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In reply to Post #81
I think that’s the problem with Coleman’s, a bit like landroverr, if you have a good one, stick with it...if it’s a bad one then just get rid of it ASAP.
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In reply to Post #80
I used to love Coleman Peak 1 stoves until I bought a pup.
My original Peak 1 was brilliant, no problems, occasional generator change, but eventually fishing every week wore the burner rings or discs out. With a new generator, pump and the discs it was cheaper to buy a new stove, which I did. The new one was terrible, I regularly had to change generator, pump, even burning decent Coleman fuel or unleaded.
At Taverham, while fishing with my Mrs, the stove would not light, despite being properly pumped, it would not switch on, fuel would not come out. I took the filler cap off slowly to release pressure, took the stove apart, cleaned it, check the on/off knob, put it back together, repumped it, turned it on, nothing. I lifted it up, shook it, nothing, suddenly it 'released' or cleared itself and sprayed my face with petrol.
My Mrs had to pour lakewater over my head to get the petrol off my face. For the rest of the trip I used the original despite it being worn out.
On getting back to Ipswich I immediately went back to gas stoves, buying a Web Tex Warrior.
Since then I have stuck with gas, although I am using a TFG Lite Stove now.
My preferred gas is the GoSystem gas screw on canister. I found that burns better in winter than standard Coleman or Cadac canisters.
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I used Coleman’s for years, but I wouldn’t go back to them these days. For the most part they were fine. I changed the odd generator, but eventually just started mixing in a bit of redex and that seemed to do the trick.
However I had two incidents which made me ditch it and go back to gas, a t4 and a ridgemonkey. The first was when I pumped it and it sprayed fuel all over my hand, luckily it wasn’t lit or that could have been nasty. The last time before I chucked it, I lit it okay but the bloody thing wouldn’t switch off, so I had to just leave it to burn out, which on a fairly full tank took quite a while. I gave up on them in the end. A bulin for less than 25 quid and a box of gas for less than £20 will see me through nearly a whole season, I don’t cook that much on the bank.
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In reply to Post #73
Your post reminded me that the valve on mine was playing up so I just stripped it, but you shouldn't have to to sort yours out as it's only the gauze filter that needs clearing I'd say. An old toothbrush pushed into the holes in the burner should do it. A squirt of brake cleaner would be good if you have some around. The bulin isn't the easiest to strip down, I'd avoid doing it if you don't have to
It's a good idea to remove and clean the o ring and gasket seal at the can connector and give them a light smear of silicon grease before putting them back 
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In reply to Post #77
I told you ??? I have owned and used BOTH the stoves you mentioned F*****g YEARS ago  (post 60 if your memory's letting you down lol )
and give me a Bulin or a sportster over either of them any day for use in this county
the Coleman's is a flawed design as you haven't a material to soak in ignitable liquid.
your beginning to sound like a nut case now  
wonder if the millions of Colman stove owners know this
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In reply to Post #72
Bulls hit does low pressure cause them to turn into a flaming fireball. If you take a look at MSR's multi fuel cookers, or my Optimus cooker where there's a bit of material that gets covered in the flammable liquid that you're using which pre heats the fuel which in turn makes it combust properly...blue flame, not an orange/yellow flame which is too liquid rich and not vapour. Too liquid rich...fireball. I can put as much pressure as I physically can into my cooker, but if it doesn't get pre heated it turns into a mushroom cloud, exact same principle goes across the petrol cooker spectrum, the difference being that the Coleman's is a flawed design as you haven't a material to soak in ignitable liquid.
As for my artic circle comment, yeah, I've been there, about 30/40 miles in, northern Norway 3 months every year for three years on the spin in the late 80's early 90's from January to march..coldest it got -43c. Believe me or not, I've got nothing to prove.
