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In reply to Post #721
It's got an elected government an armed forces the police a healthcare system and girls can go to school. Hard won.
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In reply to Post #719
In the capacity as to how democracy has failed there. Not talking about reasons for being there, although it was to dismantle al-qaeda who were based there. Subsequently leading to the Taliban asking for definitive proof it was al-Queda and not getting any so denied to extradite bin laden. Kicking off the supposed “must” of removing them from power in Afghanistan as they were claimed to be working with and protecting al-Qaeda thus being part of the threat to global security.
Regardless, your only come back is about a NATO article 5 invoking which means you either totally ignored the rest of what I said or you haven’t got a way to argue it so haven’t bothered.
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In reply to Post #719
You need to do some reading , maybe look up the Iranian democracy , overthrown by an America coup 1953 , i cant believe people still believe in America as the worlds police force ! it's embarrassing , America invading Afghanistan after 9/11 , why not Saudi Arabia where nearly all of the 9/11 bombers come from , come on wake up !
Wars to sustain an empire !
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In reply to Post #715
You keep banging on about Afghanistan, don't forget it was NATO clause 5 action. Like it or not we had to go in. Once in we've tried to support a democracy in an exceptional part of the world.
Edit: You've come up with daft questions before, why would you want to cause a Nuclear war?
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We should set up a secret task force to execute on sight any adult wearing a tracksuit that isn’t running and those carrying a man bag. Prisoners get a pack of seeds, a tent and a corner of a remote Scottish island; thrive or die, develop the land prisons are on. A&E admissions due to drink get euthanised and sent to landfill. Make class A drugs legal and free with 2l syringes. Fathers not paying child support neutered. Unemployed people with dogs they can’t feed are canned and fed to said dog. Those on benefits are given a dynamo exercise bike and must generate a daily quota of electricity for the national grid or be executed along with the tracksuit ****s. Controversial, but it’ll save a few bob; the man bag mob disappearing is just a hidden sweetener I slipped in
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In reply to Post #716
Interesting point that. If that’s the case then, don’t ever come moaning they have a crap life 
Edit for your edit.
I used that as an example. Accept what you get or do something about it. Choices, there are lots in this free country of ours, if you want to take them of course. If you don’t, accept what you get
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In reply to Post #713
That some people take more out of society than they put in, while having a pretty crap life? Yep, not worth worrying about as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't swap places with them.
Tax dodgers who get away with millions ... Now they're worth getting upset about.
Scozza, you do come across as disproportionately frustrated by ex goat herds who are unwilling to retrain, but perhaps you weren't moaning.
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In reply to Post #711
Again like I said Afghanistan is one of the most corrupt political systems in the world since we “exported democracy” to them. Iraq one of the most politically unstable since we “exported democracy” to them. Why is that something to be proud of? Why is going to Libya something to be proud of when it was found that it was all based on lies...again...like Iraq. If you find pride in those things then that’s up to you but I’d have thought it would be more of a proud thing to have established a working, actually democratic democracy, not a corrupt one. Then again as I’ve already said, the democracy in Britain isn’t even democratic so can’t blame them if we exported this system to them. Probably taught them how to be corrupt too.
Looking at ex soviet countries the population that have lived under both soviet and democratic rule will tell you that when it was soviet at least they had something. Now they have nothing because once again it’s corrupt to the eyeballs. But I guess we were at the forefront of making it like that for those countries too.
If Britain is “at the forefront of exporting democracy” then why haven’t they to places like China and North Korea? That’s what I want to know because as you think that Britain is the worlds saviour why haven’t they gone and saved those people?
I’ll make the point, in which you seem to be mistaken and hung up on, I’m not against democracy as a way to govern an country. I just don’t see how murdering hundreds of thousands of innocent people to install democracy in a country is something to be proud of.
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In reply to Post #712
No moaning for me Jon. It’s a thread for public discussions. If I didn’t want to comment I wouldn’t
People have their views, mine are below
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In reply to Post #712
When you say we shouldn't moan about are you saying we should just accept it without question?
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In reply to Post #710
It's always been like that, always will be. Chances are that brexit will mean fewer EU folk picking your sprouts and more people from other countries who will want the right to come to the Uk in exchange for some trade deal.
No point moaning about it. Some people take the piss, others are a bit daft. Pay your taxes and move on... Otherwise you just get stuck in a cycle of who's more worthy of your anger. Is it the workshy dole scrounger on a couple of hundred quid or the bloke costing the system thousands for treatment for cancer caused by smoking? How about those in car crashes who were speeding? Fatties, drinkers, people who never exercise?
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In reply to Post #703
We've established that democracies very rarely go to war with each other, an extremely good thing. Other major competing ideologies. Monarchy, aristocracy and oligarchy have generally be confined to the rubbish bin of history. Fascism had a go and was smashed by democracies and communist countries. Russian Communism was confronted by democracies over the long term and the Soviet Union collapsed. Over half the world's population live under democratic institutions, again a very good thing. All of the ideologies mentioned above fought against democracy and failed. Britain has always been at the forefront of conflicts with competing ideologies due to our historical position in the world, exporting democracy I'd say, forcing onto you say.
Like I say how many democracies have gone back to the other options?
That's something to be proud of I'd say.
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In reply to Post #709
No, I’m saying there are foreign workers in the U.K.doing the jobs that people in the U.K. don’t want to, English, foreigners, you name it
What do you think about U-turn number 318 last week giving poor kids food during the summer?
Saw it in the news, didn’t think much about it, what do you want me to say Jon, it’s wrong or right?
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In reply to Post #708
So you're saying there are foreign workers in the UK because other foreigners can't be bothered to do anything because they get everything free?
What do you think about U-turn number 318 last week giving poor kids food during the summer?
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In reply to Post #706
I say it how I see it Bob, it’s a frustrating situation.
It all goes back to social status for me and the will to get of their arses and do something other than complain, blame others and the “system” nothing comes on plate, you have to fight a little along the way. That’s if you REALLY want it of course
We are at an advantage since we get a free education in this country for starters, if you want to participate that is! and that is If! And this is a major problem for me. The if!
Wonder how many of these complainers got on at school. Some may not have a natural talent for it but we all can have a will and an urge to want a job but more importantly be able to hold a job down through presenting ourselves in a decent manner and communicating well with others helps for starters. There’s a problem for you for starters, attitudes
And while ever qualifications dictate jobs, which dictates the salaries which in turn dictates your livelihood don’t expect **** all unless you participate and try your best. Otherwise, you get what you get, wrong or right, that’s the reality
So mr X. You used to be a goat herder, what qualifications have you got, ur, mmmm, none. OK, you could look at a hands on roles such as a waiter, a cleaner or a cabbage picker etc? **** that I can sit around on my arse all day
How about trying to improve your education, language or some training to make you more employable. **** that, a cant be bovered
And that’s why there are foreign workers in this country doing their jobs, the jobs that they do not want
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