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   Old Thread  #1005 6 Apr 2020 at 5.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Ocelot,

No, I didn't say that at all.
I said that figures like daily death rates taken at face value don't tell the whole story, and need to be interpreted in light of the preventative measures being taken and the many other factors that would have an effect.
Re testing, I'm not party to all the factors and sequence of events relating to this issue, any more than you are, but in the case of Germany, I do know that they identified the need for test kits sooner than most and were in the fortunate position of having 100 Roche labs in their country and instructed them to quickly churn out test kits by the millions. To suggest that our people are sitting on their hands and not pulling out all the stops to up our testing programme is untrue. They are well aware of the need and doing all they can to improve it. I'm sure you know there is a worldwide shortage of some essential chemicals.
Apportioning blame and incompetence as you do, without knowing the full facts, is, in most cases wrong and unfair on those you tar with the same brush.
It seems that you and one or two others are biased in your opinions and refuse to give credit where it's due and just focus on throwing mud to see if it will stick.

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   Old Thread  #1004 6 Apr 2020 at 5.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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EXACTLY
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   Old Thread  #1003 6 Apr 2020 at 5.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Butterbean ,

that's a pathetic comparison , as you know , we all know of the economic pressure america is putting on Venezuela and the ideology of their foreign policy to cripple it ,
America like their corrupt puppet regimes as their companies get too exploit their assets ! surely you know how it works , Iraq , syria , Iran etc ,we don't care what these leaders do as long as they play ball , as soon as they nationalize their countries assets they become the enemy , you don't get to be the worlds largest empire by playing nicely !

If you want a more accurate comparison look to the Nordic countries which all rate way higher than us or America , in things that are a good barometer , ie , happiness , low levels of corruption , living standards and an NHS , question the voices that condemn their system !

Communism = has never existed , closest we ever came was Cuba , its a lie by a corrupt establishment scared of loosing power and their wealth , look what Finland did to beat it and question why you know so little about how well these Nordic countries are doing ,
This guy will explain far better than i can only 4 1/2 mins long ,

https://youtu.be/K4Tq4VE8eHQ



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   Old Thread  #1002 6 Apr 2020 at 4.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Why Venezuela and not Norway as a comparison?
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   Old Thread  #1001 6 Apr 2020 at 4.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Casting aside politics, sort of, and something that may come across wrong. As the only thing Iíve read regarding it is a recent article in the mail
But apparently black and other ethnic minorities make up 13% of the population, yet 1/3 of cases.
Could it possibly be that those with less mixed ethnicity in their dna have a less efficient immune system?
It certainly doesnít do dogs any favours to be exclusively bred from a single bloodline..
Sorry if that comes across as though Iím sat here reading mein kampf!
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   Old Thread  #1000 6 Apr 2020 at 4.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Spanker,

Not sure what relevance your post has to coronavirus.

Perhaps you should post a thread on the benefits of socialism.

Give us updates on the successes of your flagship socialist country Venezuela.

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   Old Thread  #999 6 Apr 2020 at 4.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok you don't think coffins is a good measure of how we are doing for some reason. Too me it's pretty telling.
How about testing then?
We're roughly at the same test ratio per 1m population as Greece and Chile. Way behind power house's like Belgium and Portugal. Knocked out of the park by Germany and Austria. I've said before, compare us against the best before backslapping.
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   Old Thread  #998 6 Apr 2020 at 3.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nearly fell off my chair laughing , our financial system has now overtaken Singapore as being the most corrupt in the world , based on money laundering and tax avoidance , the guardian did an excellent article on illegal shell companies and money laundering , the number of them is in the 100's of thousands if not millions , the only person to be prosecuted was the whistle blower , i can understand how you don't know not many do ! if you get the time , watch and read the following .

"the spiders web ,Britains second empire ", an excellent documentary ,

https://youtu.be/np_ylvc8Zj8

the guardian article

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/05/how-britain-can-help-you-get-away-with-stealing-millions-a-five-step-guide

Our capitalist system needs reigning back it has become too corrupt !
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   Old Thread  #997 6 Apr 2020 at 3.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where is he when we need him
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   Old Thread  #996 6 Apr 2020 at 2.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Chuffy,

I wouldn't think the supposed fear mongering was baseless.
It seemed that unprotected sex was taking its toll.
Not sure governments deserve criticism for warning the public about potential, life threatening viruses.
I don't see much difference to the warnings of the dangers of drink driving or even lifebelts hung on signs around pits saying, Danger, deep water.

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   Old Thread  #995 6 Apr 2020 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can some remove Tim Richardson from isolation please
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   Old Thread  #994 6 Apr 2020 at 1.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
We should think ourselves lucky, we are all supposed to have died of AIDS by now

I particularly like the paragragh
Both Conservative and New Labour governments exploited the disease to create a new moral framework for society. Through baseless fearmongering, officials sought to police and regulate the behaviour of the public. No longer able to appeal to outdated Victorian ideals of chastity or restraint, the powers-that-be used the spectre of an Aids calamity to terrify us into behaving "responsibly" in sexual and social matters.

But, surely they wouldn't, would they??
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   Old Thread  #993 6 Apr 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Ocelot,

The evidence of how we are doing is counted daily in confins. There's your facts

Not necessarily. It depends on how the death rate is interpreted. Given the evidence from other countries that were affected before we were, it was beyond dispute that, many lives would be lost, no matter what preventative measures were taken.
So the daily death rate could well be interpreted as evidence that the measures taken to try and minimise the death toll were working and was as low as could be expected, or weren't working and much higher than expected or somewhere in between.

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   Old Thread  #992 6 Apr 2020 at 1.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Being self critical is a necessity for the people who make the big decisions on the way we tackle this deadly virus. It's something not many politicians are good at, so need to be held to account daily. Facts? Circumstancial evidence? The evidence of how we are doing is counted daily in coffins. There's your facts.
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   Old Thread  #991 6 Apr 2020 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi guys,

I would think we have, not only a right, but a duty to monitor, question and comment on the performance of the politicians we elect, but not make knee jerk, sweeping judgements presented as absolute fact, when based on, face value, circumstantial evidence, and coloured with a dash of political bias.
When you think about it, our society is one of the most regulated and monitored in the world, with all sorts of checks and balances and official watchdog organisations that oversee all our major industries and institutions. What other country would be likely to prosecute and jail an MP for fiddling their expenses?
We are lucky really, that our democracy is not institutionally corrupt like many other countries seem to be.
It's a feather in our cap that our English common law is the model that most civilised countries have based their own judiciary on. I suggest our politicians have a lot to live up to.
As Mal said, it's wise to try and see the bigger picture, because the more a subject is scrutinized, the more complex it usually presents itself to be.

Anyway, I suggest that the next member to make wild accusations on this thread be handcuffed to Tim Richardson for a day.

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