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In reply to Post #74
it DOES tell you in the instructions 
QUOTE >>>>>>>>>> When burner lights, open PUMPKNOB one turn and pump for30 full strokes
In a lot of cases people just dont do this vital step THIS will cause 99% of problems
when I first bought my Peak 1 stove it was in the days of leaded petrol and I actually bought a tube of pre heat paste but before I had used all the tube I realised the secret in lighting /running the stove was the correct pressure the higher the better
when we get a real frosty morning if I can be arsed I will do a video in my back garden and PROVE what Im saying I will light 3 of my collection of colemans so watch this space !!
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In reply to Post #48
I THINK there is a way, thats why i posted the YT video, anyway @Panander has done it for years ...
still waiting for him to reply AND comment about the vidoe...OR can you or someone here post a link to the " previous thread.on refilling gas" THANKS!
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In reply to Post #72
cor blimey some heated comments here since i restarted the 1 year old thread! 
@oldgeezer
RE: "I will tell you again LACK OF PRESSURE CAUSES FLARE UPS in this country right pressure you wont have a problem I have fished PROPER winters both here and Europe never needed to use a pre heat paste never had any problems"
if this is the case WHY THE HELL DON'T Coleman DESCRIBE this is there instructions??
BTW, NEVER owned a Coleman - but a mate bought one back in the late 80's and he and others had FLARE UPS (i even see it today)
thats why i used a paraffin stove for years - just EXCELLENT & CHEAP!
however i DON'T fish in sub-zero temps anymore , cos i'm getting on and still use a 80's waterlot bivvy!!!
RE: " there is F**k al daft about a Bulin stove as you put it these stoves are brilliant and for around £24 a very good buy AND will happily work in sub zero temps on butane !
as they have a pre heater pipe over the burner head you simply light the stove and then turn the gas can upside down and the stove will vaporise the liquid fuel into gas as its heated and run like its a summers day "
i do own a T4 with preheat pipe had it 4/5 years WORKS fine in WINTER if you use butane / propane mix canister -
what you state above using ONLY butane is interesting, so will this work also using an adaptor (£2 of ebay) AND those CHEAP butane canister 225g 3.99p 4 PACK from B&M ?
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In reply to Post #72
Cheers duggs.
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In reply to Post #71
You never had a sportsman turn into a fireball or flare up on you? Yeah, right
NOPE !
and I worked in the petroleum industry for over 40 years so I do know about Naphtha AKA colemans fuel I worked with the stuff !!!!! and used panel wipe that is also Naphtha !
I will tell you again LACK OF PRESSURE CAUSES FLARE UPS in this country right pressure you wont have a problem I have fished PROPER winters both here and Europe never needed to use a pre heat paste never had any problems
I've used the peak one a fair bit in places like the Arctic circle yea course you have 
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In reply to Post #70
You never had a sportsman turn into a fireball or flare up on you? Yeah, right. Itchy beard. Think you've got a selective memory there mate.
Those Coleman's either the peak one, sportsman etc need the generator pre heating up, nothing to do with pressure. A way to do it is with a heximine block or at worse a lighter to get the petrol hot enough to ignite properly. I've used the peak one a fair bit in places like the Arctic circle and over here with naphtha, they truly are dog s-hit, and that's their top tier burner!
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In reply to Post #68
Had a few Coleman’s but though fast to boil very messy to use and prone to flaring up so potential for an accident!!
I have used Colemans since my first Peak 1 400a ((that I still have and is in perfect working order))
IMHO 99% of flare up problems are caused by user error
SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE ENOUGH PRESSURE !!!!!!!!!
People pump them up light them !!!!!!!!!
..........................just completely fail to understand that they THEN ! need to pump the granny out of them
once they are alight ???????
or the lack of pressure will cause yellow flame flare ups
if they did pump them up to put back the pressure they used lighting a cold stove then everything would be fine I have lost count of the times I have shown people this you cant over pressurize them but you sure as **** can under pressurize them
I NEVER EVER HAVE FLARE UPS ON MY DOUBLE BURNER OR MY SMALL STOVE
I also only now run them on Aspen petrol still cheaper than running a gas stove
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In reply to Post #66
Sounds like a clogged filter, strip it, clean it and reassemble.
