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   Old Thread  #2648 13 May 2020 at 7.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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crikey that's not confusing is it?

Hope he's ok.

Yeah - big hospital in Barrow that will be taking in from a lot of the South Cumbria peninsula I guess...

The football team was looking a dead cert to get promotion back to the football league as well... They can't buy a break up there at the minute.
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   Old Thread  #2647 13 May 2020 at 7.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I saw that but doesnít it have a hospital so that might be skewing the figures, as an extended family member was in hospital and had 1 positive, 1 false positive and 1 clear. So would he have counted as 2 or 1 positive 🤷🏼‍♂️
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   Old Thread  #2646 13 May 2020 at 6.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Just read that my old home town is top of the pile for C-19 infection rate

https://metro.co.uk/2020/05/13/tiny-remote-town-has-12698361/?ico=pushly-notifcation-small&utm_source=pushly

Apparently the 'tiny, remote town' (say that to their faces I dare ya) is showing the highest rate due to a mix of more testing, a 'bit of deprivation' and the population density in a largely terraced housing area among other things. Basically it's working class - you can't build submarines from home....

mind you - the town has a decent record when it comes to dealing with nasty little diseases - ask Tommy Robinson....





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   Old Thread  #2645 13 May 2020 at 3.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Interesting post.........

THIS IS FROM A DOCTOR WORKING IN BROADGREEN HOSPITAL: KNOWS A GREAT DEAL MORE THAN ANY GOVERNMENT MINISTER:

What was the aim of lock down? What did every single health "expert" say was the reason to justify a lockdown? And why do we have a Flu season at all? And why have we continued to have a steady incidence rate despite being in lockdown? And why are thousands of elderly people dying in nursing homes?

The reason we had lockdown was to "flatten the curve" or buy time to increase ITU/crit care beds. Well with 4 nightingale hospitals mothballed and 50% of hospital beds lying empty, I think we have achieved that.

Not one "expert" worth his salt will tell you that we can stop a respiratory virus, and if they did they would be lying or I am deluded and we have no common cold or Flu cases every winter. So with a fifth of the country likely to have already had the virus and a health service with a massive amount of level 2 and level 3 beds, we are more than ready for a second spike, as it stands. Remember we cannot lock down forever and we need to come out, which brings me on to the Flu season.

Why do we have a flu season? The main reason we have a Flu season is because as it gets cooler people coop up and spend more time in close proximity, the population becomes denser and therefor it's easier for a virus to travel, also people tend to eat less fruit and veg and see less sunlight and our natural defences are slightly depleted, sound familiar?

The longer we stay locked down, the closer we will be to the next Flu season, so essentially you will be hitting a second spike as people begin to mix, late summer early Autumn which will be just as the next Flu seasons hits, so a second spike will lead nicely into a third and if you want to overwhelm the NHS then this is the exact way to do it.

Lastly why are so many elderly people dying of COVID, well it's largely down to the paranoia that people are displaying on platforms like facebook. GP's are not assessing elderly patients face to face, they are not being taken to hospital or they are terrified to go to hospital incase they get COVID, so they stay at home until it's too late.

Strokes are down up to 70%, where have these patient gone? MI's down 50%, Hospital attendances down 90%, where are all the falls?? But why do they all have COVID signs?

Well anyone who has worked with elderly patients, and I suspect lots of you have, will know there are multiple reasons an elderly person can develop a pneumonia (COVID symptoms). They might fall and be in pain therefore not fully expand their lungs and develop atelectasis and then pneumonia.

They may have reduced mobility, due to quarantine, and become constipated and this may push up on the diaphragm and cause atelectasis or cause them to vomit and aspirate leading to pneumonia.They may develop urinary retention and UTI, secondary to constipation, and become bed bound, causing more time in a prone position and develop a basal collapse of the lungs and again atelectasis and pneumonia. The fact that they have reduced mobility may even mean they spend more time in bed or just sitting, which again is enough to cause chest infection/pneumonia.

Strokes may not present (they aren't) and develop swallow issues and aspirate leading to pneumonia, MIs may present late and develop pulmonary oedema with a secondary infection again leading to pneumonia, and many may have a cold or a Flu (which is down 95%) and go on to develop a pneumonia.

All of the above reasons would cause a patient to have COVID symptoms and will kill elderly patients if not treated, and all of them are enough to be classed as a COVID death currently. And this is why so many nursing homes are being decimated, it's as much through fear as it is through COVID.

Before you campaign and sign petitions to lock yourselves and your family away, remember also that lock down has consequences.

The first 2 reasons are clear above, the elderly will become frail, not be treated and die in their thousands, and thousands of people will not attend A&E at all, or until it's too late and again will die. This is before you factor in the 60 thousand cancer patients that will lose their lives because of missed screening or delayed operations. And then there is the burden on mental health services and the deaths caused by domestic abuse or suicide. And that's before the biggest killer by far which will be austerity.

