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   Old Thread  #1448 23 Jul 2020 at 5.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Donít really know what your post has to do with anything?
You clearly know what Iím saying in my post.
Not like you to have a problem with a clear fact though is it and try and twist it.

Iíll explain it for you anyway in simple terms just in case though;

British mentality seems to be that football celebrations are okay to not socially distance, not wear masks, not be careful as no one is condemning them on social media. Whereas BLM protests social media was awash with condemning even though many wore masks, many socially distanced and many were careful.
Therefore football seems to trump equality on the list of whatís actually important in the country because itís acceptable to ignore the pandemic for football but not for equality.

Tbh your mindset seems to be the exact mindset Iím talking about.
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   Old Thread  #1447 23 Jul 2020 at 4.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Football trumps equality apparently

Football has done more for BLM than anything else I have seen. Banning people, banners all over the grounds. BLM on their shirts, BLM one knee stance before kick off

Unless you know any different?
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   Old Thread  #1446 23 Jul 2020 at 3.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Worst thing is, I noted who it was and ive lost respect for for them tbh. Many probably have done it subconsciously as well and donít even realise their own low-key racist tendencies!!
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   Old Thread  #1445 23 Jul 2020 at 3.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same with the regular illegal raves and the flippin madness when the shops opened....

Makes you wonder if it was just an excuse for some people...

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   Old Thread  #1444 23 Jul 2020 at 2.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
odd times, and I think it says a lot about the mentality of Britain...

My facebook was full of people condemning BLM protests for potential to spread Covid...Liverpool and Leeds fans going bananas with no social distancing doesnt get a mention at all? Football trumps equality apparently. Sad when you think about it.
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   Old Thread  #1443 18 Jul 2020 at 2.01pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
John Lewis and Rev CT Vivian RIP

Two key figures in the civil rights movement from the 60s and compatriots of MLK Jr. Involved in moments of positive change that made real difference at the time.



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   Old Thread  #1442 14 Jul 2020 at 5.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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   Old Thread  #1441 14 Jul 2020 at 5.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yes and it will be available to everyone except you
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   Old Thread  #1440 14 Jul 2020 at 4.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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we also need a 'you're a d*ck' smiley...

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   Old Thread  #1439 14 Jul 2020 at 3.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not a fan of analogies so I was on a little wind up


We need a wind up smiley

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   Old Thread  #1438 14 Jul 2020 at 2.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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it does work for class and wealth - because both of those things are part of the bigger picture that is all linked. it could be applied to gender too i guess. Maybe think of City as being an upper middle class family in Alderley Edge with 2 Range Rovers, 3 dogs, a cleaner, ipads for all, disposable income... (I'm generalising but to make a simple point).

it's about inequalities that can make even a supposed level playing field unbalanced.

i can see how talking about it in football terms might be tricky for a gooner to grasp though...

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   Old Thread  #1437 14 Jul 2020 at 2.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But in your analogy the Wallets are equivalent to tax avoiding CEO's who get paid an obscene amount. Yes the vast majority of them will be white but your analogy works better when comparing class and wealth. Even Joe Average who is often labelled white privileged can't compete with that.
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   Old Thread  #1436 14 Jul 2020 at 2.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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when in doubt, a football analogy is always useful

I'd be interested in getting that pdf - the link too me to the Kickstart website which I assume isn't what you meant.

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   Old Thread  #1435 14 Jul 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree with a lot of what you say and nicely put

The link i posted earlier to a PDF did not work correctly. But it was an interesting read and does justify quite a bit of what you are saying. I dont dispute it, i dont dispute anything tbh but there are a LOT of factors to address here, its certainly not as clear cut as lot of people seem to think, a lot!

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   Old Thread  #1434 14 Jul 2020 at 12.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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morning scozza

I've never said that there aren't opportunities - just inequalities in those opportunities.

By way of a bit of emotional distance from the subject I'm going to use a footy analogy.

At the start of this season, every team in the Premier League - one could argue - had the chance to become champions. They all start on zero points, they all have to start the game with 11 players on the field, they all play the same number of games and each other home and away. Opportunities for all.

However, some teams are starting with a bigger squad - which means they can cope with unexpected situations like injuries or suspensions. Or a squad with better players - some even having spare better players who would be first choice at other clubs. They have state of the art training facilities for these bigger and better squads.Their 'home' is bigger and better equipped. Some teams know that if it's not going well, they can buy new players in January - and some teams can spend a LOT more on these players. Or they can sack their manager at great expense and bring in a highly paid replacement mid season (hello Jose). Some teams have to borrow players from the better off clubs - but then when they play that parent club that player can't play so the smaller club is disadvantaged and the bigger club is given even more of an advantage. The bigger clubs get to play in more lucrative competitions, widening the gap year on year. Then there are the unquantifiable elements like referees being swayed by the crowd at those big clubs - afraid to go against that mass of public opinion, even subconsciously. Perceptions about certain players being 'divers' or 'dirty' clouding judgement. Those opportunities for all are different now.

Yes there are those smaller clubs who 'work hard and apply themselves'. And on their day they might get a result against one of the bigger teams. But over the course of the season, the inequalities begin to show and the advantages for those bigger clubs take effect. At the end of the season the rewards are based on league position, so there will be clubs (like the Blades) who have worked their backsides off - one could easily argue they have worked harder than the bigger clubs - for ultimately less. And so the gap widens.

Occasionally there will be a team that bucks the trend - brilliant Leicester City. But that's the exception rather than the rule and the status quo is restored pretty quickly because the imbalances and inequalities will always favour the advantaged clubs.

And that's just looking at the Premier League. Further down the spiral it is even tougher. Look at Man City and Wigan over the past few weeks. City can buy their way out of a ban - £9million quid is not so much when you are working in budgets of billions. Wigan are facing points deductions and the resulting financial penalty because they've gone into administration during a pandemic where hundreds of businesses have failed. The inequalities come with further punishment for those who are disadvantaged.

So...

We've got stuck on the job thing - but it IS part of a much bigger picture with some real systematic issues that need addressing. Our society isn't fair - and I do think that we both want it to be. We maybe have differing views on how to get there based on what we see / hear each day.

Education - So much to say there. I agree it is key. And thankyou - I do teach with passion and with pride in my students' work. But that's a system that isn't perfect either. The lockdown has highlighted the huge disparity in opportunity for disadvantaged students even in something so simple as setting work to be done online. That's much easier for some - and practically impossible for others. The gap is widening and that is going to have a knock on effect for years. And that bigger picture comes into play again when you look at wealth disparity and race in the UK... (another can of worms). The government say - get kids back in schools to combat the disparity. Rather than tackle the root causes of it...

Right - I've done my essay now. That report link from Greekskii is worth a read

Hope you have a good day man.
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