You might get away with just a squirt of brake cleaner inside while holding the stove upside down to clear the carbon deposits
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To add my thoughts having fished all through the year since 1980, started with a blue camping gaz model absolutely useless and expensive to run.Had a few Coleman’s but though fast to boil very messy to use and prone to flaring up so potential for an accident!! As Gerry has said a stove that pre warms the fuel pipe is sufficient for British winters run on butane. Having said that after extolling the virtues of Bilingual stoves I did have two go belly up on me so have been using a ridge monkey stove for a couple of years without any problems (I notice they have brought out a version with a pre heat pipe now).
As for timing how long your kettle takes to boil what’s that all about!! We sit there for hours what’s a couple of extra minutes waiting for the kettle to boil!!
Michael
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I've used a Coleman ,love it in the colder months ,also if you only put what you need in the kettle a coupe of shakes here and there will soon heat up the kettle with a gas stove on a cold day
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In reply to Post #65
My bulin stove with a pre heater started playing up this week, the pi ezo lighter stopped working and the flame was high and yellow. Anyone had these problems? Is there a way to fix it? Ta.
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In reply to Post #63
How many nights a week do you do 'unc'?
these days In my mid 70s and a shyte pension not many !! its now more of how many I do a month !
Sunday morning I drove 146 miles to the River Trent fished 48 hours for Barbel had a very successful trip then Tuesday afternoon drove back £35 worth of fuel in my car means I cant afford to do it every week !!
but I used to fish 2 and 3 week trips in Europe when I was working and have used most types of stoves and fuels over the years as I started Carp fishing in 1962 !
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In reply to Post #61
I've got 2 large dogs with me that fidget around so I need to do things as quick as I can before one of them knocks the kettle over
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In reply to Post #60
Thanks for the life history of your cooking stove escapades uncle Albert when I was in the navy 
How many nights a week do you do 'unc'?
Edited to add
I know you're a decent bloke mate. I'm just yanking your chain. Don't take it to heart
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In reply to Post #58
It doesn't take half an hour. Just enough water in kettle and 5-10 mins max. I'm in the chill out and smell the silt club.
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In reply to Post #60
glad im not the only one without a stop watch timing their kettle boiling!
fill the ketttle up light it and sit back and take in the surroundings, if it takes an hour it takes an hour.
enjoy the time rather than racing for a boiling kettle
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In reply to Post #51
sunshine I probably used an Optimus 8R Camping Stove before you were born as you sound like a soppy kid ? with your pathetic insults
and I also had a Primus omnifuel both I got rid of very quickly they are great expedition stoves but totally pointless in the UK fishing scene
Bulin t4 stoves are a superb stove for fishing if you like gas and coleman when run on the right fuel (aspen) and used by anyone with more than 2 brain cells are as safe as gas or any stove
and when I go fishing Im in no hurry as often I use my Trangia now thats slow but love the silence and dont care how long it takes Im in chill mode when relaxing fishing
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In reply to Post #57
Half hour for a brew? Wicked
Mine? About 1 and 1/2 mins...bosh
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All my session fishing takes place South of London so that may make difference. Water freezes at nought degrees C. Two or three consecutive days with daytime temperatures below freezing and the lakes will freeze and nobody will be fishing. We are not in the Arctic and we need liquid water to fish. Never had a problem with cheap lightweight gas stoves. Little bit slower in cold weather, but I can live with that. Don't waste a fortune on some more overkill gear.
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In reply to Post #52
Unless there's been some huge leaps since 2015, I think they're useless. They're governed by the pressure in the gas bottle. Some might have shielding which might make a difference. Mine on the other hand is like turbo nutter bstard powerful, although it simmers just the same as a gas cooker. It is the ball hang. Yetis on My Everest use these things
Conversely, have you ever used anything like what I'm suggesting to have a clear knowledge of the differences? Also, how often do you go, are you out every single weekend every week, do you also fish during the week, or do you just go once in a while? Cooking the occasional pot noodle and a cuppa every once and a while, anything would seem good.