We are heading for the biggest recession in 300 years, the last one has cost an estimated 500000 lives, why will this one be any different? And even with the lock down measures prolonged, will we have saved any lives any way, as our frail residents face a second and third spike in quick succession.

I understand that you my be scared and its overwhelming being constantly bombarded with negativity and fear, but before you completely isolate yourselves and fall out with loved ones and friends, ask yourself is lockdown still working, and what are the potential benefits of staying locked down versus, carrying on with some semblance of a normal life?"
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   Old Thread  #2644 13 May 2020 at 8.23am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I too , have reigned it in substantially , got to admit that seeing all those people rammed together onto public transport yesterday , unprotected thinking about how bad a second wave of this shi* could be ! following the science , that we are not allowed to see and the critical journalists are avoided like the plague . sorry but my pis* has boiled !
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   Old Thread  #2643 13 May 2020 at 0.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I know you do, nothing wrong with that.

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   Old Thread  #2642 13 May 2020 at 0.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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lentil counting...

Tinhead - fair point. I'll try and rein it in a bit (with maybe the occasional outburst - got to let that negative energy out somewhere man..)
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   Old Thread  #2641 13 May 2020 at 0.36am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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but it annoys me that people over politicise the blame
It's the reason I've not been so active on this thread lately. The other thread is better where people can vent their anger but without the dog with a bone mentality.
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   Old Thread  #2640 13 May 2020 at 0.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe this will be the kick in the nuts government needs to better look after care staff, possibly tighter controls on the private homes too because those ****s are coining it in... but I wouldnít go counting your lentils just yet
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   Old Thread  #2639 13 May 2020 at 0.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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the biggest problem is that the 'care' sector is seen as the poor cousin to the 'health' sector and it's an appalling state of affairs. Alzheimers, Dementia, Parkinsons.. all medical illnesses that can result in the patient being moved to a care home...
And for a paid for order of medical grade PPE to be redirected from a care home beggars belief given the patient demographic and the risk to staff. it's years of successive governments that have allowed it to happen and it needs addressing - by this government ideally. a nurse in a care setting has just as much right to be protected as one on a ward - as do the rest of the staff.

Thanks for asking about my sis - she's had a few successive days of feeling better now so looking good for a possible return to work no sooner than the 18th

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   Old Thread  #2638 12 May 2020 at 11.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís not a hobby I enjoy mate
Iíve read a bit into how care homes were rogered by the nhs and itís horrific, I wrote my post with the thought in the back of my mind of the situation your sister has found herself in. The thing is it does confirm the point Iím trying to make, while trying to do what is expected of them and for all of their selfless commitment to helping others; key workers across the spectrum have unintentionally had a hand in spreading the virus.
The nhs is something we should all be proud of and the envy of many a country, but if weíre honest they can be a liability at times. The government have made a hash of many an aspect of this whole saga, but it annoys me that people over politicise the blame and pretend that having different front men for the band wouldíve made a noticeable difference.

Hope things are improving for your sister health wise and, as irrelevant as it seems right now, it doesnít become a financial burden down the line

@spanker- I have reservations about this country full stop and itís more the attitude of the general population towards each other than the prat in charge that I dislike
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   Old Thread  #2637 12 May 2020 at 11.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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"Herd immunity " that alone should "ALERT" anyone , i remember listening to him say that after watching event's unfolding in Wuhan and Italy , thinking "oh shi*",
Remember Boris's phrase "take it on the chin " as to how we should deal with c19 , that's what i meant
He aint no Churchill and no i don't like him , i see through the bravado , the mask drop's every so often , as a worrying amount of people who know him say , he should not of been allowed anywhere near power , we are now suffering the consequences !
Surely after watching this shi*show you must have some reservations regarding the deals surrounding Brexit and getting the country out of the depression we are now entering !

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   Old Thread  #2636 12 May 2020 at 11.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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hey noj

not jumping into your spat - that's for you guys to enjoy

I would say that the care sector wasn't as protected as it could have been. PPE diverted to NHS, patients known to have Covid sent back into care homes (the highest risk area) without the care setting being told about the infection. Added to that the number of staff who are on zero hours contracts and under huge pressure to work...
Obviously I'm very close to this one - but that means I've looked into it more too.

Hope you and yours are well mate
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   Old Thread  #2635 12 May 2020 at 11.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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By Ďgot intoí the hospitals and care homes I mean the staff becoming infected and giving it to patients/residents/colleagues.
I donít see what I need to take on the chin and Iím not a spokesman for Boris or the tories, but my point stands that he was fighting for his life recently so could hardly have hot footed it to Guangdong to buy full ppe stocks which probably donít even exist.
The facts have always been there, even you found some of them! The spread of the virus beyond lockdown is down to the people who didnít adhere to the rules and key workers.... how else could it have spread, 5g masts?
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   Old Thread  #2634 12 May 2020 at 10.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
we can't rely on the common sense of the british public...

the general election showed us that

... and we're off!
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