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In reply to Post #64
The old Aqua black label stuff is UK made, the more modern black label stuff isn't (AFAIA)
Pukka are branding some products on their site as 100% British, but not all.
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#64 8 Jun 2020 at 11.01pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #63
Are you sure the aqua black label range is uk made ?
I would highly doubt the pukka range of clothing is uk made either probably the branding and extra bits are but that would be all
but stand to be corrected
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#63 8 Jun 2020 at 10.36pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #1
Right,
Been looking into this as this pandemic came at a time when I was starting to build up a three rod set up.
I currently have a lighter two rod set up which is dual use for Chub/Barbel/Carp to high doubles on smaller venues
So,
This is what I've gathered. There may be some discrepancies based on products built cheaply for high volume sales
Shimano - Japanese/Taiwan/Malaysia. Unsure of items such as the "Beastmaster/Alivio/Powerloop" range
Daiwa - Scottish Factory manufacture a large amount. Unsure of items such as the "Black Widow/D Carp" range
Cotswold - UK
Aqua - Union Jack/Black Label range - UK
Matrix - UK
Solar with the Lockey Label - UK
Defiant MPS - UK
Chris Brown Products - UK
Nix - UK
Gardner - TLB Alarms Made in the UK
Jag - UK
Nbrice - UK
Born & Bred - UK
Heritage - UK
Pukka Carping Rags - Some items of clothing UK made
Summit - UK
Dymag - UK
Feel free to add your own...
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#62 8 Apr 2020 at 11.09am | | | |
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Dragons Den on Sunday night...
'If you shift manufacture to China we can bring that unit cost down....'
It's like a mantra for British business owners to increase profits... can't see it changing as if they did decide to bring production in to the uk costs would increase and they'd simply pass that on to the consumer who would seek cheaper options from.... china maybe?
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In reply to Post #60
Strange because I remember reading that the business had been neglected due to the fact the management spent to much time fishing abroad and it was the bank that stepped in and rescued it. The production of the then small range was shipped over seas to maximise margins which gave the necessary capital to invest in new products, Kevin has always been good at the development side of things.
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In reply to Post #59
I remember a Kevin Nash interview, when he said that he was forced to seek production abroad in the 90’s, because British women (who used to be the main workers on production lines and factories) suddenly decided that they wanted office jobs and were no longer interested in factory jobs. Although this may sound a little sexist, I suppose it is true. During and post war factories were always full of women of all ages, but I can’t imagine that happening now.
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In reply to Post #58
Do we actually manufacture anything here now apart from high end niche market goods?
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In reply to Post #1
This Country has changed from being "the workshop of the world" to a service economy. I think a lot of Companies are looking at how they struggled to get supplies from the far east and looking into if it would be better to produce it here. Unfortunately it is cheaper to produce stuff overseas, especially in China. I hope that when this pandemic is over and the massive global recession and mass unemployment it will cause will see some sort of re balance. Sorry to be a cheery soul but the world has changed and it will never be quite the same again. Apparently we didn't make any ventilators in this Country (several manufacturers doing so now.) If we have to import them, we'll also be last in the queue to receive them as the manufacturing Countries will keep them for themselves (and who could blame them?)
Years ago goods carried a "Made in Great Britain" tag and it made you feel better buying goods you knew were produced in the Country and ensured employment. When we leave the EU, perhaps that could make a comeback? I have been as guilty as the next person in buying as cheaply as possible but it always troubled me that in doing so the rich traders have been making profits whilst the squeezed middle class were forced into McJobs to keep the wheels turning.
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In reply to Post #56
I will do when I next speak to her. A 30 second Google shows everything though.
https://ww.fashionnetwork.com/news/made-in-italy-by-chinese-workers,377237.html
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In reply to Post #55
Can you ask your sister what designer brands do that?
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In reply to Post #54
My sister goes to Milan every year with her shops owner to buy in the top end handbags, shoes etc for her shop in Alderley Edge. Has done for 20 year's. In that time she tells me that it's all Chinese businessmen nowadays in the fashion industry of the Milan region. They outsourced the manufacture of designer brands to the Chinese but wanted to keep the Made in Italy badge. So the Chinese firms brought their workers over to work in Chinese owned factories in the region. Hence the high travel rates between Milan and China.