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In reply to Post #54
mine doesn't have a preheat pipe
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In reply to Post #53
The two that I can see on the angling direct page have pre heat pipes so should be fine
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jumping in here 
i have a standard advanta stove, only a cheapy.
with that coleman extreme c300 gas will the pressure be better in the winter?
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In reply to Post #51
It must have been a while since you used a half decent gas cooker. Those Bulins cost nothing and have seen me through the depth of several winters now with absolutely none of the issues we used to see with gas. It's clean, quick and easy.
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In reply to Post #49
Lol
Gas is s hite. Always has been. Takes ages to make a cuppa, especially so when it gets cold. Fannying around with gas. Yeah, sure thing.
With what I'm suggesting you don't have to get rid of empty gas canisters, you just fill up with whatever you use in your jam jar and you're golden. Red hot and boils stuff in minutes instead of eons. My Optimus is well quiet with the PawDog and the MSR is sensible out of the box, but hey, if you want to arse about with pony gear, you go right ahead and fill ya boots. Go mental.
Oh, and the Coleman's sportsman. F's sakes, like fire hazard waiting to happen. More s hit tips from you. Well done.
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In reply to Post #49
Was thinking exactly the same thing Gerry. My T4's going into it's fourth or fifth winter now and hasn't missed a beat. Team it up with a decent gas like the GoSystem powersource and it won't let you down. 👍
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In reply to Post #47
opinions are like bums we have one so Im sorry I really should not laugh at your post
but the 2 stoves your advocating are wonderful if your visiting countries where gas is not available and you can use another type of fuel but
utterly pointless over priced noisy stoves for use here in the UK
......................................there is F**k al daft about a Bulin stove as you put it these stoves are brilliant and for around £24 a very good buy AND will happily work in sub zero temps on butane !
as they have a pre heater pipe over the burner head you simply light the stove and then turn the gas can upside down and the stove will vaporise the liquid fuel into gas as its heated and run like its a summers day
Or
a Coleman sportster will be cheaper to run than gas EVEN if you run it on the super clean Aspen fuel
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In reply to Post #46
Bought one of those adaptors as recommended on a previous thread. Load of rubbish. The gas leaks everywhere whilst you are trying to fill the can. Waste of gas & money paid to purchase the adaptor. I bought 12 cans on ngt gas for £30 at a show. Will l last me a couple of years. If it gets really cold I use a Coleman with aspen fuel.
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Don't waste your time with daft rebranded camping cookers, get a decent mountaineering cooker that's easily servicable on the bank and will last a lifetime.
The best cooker out there I've found is the Optimus Polaris. It's not cheap, by Christ is it mustard coupled with a PawDog burner head. It's multi fuel so you also use it with gas, petrol, diesel etc. There is also the MSR Whisperlite which comes in a very close second and is exceptional also.
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In reply to Post #44
@Panander MANY thanks for your reply.
here's a ' how-to video on refilling camping gas canister:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjJF5NTaFOo
please let me know ya thoughts...
How many times do you refill your large gas canister (570gms) before you bin it?
Also whats AD shop?
cheers!
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In reply to Post #44
If they are charging £7 for a gas can they must be taking the piss. You can buy box of six for less than twenty quid.
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In reply to Post #42
a couple of Q's if i may:
is "refilling gas" safe?
AND is there a YT video or a link you can provide on how to do this/where to buy the adapter etc?
Is it safe?
Well I am still here and have never had any issues. I feel fairly confident that experts in the field will tell you its not a good thing to do though. The actual refilling I always do outside for obvious reasons. I weigh the bottles as they are filling - I go to 570gms max. That is tin plus gas.
