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   Old Thread  #3643 8 Aug 2020 at 12.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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they should have just offered to do a free clinical trial on their whole population for us!
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   Old Thread  #3642 8 Aug 2020 at 12.12pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Probably stolen

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   Old Thread  #3641 8 Aug 2020 at 11.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So it looks like Russia are keen to win the race for a vaccine and start a mass programme by October...skipping clinical trials!
https://apnews.com/ea0e1221dba375d0f07ab9bc0f8bfe05
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   Old Thread  #3640 7 Aug 2020 at 10.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agreed
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   Old Thread  #3639 7 Aug 2020 at 5.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's about the best we got but even some of those deaths could be nothing to do with actual Covid and due to say heart attacks as an example that weren't dealt with because of the circumstances?
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   Old Thread  #3638 7 Aug 2020 at 5.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Trust this government , your having a laugh ffs wake up
bent as fork.

there is a good reason i rant on about this bent as fu** ,shower of shi* in power , its because they are as bent as fuc* and a shower of shi* !



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   Old Thread  #3637 7 Aug 2020 at 5.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I thought everyone came to the conclusion that the only statistics regarding deaths that could be trusted was the amount above average deaths for the time span affected by Corona virus
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   Old Thread  #3636 7 Aug 2020 at 3.07pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I mentioned that was going on months ago and actually know people whose relatives died from terminal illnesses and Covid got put on the death cert, I think I got labelled as one of the 'Foil Hat' brigade
Why no-one can ever recover from COVID-19 in England Ė a statistical anomaly
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   Old Thread  #3635 7 Aug 2020 at 12.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Did you not read the example directly before that statement? Death not related to Covid classes as Covid. The figures arenít real

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   Old Thread  #3634 7 Aug 2020 at 11.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Figures are made up

Why would they make them up?

Or are the British been honest and the Chinese are just being typical Chinese etc...
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   Old Thread  #3633 7 Aug 2020 at 9.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not at all, they are politicians.. Corruption is rife, doesn't matter what party.
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Shocker isn't it
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More Tory corruption , dirty stinky Tory's

stiky tory .


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   Old Thread  #3630 7 Aug 2020 at 7.18am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Over prepared Like Gordon Brown did and got slated for??

I donít think people donít think itís real, just not as bad as itís made out to be. Iíve said it before, after demonising China for having it the entire worldís politicians couldnít just say it isnít as bad as first thought. Politicians can never admit being wrong. Weíve seen it in history, theyíd rather **** a country than admit they were wrong.

I know of people that have died of their terminal illness, tested negative for covid19 and the cause of death on the certificate is covid19, or at least itís a contributing factor. Figures are made up, and itís what we are fed to create a sense of fear of the virus. If they did the same for other viruses we would never leave the house.
It has a 99%+ survival rate, thatís based on low numbers of testing too. And on dodgy death figures. Do with that what you will.
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   Old Thread  #3629 7 Aug 2020 at 6.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I now get the feeling they realise they ****ed up but they donít have the balls to come out and admit it, loss of face is a greater fear to them than ruining the country.

Not so sure about that. Nobody knew the true impact, it is a learning curve for the world. Imagine the headlines if they had not prepared and we had wiped the NHS out and brought the country to a standstill, oh dear, we didn't see that coming, what a bunch of incompetents!

I would say better to be overly prepared than not

I still get the impression a lot of people think its not real. Do they see the people in the hospitals, the survivors and hear their storys

Like i said earlier, when their grandma gets it and snuffs it it may sink in, just
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   Old Thread  #3628 7 Aug 2020 at 3.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Futile should be my middle name....
Going back to my earlier post Iím certain it is a divide and conquer scenario we are facing, a supposed vaccine, a biometric health passport, those without both become second class citizens, turning citizen against citizen. Itís happening in China via AI surveillance facial recognition and point scoring for towing the party line etc. Me? Paranoid? Nah I just think everyone is out to get me!
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   Old Thread  #3627 7 Aug 2020 at 2.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think trying to find some logic in it is futile.

I honestly think they don't have a proper plan because it's all reactionary- maybe out of necessity, but reactionary nonetheless. Increasingly it looks like economic decisions are outweighing health ones though.
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   Old Thread  #3626 7 Aug 2020 at 2.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They may have but surely if this ďwasĒ as bad as itís been made out to be, why are the likes of SARS, MERS and the like still on the list? The risk to companies insurance policies pails in to insignificance with whatís happened to the countryís economy on a whole. Read the definition of a HCID.... just what they are telling us COVID-19 is!!
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid
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   Old Thread  #3625 7 Aug 2020 at 2.09am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps madman ramblings.... but you wouldn't be the first on this thread!

Call me cynical (makes a change from snowflake) but could the downgrading have anything to do with the insurance policies that businesses have and whether or not they were covered for covid?
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   Old Thread  #3624 7 Aug 2020 at 1.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry Iíve not read all of the posts but I agree with point one there is something out there but itís been over egged.. even the UK government downgraded CV19 from an highly infectious communicable disease as it didnít fit the criteria ie not infectious enough, death rate too low etc. When did this happen? On the 20th of March 3 days before lockdown!!! So they know itís not as deadly as itís made out but still go ahead and basically close the country down. Why? Iíve no idea, running scared? I now get the feeling they realise they ****ed up but they donít have the balls to come out and admit it, loss of face is a greater fear to them than ruining the country.
As for China, again Iím not sure.. my feeling is that Russia as a hand in it somewhere, Putinís sidekick Surkov and his use of mass confusion in all levels of politics at home and in the geopolitical world seem to be playing out in their favour. His modus operandi is to back both sides of a conflict etc and cause confusion whilst the Russians are able to benefit in some way or another. They did it in Syria with what he coined non linear warfare, do something so random that the enemy has no idea what your next move will be. In his home country they backed both Right wing nazi parties and the anti nazi parties reigning confusion once again.
With CV letís say Russia starts it in China, Trump blames China, leaving 2 global superpowers at odds with each other allowing Russia to stealthily gain ground on them both. Randomly Iran becomes one of the worst affected countries, for no apparent reason... again going back to the use of mass confusion, Iranians would blame the US for sanctions etc, even though maybe Russia was just sacrificing an ally to hide itís tracks. The real reason behind Russiaís involvement in both US and UK elections and Brexit have yet to be seen fully but Iím sure old Ivan is waiting in the wings to pounce. And finally who studied and worked in Russia for 3 years under the tutorage of Surkov... A certain Dominic Cummings!
Late night ramblings of a madman? Maybe, or maybe not 😉
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   Old Thread  #3623 6 Aug 2020 at 10.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Just to clarify, other studies have shown that after correction there was still an abnormality in the figures but that could be down to small cohorts or certain co-morbidities or the lack of comprehensive testing to get an accurate picture. As usual, read the small print, experts are often cautious rather than being certain!
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It's what I heard on the news some reports saying ethnicity does play a part, others saying it doesn't and is poverty related. As you say further clarity needed.
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   Old Thread  #3621 6 Aug 2020 at 10.20am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12319396/preston-lockdown-coronavirus-cases-rise-nightclub-open/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

of course...

stupid, selfish, incompetent... apply to whichever involved parties you like on this one.


but luckily, it's going to 'go away' like a thing that 'goes away' .....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SouWfaWmJc - relax everyone
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   Old Thread  #3620 6 Aug 2020 at 10.13am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I don't think someone of authority did say that. The figures of infection were disproportionate so require further clarity.
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I thought there had been proven cases that pre-date the Wuhan "source" ?

So we are lead to believe, but will be ever told the real truth and if the truth is not what we want to hear maybe we will never be told the truth.

Rather than learn from history I meant learning from medical science
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   Old Thread  #3618 6 Aug 2020 at 9.59am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Studies on antibody testing in Afghanistan suggest around a third of the population have been infected. The vast majority asymptomatic, the study goes on to say. Make of that what you will regards genes and poverty
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   Old Thread  #3617 6 Aug 2020 at 9.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I suppose it depends on who's doing the talking I suppose, those circumstances you mentioned is what was stated at first, then someone said ethnicity does play apart. There's nothing wrong in people having different genetics and if does play a part then let's help those most affected.
I suppose the answer lies in how these ethnicities fare in their countries of origin where they do a multitude of jobs?
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   Old Thread  #3615 6 Aug 2020 at 9.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's interesting

TBH it did make me wonder if it could be such a thing. Interesting about the public facing or close working roles. There has been a lot of outbreaks in meat processing plants and factory's. I saw on the news yesterday even the cheese making shop in Hawes, 5 people!
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   Old Thread  #3614 6 Aug 2020 at 9.48am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I laugh at most conspiracy theories. I don't necessarily believe in the Chinese theory but it's one that's more plausible but I would guess it would be more likely to be an accident when tinkering with a virus than deliberately unleashing it.

Before anyone ask me to justify this (as they usually do on here ) I can't, I'd be a little surprised but not totally surprised if the above were true but I don't think we will ever get the truth, even with compelling evidence it will still be denied.
Maybe that's a good thing? what's done is done not worth having a war over it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

All we can hope for is we can conquer this one and manage similar things better in the future.
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   Old Thread  #3613 6 Aug 2020 at 9.40am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I listened to a piece on the radio the other day that pretty much knocked the genetic element out. Study of the figures were analysed and when adjusted for social differences there appeared to be no apparent change in outcomes by ethnicity. Minorities are more likely to work in public facing jobs like social care or driving a bus, suffer from health issues related to poverty and so on.
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I thinks there are two parts to this Keebs?

