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In reply to Post #677
Point 1 I just meant that if someone bombs the granny out your country you’re more likely to go there to get a new life because you probably think they owe you it and you know they’ll likely accept you and give you a fair bit. Revenge may be one reason but I meant it as “take away my life then you can give me a new one” type thing. Reparations if you want to call it that.
Points 2&3. That is a solution to an issue but I was just talking about some of the reasons they bypass other countries to come here. We have many EEs here earning money and looking for a better life, why would refugees settle in the countries they are leaving to come here?
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In reply to Post #680
Win what?
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In reply to Post #663
You pick and choose your fights in a big world of competing ideologies to eventually win. 
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In reply to Post #662
The universal suffrage type. You?
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In reply to Post #676
Depends on how desperate I was to flee a country. My main concern in that position would be to keep safe rather than illegally travel 1000's of miles to cherry pick the UK
Sorry but I think a good proportion are not genuine asylum seekers and could be economic migrants.
I know others may have differing views but I really must be going to bed soon.
Good night
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In reply to Post #675
I politely say don't think we're going to agree on much here.
Point 1 seems to suggest they come here for revenge. Maybe that's true but we must try to protect ourselves from such people.
Point 2 and 3 can be overcome by toughening our welfare systems so only the genuinely needy get benefits and those who are not genuine asylum seekers get nothing except refused entry. And those that are genuine asylum are treated fairly but not given preferential treatment over and above our own needy people. You may argue that doesn't happen but that's the perception of many and if true needs addressing.
Point 4. Sounds to me a country that takes pride in itself which is only natural but to be honest I hear more people saying we're **** and getting worse rather than saying we're great.
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In reply to Post #674
What if they speak better English than German or French or Greek or Italian? What if they have familial ties here that would enable them to better carve out a new life for themselves as they escape whatever horrors they have been forced to leave?
If I had to leave here I’d be trying to go somewhere I’d feel most comfortable I’d be able to rebuild and contribute, wouldn’t you?
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In reply to Post #674
Got to remember that 1. They see Britain as part of the reason they are seeking asylum so they’ll come here to get back that which was destroyed by us 2. Half the countries they passed through end up in Britain looking for a better quality of life and earning potential, 3. They see what refugees get here compared to other countries and 4. British people make the rod for their own back claiming “we are the greatest country in the world”... well if you don’t have anything anymore, where are you going go start a new life... the “greatest country in the world” seems a logical option.
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In reply to Post #672
Yes but risking life and limb to make the crossing to here can't be right when they've travelled through umpteen safe countries is the view of many.
In Reoly to #673
No copy and paste.
Well that's ****ed it for a few on here hasn't it 
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| | | mal | | Posts: 8986 |  | |
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Well....
There are lots of similar things being said and some interesting points tonight.
Some things to ponder maybe....
Our repeated bombing and support of civil wars within other countries adds to the numbers of those seeking asylum which then becomes a 'problem' for some. Closing our borders to those who need asylum as a result of our direct / indirect action, or our turning a blind eye / inaction is just plain ****ty.
Our interventions cited as fighting for democracy are - it would seem - carefully chosen depending on oil reserves, business contracts for infrastructure rebuilds and the supported appointment of sympathetic new regimes.
We have saved some people from dictatorship
But not always picked up our mess after ourselves
Democracy is easily exploited by those in power.
2000 words on the topic of your choice. No copy and paste. On my desk first thing Friday please.
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In reply to Post #671
So under international law we are not neighbours of troubled countries so not obliged to take asylum seekers
There is no requirement under the UN Refugee Convention (the applicable law) for those seeking refuge to claim asylum in the first safe country they enter.
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In reply to Post #669
Freedom of movement means no border checks?
Anyway the point I was trying to make is I'm all for a share of genuine asylum seekers if it's fair.
I think I see what Gregskii is trying to get at this time. Some countries try to make changes and make mistakes and some countries do **** all. There's a saying do **** all and you'll never do anything wrong. TBH I'd prefer ii if we were one of the countries but we are not. So under international law we are not neighbours of troubled countries so not obliged to take asylum seekers but as I say I'm happy for us to take a fair share.
The world is not fair. I'm sure most of us want it to be but our differing views mean we may not be able to agree what is fair.
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In reply to Post #667
I see what you mean now.
Problem with all our political parties is that they'd rather try to score points off each other rather than actually do what's best. Much of the public already sees this and many of the rest are beginning to see it as well. A good election strategy could be to rise above the point scoring and personal attacks. Politics is just as much to do with personalities nowadays, come across as the good guy who doesn't bitch and you may be onto a winner?
PS
Maybe that's more hopeful thinking than reality 
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In reply to Post #665
That's not 'freedom of movement', it's 'lack of border checks between some EU states'. Two very different things.
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In reply to Post #665
I’ve always believed that the countries which do the damage should take the refugees. Out of the EU there is no obligation to house them. EU countries have taken plenty of refugees, especially Syrians. Germany, France, etc. They should be shipped to America as it’s them doing the most damage yet they take none... great set up that is. We bomb them and you take the people that survive.
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