As for Youtube videos. I have never seen one personally.
The adaptors can be bought from Ebay. They come from the Far East of course and they do need a bit of help to screw home but once there, not an issue. I have used two types - the first had a plastic hand wheel which soon broke so I had to use some grips after that. The latest one has a brass handwheel but still needs persuasion to tighten up. Once there though its good to go.
Cool the tins in the freezer first (you may have to do it a few times to get the required amount of fuel in especially when its warm).
Not everybody's cup of tea but it works for me. I was in AD a little while ago and I'm sure I saw some 600 size propane gas tins. Pretty sure it said about £7 a pop. Did I dream that? Not sure.
The beauty of propane is it is not weather affected. It always works. Also you will empty the tins. They work till they are empty and don't really drop off until they are virtually out.
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In reply to Post #42
There have been several threads on here that mention refilling, with links to the parts needed.
Also several YouTube videos with details of parts and methods.
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In reply to Post #14
Thank goodness for this thread, i used a primus paraffin stove for years during the colder months, however its packed up and i really rather use gas...
@Panander - your post piqued my interest in regards to 'refilling the Coleman canisters with propane'
a couple of Q's if i may:
is "refilling gas" safe? 
AND is there a YT video or a link you can provide on how to do this/where to buy the adapter etc?
MANY thanks in advance for ya help!
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Anyone who fishes in the depths of winter should make sure the gas stove they use has a pre heater pipe
then SIMPLY ! light the stove wait a min then turn the gas bottle upside down it will then run on the liquid gas
remembering when you turn off it will run on for a few moments longer due to running on the liquid gas no need to ponce about with anything else ?
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In reply to Post #11
Great idea thanks for the link
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In reply to Post #38
I use the Coleman butane / propane mix which is good. Definitely worth getting a stove with a preheater as well . As already mention the bulin T4 is excellent, so much so I have recently bought a spare for when mine eventually packs up 👍
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In reply to Post #35
Blow me down..... Thursday morning im on the bank,,,,, 1st frost of the year and the stove stopped working again....
Were you using butane or a (primarily) butane mix? In which case once the temperature gets down to 4 degs C it will struggle. You need either a propane heavy mix, just propane or a liquid fuel stove that runs on petrol(or the better derivatives like Aspen or Coleman fuel) or paraffin. I ran an Optimus Nova on paraffin for years - bullet proof and very cheap to run. This all over the Lakes and Scotland in all weathers at all times of the year. I'm a propane running softee now mind.
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In reply to Post #36
I like a lot of the monkey gear, but I’ve got to agreethe stove isn’t their finest hour. I do use one as my main cooker now, but I keep a t4 in the van as a back up.
I think they really need to bring out a mk2, with a preheater. The concept of a square stove for their pans and the ability to add a second head off of one has bottle is excellent, The levelling feet work well, but the final product is far from perfect.
Someone mentioned them flaring up if the canister gets knocked over. I tried mine at the time and it didn’t do it, I realise now that’s because the can was nearly empty. I tried it with a full canister and it flared up like a oil rig. I now know why they provide clip on legs for the gas canister with the stove. I guess they discovered this issue too far down the line to change the design, so a cheaper fix was to provide plastic gas can feet instead. Which I’ve now lost anyway.
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In reply to Post #35
Ridgemonkey have had no end of problems with their stoves, the rest of their gear is good stuff though.
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In reply to Post #19
Ridge Monkey stove - last year sent it back, because it stopped working in the cold..... they did replace it for me eventually.... ( under duress I may add )
Blow me down..... Thursday morning im on the bank,,,,, 1st frost of the year and the stove stopped working again....
Now Ive fished through the winter over the past 25 years and never had a gas stove do this to me, let alone twice....
What a waste of £39....... Never buying their stuff again.
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In reply to Post #23
Thats crazy, I see you said you used to have a mate, hope he is still alive after it. I used to boil some water and put the canister in it, helped a bit but froze again soon after. Bought a Coleman Stove and its never let me down.
