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   Old Thread  #996 6 Apr 2020 at 2.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Chuffy,

I wouldn't think the supposed fear mongering was baseless.
It seemed that unprotected sex was taking its toll.
Not sure governments deserve criticism for warning the public about potential, life threatening viruses.
I don't see much difference to the warnings of the dangers of drink driving or even lifebelts hung on signs around pits saying, Danger, deep water.

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   Old Thread  #995 6 Apr 2020 at 2.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Can some remove Tim Richardson from isolation please
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   Old Thread  #994 6 Apr 2020 at 1.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
We should think ourselves lucky, we are all supposed to have died of AIDS by now

I particularly like the paragragh
Both Conservative and New Labour governments exploited the disease to create a new moral framework for society. Through baseless fearmongering, officials sought to police and regulate the behaviour of the public. No longer able to appeal to outdated Victorian ideals of chastity or restraint, the powers-that-be used the spectre of an Aids calamity to terrify us into behaving "responsibly" in sexual and social matters.

But, surely they wouldn't, would they??
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   Old Thread  #993 6 Apr 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Ocelot,

The evidence of how we are doing is counted daily in confins. There's your facts

Not necessarily. It depends on how the death rate is interpreted. Given the evidence from other countries that were affected before we were, it was beyond dispute that, many lives would be lost, no matter what preventative measures were taken.
So the daily death rate could well be interpreted as evidence that the measures taken to try and minimise the death toll were working and was as low as could be expected, or weren't working and much higher than expected or somewhere in between.

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   Old Thread  #992 6 Apr 2020 at 1.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Being self critical is a necessity for the people who make the big decisions on the way we tackle this deadly virus. It's something not many politicians are good at, so need to be held to account daily. Facts? Circumstancial evidence? The evidence of how we are doing is counted daily in coffins. There's your facts.
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   Old Thread  #991 6 Apr 2020 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi guys,

I would think we have, not only a right, but a duty to monitor, question and comment on the performance of the politicians we elect, but not make knee jerk, sweeping judgements presented as absolute fact, when based on, face value, circumstantial evidence, and coloured with a dash of political bias.
When you think about it, our society is one of the most regulated and monitored in the world, with all sorts of checks and balances and official watchdog organisations that oversee all our major industries and institutions. What other country would be likely to prosecute and jail an MP for fiddling their expenses?
We are lucky really, that our democracy is not institutionally corrupt like many other countries seem to be.
It's a feather in our cap that our English common law is the model that most civilised countries have based their own judiciary on. I suggest our politicians have a lot to live up to.
As Mal said, it's wise to try and see the bigger picture, because the more a subject is scrutinized, the more complex it usually presents itself to be.

Anyway, I suggest that the next member to make wild accusations on this thread be handcuffed to Tim Richardson for a day.

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   Old Thread  #990 6 Apr 2020 at 10.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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No idea but 4G has been fine for years and is still very much the communication network.......
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   Old Thread  #989 6 Apr 2020 at 10.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The 5G thing all started back in 2000 when a physicist got his numbers wrong LINK
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   Old Thread  #988 6 Apr 2020 at 9.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't the NHS / ambulance services use 5G (and by default the masts) a way of communicating in emergencies?

Knocking them down or setting them on fire doesn't make much sense if that's the case...
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   Old Thread  #987 6 Apr 2020 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The Queen's address was well worded, especially THIS bit, she might as well have said 'no, not you ****s all sunbathing in the parks, you will have nothing to be proud of'
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   Old Thread  #985 6 Apr 2020 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree with Mal.
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   Old Thread  #984 6 Apr 2020 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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We should suck it up? Take it on the chin like good little serfs and not question our superiors

Absolutely not, everything should be questioned that comes from ANY government and ALL media outlets, as we can see at the minute though EVERYTHING is a conspiracy if it’s not in line with the **** coming out the TV......

Edit - Which bit is nonsense Jon.......
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   Old Thread  #983 6 Apr 2020 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Edit: not in reply to Wayne's nonsense

Politics is the decisions made by others that directly influence our lives.

Do you really think we shouldn’t question the poor, fallible souls whose decisions are quite literally a matter of life and death at the moment?

We should suck it up? Take it on the chin like good little serfs and not question our superiors?

These people put themselves up for these positions of responsibility, they are well paid, and they can draw upon a wealth of expertise in all fields. If they make mistakes, they should be questioned. Do you really think a bit of a shrug, roll of the eyes, and get on with it is an adequate response?

The Scottish CMO has resigned, quite rightly, because she made an unacceptable mistake, perhaps she should have claimed that criticizing past actions is pointless .. forget about it … let’s look to the future …
Making a significant mistake, getting called out over it, and resigning used to happen in Westminster too, but not any more, letting incompetent individuals continue to make mistakes, while people shrug and claim there’s no point crying over spilled milk.
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   Old Thread  #982 6 Apr 2020 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Oh and keep posting those highly plausible and equally provable conspiracy theories everybody.

If it stops just one person from taking it all seriously, and inspires them go out and do stupid 5hit, if it leads to just 1 more infection, or even one more death - it will all have been worth it!

Freedom of speech is far more important than any bigger picture we find ourselves in. Keep exercising those rights guys
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