1. The impact on health. Its real, its out there and it is killing people. Possibly end up finding out it is gene related due to the impact on some people compared with others, who knows? sure we will find out eventually?

2. The conspiracy theory. I am pretty confident based on their track record that the Chinese could have modelled this if it is not a genuine health outbreak or maybe they planted the seed or let it mature to see the effects on the global economy?

All i will say is that i hope a proper investigation is held, they comply fully (unlikely) and the results are publicised because if it is a conspiracy then this needs to happen to shame them and prevent another one

At the end of the day, its killing people, whether they are all Covid related is another question but when you see the news and the people in hospital or those who have survived it, thats the true reality for any doubters

Like someone said to me a while ago, there are too many people who do not take it serious enough and until their Grandma dies or somebody close the reality will not set home
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   Old Thread  #3611 6 Aug 2020 at 8.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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This post made me chuckle
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Yep. For me its going to happen

If we have another one there will be some serious job loses. We can thank all these idiots that cannot follow some simple guidelines, ****ers
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2nd Wave - Does This Make Sense?
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   Old Thread  #3607 5 Aug 2020 at 8.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Have they started reporting the number of people tested again? I thought it was only the amount of tests that were published.
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as i saw the figures today. we tested 1 million more people in July than we did in June.
i think that should be better publicised. and taken into account when any rises in infection are looked at.

hospital cases continue to drop.
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I see they are planning to get the kids back to school now, that should be interesting

I see we are getting a few more spikes now too. Iím guessing another lockdown around Christmas or they might hold off until January?

Goes to show, we canít manage **** all when it comes to personal discipline ffs

One thing for sure. At the end of all this the blueprints out for any country to drop an economic bomb when things are not looking good for them

Stay in you ****s, or wear masks, keep your distance and protect everybody else
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/04/manchester-coronavirus-outbreak-warning-complacent-white-middle-class-13084480/?ito=push-notification&ci=26584&si=9412819

Trafford centre anyone?
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/04/donald-trump-grilled-spiralling-us-death-rate-responds-cant-13079753/?ito=push-notification&ci=26426&si=9412819

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY - the interview

at least we don't have this muppet in charge...
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Lucky I didnít claim there havenít been any spikes then eh!

Just that the so called ďhuge spikesĒ never occurred like they predicted. BLM protests had people shouting murderers at them ffs Just read down the thread on here to see the hype about ďIT WILL CAUSE DEATHSĒ

I think itís both, political stupidity on not advising people properly and being vague and wishy washy throughout, then you have people that donít want to do what they are told, for whatever reason. I.e. masks now. Majority wear them but some donít for medical reasons and some donít because they are idiots. Iíll say that because on the premise a mask doesnít do anything like they claim, then those same people must believe in all NHS staff not wearing them anymore, ever. Not for surgery, not at the dentists, not for meningitis cases, etc.
Will the minority get the blame again though? Does 25% not wearing masks automatically mean they are the reason a spike will occur? Of course not, but there will be a bandwagon condemning them wonít there, there already is!
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It's an assumption that shouldn't be happening. We've been told of phone apps and track and trace to rapidly bear down on clusters understanding where and why it's happened. All seems to have gone tits up on that front with people still working on assumptions. Perhaps we should've made sure we could do the right things before letting the genie out of the bottle again.
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Assumptions plenty of those about, something I think we all do. Good post
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Claiming there havenít been spikes of infections is really an assumption. Those places and events would generally have been attended by those likely to be asymptomatic/untested and largely unaffected by the virus, maybe the sensibility of older generations and those with underlying conditions has kept hospitalisation and deaths in decline? Plus the wearing of masks, which although a bit late in the day and from what Iím seeing is only about 50-75% adhered to depending where in London, Kent or Essex Iíve been, could help put the brakes on.
The truth is we couldnít enforce a lockdown and even if we did, hospitals and care homes would still have been spreading it to the old and medically susceptible.
I wonder how many hospitalisations occur annually in the time we have been keeping tabs on covid admissions; for heart failure, terminal illnesses and bad falls?
Superbugs never seem to leave hospitals en masse, weíve had it at our local.
Iím not saying there isnít transmission in the community, of course there is.
But we canít just blame political ineptitude, the thing that spread this (globally) is ignorance and/or arrogance in the worldwide community and unprepared health care services.
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Mr Accurate you couldn't believe how much that post made me chuckle thank you
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Like where to drop a rig accurate
Grow up and cheer up Slow Bob.
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I won't be drawn into another tit for tat so will be ignoring you until your posts are more accurate.
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A mass lockdown of public places till they're proven to be ready to open safely for the public?
Thought we lifted lockdown restrictions at the right time...
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You think alot of things that aren't the case.
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   Old Thread  #3592 3 Aug 2020 at 12.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I actually think we're more in agreement than not Bob - we're all working on opinion and personal experience right now because there are no definitive answers (although there are a LOT of statistics! )

a few stories that caught my eye - please excuse my sources and the sheer bulk of them but I'm billy no mates for a while...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12293024/preston-nightclub-switch-lancashire-reopens-government-ban-coronavirus/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - just along the M65 from Blackburn and Darwen...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12294273/brighton-brawl-seafront-drinkers-beach-coronavirus/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - antisocial distancing?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12294881/fight-flight-ibiza-drunk-brit-refuse-wear-masks/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - and another...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12295524/boris-johnson-young-people-social-distancing-lockdown/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - over 50's locked in?!?!? Who's running the businesses / schools then?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/12279662/eat-out-help-out-everything-you-need-to-know/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly - nothing to worry about here....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/02/kfc-wetherspoons-shut-branches-staff-get-coronavirus-13071517/?ito=push-notification&ci=26123&si=9412819 - or is there?

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/02/hundreds-queue-heathrow-social-distancing-13071708/?ito=push-notification&ci=26134&si=9412819 - at least the travel industry will be ok...

edit - sorry, another one just popped up. looks like you cockernees might be next....

https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/03/plans-seal-off-london-event-another-coronavirus-spike-13075526/?ito=push-notification&ci=26258&si=9412819



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   Old Thread  #3591 3 Aug 2020 at 12.16pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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but to get things under control quickly pubs in the areas we are referring to should be closed unless they can prove they are practising SD to the very highest standard.

Not just pubs, all businesses and local gathering places. It would have been difficult to roll out but having an inspection before being allowed to open and regular monitoring needs to happen otherwise there is no control over it.

If this is solely, as Hancock insinuates, down to families meeting up then it makes no sense, how are you more at risk of meeting your 5 family members than going to a packed pub or to the packed beach, or to celebrate liverpool win the league?

Honestly, the spikes of doom they feared would come as a result of protests, beaches, football celebrations, etc. havent happened. Localised increases have, now is that because like Leicester they started testing more people? because everything re-opened? because those places maybe hadnt had a lot of cases already so it's a larger % increase than other areas? Don't forget the data the decisions are based off has been repeatedly found to be flawed in numerous ways. As Trump said "We test so much of course we find large numbers of cases, if we stopped we wouldnt have any" probably the only sensible thing he's said tbh. The Government were so proud of 'ramping up testing' whilst coinciding it with re-opening things...of course more cases will be found. That's just simple logic, dont need to pin the blame on anyone specific which they seem to be doing.
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   Old Thread  #3590 3 Aug 2020 at 11.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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When it's all over they'll be plenty of people with hindsight who will have claimed to have said 'told you so'

I could pick flaws in your analysis Mal (but that would be only IMO)but to get things under control quickly pubs in the areas we are referring to should be closed unless they can prove they are practising SD to the very highest standard.
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I thought you had the last word the other day
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Definitely not trying to shield anyone tinhead - if only we flippin could eh?

Hancock claimed the rise was directly attributed to people visiting family and friends in homes and I fail to see how he can state that as the reason whilst ignoring the other factors - especially the pubs and the like as we've all seen the examples of how that has panned out.

The virus doesn't just spread from like to like in terms of ethnicity. It's entirely possible that one of the drunk lads in the pub on my corner then went to the Spar and was served by the Asian lad I know who works there, passing on the virus. (And yes this could have happened the other direction too of course)
the factors concerning family life and multi generational living then come into play. And on top of that the possibility of the genetic issues that we've already posted about.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think he's gone far enough if this is about protecting health. If it is that serious then shut the pubs, restaurants and hairdressers again. But that is money related so he didn't.

I've taken this seriously from the off and I know there are no fix all solutions. I just don't think this one has been called right. Maybe hindsight will show me different though eh?

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"Each man has his price Bob and yours was pretty low."
Quite apt Keebs
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Of course it's because of lockdown lifting. They knew it would happen in clusters and will continue like that. Only ****ting it if control of a cluster is lost. Beating out the flames as we go along. Regards to clusters, don't forget this whole thing started with quite possibly one individual and look where we are now worldwide. If not isolated it spreads. Black white yellow pink, Muslim Christian Hindu Jewish whatever.
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   Old Thread  #3584 3 Aug 2020 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Agree Bob, Surely London would be buzzing with cases again looking at the likes of Soho etc that were rammed with little or no SD.

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If that were case then the pubs are open up and down the country so why isn't country wide.
Didn't Jon say the spread in Italy was largely due to them being family orientated and looking after each other.

I'm not saying either way, I know you have a tendency to try and shield BAME when someone says their life styles may have consequences but if it turns out to be true then denial will not help getting the help they might need.
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Or maybe the increase in northern working class towns is actually linked to the pubs opening and not the unfounded claims by Hancock that it's people not distancing in their homes with family members....

