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   Old Thread  #248 8 Jun 2020 at 10.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What are we going to do about it?
Little bits at a time
Went to Hungary in February and they have some contentious statues that originally took pride of a place in Budapest main square but have been removed over the years to less prestigious places. The idea is they go there to learn about the past rather than celebrate it. That could’ve happened in Bristol but it’s too late, or is it?
Sorry pissing on Churchill is not the way forward unless you had preferred for him to be defeated and we'd all now be living under Nazi rule?

Let's hope the lack of social distancing this weekend doesn't set the R rate higher we don't want the government sighting these demos as the reason do we?

Another good post Fishie. Told you it was moreish

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Mal stop making excuses for people unless you make excuses for everyone
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   Old Thread  #247 8 Jun 2020 at 10.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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morning fishie

hard to resist eh?

I agree that the hijacking of a peaceful movement and protest is a problem. It undermines the argument because those who disagree have a 'see. I told you so' excuse to carry on with their behaviours. It isn't helped that these are the images that the media choose to run repeatedly rather than the thousands of people who have not p'd on churchill etc.

Luckily more and more people are recognising that the violence and damage is not the message of BLM and condemning those who are using it as a way of creating disorder. It's common knowledge that 'white supremist' organisations are sending in people to subvert and undermine the protests.

I'm glad the statues that glorify slave traders and sympathisers are coming down - it's ridiculous that they were still there to start with - but it does show that both our own and the US society have been built on years of racial oppression. They should have been taken down years ago by proper means... It does raise awareness of the history though. How many people are now more aware of Edward Colston as a result of this?

the pandemic issue is tricky. Flipping it on it's head, one could argue that it shows how vital it is to get the message across that people will risk infection to protest. Again, there are many who have peacefully protested WITH social distancing in place.

The job situation isn't so simple. Statements about employing underrepresented in adverts came about because of the inequalities in the recruitment system and while there are still people in charge who would use their position to preserve oppressive / discriminatory agendas then we need some form of redress. In an ideal world, all applicants would be treated fairly - we've some way to go yet...

Your story about Mrs fishie shows that people need to be sensible with this - however I would say that the reaction of the two women - who I won't label - is easily attributed to years and years of seeing things like this happen where the story is exactly as they thought it could be. Maybe it's a lesson learned for them to take away - objectively speaking I'd still rather people speak out and be corrected in an instance like this than walk on by and say nothing...
It's easy to apologise for being wrong in a situation if your intentions are good.

Hope your dad's ok and good luck for him coming home today
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   Old Thread  #246 8 Jun 2020 at 10.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Well said

I think this thread is just like thrashing the water to a foam. Like somebody mentioned below. What are we going to do about it?

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   Old Thread  #245 8 Jun 2020 at 9.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Pissing on the cenotaph and trying to burn the flags hanging there show how much the political activists are using the mainly peaceful demonstrations as a cover. Its a chance to overturn society and they are grabbing it with both hands. Society will change and has to change but it will take time!

In the middle of a pandemic it is not the time to hold mass demonstrations the same same people attending these demonstrations will be whinging today about the death toll and the rates of new infections, they will totally gloss over the fact that they have possibly added to these figures and how the government and this racist bug is affecting society.

In a true representative society the fundamentals have to be established and with this you have to get rid of quotas, positive discrimination as well as discrimination and everyone earns their place on merit not because of underrepresentation. No more job adverts with Female and BAME are underrepresented in this role and are positively encouraged to apply.

What i could see of the London protest could be put in a category of BAME's who this affects most and most want peaceful change, The the usual peaceful professional protester who turn up because its happening and those who actually want change. The other section was the London centric Left wing activists, politically motivated students and black gang members. I wonder which section were firing flares, chucking bikes at horses and causing the trouble?

Just a note for the liberal elite never judge a book by its cover. A few years ago my Mrs was having an argument with 2 black people on the street, a couple of passing white people, let me describe them as liberal white female activists, started joining in the argument and berating my Mrs for berating the 2 black people and started slagging her off for her racist, white, stereotypical attitude. At the end it was only the 2 activists shouting at my missus until both the black people told them to keep their noses out. The liberals started explaining they were their for them to show support against the racist white woman. Thats when the bombshell was dropped that the racist white woman was the mother and grandmother of the 2 black people and that the liberals should **** off with their stereotypical ideals and blinkered approach. it runs both ways does racism and perceived racism.
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   Old Thread  #244 8 Jun 2020 at 5.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have no desire to watch right wing 'intellectuals' trying to deny racism


Theres so many of them about isn’t there?

