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   Old Thread  #878 2 Apr 2020 at 3.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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BB, it's interesting to hear about your daughter, I'm glad she's happy in her job and hope she stays safe during the coming weeks.

Why on earth do you immediately assume that I support Jeremy Corbyn? It's not a choice of one or the other. I blame the labour party for brexit and the state of the country as much as the Tories. There has been almost no real opposition while JC has been in charge. Boris and Corbyn have both served the country very badly in my opinion.

You're against foreign nurses because of the damage they do leaving their home countries? Very generous, no doubt you'll be wanting to increase the foreign aid budget next!

I'm not sure it's lack of opportunity putting Brits off nursing, maybe it's the massive university debt and crap salaries?
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   Old Thread  #877 2 Apr 2020 at 3.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The labour party doesn't have a monopoly on bell ends you know.
John Selwyn Gummer, agriculture minister, trying to stuff a beef burger into the mouth of his 4 year old daughter at the height of the BSE crises. Whilst telling everyone it's fine.
Edwina Currie, health minister, appointing Jimmy Saville as head of a taskforce at Broadmoor psychiatric hospital with free reign and access.
Etc.
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   Old Thread  #876 2 Apr 2020 at 3.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Makes me laugh people bringing politics into this **** storm saying labour would have done this and that......donít make me laugh there fruit loops who couldnít organise a piss up in a brewery!!!

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   Old Thread  #875 2 Apr 2020 at 3.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totally disagree that we shouldn't question or criticise the actions of our elected leader's. You don't need hindsight either.
This nightmare of complicated issues has been tackled quickly and efficiently in other countries. You measure yourself and learn quickly from the best not one of the worst, the USA as in your previous post
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   Old Thread  #874 2 Apr 2020 at 3.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Chuffy - Mr IKE is not far off at all......what will be will be and the majority will simply accept and move along........baaaaaaaaaaaa
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   Old Thread  #873 2 Apr 2020 at 3.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And i am shocked that you are shocked that i'm shocked !

And I'm...nah! It could go on forever
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   Old Thread  #872 2 Apr 2020 at 3.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Jon,

Yes, my daughter is a staff nurse at the Norfolk and Norwich Uni hospital and works in the fracture clinic.
Fortunately, Norfolk has,so far, been lightly affected by the virus and as of yesterday, the NNUH had 45 virus patients with a handful in CCU and have had ,10 deaths.
In conversations with her, she sees the doctors and staff in her dept as a contented group of dedicated professionals with high morale who live the job and have no major gripes re the NHS system.
However, as noj alluded to earlier, she has questioned the high costs the NHS seem to pay for sevices and equipment.
I'm not much clued up at all about the issues you raise re the running of the NHS over the last ten years of Tory government, but I do have a criticism of the policy of employing trained foreign nurses because it is cheaper than training our own, for the reasons that, those foreign nurses are needed in the countries they come from, and it seems, there are 1000s of young women who would train if given the opportunity.
Your post, obviously has an element of political bias to it, which is your privilege, but not something I want to engage in, other than to say, the thought of Corbyn and Abbott running anything would worry me. The last election was a vote of no confidence in them and until your party produces some credible politicians, you are fighting a losing battle.
Re the PPE and testing issue, I've already posted on that, but would add that, given these unprecedented circumstances, it's too easy to take a high stance and in hindsight, criticise what is a nightmare of complicated issues.

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   Old Thread  #871 2 Apr 2020 at 2.50pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I see Eddie Large has died with it now, was being treated in hospital for heart failure and caught the bloody virus in the hospital which finished him off!!

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   Old Thread  #870 2 Apr 2020 at 2.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And i am shocked that you are shocked that i'm shocked !
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   Old Thread  #869 2 Apr 2020 at 1.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think you said somewhere earlier in this thread that your daughter is a nurse..
Do you not feel that she has been let down by ten years of Tory government and austerity, in terms of wages, hospital funding/cuts, cost of training, and now lack of PPE, testing and other issues which were highlighted a couple of years ago when the system was stress tested for just such a pandemic?


More than likely, so they can keep there app and stick it up there arris.......

Nice one Wayne, we can get through this if everyone does their bit, eh?

It's 'their'
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   Old Thread  #868 2 Apr 2020 at 1.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Croc,

It seems most of the testing done to date has been on patients showing symptoms, and if infected, the appropriate treatment being implemented, whether self isolation in mild cases or hospitalisation.
It also supplies the data for the numbers of infections, the daily rate etc. so stats experts can produce and adjust their forecast predictions.
There is a second test called the antibody test, which, apparently the government have just bought 3.5 million, and is undergoing trials and fine tuning, which test whether a person has had the virus and has built any immunity to it. This gives further data to the numbers and spread of the virus and an indication as to whether there is a build up of a herd immunity, which would influence any relaxing of the lockdown.
Re the criticism of the numbers being tested, it seems there are shortages of particular chemicals and kit, given the unprecedented current global demand and that countries like South Korea and Germany began stockpiling sooner. It seems the same applies to PPE and today, the US is said have almost run out of it.

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   Old Thread  #867 2 Apr 2020 at 1.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It doesn't necessarily follow you get the virus at some point if your PPE is good enough. It is disastrous to allow health professionals to treat infected patients without testing that group regularly and routinely. Going down this herd immunity route for so long looks like a major mistake
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   Old Thread  #866 2 Apr 2020 at 1.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Let's hope it's not too long before we 'ramp down'
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   Old Thread  #865 2 Apr 2020 at 1.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I know that politicians and the media love a buzz word / phrase but whoever started the whole 'ramp up' thing needs a kick in the pants.

since when did the british public fail to understand the word 'increase' and need a handy replacement slogan...?

sorry - i know it's a small gripe in the grand scheme of things but had to get it out of my system

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   Old Thread  #864 2 Apr 2020 at 1.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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wait til people start having the mark (vaccine) on their left arm so they can work!?
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