Seems more plausible to me....

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True Tony, I do wonder why we havenít seen a massive increase in cases since lockdown was relaxed and pubs etc opened 3+ weeks ago........
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Same everywhere,the government should cancel all lockdowns and let people just get on with it.What will be will be as idiots won't listen anyway
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   Old Thread  #3579 2 Aug 2020 at 2.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So Covid is over in London then?
Was in the west end yesterday and the only social distance looked like making sure your pint doesnít knock into your palís when you both have a sip.
Was in ilford a few hours before it all kicked off too.
Great example we set down here
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   Old Thread  #3578 2 Aug 2020 at 11.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Which was I won't be affected so it's the right thing to do.

Job sharing, pay cuts, different working hours and different working practices are all in the example. With the emphasis on incentives to be in work rather than the incentive to stay at home an additional suggestion. Along with industry specific furlough extension and support.

You knew that though



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Anyone else noticed the European cases rising a week or so after letting brits back in?

I know greece had a load of cases, 80% of which were tourists, mainly British. Tough proposition for tourism reliant economies but it looks like blaming Europe for a second wave is actually technically the fault of British tourists anyway
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Well after a tit for tat which I said I won't prolong all you could come up with is what happened at your sisters shop. I'll stand by my statement and let you have the last word on this one
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So many go back to normal during a pandemic and we'll do the risk assessment as we go along? Cobbler's.
Your also not in favour of doing the right thing cause some might cry about not understanding. Unreal.
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So you have to find another way, area/industry specific
So now lockdown has been eased people have the opportunity to find ways of getting back to normal, if they want to be successful they shouldn't wait until furlough ends they should be doing it now.
As for staggered furlough endings all I can see is an opportunity for people to cry out it's chaotic and unfair.

So to get back to my original statement so far easing of lockdown was done at roughly the right time and I don't agree with Tazi, it may not be perfect but it's a bit harsh to describe it as an absolute mess.
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There's only one silver bullet out there and it's not available for the foreseeable. So you have to find another way, area/industry specific. To get people back to work in a safe and constructive manner. Having the furlough cliff edge the same for all industries is stupid. How can you partially lift lockdown but treat all the same? There's a few that post on here that earn a living in mass entertainment it seems. They can't be treated the same financially in the same time frame as others without extra support.
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Not sat on their arse on furlough payments waiting for things to go back to normal.
I certainly agree with that and am I pleased to here about your sisters shop, lets hope more businesses have ideas like that seeing lockdown has been eased but unfortunately that's not going to fix the whole country.

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In case you are wondering no one in my family has been furloughed.
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My sister is the manager of a designer shop in Cheshire. 7 staff in total, the owner wanted her to get rid of 2 as lockdown eased. The staff came up with a plan to all work reduced hours and open the shop for 3 hours longer per day. Also they got intouch with a scientific supply company in North Wales that supplied them with individual hygiene packs for each member of staff which included high quality UK made PPE. They also purchased a high spec temperature gun which they self test with. I know these aren't perfect or in anyway can diagnose COVID-19, but they bought it anyway and shows they're trying.
The shops back up to 80% of sales compared to the same time last year. The staff and public clearly feel safe and no redundancies. The incentives should be as I say getting people back to work in a safe and constructive manner. Not sat on their arse on furlough payments waiting for things to go back to normal. Not everywhere is London....
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Bearing in mind I live in London the answer is no.
What's your plan to get all those people into central London safely?

PS
I know you like tit for tats on here but I'm not carrying this on indefinitely
It's your idea you come up with the solution
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So you can't think of any way to incentivise employees and employer's to get people back to work in a safe and constructive manner at the same time as lifting lockdown restrictions. Better to have a cliff edge furlough scheme in your view?
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my neighbours said the same thing...


edit - it seems the bars of Manchester did a roaring trade last night and I doubt any of the many drinkers went back to anyone's home that wasn't their own....

no sign of the cat this morning - think she's decided to isolate at number 14 where the food is better
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Well thats put me off my breakfast 🤮
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had a good chat today with a brill lad who lives nearby about the lockdown and Eid

He was gutted about not being able to celebrate with his family - after the last Eid being cancelled due to lockdown and the preparations he and his family had made but accepted that it is what it is. He was of a similar mind to me regarding the ridiculousness of the pubs and cafes etc.

It did make me wonder if Hancock would pull the same stunt at 9.00pm on Christmas eve though...

Or am I being too pc?
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Looks that way doesn't it. Let's hope like the protests that were outside this doesn't cause a spike or we're all going to be lock down again
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So.... if I wear a bikini that sticks between my arse cheeks, can I spend time with my loved ones...?

https://youtu.be/CfGWl_MovUM


Asking for a few friends......


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No I can't see how it can be done and is why I asked you seeing it was you that said you wanted to see things done that way.

Tazi
IMO the easing of lockdown is not perfect but it's not a mess that's channel 4 talk.
Easing lockdown and reacting quickly in localised areas seems to be the way forward. It could go on for long time like this so let's try and get used to it.

On a different note on the news today there was a disgruntled dad who coaches his figure skating son. Should've heard him go off on one about how outrageous it was that the ice skating ring wasn't open. People are still getting ill, dying, losing jobs and livelihoods yet they sent out a reporter to the blokes house to cover that one
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I was referring to the initial lockdown but didnít realise you were referring to the easing of it afterwards.

Itís a mess really.
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Can't you?
You must be able to dream up options even slightly better than millions on the dole.
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Johnson today was ok ... like a student teacher in front of a class of five-year-olds - 'just keep doing the 'hands-face-space' routine and they'll like it eventually' whisper-shouted from the side of the stage to keep him going.
He didn't contradict himself, f*ck it all off for a holiday, or call Dom to ask what to say next, so well done!

This was an admirable example of clear leadership when compared to the uncoordinated sh1tshow on twitter and various channels last night with Hancock on telly this morning to confuse things further.

Brace yourselves for some half-arsed brexit agreement which is 80% in favour of the EU being peddled by Johnson as a 'Historic victory' while the resultant job losses are chalked up to Covid-19 (but we can't talk about that faithful voters, because that would be 'hindsight'...)
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to get to work in a safe and constructive manner

Can you see a way of doing that?


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It's obviously debatable if there's a long term strategy. Edit: meaning I don't see one so can understand why they did.

Instead of spunking everyone's money up to stay on furlough the incentive should have been to get to work in a safe and constructive manner at the same time as lifting the lockdown. Crap leadership in my view.
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So do you think we have shouldn't have eased lockdown?
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Just one at one time that believed the price was worth the human cost. Himself excluded obviously.
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So I'm being compared to a Field Marshal. You're making me blush but thank you all the same

So do you think we have shouldn't have eased lockdown?
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So was Field Marshal Haig a 100 miles from the carnage in WW1.
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No wasn't saying the initial lockdown was done at the right time only the easing.
It was others that confused matters by starting to talk about the initial lockdown
Too clarify IMO initial lockdown in hindsight was too late, easing of lockdown in hindsight so far appears to be about right
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You say you never mentioned anything about the delay of lockdown and yet felt it was done at roughly the right time.
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The asymptomatic youths are the biggest threat to everyone and getting them to wear masks aint going to be easy !


Well at least we can agree on that. Should we go into total lockdown and hope they will do as they are told, can't see that working. Maybe flood the streets with police and arrest them, can't see that happening.
What should we do then?
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I never mentioned the delay in lockdown but yep your a cynic you'd find a hidden agenda whenever lockdown was eased or if the easing was never allowed to happen.
I'm old so have an excuse to be an old grumpy cynic god knows what you'll be like at my age
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Thought it was all agreed and was common knowledge that Boris adopted completely the wrong strategy , with his herd immunity plan which lost us a vital 2 weeks which equates to at least doubling the death rate twice ! so , instead of around 15 000 we had 60 000 excess deaths and how can people be expected to treat the laws and regulations seriously when the idiots in charge flout them at will then bullshi* us .

The asymptomatic youths are the biggest threat to everyone and getting them to wear masks aint going to be easy !
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For starters I guess I must have dreamt that this government allowed 3000 in from Spain that was starting/ if not raging with the virus to watch a football match. Still as long as they also attended the Cheltenham festival though.

Such a shame that Boris wasnít as quick at attending meetings than folk are at shoaling up on the beaches.

Still, the cynic in me would think that him easing lockdown restrictions and putting the responsibility onto the public regards social distancing would enable his total balls up at the very start to pale into significance. If only it wasnít so transparent itíd be a masterstroke in turning the public onto each other.



Yes, isnít hindsight just a wonderful thing.
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I'm thinking the good of the country not myself
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If easing the lockdown has no consequences or impact on you and your work a selfish person would no doubt say it was worth paying.
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Yes there will be consequences for some but what would the consequences be for the country if they tried to keep lockdown going?
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   Old Thread  #3543 31 Jul 2020 at 3.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Depends what you do for a living. Has your life or work life changed with easing the lockdown? Some it has and consequences are spikes in area's, restrictions again and probably financial hardships and maybe deaths. What's your currency for others I suppose.
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   Old Thread  #3542 31 Jul 2020 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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eased lockdown restrictions far too early.