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Any reason why Lombardy first and not say Rome, Naples, London or Berlin?
Don't know, and until the 'patient zero' for the Lombardy outbreak is identified, it's just speculation.
The first outbreak was in Codugno, which is a pretty small town which doesnt have much industry.
I'm pretty sure you could easily find out how many flights from the Wuhan area arrive in Milan compared with Rome, London etc. I fly regularly from the three Milan airports, I've never noticed more Chinese around compared with other airports. Google it ... I'd be interested to know.
No doubt the virus came from China, but whether it was a tourist, a businessman or someone else of either or any nationality is anyone's guess. Local media were speculating that patient zero could have been a German businessman a couple of weeks ago.
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In reply to Post #52
If after laughing at him Jon still chooses to answer you it'll be accurate as he lives in northern Italy and is experiencing the devastation first hand.
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In reply to Post #51
Any reason why Lombardy first and not say Rome, Naples, London or Berlin?
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Isn't the reason the region in Italy was hit so hard because of outsourcing? Having outsourced all the fashion industry, which the region is known for, to China, the travelling of people between Milan and China is unusually high. Helping the virus to spread quickly.
Seems they're paying dearly now for the low cost.
No it isn't.
... and clothes are cheaper in the UK.
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Isn't the reason the region in Italy was hit so hard because of outsourcing? Having outsourced all the fashion industry, which the region is known for, to China, the travelling of people between Milan and China is unusually high. Helping the virus to spread quickly.
Seems they're paying dearly now for the low cost.
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#49 1 Apr 2020 at 12.47pm | | | |
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Perhaps a bit of perspective from our glass house before we start throwing Trump sized stones at China....
You want to see images of animal cruelty? You don't need to look further than the RSPCA
You want to see poor people exploited? Look at Amnesty International and their figures for ALL countries. Or look at the way our businesses use zero hours contracts...
You want to boycott goods made in China? Well you can start by throwing out most of what you own and then prepare to pay a hugely inflated price for replacements in the future.... So many things you take for granted outsource manufacture to China because of the cheap labour costs. Ever seen Dragons Den where they condone / recommend this on a regular basis...?
You want to stop dealing with countries with poor human rights records? Then say goodbye to your fuel as I don't think the North Sea oil is going to cover it...
It's nice to have a knee jerk scapegoat but we get it very wrong here too and so do our western compatriots.
These things are awful in China and they are awful in the West too.
Just saying
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#48 1 Apr 2020 at 12.03pm | | | |
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palm oil is another thing that needs looking into.. 
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#47 1 Apr 2020 at 11.49am | | | |
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I'd imagine these British companies listed are still using chinese made tools etc to produce their British products also?
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Travel restrictions won’t be helping the importers of wild animals. Same way coca and poppy farmers won’t be feeding their kids in South America and the Middle East.
Unfortunately it’s a situation of our own doing. we are a nation of service providers and shopkeepers.
The shopkeepers want better margins that our manufacturing can’t give them, so we have mass unemployment which costs X billion of service provider and retailers tax to support.
you could make a good argument for an almost compulsory low paying manufacturing sector here with no benefit system. We could save billions, sell at a loss to drive out and bankrupt worldwide competition.
and suddenly we’re China.
Bring back the workhouse!
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In reply to Post #44
Who is going to stop them though?
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In reply to Post #43
Just look for the videos available. Our brutality pales into insignificance.
This Chinese disease opened my eyes.
Barbarians.
Sorry.
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#43 31 Mar 2020 at 11.06pm | | | |
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I agree the world should put pressure on them to treat animals with respect
The trouble is that the liberals have always got to make excuses for peoples behaviour this is wartime people are dying and the enemy has no uniform
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#42 31 Mar 2020 at 10.51pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #40
I care about the animals and my surroundings.
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#41 31 Mar 2020 at 10.43pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #39
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#40 31 Mar 2020 at 10.42pm | | | |
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Why would they care about any animals when they will happily flood valleys killing thousands of their own people in the name of progree.
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#39 31 Mar 2020 at 10.37pm | | | |
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Wheres all the ivory going..... rhinos nearly gone and elephants wont be far off, tigers bones and teeth too, had enough of this crap all because of an emerging economy with draconian myths, ********, pull the plug on the wrong uns and do it now.
