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In reply to Post #1397
Clearly there’s a HUGE problem Nationally for it
I wonder if all these Germans in our country are blaming this for their lack of success?
I doubt it. Now they are a nation of ambitious people if ever I have seen one!
You see, I don’t doubt there is some racism about, look at the 12 year old kid who has just got done for racially abusing the footballer. Mmmmm, 12 years old, I wonder why that is? **** wit father?
It will always be there for a long time to come and there is **** all the government can do about it, yes they can change the education system but there will always be bell ends in life.
We are in a completely different place to where we were 50 years ago, 40, 30 etc and things are going in the right direction but do not ever tell me there are no opportunities in our country, there are plenty if you want to do something about, end of story
Unless you want to blame everything and everybody, far easier ain’t it 
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In reply to Post #1399
If I were to say black people were fast runners due to their heritage I could be accused of being racist?
In reply to Post #1400
Isn't the government a bunch of liars and can't be trusted?
That's a joke BTW
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some of you might want to download this report
You know, where government statistics state that by race, poverty is double in black than it is in white. In fact white poverty is lowest out of any race. Are you really saying that the cause of that is solely because of laziness?
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In reply to Post #1394
I know plenty of people of most races. As far as we know most are descended from migrants who came to work from Africa, Asia, Europe and the Caribbean; the percentage of the black population here who are directly related to freed slaves is minuscule compared to the US.
Although those from the Caribbean obviously came to be there through the slave trade. I remember Michael Johnson during the olympics talking about natural selection/survivors of the journey creating populations in the Caribbean and southern states who were genetically supercharged and to this day dominate most sports. Not really relevant but I find it interesting
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In reply to Post #1396
do you know what 'in spite of' means....?
if there was no racial inequality then the numbers of 'successful' black men and women would be higher.
your argument simply doesn't hold up.
the problem - as Greekskii has said - is that there are too many BAME people who are being held back from 'success' - sometimes even from a basic fair crack of the whip. I'm off for my government approved walk.
and you haven't answered my questions....
have a good evening man
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In reply to Post #1394
I bet your one of those who dont like the Germans because they bombed your grandads chip shop in the war!
Quite the opposite because I’m not thick  And they did a lot worse than bomb my grandad, he was one of the polish that made the journey through Siberia after having to flee the nazis, starting at the age of 14.
But like I said, I know the difference because I have brain cells. I’m not part of the “ten German bombers” tw*ts every time England play Germany. Just shows how un educated people aren’t doesn’t it, sadly on a match day there are hundreds of thousands of them up and down the country. Clearly there’s a HUGE problem Nationally for it. Should the British stop being lazy and educate themselves properly so they don’t sing, what you could call racist, songs about past events? A societal issue which needs addressing.
It’s funny how you get me so wrong, goes to show you don’t actually read anything I post properly.
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In reply to Post #1389
Perhaps because IN SPITE of systematic racial inequality
See, your talking rubbish again to try and justify your claims. If there was all this inequality they wouldn’t have got on would they!!!
Maybe it’s because they have done well at school, progressed through university, have good communication skills, can conduct themselves in a proper manner and get the respect they deserve instead of been a complete bell end, like I have already said, same with white folks too
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1393
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In reply to Post #1382
But if we want to get very simplistic then yes it is white peoples fault that black people have issues in this country, why? Because black people were bought over and asked to come to live and work here by white people. That started a long journey off and here we are today. If they hadn’t then it would be a different picture all together.
And that’s the whole problem isn’t it. Something that was right 100s of years ago. That’s called history, it’s gone, done with, something to reflect on and learn from. Maybe that’s the next step forward, forget about the past, we cannot do absolutely anything about it, done
I bet your one of those who dont like the Germans because they bombed your grandads chip shop in the war!
Just like your love of the police. You need to drop it, if you can’t then don’t expect anything to change, and guess what, that’s the same with everything else 
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In reply to Post #1389
the biggest barrier to that is people denying there's a problem
I don't think anyone on here is saying there isn't a problem Mal. We can agree with that
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1390
alright fishie? survived the river?
Dawn Butler may well have told porkies about rough sleeper numbers. No excuse for that and it's wrong.