I don't agree with that I think with hindsight (notice that word?) it was roughly right. Yes we have some local lockdowns and we may have more but I think that's a price worth paying if it means the rest of the country can get back to work and try to start the recovery. MSM still wanting to keep everyone's spirits down and dwell on the negatives though.
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   Old Thread  #3541 31 Jul 2020 at 3.00pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Itís best that these wasters in government declared a purge between the hours of midnight - 7am on baldies, fatties and those 6 footers plus too.

Nice knowing ya chaps.

Ps.......wipe the bum fluffers out too.
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I'm fooked then I'm 6ft and bald,I don't drink or smoke so my lungs and liver should be ok.I did read men with facial hair are at higher risk plus men with girls haircuts are doomed
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   Old Thread  #3539 31 Jul 2020 at 1.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Classic partridge! A mate of mine played the waiter in that episode I think. .. you can see him trying not to laugh...

Tinhead - yep. I'm going to enjoy the sun and keep out of the way
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   Old Thread  #3538 31 Jul 2020 at 1.27pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Locked down far too late and eased lockdown restrictions far too early.

Lunatics and asylum spring to mind.
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   Old Thread  #3537 31 Jul 2020 at 1.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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we were told that bald men are more at risk. Yesterday I saw something about men over 6 ft being more at risk

It all reminds me of that bit in Alan Partridge where he is desperate to get a 2nd series and starts making up program ideas on the spot

'Inner City Sumo'

'Monkey Tennis'

'A Partridge Amongst The Pigeons'




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   Old Thread  #3536 31 Jul 2020 at 1.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That sounds accurate but I've had to turn the BBC news off they are out actively finding people to confuse and then asking them if they are confused.
Time for a stroll, take a mask in case I need it and keep my distance.
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   Old Thread  #3535 31 Jul 2020 at 12.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Downing Street briefing has just finished.
Some of the sensationalised loaded questions by the media designed to make them look like serious dynamic organisations just make them look silly IMO.

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   Old Thread  #3534 31 Jul 2020 at 12.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think there was a bit of confusion when it dropped last night but mostly it's straightforward. If a bit nonsensical in parts...

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LINK
Good to see Andy Burnham asking for clarity rather than take the opportunity to score points

Yes it is confusing I'm sure it will be rectified soon but I can't help thinking that the MSM just love to broadcast confusion stories all morning for the sake of it. I don't want to be callous but is there any need to send a reporter out to someone's auntie to interview her about her about her friends & families health circumstances unique to her only and what is she to do?
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Absolutely agree that if there are biological factors then it must be looked at. Just saying that there are other contributing issues too.

Wasn't long ago we were told that bald men are more at risk. Yesterday I saw something about men over 6 ft being more at risk... a couple of biological factors that mean I'm pretty safe! 😅

I've had a word with my cat this morning about her tendency to pop in to number 14 for extra food. She said something that sounded like 'sod that' before heading out...
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   Old Thread  #3531 31 Jul 2020 at 11.01am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
No households can meet up in these newly announced affected areas.

However households from these newly affected areas can meet up with other households that havenít being affected if they follow social distancing rules.



Edit - Canít do links but just take a look at the BBC breakfast interview with Matt Hancock this morning. If this isnít contradictive to the guidelines the government issued then I donít know what is. Itís mind bending to say the least.
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   Old Thread  #3530 31 Jul 2020 at 10.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I think they've got past that and realised it's an oversimplification


Of course you're right about densely populated areas, those areas will be always be at higher risk but coupled with certain ethnicities who prefer to live in closer proximity and it's inevitable spikes will occur there first.
Certain BAME have suffered higher rates of infection and rather than say their bodies may be more susceptible they said it was the jobs they were doing, now it looks like they are more biologically susceptible.
If there's a problem then let's not be too PC and be afraid to talk about it, if not we're not helping those that are suffering.
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   Old Thread  #3529 31 Jul 2020 at 9.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Yeah I think they've got past that and realised it's an oversimplification. Looking at the areas on the list there's a lot of densely populated, working class areas. Working from home less of an option / pub culture / terraced housing etc. Lots of factors although it's easy to look at the measures as an intervention ahead of Eid....

The spikes correlate with pub openings, schools going back (in part) more shops and businesses open.

Over the past few weeks around here it has looked like most people did just go back to 'normal' and the distancing out and about wasn't brilliant. I went into the town centre once and that was it for me. It was a virus' dream with people just ignoring the simple distancing requests... 'I'm not effing walking all the effing way round there. I only want to effing go to primark and it's just there. Effing stupid rule. Come on you two...' ( I think I got the right number of expletives in there)

We've had more testing stations here too and as Trump tells us, more testing means higher numbers. It's entirely possible that other areas have similar infection rates but just don't know it yet...

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   Old Thread  #3528 31 Jul 2020 at 9.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It would seem that transmission is much much more likely when indoors.

Hence the lack of spike following various demo / beach gatherings.

Has the weather made people meet up indoors more recently in the areas which are seeing the new restrictions?
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   Old Thread  #3527 31 Jul 2020 at 9.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Living near one of the areas (Darwen next to Blackburn sadly) this was well and truly expected Ė nobody I know did not know this was not coming.

The truth be told- certain sections of the community have shown a total utter disregard to the lockdown rules since day one Ė football matches when no outdoor sports allowed, cricket matches, social gatherings, weddings with over 100 guests entry via the back doors ...................................... The list and videos of such actions is endless.


This lockdown is of no surprise at all - just plain simple stupidity has caused it.
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For a while they said spikes were happening in areas where the Asian population was high but they don't tend to say that as much lately.
Lets not all be doom and gloom not all of the UK is in a spike some parts are doing quite well all things considered.
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Donít just think itís the pubs, people have relaxed and moved on. No spikes from the riots, marches, beaches and raves. So why now?
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Closing pubs would be the right thing to do,too many pissed up bellends ignoring social distancing
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That post is like my neighbors garden after a mole attack !
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FFS mate why dont you bore off only 1 of my close family or friends work for the NHS I have never claimed the 80% was my figure itís the ONS figure. Go speak to your brother who knows everyone and 2,500 tests and see how many of the 1,3 million have returned positive antibodies as heís well in with the testing program.

Search for UK CV data and low and behold pillar 3 testing data (antibody) over 1,3000,000 tests done.

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Agree itís the right thing to do.

I mean on the whole itís all a mess for everyone and everything.
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I'd agree if it was an across the board lockdown, but it's a bit daft to say that's the cause of the rise in numbers whilst keeping the shops, pubs and restaurants open... maybe it's a plan to boost the north west economy. 'You can't meet at home but you are ok if you are out spending money.

I can see a full lockdown coming for us soon unfortunately...

And of course the coppers isolating is right. It was more of a 'you couldn't make it up' reaction with the situation

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I don't see it as an absolute mess surely it's the right thing to do?
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Nine officers come in contact, 13 others also self isolate as precaution until tests give them the all clear.
All being sensible IMO

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   Old Thread  #3517 30 Jul 2020 at 11.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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actually... it's this lot....

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/18615688.22-police-officers-blackburn-self-isolation-attending-retirement-party/



You've a good point there though - I'm sure we are not the only place where the pubs have been bonkers with those in supposedly less risk groups doing whatever they want.


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They are still working on more nightingale hospitals,my brother in law is working 7 days a week putting machinery in them.
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Wouldn't be so bad if they were building more hospitals and replenishing their stocks of ppe instead of bragging of how well we are doing and maybe a few more nurses , as promised !

Just been chatting with a nurse , she is dreading this winter !
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Is it not fu**ing obvious . the people who are spreading this are predominantly the young , who , are still allowed to meet in pubs and spread to the rest of us asymptomatically !

What a load of bollo**s

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First wave was never really over,its just raised again due to people in pubs pissed up not sticking to social distancing.Covid is here to stay we may aswell just accept it and get on with it
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In Blackburn, we've had the masks rule in shops etc. for a little while longer than everywhere else and still even today there are muppets who are refusing to wear them...

Meeting other households in the pub is still ok though....

This is what Hancock has said

'The spread is largely due to households meeting and not abiding to social distancing. So from midnight tonight, people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in these areas'

Now - how he can say this as an absolute fact when he's pi**ed about with half truths, false data and ever changing advice on something as simple as wearing a mask is beyond me, but there you go eh?
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Second wave is well on the way , maybe if people wore masks eh !
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Separate households banned from midnight tonight meeting up indoors in Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire after a rise in Coronavirus cases.

What an absolute mess and itíll get a lot lot worse I fear.
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That's lucky you know so many NHS staff and relatives that didn't even think they had caught it that have been given access to an antibody test. Out of 1.4 million staff according to your figures 130,000(where's that information from) have been tested roughly 8.5% of total staff. The only antibody test is a blood test.
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I have heard encouraging things regarding harvested plasma from recovered covid patients when it's injected into ill covid patients !

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Would appear there very very very very lucky Mal ....who would have thought it though and must be one of the luckiest care homes in the UK........

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NHS as he is a NHS nurse and for OT does his responding on the telephone. Also my cousin who is not one of the 16 and works as a NHS hospital receptionist had the test 2 weeks ago and was negative and never thought she has had it also her son who went to a private Drs for a back problem last week, was offered a blood antibody test privately. But hey ho they are not happening?

As well as the NHS announcing they are beginning the roll out of antibody testing at the beginning of June on their website and as of today 1,300,00 antibody tests done!

