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   Old Thread  #1328 4 Jul 2020 at 6.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thatís what Iím saying, donít teach of any atrocities until the emotional maturity and required time are available. We were made to watch roots at school, what did it achieve? Caused huge fights between black and white kids!
Also a lot of these historic ĎracistsĎ can be just as easily labelled as Ďof the timeí.
Iím not condoning it but how far do we go? You said yourself equality wonít happen overnight and these people were X years behind us and we are essentially nowhere in the struggle
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   Old Thread  #1327 4 Jul 2020 at 6.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Do you feel victimised in life, you sound like a very bitter person?

You need to read and more importantly understand my previous posts, itís a fact that some people have it and some do not and until everybody gets an opportunity such as a job there always will be, as I said earlier flowerpot, there ainít enough jobs, what should we do?

Bang on about history what we cannot change only learn from
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   Old Thread  #1326 4 Jul 2020 at 6.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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So you donít want equality then. Part of the issue then arenít you. I feel sad for you tbh that thatís how you view life Ēif youíre disadvantaged then screw you, work harder than others to get the same thing when you shouldnít have toĒ

Suppose you think paraplegics should crawl up stairs instead of getting ramps for wheelchairs too
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   Old Thread  #1325 4 Jul 2020 at 6.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Greekski, we had this the other day and it wasn't really about democracy, I was hoping you'd realise. It was about how difficult it is to choose which bits you teach. There's better things to be taught about in school's as Noj says. If you have the inclination it's something to do in your own time
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   Old Thread  #1324 4 Jul 2020 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like I said earlier,you may believe in individualism as a cure for all ills but society is changing. Even Johnson recently acknowledged "there really is such a thing as society" during this COVID-19 lockdown, quite a slap in the face for Thatcherite's.
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   Old Thread  #1323 4 Jul 2020 at 6.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just teaching the Ďgoodí bits isnít really teaching history though is it. Look when Churchill got racist sprayed on his statue. Everyone saying it isnít true. Well it was, they were just uneducated because of the curriculum not teaching them about their own heritage and the basis of their own society. Happy to teach the kids about other peopleís atrocities though. Maybe people would actually understand why there are people of other ethnic groups in this country if they learnt about the empire and subsequent commonwealth.
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   Old Thread  #1322 4 Jul 2020 at 6.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís called life, and that how it is in most places of the world. Compared to others we are in an exceptional position, you need to remember and respect this. Life is what you make it flowerpot
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   Old Thread  #1321 4 Jul 2020 at 6.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Again, having to work harder to get equality isnít equality is it

Whatís equal about one person having to work 3x as hard to get the same opportunities. Honestly canít make it up how you donít understand what equality actually is
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   Old Thread  #1320 4 Jul 2020 at 6.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Realist

Not like you flowerpot, 🌹 idealist

And equality is there if people are prepared to work toward it, otherwise, get what you get
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   Old Thread  #1319 4 Jul 2020 at 6.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I donít think forcing the teaching of past atrocities on kids at school and leaving history teachers to explain them on already limited time is fair and too open to being interpreted differently regionally and from one individual to another. Further education of young adults is different..
Parents should have the responsibility of raising their own children to be understanding of different cultures and leave teachers to concentrate on the curriculum. Itís not hidden history, the entire documented history of mankind is available online or at libraries for those interested. Sadly it occasionally breeds extremism and is dangerous to only touch on briefly with young, impressionable minds.
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   Old Thread  #1318 4 Jul 2020 at 5.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Similarly to you saying I never provide any detail on how to combat inequality. Why canít it be resolved? What is your reasoning for that being the case?
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   Old Thread  #1317 4 Jul 2020 at 5.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not with your attitude it canít. Youíre part of the problem. Pessimist more than an optimist. You donít want equality so donít see how it can be achieved and constantly put the idea down.

You honestly donít have much to say about the points I make. You donít want to acknowledge the REAL history not a selective history where bad things are erased. That education is key to progressing forward as a society.
Iíve given you multiple ways to stop discrimination and ensure equality. You just donít want to read it because itís actually sensible and doesnít fit your ďit wonít workĒ agenda.

Stop discrimination of all kinds. To the point you donít need diversity inclusion forms to force employers to consider BAME or disabled candidates. In an equal society that neednít exist because it doesnít matter. The fact it exists means we arenít anywhere near having equality to all.

Police could do a proper job and take drugs off the streets, remove child grooming for gangs and you stop children loads of kids dropping out of education and ending up a slave to gangs. Stop all crime. If you get life for nicking a loaf of bread people wouldnít do it. Theyíd stay in school and get an education. ďPolice need more fundingĒ I hear you say... then tax the rich properly like I said so the money is available. Stop spending pointless money on hs2 or £25m to a company to get PPE that has never traded and has no employees.

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   Old Thread  #1316 4 Jul 2020 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I typed a few paragraphs and then deleted them, sometimes you have to realise when you are just banging your head against a wall. You have still not resolved the equality issue or even looked at it have you, just another load of tosh skirting around the subject because you know it canít be resolved can it?
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   Old Thread  #1315 4 Jul 2020 at 4.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Disagree, history is written. If anything we should leave it alone, respect it and learn from it
Teaching the full story not just selective bits. For instance we donít teach anyone anything about the British empire. No one wants to change or delete history, just to tell the actual real history. Burying your head in the sand that the British empire didnít round up Africans and rape, torture and murder them in concentration camps after stealing their land is frankly incredibly sad. Itís omitted from education so how can anyone learn from it?

Everyone has equal rights in our country. Itís what you do that matters


They are meant to but they donít. For instance fathers donít have equal rights when it comes to parental custody. Men donít have equal rights when falsely accused of rape. Just this week a female judge let a woman off a jail sentence after she had a sexual relationship with a 14yr old boy because its was consensual and they had genuine feelingsí...reverse the genders and it would have never happened and been a national scandal.
Itís not equal rights to be racially profiled but it happens daily. Harsher punishments being for example if a police officer racially profiled and harasses someone they should lose their job instead of nothing happening. Theyíd stop pretty quickly.

As I said I didnít list the entire revamp of society thatís needed to create equality, just some. More learning resources instead of funding cuts to education would start. Thereís thousands of social and economic things that need to change before true equality can exist and none are easy to do when you have racism and people that are unwilling to try to better themselves and the country like yourself.

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   Old Thread  #1314 4 Jul 2020 at 4.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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