate you posting stuff I’ve said that I haven’t....is that clear!
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In reply to Post #37
Nobody rides my motorbikes !
This man explains perfectly why the word communist and socialist get manipulated to suite certain geopolitical agendas
link.
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In reply to Post #35
Agreed.
And it's a shame because it's so easy to do on a daily basis.
I lived in London for 12 years or so and would always try and pass my travel card on to someone after my final journey of the day. You'd think I was trying to French kiss their gran from some of the reactions I got from people!
And I hate those car parks where you have to put your number plate details into the machine so that you cant pass on to others.
Capitalism sucks
Edit - scozza, I wrote a song about that ages back. It won't be cropping up on the listening thread anytime soon, but I liked it
Edit 2 - I called it 'Kalashnikov messiah'
Just in case you were wondering
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In reply to Post #37
David Koresh had a community, or was that a cult
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In reply to Post #32
"COMMUNITY: A group of people living together and practising common ownership"
Yeah best leave it there again.
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In reply to Post #32
Communism has never existed , closest we have seen it is Cuba , but america made sure it could not succeed ,
However , you should look up democratic socialism , the countries that have managed it are now the best countries in the world to live with regard to standard of living , health care , wages and pensions , their schools are also leading the way , and they are the least corrupt politically ! their systems are built on a capitalist system with state ownership of certain things usually , health care , post , gas ,electric etc , railways ! of course it is not perfect , no system is ,and there is a perpetual fight against corruption , one we are loosing at the moment in the uk ! it is possible and over the next few years as people become more aware of it as they analyze their plights it could be possible !
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In reply to Post #33
It’s like I said Mal, there was a lot of that about at the beginning of Lockdown ( apart from the panic buying ) but sadly it evaporated with peoples’s consciences in no time at all, it might yet come back but I agree with you on that, if everyone helped out someone less fortunate than them then the world would be a better place but it doesn’t take too much for people to go back to me me me mode👎
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In reply to Post #32
Funny old world, two extremes for me, communism and the democratic world of greed and waste
I went to Cuba a few years ago, not nice to see if I’m honest. Used to chat to the hotel staff as you do, I thought they were on theirs arses due to trade embargoes, no the government. Nobody had a good word for them. I stayed in an iberostar hotel. The government charged them around £1500 per month per employee and then paid the employees absolute peanuts whilst the minority in charge where living in luxury. Was talking to a Gardner, he had qualified as a doctor, everybody can get a good education but then they can’t use it, lack of opportunities and the pay structure is kind of flat so they put all that effort in for virtually nothing. Went to Havana for a couple of nights, the poverty is unreal, again, not nice to see. Exploiting people really to the highest level. Think yourself lucky we live in our country. When you see the other side you know how lucky we are. We take a lot of stuff for granted sadly
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In reply to Post #30
They could let the Green mp have the casting vote...
Just an idea....
I think what I'm getting at with community is the sense of 'if I have more then I will help those who have less, or at least not begrudge them that help from others if it is truly needed.
Which isn't communism, and is not capitalism. However.... it's probably a stretch for most supposedly civilised countries....
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In reply to Post #29
I don’t despise Communism, I say it doesn’t work, find me the sentence where I say I despise Communism
COMMUNISM A theory or system of social organisation in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs
COMMUNITY A group of people living together and practising common ownership
Kind of similar in a basic sense and I did say to Mal I do know what you mean so please Ocelot don’t let’s get started again as I have no wish to get into a debate with you, clearly you and I disagree to a great extent so let’s just leave it there as I would much prefer to have a sensible debate in person rather than keyboard warrior to and fro-ing
I replied to Jon because I thought his post misrepresented the truth
As for community, I’ll tell you what kind of community I like and that’s the one where we all came out at 2000 on a Thursday night to clap for carers when the press were full of admiration for the population reporting how kind we had all become to each other with neighbours helping neighbours........and then a black man was killed by the police in the USA and everything changed back to us vs them, me vs you, black vs White, left vs right.......what a mess!
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In reply to Post #28
party funding would dry up pretty quickly I reckon
@post 30- that’s sort of the idea. They earn their money by thrashing out a compromise that the population benefit from rather than party donors or risk losing their jobs. The finer details might take a while, it’s usually something I only contemplate while intoxicated
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In reply to Post #27
There is a slight flaw in that system in that some would be from the left and some from the right, they would then need to vote in changes in Laws etc.... similar to what they do now and you would have to go with the majority....you can’t win Noj
There are far too many MP’s anyway, we don’t need 600 greedy ( not all ) privileged representatives, and as for that lot in the other chamber.....I’d abolish them straight away and save the country a fortune!
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In reply to Post #26
You despise Communism and say community is essentially the same thing. A couple of typo's?
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In reply to Post #27
I'm in!
Unfortunately it's too sensible an idea for any uk government to support....
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In reply to Post #25
As I’ve said previously, a coalition of ministers voted for independently on personal merit rather than political association would be the ideal situation for me.
You might even see a green with more power than his/her/their Nissan leaf
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In reply to Post #25
Community rather than communism. How about that as an idea?
I think they’re the same thing essentially Mal but I know what you mean
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In reply to Post #10
George Orwell wrote a good story about it too.
Human nature and pure communism don't mix unfortunately. As a species we appear to have a selfish trait that goes beyond fight or flight / natural selection etc. And teeters over the edge into a real relish in f***ing other people over and enjoying their downfall and misfortune.
Community rather than communism. How about that as an idea?
Actually I really like that. I'm running for election on that ticket. Vote me!
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In reply to Post #23
I don't think anyone apart from you would see it that way. Joe average doesn't agree.