So there i shall end this as the back and forth is getting nowhere. I'm happy to fool myself
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Who tested him for antibodies?Mass testing hasn't come in as far as I'm aware it's unavailable
Let's take a control group of around 650(MP's). All in London jammed together February/March, as we know London was a hotspot at the time. Then scattered to every part of the UK since with access to testing. How many tested positive for COVID-19 with symptoms? 5?10?15? That's 2 or 3 %
You believe you and your 80% example have had COVID-19 and come out of it fine, from the young to 92 year olds. I think you're fooling yourself mate.
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I feel we are going round in circles!

Yes i said that, i'm sorry 16 out of 20 close friends and relatives had symptoms, we are not just talking a cold or sniffle, im talking 3 weeks of symptoms mainly spent in bed or on sofa's. Not running around with a runny nose and a slight cough. it was severe fatigue, sweats, hacking coughs and loss of smell. No one tested because it was before shutdown or when only hospital patients were tested. So not minor or no symptoms, none are applicable for antibody testing so we won't know.

I spoke to a 111 covid responder in person weeks after over something else, when antibody testing was coming in and he said he believed it was CV that i had. He is a trained nurse and he had what he thought was a slight cold at the start of shutdown so quarenteened himself and had just tested and showed he had antibodies. So who knows?

As stated we all had symptoms not minor or asymptomatic, so i'm not claiming these were part of this 80%.

Shocking that the Boffins your brother talks to believe its below 5% of the country have actually contracted CV and more like less than 3%.

Hopefully a vaccine is in the offing, but i'm not putting money on it at this stage. So its an acceptance that its here and will be for the next few years.

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But in your example 16/20 did have symptoms you said but weren't tested. Again the boffins my brother talks too on a daily basis are estimating <5% possibly <3% actually contracted COVID-19. The antibody trials are picking up even less nationally. No antibodies = no immunity as you know.
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ONS?

to quote from ITV

" in the ONS study we find that around 70-80% of people who test positive donít have symptoms"

so if the positives don't show symptoms how wide spread is/was it in society?



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   Old Thread  #3501 29 Jul 2020 at 11.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
20% in the worst hit areas, so way lower at national level.

I'm glad Tommy's feeling better now.
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Is that total population of Italy or the worst affected areas? Tommy Fast Lips, a tanker driver was telling me the other day on a work party his whole family had it in February,no tests, felt a bit rough but all ok now.
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Scientists who've been doing antibody testing here in the worst bit of Italy reckon no more than 20% of the population have had it.

That's scientists, mind. No doubt someone down the pub works with a bloke whose cousin knows the real story.
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Where are these national sources that are used by everyone that corroborate your coincidence 80% example? Link?
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I just think its something we have just got to live with.I don't think a vaccine will be found if I'm honest
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Interesting Braders

Sounds like a genes thing to me, some folk it flattens them and others not much of a sign, not good


TBH I am bemused by some of the feedback in this thread. It is a real threat and danger and we are still believing what is posted on the internet

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One guy I work with who's wife is a nurse and has had covid19 had it really bad.He shared a bed with her still every night and had nothing.There is another lad who's mum is the same and his step dad never got it either nor did my mate.Could it be a case of they have had it but showed no symptoms like i think alot of people have
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the 80% is a national figure used by all sources.

It is coincidence 16 close friends and relatives believe they have had it to varying severity but usually more than a cold and sniffle. If i include my in-laws then its 16 out of 22 but the in laws have not had anything since Xmas.

I find it best not to include them
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   Old Thread  #3492 29 Jul 2020 at 7.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Then your mum and the staff and residents are very lucky
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The general public. Everyone of his colleagues and him have never tested positive for COVID-19 prior.
The 80% is your example 16/20.
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   Old Thread  #3490 29 Jul 2020 at 7.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or maybe the rest fall under the supposed 80%
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   Old Thread  #3489 29 Jul 2020 at 7.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yes alternative facts with a smiley at the end.

Oooh i wonder what no antibodies means?

You've mentioned the results of the validation tests before and that they are showing no antibodies I assume these are from positive tests subjects or are they from the general public?

The 80% is a figure bandied about by various scientific, medical and supposed CV experts not one of my making. People will never know whether they have had this because no test at the time and no antibodies so its all supposition and guess work.

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   Old Thread  #3488 29 Jul 2020 at 6.47pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thought that was the news thread.......

Trump is genuinely trying to drain the swamp, so this is the barrage of bull**** he is constantly under!! I see that, others donít.......no drama.......

1 other thing........care homes........ my mums must be the only one in the country that has had 1 case that ainít spread .......
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   Old Thread  #3487 29 Jul 2020 at 6.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Hey fishie

All ok here here thanks fella.

A political thread. (Clears throat and adopts best Donald Trump voice)...

This is something that I've been suggesting for some time now. In fact a very big time. And under my leadership it would be the best thread. And all the other threads would be in envy of it. Obama never did it. And when he did it didn't work. And if it fails again it will be Obama's fault. ....

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   Old Thread  #3486 29 Jul 2020 at 6.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Mal hows it going?

Neither Trump or Biden should be president, both have their faults lying, senility, bribery and political misdemeanours. Trump well what can i say! Biden who claims government has failed everyone having been Vice President and at it for 40 odd years.

Maybe a political thread may be in order, so everyone can stand in their corners slagging everyones else opinions off
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   Old Thread  #3485 29 Jul 2020 at 6.23pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Alternative facts, WTF
It may surprise you but all other illnesses haven't gone away. I've said before my brother is in the validation program of antibody testing. 2,500 all over the country are part of it and the results are all negative. Now you know what that means if you haven't got antibodies to a virus? Regardless of how you and your family/friends felt months ago and claiming a possible 80% of a group had it with some issues.
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   Old Thread  #3484 29 Jul 2020 at 6.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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well how about not understanding what Stay Alert means its too nuanced
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Honestly if Trump does get a second term then c-19 is the least of our worries. ...

I've never seen a man for whom the truth is so far from what he says.... I mean Bush Jr was appalling but trump sets new highs in utter stupidity
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   Old Thread  #3482 29 Jul 2020 at 5.11pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You got it all right Jon but wonít accept it.......

Their certainly trying their hardest with Trump but he will get the second term.......either that or they will bump him off like JFK.......
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   Old Thread  #3481 29 Jul 2020 at 5.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You'd offer advice on cancer treatments to a cancer charity?
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   Old Thread  #3480 29 Jul 2020 at 4.56pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I Agree with that to extent Mal but if CR called me, you right I wouldnít say loads of people die from A b or C but would push them try alternative treatment like cannabis etc!

Glad you like the boliees.......
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   Old Thread  #3479 29 Jul 2020 at 4.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Functioning perfectly well here Wayne, whatever cobblers you post.

Trumps rejection of fearmongering is going well, isn't it? May well cost him a second term.

New Zealand's fast and drastic action seems to have paid off, wouldn't you say? No, you probably wouldn't. No doubt their PM is a child abuser who spends weekends with Bill Gates.


Fishie - WTF has Kier Starmer got to do with anything?
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   Old Thread  #3478 29 Jul 2020 at 3.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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'Rubber heads', I like that
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   Old Thread  #3477 29 Jul 2020 at 3.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok

But take a step back for a second and just accept that each person that has died from it could have left behind someone who doesn't care about the msm conspiracy theories right now.

If someone from cancer research UK asked for your support I'm guessing you wouldn't call them sheep and inform them that loaf's of people die from flu / heart disease / covid would you?

I think things have been misreported but people have and are still dying

Edit - thanks for the recommendation on the tiger nut boilies. They smell great
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   Old Thread  #3476 29 Jul 2020 at 3.24pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Iím not ranting Mal, if I was ranting it would be full of expletives.......

People have died of Covid, people have died of Flu, people have died of AIDS, loads will now die of cancer......I question the fear mongering of the MSM and there sources!

On that basis I genuinely believe it is a scamdemic, massively mis reported, massively over exaggerated!

Good day.......

Edit- stop it fishie, people canít function with alternative opinions being put to them......
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   Old Thread  #3475 29 Jul 2020 at 3.17pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Stop it..........offering alternative facts or opinions

16,000,0000 positive cases reported of which we have 300,000. These are confirmed cases! what about the supposed 80% who show no symptoms or very minor symptoms, no tests so no one knows. Of 20 close family and friends 16 have had severe colds/flu from December to now. None have been tested as it was only for hospital patients in the beginning. So was it Flu/cold/CV and not everybody produces antibodies or they fade over time, so an after test is about as useful as not getting a test when you think you had it.

And before someone says it was a cold or flu my 92 year old father had severe temperature, hacking cough, fatigue and lost his sense of taste and smell at christmas in the worst flu he has had and is only now getting his sense of taste and smell back!

No denier here but lets get on with living rather than worrying about our own mortality. If you catch it its probably not your fault anyway but be alert, and for the Sir Kier Starmers out there is carry on with social distancing, washing hands and if you want to wear a mask wear it, if you don't don't!

The death rate from CV is horrendous in this country but an investigation puts the Spanish death toll as possibly 60% higher than published by Spain and they are now saying we should trust them over their spikes at this time
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   Old Thread  #3474 29 Jul 2020 at 3.06pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair enough .
Didn't think you were one of the rubber heads
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   Old Thread  #3473 29 Jul 2020 at 3.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How about recognising that the loss of actual friends and family isn't scaremongering and that it's more important than you getting to say 'I told you so...'

Compassion costs nothing and your repeated rants about how there's nothing to worry about / everything to be fearful of are just insulting.

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   Old Thread  #3472 29 Jul 2020 at 2.59pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ken, there is ****load more cases than that! 6% is of confirmed cases or doctored figures!