It doesn't for one second excuse the racist abuse she - and her staff - have suffered though. The attacks have been based on her colour - not on her political comments.
As for MP's and schools / left wing politics, that's maybe for another thread?
I agree about positive role models - it's just stereotyping to assume that all black kids want to be rappers etc. as mentioned a few posts down on here. There's a nice quote regarding aspiration - 'you have to see it to be it'. If young BAME kids can see their role models in industry, management, finance, teaching, Police etc. then they can more readily aspire to it. It's been an argument for getting more girls into STEM subjects for years.
The story about you and your mate is great and credit to him for his approach. You might get accused of it being a 'fluffy' story but what the hell eh? If that was the norm across all areas then we'd have a lot less to worry about. Unfortunately it's not yet.
edit - tinhead, yeah i recall the discussion about it. it's scozza's perception of his workplace. and we also discussed the reasons why positive discrimination has had to persist. no going round in circles allowed.... although i do recall asking him a question back then that he never answered... 
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In reply to Post #1389
You seem to be suspicious of her appointment in the role
Going back a few days I seem to remember Scozza saying there's a lot of positive discrimination in his firm and that not always the best person was chosen. Now that can happen from time to time but if it becomes common then over time most people will become suspicious
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In reply to Post #1378
The same Dawn Butler who claimed to have 3,000 people sleeping rough in her constituency whilst the actual verified number of rough sleepers was 3,900 in the whole country 😡
The left do not want equality in the country whether it be north/south, rich/poor or black/white they thrive on division. How many Labour MP’s send their kids to private schools? I can think of 2 black MP’s who did not want their children educated in London state schools for a start! I wonder why for a party of the people?
Role models are required in all sectors not just rappers, DJ’s or sportsmen. I am talking about industry, health, finance, building and the likes. And let the black community shoulder some of the responsibility for this. They have to motivate their youth the same way the Asian community push their children forward. My mate joined the job at the same time I decided to specialise he decided on promotion. One black one white but motivated, we both decided to apply for different roles at the same time and he was told to take his application in person so they could see he was black. His reply was I don’t use my colour, if they want me they want me it’s on merit. We both got our roles 😀
My grandson who is 3/4 black his mother my step daughter was dual heritage and his father Jamaican. He was a pain growing up and always in trouble with the law and was taken into care at one stage. He turned 18 last year and has been unemployed since school. He had a child late last year and this has completely changed him. He got a job as a bin man via an agency in April at the start of COVID. He started with 20 others, black/white/asian. Now 4 months on he is still working has been offered a full time direct job and is the only one out of 20 still working. He has grown up, wants to give his son everything he should have and he sees the only way of doing this is working and supporting him. People just need focus, motivation and a will to succeed.
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8910 | | |
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In reply to Post #1385
you're posting pish again - in fact the same pish you post on here all the time.
it's you going round in circles with your 'i know some black blokes who don't work hard' and 'everyone has the same opportunities' and 'there's no racism where I live' sh*te.
Has it occurred to you that those blokes you work with might appear to have a chip on their shoulder because they have to hear your bull repeatedly? Maybe they just don't like you. Did you ever work with any white blokes who are lazy or have a bad attitude? Care to share those pearls of wisdom?
To answer your question 1
Perhaps because IN SPITE of systematic racial inequality, they have persevered and found opportunities where their skin colour has not been used as a reason to hold them back.
feel better now?
out of interest - are we viewing the fact that the black woman got a job at your place as a positive? - she's been successful in taking one of those 'opportunities for everyone' after all. You seem to be suspicious of her appointment in the role - would that be because she's black? or a woman? Would you have bothered to question it if a white bloke had got the job?
now - care to answer my question about Dawn Butler? Is there no problem with racism there? Is it her own fault? or because some black families have absent fathers?
as for nothing moving forward - the biggest barrier to that is people denying there's a problem and hence taking no positive action. simple really
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In reply to Post #1384
Don’t really get how that is a response to my post. There would be no black people in this country if white
People didn’t force and also ask them to come here. There would be no successful black people, nor would there be any poor ones either. That is why it is on a very simplistic level it is white peoples fault that black people have issues in this country.
Saying there is some successful doesn’t mean all of them are and there are no issues 
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NON Carp stuff