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#38 31 Mar 2020 at 10.34pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #37
Try keep up,that's already been said 
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#37 31 Mar 2020 at 10.27pm | | | |
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What about BSE and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease?
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#36 31 Mar 2020 at 10.22pm | | | |
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Plenty of geopolitical reasons why you would 
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#35 31 Mar 2020 at 10.09pm | | | |
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100% agree
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#34 31 Mar 2020 at 10.06pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #30
Done the terracotta warriors the wall and the yanktze, mindblowing
But dont forget the bird flu SARS jobby and cats and dogs in cages, dont get all mushy with this crew they are responsible for the mass extension of many species with more to come, cutting off sharks fins and throwing them back live for soup effin barbaric and needs sorting it's a disgrace to humanity and nature
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#33 31 Mar 2020 at 10.02pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #24
I saw a video on FB other day , Chinese guy frying a live skinned dog in a wok , I was nearly sick
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#32 31 Mar 2020 at 9.49pm | | | |
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Manufacturing in China has always done and will continue to do so because of their low cost.
But China is not alone when it comes to low cost services - you've also got Eastern Europe for manufacturing and software , India pretty much the same, Mexico also which many US companies take advantage of.
In business you have to think with your head if you are to survive. Cost per head is expensive in the developed world so you have to look to these low cost regions if your are going to gain a foothold .
Sadly the UK has been left behind due to decades of poor investment though it still has great innovation & is very respected globablly with its record of innovation & academia.
The world is made up of a finite number of very wealthy persons who's investments in companies etc keep us all in jobs, without that flow of money we'd all cease to exist, so you have to except these types are a necessary evil.
20 years ago BT turned to huawei for their network infrastructure, it's funny how many forget that we've so much to thank the Chinese for.
I've been to China, the provinces going back 20 years watched rice fields become city's, the pace of innovation has been incredible as is their work ethic (something we could learn from) all I'd say is don't be swayed by what you read, yes chickens feet and snake not for me 
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#31 31 Mar 2020 at 9.49pm | | | |
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Let's hope not. But let's not forget about mad cow disease, foot and mouth, and the salmonella issues that have all happened within the past 25 years.
I agree that China or more importantly the Chinese Government needs to step up its game with its laws. But let's not start painting 1.3 Billion people, many who have lived in severe poverty and for years a communist state with the same brush.
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#30 31 Mar 2020 at 9.46pm | | | |
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Theres no way donny is going to sign off 2.2trillion without giving the architects of this mess the bill, no way josey.
He signed it like another day at the office, the bill will already on it's way to the wuhan meat hole
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#29 31 Mar 2020 at 9.41pm | | | |
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There is certainly nothing that would cause worldwide deaths and people losing loved ones
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#28 31 Mar 2020 at 9.40pm | | | |
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No need an American law firm have already started we won't do it because the liberals will put a stop to it
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#27 31 Mar 2020 at 9.35pm | | | |
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There's no animal cruelty in the UK food industry either no?
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#26 31 Mar 2020 at 9.34pm | | | |
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Speak to your lawyer, You may be onto.something. 🤣
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#25 31 Mar 2020 at 9.32pm | | | |
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I think China should be sued for trillions when this is over eating bats dogs ect see a programme other day they cut the fins off baby sharks and throw them back in the water still alive I think people should boycott there goods
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#24 31 Mar 2020 at 9.30pm | | | |
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So the whole of China has Zero respect for any living thing? That's a big statement.
Some people would argue that animal lovers wouldn't put a hook through a fishes mouth and drag it out of its environment just for a photo.
I'm all for light hearted banter but just don't understand your thinking.
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#23 31 Mar 2020 at 9.21pm | | | |
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Calm down mate. It was a hypothetical question, so don’t get so excited.
Why is everything taken so seriously on here?!
The reason I was talking about boycotting Chinese manufacturing has little to do with the Coronavirus outbreak, as we still don’t know the full facts, only the things that the press is spoon feeding us.
My reason “Hypothetically” is because: A, being a massive animal lover, it repulses me how they have zero respect for any living thing. And B, it would be nice to see industry and manufacturing re-blossom elsewhere, rather than the Chinese industry having monopoly on it. Simple as that really.
But back to the original question....what about Edwards Custom Upgrades?!