Not sure what you want me to say Jon?

MSM should all be talking about elite child trafficking and pizzagate, not some fear mongering scamdemic!!

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   Old Thread  #3471 29 Jul 2020 at 2.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That has nowt to do with it, as I just said in this particular case I was just pointing out the correct figures as Ken's were wrong and so you don't keep going on (cause you will ) no, of course it's not acceptable
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   Old Thread  #3470 29 Jul 2020 at 2.21pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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As you've previously posted several times you look at it from a selfish point of view due to your line of work/ lack of it mate. So the question still stands
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   Old Thread  #3469 29 Jul 2020 at 1.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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keep your knickers on I was just pointing out the facts as they currently stand according to the page Ken posted
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   Old Thread  #3467 29 Jul 2020 at 1.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does Orson recommend avoiding a vaccine?
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   Old Thread  #3466 29 Jul 2020 at 1.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If there's 6 billion people on the planet @4% death rate if all infected at some point, while health services aren't overwhelmed that's 240 million deaths. Acceptable to you?
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   Old Thread  #3464 29 Jul 2020 at 1.15pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Going by those figures the percentage of recorded cases that have died is 3.9% and that's 0.008% of the World population
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Worldwide deaths is currently 0.01%........super deadly this virus.........



6% actually...LINK...
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   Old Thread  #3462 29 Jul 2020 at 12.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Wayne, I'm having dinner with a friend at the weekend. Her dad, aunt and uncle died of Covid-19 (all active and in their 70s, no big health problems) within 10 days of one another, and her brother and sister in law were ill for 3 weeks.
What, exactly, would you say to her?

Edit: C'mon Wayne, it's a serious question ...
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   Old Thread  #3461 29 Jul 2020 at 12.33pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Baaaaaaaa baaaaaaaa.........enjoy ya vaccine.......
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There's the answer to your question Keebs.
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   Old Thread  #3458 29 Jul 2020 at 11.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Imagine a pandemic so deadly that 99.9% of the worldwide population survived it!!

Imagine a virus so deadly you have to be tested to see if you have it!

Imagine a cure is available but suppressed for political and financial purposes!

Imagine a world without unethical government, corporations & propaganda media!

Worldwide deaths is currently 0.01%........super deadly this virus.........
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Not interesting for me.
Stating the bleeding obvious with the usual twist of big brother conspiracy in these types of articles.
Government bribes media to achieve compliance to spread fear/government spends on public health awareness campaign during an ongoing pandemic.
Up to you.
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Well there is that yes
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Interesting or bowlocks? link
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   Old Thread  #3453 28 Jul 2020 at 3.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Perhaps they were just feline ill. ...



I'll get my coat....
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It's half a story cause no-one knows the other half yet mate. Bit rich to criticize the press.
Yes they do show symptoms plus virologists are starting to test animals that have been in contact with humans that have tested positive. There's a lot of unknowns that testing hasn't looked at for obvious reasons. The tests are for COVID-19 and they are positive.
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I remember the tigers in NY testing positive for Corona Virus, no outcome ever mentioned. A couple of questions How do they know to test them? do they show symptoms?

Once again half a story from MSM do they test positive because they are breathing in infected air from owners/keepers, Yes they have the virus but is it as a carrier because they are in that environment or do they actually have the disease?

If the first every handle on London tube trains have had Corona Virus.

If you pet owners out there check your pets vaccination certificates all are injected with anti corona virus, but not Covid 19!
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Didn't realise that the average time from infection to death was 19 days, with day 11 the turning point in many cases. Horrible fookin thing that it is.
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   Old Thread  #3449 28 Jul 2020 at 12.28pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
This is the best article I've read on the subject since this whole thing started, worth a look

We Thought It Was Just a Respiratory Virus
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Gradually more and more positive COVID-19 cases in felines, canine's as well as mink. All apparently human to animal transmission with no evidence of the above to human yet
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Given the fact that the previous quarantine rules were hardly enforced, and the reports of people returning from Spain not even having the forms they've filled in with all their details collected at the airport, will anyone in Spain now bother with the self-isolation when they get home?

Have a good holiday mate? How was Spain?

I went to PORTUGAL, alright. Now piss off.
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You would have thought so! but as they say "lies, damn lies and statistics".

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Panorama anybody?

Chinese lying? niver
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Was that one of the 5 Mark questions on Trump's big test?
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Surely that's a simple calculation. Total positive tests - total deaths = Recovered.
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I don't think the realignment of figures will make that much difference. People have still died and maybe this virus has taken people before their time. the last 3 weeks have shown death rates below the national average so who knows?

I understand during the first month of lockdown every CV should have been recorded because of or with. But this country have never posted recovery figures, check worldometer. This lack of moving the posts shows in our figures. According to the figures in the south east we have the second highest number of infections, behind London, but the 2nd lowest per 100,000. so unless they adjust this alogarithum we will end this pandemic, as of today, with 294,000 CV deaths!

If not dead or in hospital, anyone over a month after infection should basically be shown as recovered unless their symptoms are ongoing. But this was used with deaths as scare tactics to keep lockdown in place!

Current and new infections should be the focus at this stage its still out there and doing damage!
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Recording accurate death numbers for COVID-19 was always going to be difficult. I think everyone understood that. The reasons for deliberately false recording are different, I don't think many understood that was going on.
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Just driven back from the south of France today , a sensible amount of people were wearing face masks probably 60 - 70 % at supermarkets shops etc !

Can't remember seeing any UK cars in the area of the Dordogne that i was in , when usually it's every other car !
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@ocelot I was referring to the fudging of the numbers/false recording
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You mentioned what was going on mate? Reasons for potential false recording of COVID-19 cases or furlough fraud.
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I did imagine how smug you mustíve been feeling while hearing and reading this the past few days
Itís obvious really, apart from being a nation of slightly more rotund people there is little reason we should suffer so much more than neighbouring countries.. unless our nhs and care homes failed to shield the vulnerable and made characteristic **** ups with routine care, which no doubt is Borisí fault
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I mentioned I had heard this was going on about 500 posts ago so not surprised at all
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The furloughing scams are out of order as it is only firms that can actually do it. An employee can't furlough themself.

But I guess no employee is going to blow the whistle are they?
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Mate those figures and stories will all come out in the wash. We had a knock up amongst our dart team now pubs are open and some of the stories are worrying. Ones a caretaker at a home, he reckons they were putting down "COVID-19 symptoms" on death certificates cause the home got extra funding if they did. Ones an undertaker and he was saying that they were getting that put on the certificate cause it speeded up the burial process. Ones a heavy goods driver, worked all the way through but now on 3 weeks holiday he's accrued, his firm are claiming it back as if he's on furlough. 2 are landscape gardeners and they've worked all the way through but their boss has claimed they were furloughed, same with a kitchen fitter from our B team.
It's an expensive shambles and it's firms at it more than employees.
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   Old Thread  #3433 17 Jul 2020 at 1.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Check with the ONS first if they will be collated into Spainís CV deaths 😀 apparently the way this country have been catorgorised is wrong, so if you tested positive in April and recovered then in July hit by a bus you are still a CV death because you tested positive at some stage!

I donít expect a big downgrade in numbers but it needs to be revisited who died with or because of CV Or because they tested positive at some stage 🤷🏼‍♂️
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   Old Thread  #3432 17 Jul 2020 at 11.06am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
100,000 mink at a farm in Spain to be culled after farm workers test positive for COVID-19. The majority of the mink tested positive also.
Who's infecting who?
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   Old Thread  #3431 16 Jul 2020 at 12.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12137955/one-in-three-firms-lay-off-staff-furlough/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly

and that's on top of 650,000 that have already gone...

terrifying prospect for so many people. and that's before the knock on effects - less people in jobs means less money spent everywhere - so more job cuts. childcare providers hit as newly unemployed parents keep pre school kids at home with them - resulting in more job losses in that sector. supposed 'flagship' industries hit undermining post brexit trade power (who's going to be buying all the new british cars...?)

sorry for a depressing read
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   Old Thread  #3430 15 Jul 2020 at 3.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They'll be no surprises if some of those stats are cherry picked by others to suit their agenda
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   Old Thread  #3429 15 Jul 2020 at 12.18pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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where I live...

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/14/blackburn-implements-stricter-measures-avoid-leicester-style-lockdown-12990055/?ito=push-notification&ci=22973&si=9412819

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   Old Thread  #3428 15 Jul 2020 at 12.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Latest independent stats analysis Link
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   Old Thread  #3427 14 Jul 2020 at 8.52am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Where I live ... https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-with-the-scars-of-loss-still-raw-in-bergamo-it-prepares-for-the-virus-to-return-12027955
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   Old Thread  #3426 13 Jul 2020 at 10.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
U turn number 246..

Face coverings now to be mandatory.

