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   Old Thread  #1762 22 Apr 2020 at 9.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As an island we could have unilaterally taken much of the complexity out of it, New Zealand did. Once we'd missed that boat it was very difficult to do a good job.
Too slow with care homes though and that was and still is in our hands.
So we missed the email from the EU to sign up for a collective bulk purchase of ppe and health care machines. A very senior experienced civil servant says it was a political decision not to sign up. Clearly saying we decided to use our new found freedom to go forth and trade with the rest of the world. Gets the cane and says he's totally wrong 😂. Next thing we're buying gear from China, Myanmar and government officials are wandering around the back street carpet weavers
bazaars of Istanbul for a bargain.
If it's those 3 despotic nation's we'll be trading with instead of Holland, Germany and France etc something's gone terribly wrong.

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   Old Thread  #1761 22 Apr 2020 at 9.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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36,000 people responded to picking crops, only 6,000 have had interviews but it is easier to outsource recruitment to gangmasters to import labour. Pay them minimum wage but knock them for rent, food and other things. No need to pay sick pay, NI or pensions for sub contractors and their subcontractors.

As for volunteering I am outside the age range with an underlying problem. But if i was taken in and threatened with a ventilator i would sign up for the tests with established drugs. It worked for a distant relative see good news thread.

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   Old Thread  #1760 22 Apr 2020 at 8.45pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Moving away from the merits of Abbott and Matt handjob...

They are asking for paid volunteers in certain areas to be trialists for the vaccine testing. (Given the way people didn't jump at the chance to pick fruit who knows how folk will respond...)

Would any of you consider it?
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   Old Thread  #1759 22 Apr 2020 at 8.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It did seem a bit downbeat but as stated by others if they lauded we are on the plateau people would start relaxing and ignoring everything they have sacrificed so far.

Once the NHS procurement team sorts out the PPE problem, its them that should be berated as they are the ones missing opportunities to get PPE not the Government.

Testing hopefully reaches the 100,000 target.

The deaths start to slow, although very slowly.

The Media will be banging on again about exit plans like they did to get us locked down ( although not a true lockdown as in other countries). The media wanted us locked up now they will appear to be the heroes, the ones wanting to set us free!
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   Old Thread  #1758 22 Apr 2020 at 8.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Oh dear, thats poor mate. Iím avoiding my parents for those exact reasons, 2m line and dropping stuff off, itís not a good situation at all, extra cautious and care, god knows what would happen if one got it like you say, letís hope they all get through this
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   Old Thread  #1757 22 Apr 2020 at 8.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thereís politicians I have time for across 3 or 4 parties, I believe there should be a coalition government with each big job voted for by the public on merit. But Iíd rather have most other human beings on the planet than Diane abacus be part of such a government, sheís as thick as pig **** and Iím amazed labour supporters donít want her gone asap.
I fail to see how any government couldíve done a Ďgoodí job given the complexity of the situation
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   Old Thread  #1756 22 Apr 2020 at 8.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They are not going to do anything different are they really.If they say its looking great,figures are dropping and we will be out of this in the next month/6weeks.Suddenly everybody would be out,going visit family and friends and then cases would rise again.The vaccine trials start tomorrow,so let's hope this is a bit of light at the end of the tunnel
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   Old Thread  #1755 22 Apr 2020 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi BB

I stated "you lot " not directed specifically at you , but i am sure you knew that , brilliant !

Don't take it personally , you are one of many ,

You are right about Abbot , but i would take her over Priti Patel any day of the week , a known and sacked because of it "traitor" ! no one with any common sense would deny this !



Get over yourself !
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   Old Thread  #1754 22 Apr 2020 at 7.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This evenings coronavirus press conference was quite a shocker.
It was so negative, failed to paint any picture of hope in the short term. Made you expect this crap to last for another year or longer....

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   Old Thread  #1753 22 Apr 2020 at 7.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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1 death is 1 to many 🙀 but at the moment we appear to be on a plateau and will start to drop slowly hopefully soon. The other countries in Europe are on their downward curves I believe. So yes we may be second at the mo but other countries as it takes hold will start coming up. Hopefully a vaccine and cures will emerge and cause this to not occur but I fear the worst.

So those boxes of masks are not what the NHS use so another non story by media, not researched properly but good enough as a headline scare!

Yes the government has made mistakes but when Labour run Wales stops targets for tests not a whimper from the usual suspects, Guardian, Independant etc....
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   Old Thread  #1752 22 Apr 2020 at 7.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Spanker,

You don't get it do you?
You refer to my post as me having tantrums and think that's brilliant.
No one with any common sense would think of my post in those terms. It's hyperbole. Deliberate over exaggeration in the misguided belief that it will strengthen your argument. It doesn't. It has the exact opposite effect. People will dismiss it as overstatement.
And doing your best to denigrate the government won't make anyone view your labour party with any more favour. Particularly if they had won the election and Corbyn was in charge and Abbott was Home Secretary.

By the way, where's your mate Jon Boy?
I like to read his posts....he makes me laugh.

BB.
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   Old Thread  #1751 22 Apr 2020 at 7.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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not good at all, he has both parents living with him who are both in their 80s,why didn't the dr take notice of this..
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   Old Thread  #1750 22 Apr 2020 at 7.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hi Fishie ,

yep that's the daily rate
According to the nurses that i gave my masks too , ffp 3 are for the airborne threat ffp 2 will offer a certain level of protection ,well worth wearing for your shopping trips ,tube , train , etc !!
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   Old Thread  #1749 22 Apr 2020 at 6.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What highest death total or daily?

Just watched ITV news and saw loads of boxes of masks piled up outside a warehouse destined for Italy but I may be wrong here but donít we use FP3 the boxes were labelled as FP2 so possibly not allowed/advised for NHS.

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   Old Thread  #1748 22 Apr 2020 at 6.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Bloody hell mate, not good. Iím sure they will be aware of the symptoms. The call an ambulance is a bit frightening. Hope he pulls round soon
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