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Thoughts on this fellas?
https://youtu.be/_wxQpWkl0BY
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In reply to Post #63
I like those beads, massive step forward in fish safety for me, brilliant 
The only thing I found poor and eventually put me off them was the tapered silicone section that the bead sat on, didn’t last long after a few fish on bottom baits. Not sure if they have improved this yet?
No doubt, for me the helicopter is on of the best set ups about or has been for me over the years 
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In reply to Post #64
It is a fact that all angling poses some level of danger to fish. All we can do is minimise the risk by good practice, good gear used the right way. Fish care is a state of mind. It should tell you where, when, how to fish and when not to fish in a particular way. Catching should come a long way second. When you've landed a fish, it's care is your priority, not the next fish.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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In reply to Post #61
Those fused leaders are awful, the loop is far too thick as is the material itself.
A short leader with lead attached and Korda drop off beads is really the best option if you must use something, then you only have minimal abrasion resistance though and people will make them longer and longer as they feel their own success is of more importance than fish welfare.. it’s a slippery slope
Then you have people distance casting with light mainline, 4 or 5 turns of heavy braid on the spool, a second leader and a lead clip or heli set up... make your own mind up about that
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In reply to Post #62
All about percentages for me too. I also agree about the possible environmental impacts of dropping the lead so I don't. If your rig is not deliberately set up to eject the lead and even if it is the only rig that can possibly leave a fish with just the hook link is a fixed lead helicopter. The danger as always is incorrect use of components. I use Korda no trace beads and have complete faith in them. They release easily and consistently. A fixed lead is what makes them work. I have never landed a trailer with a failed heli set up, they have always been barbed hooks on lead clips with tangled twisted line the fish can't pull away from. I sleep easily at night. A barbless hook on an 8 ins hook length will be gone within minutes.
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In reply to Post #61
It’s about percentages for me
I don’t agree on dropping leads, unknown environmental impact but if there is one thing that will snag a fish this is number 1, towing 3oz about, especially on a helicopter if the hook length is locked up against the top bead and the lead is a few feet away dragging through snags or weed etc., not going to shake that out is it?
Number 2, towing a hook length, clip or bead and swivel if a run rig is used and a leader if used and a length of line with the lead dropped, key point, no lead, the heavy bit...
Number 3. A helicopter in theory is perfect if it all pulls off nicely and the fish is left with a hooklink only. The reality is when the line parts above a leadcore leader people just assume the swivel will come off, the reality is, it does not as the one i found with a bead on the piece of silicone that did not pull off
So which risk do you want to take, that’s the question. If you are a lover of big old carp then you have to live with the decision that if your line parts you can sleep comfortable on a night knowing that the fish will swim another day. It’s as simple as that. Over to you
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There is never going to be agreement on this. All rigs can be dangerous in different conditions. All I would say is that in a perfect world a properly constructed heli rig is the only one that can consistently leave a fish with the hook length only(provided you don't drop the lead). It's the only set up I use a leader with. By a leader I mean short (3ft) lead core or fused. I feel happy with this.
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In reply to Post #59
Agree. My point is about helicopters and the bead not coming off, that’s deadly
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In reply to Post #58
Exactly that Noj.
“Nothing for me is as good as a helicopter but I won’t compromise on fish safety, it’s a trade off for me”
That doesn’t make any sense Scozza. If you get cut off with clips you are 100% leaving the fish trailing your leader. At least with the helicopters they have the chance of being left with only a hooklink.
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| | | noj | | Posts: 11459 | | | Social photographer... | |
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The only thing to actually improve the ‘safety’ of carp since people moved away from hooklinks light enough to give them a sporting chance.... Covid 19 
Everything else is a theoretical best case scenario.
You can’t use a lead clip or running lead on a leader and claim dropping leads on a helicopter set up as dangerous because they all have the same potential outcome.
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This has been done to death on here over the years. A long time ago there was a great thread on snag fishing and after plenty of falling out everybody came to agree that the safest method was a run rig and a barbless hook was the safest method
I have been a massive fan of lead core but for the last few years I decided to drop it because it can be dangerous, especially in the wrong hands!
The video below is very good but if you use leadcore in weed, especially blanket weed It can wrap up and cover the top bead, I have had this many times, and if you have a long length of leadcore above the top bead, this has the potential to fold fold over and lock the bead, couple this with weed and it is not coming off. I have to say those safety beads are a very good step forward though. Beats a piece of spaghetti!
A few years ago now there was a lad fishing near me and I was watching him play a fish out, next thing he had lost it. I was having a chat with him, said he had a hook pull. The following day I went down and fished the same spot, thats where the fish were. As I sat there a fish kept swirling under the weed, just didn’t look right to me, they don’t do that. I cast a lead over it to see what was going off, after a few attempts I picked a line up, I managed to get hold of it and pull it all back towards me, at the net a massive ball of weed and one absolutely exhausted 20lb mirror that was connected to a lead core ball of weed. I still have the picture somewhere of the leadcore. He didn’t have a hook pull, it had got weeded and he had pulled and got a break. Luckily I managed to free it. Certainly gets you thinking.
The trouble is with carp fishing we are conditioned to use things that we don’t really need. The first clear leaders were made by TFG before everybody jumped on the bandwagon. I was straight onto them, anything for an edge and then I realised, no difference to my catch rate and why do I want to use something so thick when there are other alternatives!
For the last few years I have used mono to around 5 foot of Fluoro carbon for the simple reason I get the sink factor of the Fluoro and also loose the horrible casting nature of Fluoro, so as I see it the best of both worlds. I also use an ESP lead clip since I cannot find a better alternative for a lead connection at the moment. I don’t like lead clips at all, there is too much free movement before a fish hits the lead and I am aware that it costs me fish now and again. That my personal choice of course. Nothing for me is as good as a helicopter but I won’t compromise on fish safety, it’s a trade off for me
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If I think I may need to have the lead drop on a helicoptor setup (only if fishing near heavy weed beds), I will use the 6lb breaking strain C Clips, which will only drop the lead should it become snagged up & if a top bead takes 6lb pressure to dislodge it, then it is too tight even for a standard lead on a traditional clip at end of the leader! The top bead should come off with a shake of the hooklink. I know that I can shake a 1.5oz lead on the end of a leader with a C clip on it & the top bead will dislodge with ease. If it doesn't, then it doesn't get cast out!
Also seems to be a lot of anglers that will use too light of a mainline with leadcore or any high breaking strain leader. I will always use the heaviest mainline I can get away with (usually 0.38mm+ which with a good knot will break at least 18lb breaking strain usually a lot more!).
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In reply to Post #53
I think you have to be signed into FB and then it's in a group that you may have to be a member of 
I've asked him to put it up on YouTube, don't know if he will of course
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In reply to Post #52
Hmm says links broken for me
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