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#22 31 Mar 2020 at 8.44pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #21
Zips, thread, dyes etc.
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#21 31 Mar 2020 at 8.36pm | | | |
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I think that's where I'm going.
I don't think you can get away with at least something coming from China or the Far East at least.
I hesitated a bit about Cotswold Aquarius because I was wondering where they got the material/cloth from.
I know a guy who runs a very successful cloth supplying business and he gets a lot of his stock from the Far East.
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#20 31 Mar 2020 at 8.32pm | | | |
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It's daft though isn't it. Even if products are made in the UK what about the tools used to make them? What about the transport?
It's all very silly
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#19 31 Mar 2020 at 8.28pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #18
Defiant MPS ?
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#18 31 Mar 2020 at 8.26pm | | | |
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Cotswold is a good call.....
Jag another
Delkim?? Maybe some parts from China being electronics not sure
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#17 31 Mar 2020 at 8.24pm | | | |
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Fuji
Harrison
Pac Bay
Seymo(?)
Berkeley
Awa shima
Shimano
Some companies have models and products made in China
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#16 31 Mar 2020 at 8.22pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #15
Cotswold Aquarius?
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#15 31 Mar 2020 at 8.21pm | | | |
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Good point..
Any ideas?
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#14 31 Mar 2020 at 8.20pm | | | |
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I’d imagine many of the the guides too.
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#13 31 Mar 2020 at 8.17pm | | | |
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In reply to Post #12
Century use ALPS real seats - made in China. So probably unsuitable for the OP
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#12 31 Mar 2020 at 8.14pm | | | |
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Century - Rods produced in England
Be nice to see some threads actually start and finish on topic
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#11 31 Mar 2020 at 8.13pm | | | |
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Plus there are many many UK companies that depend on the Chinese manufacturing Nd simply could not exist or would have been unable to start without them.
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#10 31 Mar 2020 at 8.11pm | | | |
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Goose - that's a different matter to the coronavirus one which I do agree with for certain things. If the OP was referring to this then ok but I'm guessing it's because of the Covid-19 pandemic.
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In reply to Post #7
Fair comment to some degree
However these very same Chinese are now charging us for all the medical equipment etc. needed. They covered up the facts for many weeks as they didn’t want their economy ruined....so now the whole world has it and they are now Ok......
The Chinese economy is massive and should be offering free medical equipment and help for those now suffering!!!!!
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In reply to Post #5
Because manufacturers globally have gone China for their manufacture to increase profit margins putting the workforce they employed to build the brand out of wor but making themselves and /shareholders wealthy. In the meantime making China the richest most powerful country on earth, if not now it very soon will be. Why any government would want to depend on a communist regime for the manufacture of so much of its consumer needs is rediculous.
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In reply to Post #6
I thought it might be.
How about some empathy for a country that has lost 1000s of people to the virus?
"But they eat bats and dogs n stuff" I hear you cry.
People really should do some reading before calling for quite frankly daft calls on boycotting carp tackle🤣
Try reading about communism and the reasons as to why a small minority of Chinese people eat certain exotic animals.
Fun fact - Large areas and amounts of people in India look at eating beef as disgusting and completely imoral.
There's over a billion people in China, are you coming to boycot every single company? What about vegetarians who have companies? What about other countries that have similar markets?
Are we also boycotting African companies incase we get Ebola?
What about Chinese people in the UK? No takeaways for you then.
Admittedly, Chinese authorities need to learn from this and look into practices at markets like the one in Wuhan, but come on. Boycotting all Chinese made goods? That's probably as impossible as it is pointless.
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In reply to Post #5
I’m assuming to make a stand because of them being the source of the coronavirus. I’m sure the Chinese government are quaking in their boots about a boycott on carp tackle 😂
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In reply to Post #4
Why would anyone want to avoid 'buying chinese' ?
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In reply to Post #2
So we can avoid buying Chinese would be the obvious answer
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In reply to Post #2
Maybe because he can ?
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In reply to Post #1
Why would you want to do that?
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I just read an interesting post on FB, about boycotting anything manufactured in China.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to do this, but know that it is extremely unrealistic, as probably 95% of anything we buy is made there. But out of interest, can we compile a list of companies and items that are actually made elsewhere?
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