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In reply to Post #21
Yes it's the new excuse everyone can use.
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In reply to Post #19
Precisely what I mean about the rich and powerful Jon, Spanker says Capitalism is self corrupting but as for the alternative, Socialism or god forbid Communism,believe me there is no more a corrupt system than the one in Russia and China, and as for the champagne socialists we have in this country in the Labour Party, if ever there was hypocrisy then it’s staring us all in the eyes there!
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In reply to Post #14
Your applied logic makes it the same?
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In reply to Post #16
Craig Murray ,Julian Assange , both being persecuted by the state at the moment !
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In reply to Post #16
Sorry, he sounded pissed and traveled to Greece via Bulgaria against Foreign Office advice and Greek attempts to stop UK residents arriving, but you carry on knowing your place compared to the toffs. They won't thank you for it, but it'll be appreciated.
Support opening 'air bridges' by all means, but as a UK resident, to be taken seriously, don't do so from Greece FFS.
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In reply to Post #12
That's an interesting concept that government and leaders have no influence on the people in the country they govern
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In reply to Post #15
No never heard of Germany is it in East Anglia?
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In reply to Post #11
Jon says Stan was pissed....was he? I watched the clip and he seemed to be advocating opening up an air- bridge between Greece and the U.K., unless I missed something he didn’t mention anything about ‘little people’ or the rules not being for ‘people of his stature’?I just want people to post stuff that’s true and not to try and embellish what they see for their own purpose, probably why I hate the BBC because they only report half the truth most of the time, why we can’t get back to good honest truthful reporting I don’t know
Where are the John Pilger’s of today’s journalists?
Great song by the way Sir B👍
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In reply to Post #12
Have you heard of Germany? Apparently their car industry will stop brexit being a complete st1tshow....
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In reply to Post #12
It's all hindsight. Borrowing from the logic used earlier in the Pastor thread when we voted our politicians in we didn't ask them of their knowledge of viruses.
Ooh La La
As I say what's this got to do with Stan's Greece holiday?
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In reply to Post #12
Smack in the gob , behave !
How did nearly every other country mange it , except the ones with populist leaders , coincidence ?
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In reply to Post #7
Does anyone honestly think that just because bo jo Or the tories are in charge that is why we have such a death toll
If you Honestly believe ANYONE could have done any better then you are deluded and you need to give yourself a serious smack in the gob For even thinking it
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In reply to Post #7
It's quickly shifted away from Stan, maybe carry on back on the other thread?
Interesting post Henry
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In reply to Post #9
I tend to agree with what you say about capitalism but what do you replace it with? We all of us are guilty of embracing it, I expect most on here own an iPhone or something similiar, drive a car, take holidays, aspire to own their own home, so please tell me what you replace it with?
Socialism, Marxism, communism don’t work, they are corrupt by their very nature as there will always be fat cats and rulers. Humans are greedy and that is the problem, if most people were happy with their lot then it would work ok but the powerful and rich don’t help
A little story here, in the late 70’s I spent six months in Israel working on. Kibbutz, in fact I worked on two, one was operated on a communal type of system where the profits were sunk back into the Kibbutz, the other was predominantly cotton growing which is very profitable and was run more as a business. On the first one, one of the jobs I did was working in the Kitchens prepping up food for the communal dining room, we were warned that some of the elderly Kibbutzniks might occasionally pop in and help themselves to bits and pieces and that we were to turn a blind eye to it, basically it was petty pilfering as there was food throughout the day at set times for all of the Kibbutz members, the Kibbutzniks and of course for us, the volunteers, some of them chose not to dine in the dining room and preferred to ‘steal’ food and cook at home as they had basic cooking facilities there, I know it appears that I have gone off on a tangent here but what I am trying to say is that these systems always eventually break down because of human nature which to many equals greed and selfishness. So I ask again if you don’t want Capitalism what do you replace it with?
That was in reply to Spanker not Mal
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In reply to Post #7
The Don would....
Oh hang on.... he already has
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I know i have mentioned it before , i think we are entering the most important time in this countries history post wwII with the laziest least component leader imaginable , the populist choice , peddled by our , not fit for purpose press , this country needs a huge shake up , as the financial times admitted , capitalism is self corrupting and it needs resetting ,
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In reply to Post #4
More of a comment on RS going on about locking things down while BJ was on holiday than a labour vs conservative thing.
With deaths the worst in Europe bar Belgium, I seriously doubt anyone, left or right, would have done worse than Johnson.
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In reply to Post #1
Stan's a Remainer so it's hard for him to accept a ruling
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In reply to Post #1
I don't think the penny has dropped yet that they didn't elect a leader by voting for Johnson.
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In reply to Post #1
Would that be one Rory 'Opium' Stewart the manspreader?
I'm no fan of Boris but Rory Stewart? come on!
And besides you cant categorically say anyone would have saved more lives, its alright with hindsight and i agree we've done very badly and it has been badly managed, still it could have been a lot worse....it could have been JC....and i dont mean Jesus Christ!
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In reply to Post #2
Wrong
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In reply to Post #1
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Maybe this could stop other threads getting dragged off topic by recent developments.
A thread about stuff in the news, that's not been covered by other discussions.
So, https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-53292142/coronavirus-uk-pm-s-father-says-he-hopes-for-air-bridge-with-greece
Pissed up Stanley Johnson explaining why the rules are for the little people, not for those of his stature, or Dom C, obvs.
For those who voted for Johnson as Conservative leader, don't you feel a bit embarrassed by it all? If you'd gone for Rory Stewart there'd be a good few thousand more pensioners alive today.
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NON Carp stuff