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   Old Thread  #1602 19 Apr 2020 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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read up on operation Cygnus , our government knew in January its potential for spreading , as we dithered all our neighbors hoovered up the ppe , but the biggest problem was a decade of under funding we knew this was coming , just a matter of when , "overdue " ! was the term used ! negligent is the word i would now use !
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   Old Thread  #1601 19 Apr 2020 at 6.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You'll get no sense from those hardened labour voters , if it was going well they would still find fault and put a political spin on it , heck you can't even say " my country" without someone getting all excited .
No need for it in these worrying times .
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   Old Thread  #1600 19 Apr 2020 at 6.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It’s was well and truly all screwed up way before any government took any action, as none was told the truth of just how serious the situation was until it was way to late to stop it.

Same with PPE – it’s impossible to purchase something that does not even exist, no point in blaming anyone for decisions made 20-25 years ago.
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   Old Thread  #1599 19 Apr 2020 at 6.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Simples , if they fuc* up their response to the pandemic then it will directly impact every person of that country !
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   Old Thread  #1598 19 Apr 2020 at 6.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No disrespect guys – but what the hell has politics got to do with a worldwide pandemic?

Other than China’s Communist hierarchy, following Stalin’s training manual on ones conduct if faced with a major incident “Denial!”

Remember the last major incident prior to this one – Chernobyl, what was the Russian policy for five days “Denial!”


The last estimate I saw was that 500,000 people few in and out of China, or crossed its borders back and forth in the two months prior to them even admitting there was a major pandemic, there’s absolutely diddly squat any government in history, or in any country for that matter – can do to combat a spread of possible infection on that massive a scale!
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   Old Thread  #1597 19 Apr 2020 at 5.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe you should read what has been all over the papers and media today ! then maybe update your answer !
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   Old Thread  #1596 19 Apr 2020 at 5.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hiya BB

I don't like it. I've said it's a personal thing and if people need to appropriate similar terms for a response then that's up to them. It's been used by too many racists for my liking.

Black lives matter is a different thing and in direct response to a long time underlying problem in American society and specific events that relate to it...

I've made a suggestion on another thread that if people have found a desire to make a stand against animal cruelty or human rights issues then they could take positive action by finding a suitable organisation and make donations. Perhaps the increase in awareness can be a positive by product of this crisis eh?

And defending trump by saying Obama was bad...? We've been here before. If Obama got it wrong too then it doesn't excuse trump still getting it wrong.


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   Old Thread  #1595 19 Apr 2020 at 5.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Same in America, Italy and Spain spanker! That’s tells you something! No ONE was prepared apart from China.....
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   Old Thread  #1594 19 Apr 2020 at 5.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Mal,

Yes, I hear what you say, but you failed to point out that terms like that, are equally used by the far left, with ref to their identity politics with examples like, " Black lives matter ." " Our people are oppressed. "
I'm not sure that saying, " our people " in ref to the population of a country, should, automatically be given a negative connotation, as in say, " our people enjoy a more prosperous lifestyle than did their grandparents."
It really depends on the implication of the message in which it is used.
I don't see it as a PC issue, to beware of using commonplace phrases, because extremists will use them.
I think we can use common sense to see any negative connotation.

I read that " Voiceless " article and although I know little about world wide animal welfare, it struck me as questionable that the US would rank 49th out of 50 countries. One of their 3 criteria for animal cruelty was consumer consumption. Without animal consumption I would think half the world would starve. And what about fish? They're animals too, or at least living, breathing creatures. Don't they count?
My skepticism arose when she said that, for years, the US had been near the bottom of her index, yet she twice criticized Trump for it. Her article was written in July 2018, only 19 months after Trump was elected.
So Obama, president for 8 years, gets a free pass. Really?

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   Old Thread  #1593 19 Apr 2020 at 4.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Wayne and BB

you are trying to defend the indefensible , the whole world including the majority of our right wing press and media have started to hold them to account and the facts are there for all to see , the facts are very damning , to sum it up ,
Boris didn't have his eye on the ball he ignored good advice and went with the herd immunity then did a u turn ,by this time he was exposed in regards of lack of ppe , ventilators testing equipment etc , so they tried to manipulate the figures and deflect blame , We were warned that Boris is a lazy fu**er ,

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   Old Thread  #1592 19 Apr 2020 at 4.41pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It’s the responsibility of the management at any care home to provided the tools for the job, not you or me!

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   Old Thread  #1591 19 Apr 2020 at 4.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm deadly serious. It's a pandemic ffs, it has a massive mortality rate with the elderly and infirm. You may be happy for the Capt Tom's of this country to be ripped off for a £1000+ per week and as they're being carried out in coffins killed by COVID-19 blame the care home management. I'm not. It's OUR responsibility to make sure care home's and worker's are fully supplied with PPE and trained in it's use, so that these people can't get infected.
The reckoning can come later.
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   Old Thread  #1590 19 Apr 2020 at 4.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I checked out your link Mal and normally I'd say you can make stats say anything but in this case there are no stats.
Maybe I've missed it (I'm no going to spend all afternoon investigating) but I would have to like to have seen who the 50 countries are and what 'stats' are used to rank them.
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   Old Thread  #1589 19 Apr 2020 at 3.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hiya BB

It's as I said - phrases like that are too easily used in different contexts to push a divisive right wing agenda. But you know that and you know that when right wing organisations use the term 'our people' it's not the same as me saying 'my cat' etc.

It was late and I was probably being overcautious...

It's not really the important bit of what I posted anyway.

Interesting point about a nations treatment of animals related to ethics. I think the current knee jerk reaction to China is riding that wave - although far fewer people seemed bothered about it until recently. I've said before that we could look more closely at ourselves and other countries when it comes to animal welfare. The Voiceless Animals Cruelty Index is worth a look - although not great reading for the US who come next to bottom.

https://www.voiceless.org.au/content/us-ranked-second-worst-nation-world-new-animal-cruelty-index

As I've also said before - we could do a lot better too. The RSPCA has plenty of horrific examples.

Animal cruelty is horrible - it was before the Coronavirus crisis and unfortunately it will be afterwards too...





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Sorry, double post


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