Why so long?... Must've been difficult for Cummings to find a mate to give a contract to I suppose.
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https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/11/young-man-died-coronavirus-trying-catch-covid-party-prove-was-hoax-12976195/?ito=push-notification&ci=22418&si=9412819

stupid, selfish... other words fail me

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   Old Thread  #3423 12 Jul 2020 at 12.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sorry, having trouble reading that, off for a drive to see if my eyesight improves
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   Old Thread  #3421 12 Jul 2020 at 11.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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or doing your own hour long interview in the garden at number 10?
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   Old Thread  #3420 12 Jul 2020 at 10.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Will you be standing down?
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Yeah I realised that after I posted it, hence the hasty deletion

I usually background check stuff before I post it but it was late and it was so convincing
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   Old Thread  #3418 12 Jul 2020 at 8.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The article basically says that not only have their death rates been higher than their neighbours but they haven't received any anticipated economic benefit through not locking down.
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   Old Thread  #3417 12 Jul 2020 at 8.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The SPR really isn't a reliable source of information.
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   Old Thread  #3415 11 Jul 2020 at 8.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I get spontaneity but for this virus to become active in different parts of the world all at the same time is hard to believe when the easier explanation is contaminated people have been flushing their fluids down the toilet earlier than first thought

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I can't read much of that without subscribing. Does it go on to say the way they dealt with it was good or bad?


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Where the clouds are interesting
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   Old Thread  #3414 11 Jul 2020 at 5.30pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Niiiice...
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   Old Thread  #3412 11 Jul 2020 at 3.14pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Sweden:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html#click=https://t.co/wKnr5L61nr
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   Old Thread  #3410 11 Jul 2020 at 11.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think it's pretty clear that the finger pointing is purely political in intent rather than anything else.

Expert and increasingly government advice is now pretty much 'wear a mask' .... they should've listened to the experts on here ages ago eh?

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   Old Thread  #3409 11 Jul 2020 at 11.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If a changing environment/ ecology is the trigger for dormant viruses we're in the ****.
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I find it difficult to believe that the virus has been dormant in waste water across the world and then by chance it was all activated across the world at the same time. More like the virus was deposited into waste water by carriers of the virus.
I've got no problem accepting the virus may have been around longer than we first thought though.
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   Old Thread  #3406 11 Jul 2020 at 10.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Interesting article in The Brussels Times LINK, there was an article about this in the Telegraph but that's behind a paywall, this gives you the gist though
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   Old Thread  #3405 11 Jul 2020 at 10.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If it was so prevalent around the world it should be being picked up in the antibody testing.
I read an article the other day that Tokyo has had 0.038% positive antibody results, 0.02% in Osaka. Spain under 5%. Germany has battered the testing and 200k positive out of 84 million people.
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There have been more than a few suggestions that this was the mystery virus that decimated the touring England squad in South Africa at the start of the year.

When you see mentions that 80 odd percent of cases have no symptoms, and for a long time only the most serious cases were actually being tested, should we multiply the mid April numbers by 10 to have a better idea of the real scale?
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   Old Thread  #3403 10 Jul 2020 at 6.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mum was seriously ill over Christmas running til after New Year,she is convinced that she had it too.I have told her go get the test too
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   Old Thread  #3402 10 Jul 2020 at 10.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Both my aged parents (92 and 87) had severe flu symptoms in December, they both described it as the worse 3 weeks of illness they both have ever had and my mother when younger spent 6 weeks in hospital with rheumatic fever.

My father 6 weeks into the lockdown had 2 stays in hospital with heart failure. In total he had 6 CV tests and was negative every time. This was in QE2 hospital which had loads of CV patients and has since had numerous nurse/carer visits at home although they are now over. They are both convinced they had it in December, Hacking/severe coughing fits, temperature swings, exhaustion and my father still has a loss of smell and taste since December, though this is gradually coming back now. It was suggested by 1 nurse that he have the antibody test whilst he was in Hospital but this didn't happen.

So draw your own conclusions as this will never be proved one way or another!
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   Old Thread  #3401 10 Jul 2020 at 10.30am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Thereís been some cases where patients DONT produce antibodies. Or if they do they only last a month or so.
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   Old Thread  #3400 10 Jul 2020 at 9.02am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's still 'could' 'would' and 'maybe'.

I personally think it appears to have spread around the World so quickly because it's actually been around a lot longer than they make out and went unchecked and only became a recognised thing earlier this year, imagine all that World travel going on during that period!. I'm convinced I picked it up in the US in January and know a few people who went to the Docs before Xmas showing all the signs but they didn't know what it was at the time. Andy Gill (from Gang of Four) and his tour manager became ill after touring China in November, unfortunately Gill later died LINK
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   Old Thread  #3399 9 Jul 2020 at 10.09pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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He said , they were ill in start of March , had the test last week !
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You can test positive for Covid19 but not have antibodies yet. Antibodies often not present until the patient has recovered.
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   Old Thread  #3397 9 Jul 2020 at 10.03pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!


at last .


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   Old Thread  #3396 9 Jul 2020 at 9.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!

Joiner , who i know well , told me today that , his wife knows someone who tested positive for c19 but didn't believe it and had the antibody test which came back negative , something ain't right !
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If only there was an appetite for a form of QE that could go directly to people who would spend the money and help create jobs. Fairer taxation of unearned income would be a good idea if they want to avoid unemployment but thatís not going to happen either, so there will be millions of unemployed just as we head towards the no-deal disaster and a climate crisis.
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Clearly lockdown was successful in halting the transmission, 300,000 positive tests out of 66 million people. With antibody tests showing a similarly small % of the population have had COVID-19.
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'stagflation'

So that's 'stag', which are big already, plus 'inflation', probably with a compressor, cos a bike pump just isn't up to it ..

Then everything will be 'massively deer'?
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QE is by no means the economic panacea that a lot of people believe it to be and sooner or later you have to pay the ferryman.

The way I see this whole crisis panning out I believe that stagflation will be a very real danger.
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My missus works in a school and didn't feel very well on Tuesday, it wasn't covid symptoms but she was sent for a test at 3pm just to be sure. She got the all clear result at 8am the next day.
Don't know about the past but it was certainly good this week.

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Looks like the testing numbers might not be that reliable

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-the-inside-story-of-how-uks-chaotic-testing-regime-broke-all-the-rules-12022566
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Just seen this, seems relevant to today's discussions

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I do a bit of 5th Beatle duties in the wings as well playing some of the overdub parts off the new album, I'd like to say I give Rod a run for his money but ......
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"Nobody knows how many have had it not everyone with symptoms has been tested."

Exactly and the antibody testing and validation program( which is country/community wide) is finding very few have contracted it.
Regardless of little Billy had a chest infection in January or Jane had a dry cough in February :- they've had it.

Government testing has been a shambles you're right.
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Rodrigo y Gabriela ....

I now know how most footballers must feel when they watch Messi...

Off to bury my guitars in shame.
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Yes the official figure is valid because of the positive tests, that bits obvious, but how many times have they said Asymptomatic and minor responses?

Nobody knows how many have had it not everyone with symptoms has been tested.

Out of 10 close family members 7 have had severe flu symptoms similar to Covid, from December and into lockdown. We don't live in each others pockets so infected separately at different times. We are a family who don't visit if we have a cold or the likes anyway. No tests were done during symptoms as they weren't around or available at the time. No one knows if anyone or everyone had it?

Whats happened to the 3 million game changing antibody tests, the vaccine tests and the new spit in a tube test?

All supposedly forgotten about because people can go to the PUB

The lockdown was to late and abused by to many to be effective as the stats show, no spike after riots, marches, beaches and raves. Does this mean it was more widespread than thought and people are immune without realising? or is it losing it'd potency? or some other reason?
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The official stats are as near to fact as you can get or we're fooling ourselves. Are you saying the lockdown was too effective? I've said before my brother is a scientist now working on COVID-19 testing and is part of the antibody testing and validation program. The boffins he talks to indicate a tiny percentage of the population has had COVID-19 already.
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The official stats are just window dressing. When this first kicked off and everybody was told to isolate they were quoting 200,000 possible new infections a day. Nobody could get a test it was sit at home until you cant handle the symptoms.

With the R rate at 3 at that time, it would have taken a week to infect the whole country using their statistics.

So the people infected in the UK is nowhere near the infected figure. No stats to show how many have recovered but the figure still stands at 300,000 infected. So 60,000 deaths would show 240,000 recovered.

Until the antibody test is made available to everyone no one will know the true extent of the spread. And even then its still unknown if you don't develop antibodies.

I am not a Covid denier but someone needs to ask the right questions, not whether my eyesight will improve if i visit Barnard Castle. Again window dressing on all sides to distract from the true figures, cost and was it worth shutting down the economy!
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Great job hopes it's not too long before you can get back to work in some shape or form
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No, that's not selfish. What has happened in some parts of the economy has been catastrophic and for all those in the entertainment sector (including my wife) it is hard to see how things can get back to the way things were. Even if they allowed concerts to start up again would you really want to be in a crowd of dancing, sweating and singing people? You'll have heard the story of the (NY?) choir in which one infected member infected loads of others.

Advertisers/sponsors are coming back and spending again, with their (our) money and a bigger audience it could help, backed up by government assistance. We all need to do more, I'm trying to spend less on stuff I don't need on Amazon and more on the entertainment that I'm unable to support in person. Podcasts, streaming, donations via tip-jars or Ko-Fi, they help the artists and to a very small degree the people behind the scenes.

I'd love to see more being done to assist smaller artists onto mainstream TV. Okay, it won't be the same as a live set in a dingy pub but it will be better than wall to wall Homes Under The Hammer.



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Read that. Seems to say that overcrowding in households is more significant that population density which seems to make sense
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I'm a guitar tech, was just starting a US tour and was actually in Mexico when all this kicked off and our travel agent told us to make a run for it, tour cancelled, got home about two days before lockdown, game over!