Just because everyone has the right to being treated equally doesn’t mean they are. Simple as that. There’s employment studies where BAME people were less likely to get an interview that white people solely based on a different name on an identical CV. Laws exist to stop this happening but they still do (2016/17 this was conducted). A racist in a position of power creates inequality. Racism is learnt behaviour based on upbringing and society.

Much the same as most football supporters will tell your they hate the French and Germans and Argentinians, well pretty much any other country tbh. Solely based on having been beaten by them once or twice, this example also proves how people flippant and dismissive people are of their own behaviours because they’ll then support the German star striker of their domestic team. Chanting about German bombers and the RAF, basically saying “we killed your grandfathers or great grandfathers” is deemed acceptable across the nation because you want to beat them at football?

To simply deny that racism exists in our society is because you are in denial...or doing that BNP **** where you can’t accept that white people have flaws.
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   Old Thread  #243 7 Jun 2020 at 10.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I've seen plenty of Trump's cronies jailed and charged. Did you?
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   Old Thread  #242 7 Jun 2020 at 10.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi bb

I'm tired so I'll keep this succinct....

You did
What you think isn't the issue
None of the poor whites are held back because they are black
Successful despite racism
Yes it is amazing in such a racist environment
What you think isn't the issue. And in this case is insulting
I have no desire to watch right wing 'intellectuals' trying to deny racism. And 40 per cent is still 40 per cent too much.
As above but with 30 per cent
Systematic racism IS the issue. That's the point.

Stay safe

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   Old Thread  #241 7 Jun 2020 at 9.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Ocelot,

Finally got round to you, it's been busy today.
Trump gets things done despite Nancy Pelosi ripping up his speeches at the State of the Union address.
Trump was a businessman with the drive to become a billionaire, not a career politician like Obama.

Follow the current Senate hearings exposing the Obama administration, weaponising the
Justice Dept, the CIA and the FBI to spy on the Trump administration. How the DNC via Hillary Clinton, paid 7 million dollars to an ex MI6 agent Christopher Steel via a company called Fusion to liaise with Russians he knew, to try and dig up dirt on Trump and which produced the phoney Russian collusion dossier.
The FBI knowingly used this phoney dossier along with a corrupted E mail to obtain Fisa warrants, which a judge passes and gives permission to spy on US citizens. They used the warrants to spy on several of Trump's people, including General Mike Flynn, who they targeted with a perjury trap and since has had the charges dropped by the current Attourney General. This corruption has been dragged out by crooked Democrats and media for 3.5 years, but new evidence and documents have finally been declassified which show the level of corruption. Re Flynn, one document has a handwritten note by a senior FBI agent saying, " what is our objective here, to get him to lie, so to get him fired or prosecuted? "
Watch this space. Hopefully, some of these criminals will be getting jail time.

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   Old Thread  #240 7 Jun 2020 at 9.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
BB , your ideology and why things don't change

link .

I didn't want to post this shi* , but we live in a democracy , make your own minds up between this and my previous link
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   Old Thread  #239 7 Jun 2020 at 9.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don’t mate, respect, at least your honest

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   Old Thread  #238 7 Jun 2020 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I feel all guilty now , but for a good cause , your never to old to change !

BB , "the myth of systemic racism" seriously !
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   Old Thread  #237 7 Jun 2020 at 9.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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found it , here you go

link .


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   Old Thread  #236 7 Jun 2020 at 9.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I like a honest man mate

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   Old Thread  #235 7 Jun 2020 at 9.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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BB , yep sorry , i got two articles mixed up !
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   Old Thread  #234 7 Jun 2020 at 9.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Spanker,

I'm sorry but I don't know how to post up links, but I can give you the full title to type on U tube
The Rubin Report the Myth of Systemic Racism pt 2 with Coleman Hughes.
If you're interested, also watch the Rubin Report Black lives Matter with Larry Elder.
Re what I said Trump did for the black community, then go to ABC News Senator Tim Scott on Biden's you ain't black comment.

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