Been working with these guys for the last few years LINK
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Off topic but what do you do in the live music industry, asking not to be nosey but because I like live music
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   Old Thread  #3376 9 Jul 2020 at 10.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The Atlantic

This is worth a read on the difficulties of using population density. The New York and San Francisco death rates are so markedly different yet their population density is similar. It should stand to reason that the closer people are to each other the better the chances of contracting the virus but then you read this.
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   Old Thread  #3375 9 Jul 2020 at 10.26am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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All you can go off are the official stats till the antibody testing is in place. That's the rock and a hard place this government is in. Everything is a guesstimate and it's governments duty to protect UK lives.
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   Old Thread  #3374 9 Jul 2020 at 10.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I meant how can anybody say how many have / havenít had it when they arenít testing everybody
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   Old Thread  #3373 9 Jul 2020 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe Iím being selfish but Iím mainly thinking in terms of myself and all my colleagues in the live music industry whose careers have basically ended for the foreseeable future
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   Old Thread  #3372 9 Jul 2020 at 10.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your worldometer confirmed cases. Have you transposed those UK figures?
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   Old Thread  #3371 9 Jul 2020 at 10.15am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It is that simple. QE can help boost spending if it goes to the people that will spend it. We can borrow as much as we want from ourselves because we have our own currency. Stop thinking of the economy in terms of a household budget, no household can invent money to pay the bills, the government can.
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   Old Thread  #3370 9 Jul 2020 at 10.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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How do you know how many havenít had it?
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   Old Thread  #3369 9 Jul 2020 at 10.10am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Your missing the point. There's 66.37 million that HAVEN'T had it and 45,000 deaths. No point scoring.
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   Old Thread  #3368 9 Jul 2020 at 10.03am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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But when you consider how densely populated we are and how in some areas people are so crammed into multiple occupancy accommodation you could say 280,000 is a low figure, and if only 0.5% have had the virus we're doing bloody marvellous.

I'm not saying that by the way just making a point.
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   Old Thread  #3367 9 Jul 2020 at 9.56am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ok if we are talking purely UK figures as that helps with the political point scoring that this is really all about..

UK Population 66.65 Million

UK Covid deaths 44,517

That's 0.06% of the pop. and the economy is still truly ****ed

Until we have a vaccine what real choice do we have but to 'get on with life',and what if that vaccine never comes, then what

We can always print more money. I didn't realise it was that simple
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   Old Thread  #3366 9 Jul 2020 at 9.55am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Where I read it

The writer got his data from the WHO. My point is that their economy is still adversely affected on a similar scale to elsewhere but their deaths are far higher. Your Worldometer figures are almost bang on 35%.

What are you advocating? Just let it run its course as only a small percentage of the population have died? If we hadn't taken the measures we did the death toll would be far higher and the virus isn't finished by a long way.

The economy will survive and is a long way from being destroyed. We can always print more money.


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   Old Thread  #3365 9 Jul 2020 at 9.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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280,000 COVID-19 cases in the UK so far, 45,000 deaths roughly. Bit more deadly than 0.007% if less than 0.5% of the UK population have had COVID-19. Transpose those figures.
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   Old Thread  #3364 9 Jul 2020 at 9.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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exactly (morning tinhead)

and the 'official figures' quoted daily are way below the ONS figures - so even the stats aren't accurate.

bloody maths... I always struggled with it

edit - here's a number I could get to grips with

https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/09/tfl-stopped-3000-people-without-face-masks-getting-buses-12965919/?ito=push-notification&ci=22008&si=9412819

as the Dixie Chicks might say - 'there's your trouble'
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   Old Thread  #3363 9 Jul 2020 at 9.17am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not aimed at anyone but.........Ö
That's stats for you, people use them to say anything. We all know the government and the opposition will be using them to suit themselves so please don't act so surprised when it happens.
Surely density of population is a major consideration. One infected person in a densely populated city will cause more damage than one person in a field. Now that's a stat that can really be manipulated.
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   Old Thread  #3362 9 Jul 2020 at 8.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Worldometers

USA Deaths Per Million 407

Sweden Deaths Per Million 543

Now my maths is **** but I'm sure that's not 40%, nearer 30 isn't it, and while we are at it for perspective the UK Deaths Per Million is 656 which is something like 60% more than the USA, so what's your point, we have locked down Sweden haven't but.........?

The World death figures currently stand at (and I got a calculator for this )

0.007% of the Population, I'll repeat, 0.007% of the Population

but we have destroyed the economy, surely everyone can see that is totally nuts
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   Old Thread  #3361 9 Jul 2020 at 7.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Semi lockdown , as i keep saying there were certain restrictions , like not being able to stand in bars , so you needed a table so they could not get too overcrowded !
As i keep saying , if it is what the majority , then its ok , a decision made on balanced evidence , and you were not getting anything except from bullshi* this lot that govern us ! remember , Boris was bragging about shaking hands with everyone at the hospital and talking about herd immunity , a feckin joke
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   Old Thread  #3360 9 Jul 2020 at 0.46am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm not actually going to disagree with you and say It's all in the stats. You can make them tell what story you want.
I was just astonished with Spanker talking about asymptomatic transmission and trust/belief in the same post
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   Old Thread  #3359 9 Jul 2020 at 0.33am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Sweden has had 40% more deaths than the USA and their economy has suffered as well. The guy behind the plan is having regrets and the government is having an inquiry. Would our population have been as well disciplined? Tens of thousands dead and people here still canít even put a mask on for a train ride.

Edit: Thatís 40% more per million of population.
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   Old Thread  #3358 8 Jul 2020 at 11.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Talk about asymptomatic as much as you want but we did lockdown but we should've done it sooner but Sweden didn't really lock down at all so in theory they should've been worse off.
So in hindsight all we needed was trust and belief, if only we knew.
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I think you would need to have trust or a decent level of trust in your politicians to adopt their strategy and believe in it as they have and as proven on a daily basis you can not trust this shower of sh** that govern us in the uk .

Boris Johnson, along with several of his most senior ministers, have repeatedly insisted that scientists did not know the disease could be passed on from people who were not showing symptoms of the virus.

But notes from the Governmentís own Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies appears to contradict this, while a leading virologist has scientists ďwith any level of knowledge of human virusesĒ would have suspected asymptomatic transmission from the outset.

The bullshi* and bluster brigade strike again !
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   Old Thread  #3356 8 Jul 2020 at 12.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe, maybe not, we shall see Link
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   Old Thread  #3355 7 Jul 2020 at 9.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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His thoughts on Sweden havenít aged well.
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   Old Thread  #3354 7 Jul 2020 at 7.36pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Totalitarian States in the USA? . He's probably contributed to the explosion of COVID-19 in Arizona.
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   Old Thread  #3353 7 Jul 2020 at 6.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Disgusting , but predictable from the buffoon , they admit to nothing and will lie about anything and everything , he misleads parliament nearly every time he opens his mouth , there are a few about that need to wake up , we have become a laughing stock on the world stage !

Gutter politics
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   Old Thread  #3352 7 Jul 2020 at 6.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I take care of myself Chuffy , always have , i knew Boris would make a balls of it , so i prepared as best i could and tried to warn as many as i could i also bought and gave out over 100 masks , i tried to do my bit !

I always say if it's the will of the majority then it's fine by me , as long as you can base your conclusion on balanced information and if the Swedes did this then fine , they did have a semi lockdown though ( not mentioned in your one sided link )
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   Old Thread  #3351 7 Jul 2020 at 5.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
There are two types of people in the world. Those who want to take care of themselves, and those who want big government to take care of them.

Hmm, is he referring to Spanker and Wayne by any chance?
LINK
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   Old Thread  #3350 7 Jul 2020 at 4.53pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Looks like another populist leader has fallen victim to his own idiotic handling of coronavirus , i have no sympathy for the buffoon, just the 1000's who have suffered and died , ! just Trump to go now for a full house !
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   Old Thread  #3349 7 Jul 2020 at 11.25am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/07/boris-accused-blaming-care-homes-government-mistakes-saying-didnt-follow-rules-12954517/?ito=push-notification&ci=21705&si=9412819

That's it Boris - take the Trump approach and blame everyone else....

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   Old Thread  #3348 6 Jul 2020 at 11.35pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
'Italy's frontline - A Doctor's Diary' on BBC2 now - docu-film about an Italian Doctor during the covid crisis

Will likely be on iplayer if you miss it
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   Old Thread  #3347 6 Jul 2020 at 7.22pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or is it down to a few anomalous lab tests being accidentally contaminated?
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   Old Thread  #3346 6 Jul 2020 at 5.57pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or is it that no one knew it existed prior to october 2019. Itís symptoms and illnesses it causes are all very similar to the normal flu strains we get annually. Makes you wonder if they went back and tested for it how many would they find had actually died from Covid 19 causing illness and not other things they knew existed and attributed them to.

Did they suddenly become active or did they suddenly start looking for it?
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   Old Thread  #3345 6 Jul 2020 at 4.38pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Spread by aliens? Oops sorry wrong thread
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   Old Thread  #3344 6 Jul 2020 at 2.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That's the part I don't get
Why in Western Samoa with no traveling 30% deaths, at the same time as Spanish flu in the rest of the world?
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It says Traces of Covid-19 were found in sewage samples in Spain, Italy and Brazil

But isn't it a bit of a coincidence that the dormant viruses in these countries all became active at the same time?
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   Old Thread  #3342 6 Jul 2020 at 12.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
From the daily fail but interesting all the same. covid19 found globally before China outbreak
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Wayne, do you think perhaps they opened the pubs today so that the racket created by the pissed up people would drown out the final bits of the 5g installation?
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