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In reply to Post #32
The Aspen 4 is great, cheaper than the Coleman Fuel and wont clog up your stove like petrol. One of the many helpful tips I learned from this fourm.
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In reply to Post #31
With the Coleman’s you can use petrol, Coleman fuel or Aspen 4T as well which is cleaner than petrol.
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In reply to Post #30
If your budget stretches to it and you want to burn petrol and not sure about using gas, get a multifuel burner like a Primus omnifuel. Then you can burn anything and if you carry a bottle of petrol or other liquid fuel and gas you can switch to either. Usually I use liquid fuel out of the bivvy and gas inside if the weather turns bad or use my Trangia burning meths.
Primus stoves can be bought cheap second hand on EBay. Over the years I have bought both a multifuel and an omnifuel for far less than just one of them full price.
Another consideration though with using petrol, the jets clog up occasionally so your having to clean them and you could end up with your hands smelling of petrol unless you use a more cleaner fuel like Aspen 4T or Naptha which does not clog the jets
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In reply to Post #29
Petrol it is then.
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In reply to Post #27
agreed
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In reply to Post #27
Yes i still use a gasoline stove, no problem in the cold
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If you dont mind petrol then the Coleman is the bussiness.
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In reply to Post #25
Neither does deliveroo
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Trangia stove will never let you down in any conditions.
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In reply to Post #23
Agree - certainly would never warm the canister with direct heat!
issue being that it can cause heat to be applied in too concentrated manner which causes the gas at that spot to expand more rapidly than the rest which can cause issues. if you have to warm the canister then using warm water is the only safe way (or in sleeping bag/jumper etc) - ie a more gentle and consistent warming .
Though a stove with a pre-heating tube is preferably to both for me (partly because i end up getting water everywhere otherwise)
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I used to have a mate that would put the gas canister
straight onto the lit stove
I definitely wouldn't recommend that method, used to
frighten the life out of me. The fact he was incredibly
accident prone didn't help.
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In reply to Post #21
This is exactly what I do and touch wood up to now I've had no problems in the last 18 month's 👍
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Hi, as info posted, idea of the preheater tube (like Bulin T4 as), is you can use liquid gas, which turns back to gas in preheater tube, before it hits burner holes.
So just turn your canister upside down.
Some stoves come with a holder, for putting the upside down canister in.
Let preheater tube get a bit hot, before inverting canister, else it might flare (i ain't had it thou).
Not only does it make stove work/ roar again, in the cold, but it gets every drop of fuel out of canister.
Its how you use a Bulin T4 type stove.
Bob
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In reply to Post #19
Good old shake of the canister or put it on the heat for a few seconds
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If it's that cold your stove stops working because the gas is to cold go home.
If it gets that cold and I cannot warm my canister up which it never has done, then I would switch to my Trangia or just remove the gas canister from the Primus multifuel or omnifuel, connect the liquid fuel cell and start using unleaded, naptha or Aspen 4T.
The only thing that makes me go home in winter is when the lake freezes over completely.
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If it's that cold your stove stops working because the gas is to cold go home.
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I just fill a one or two litre bait bucket with pond water and float my cannister in it, even in deep winter, the water is warm enough to stop the cannister freezing up in use. And after use, I just keep the water filled bait bucket inside my bivvy to keep warm to stop it freezing over on a night, and if it does, just refill it from pond again.
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Thanks for the input chaps, much appreciated!
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In reply to Post #11
I do something similar, I take the lid off the kettle and put the canister on top.
It works! 
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In reply to Post #13
If you can find the adaptor you can refill the Coleman canisters with propane. That doesn't bother with the cold.
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In reply to Post #11
thanks for the link, learn something new everyday
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In reply to Post #11
I've got to agree with you there mate, get yourself a t4 you won't beat it with any other stove.
And a top tip by the way for winter chuffy. 👍👍
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In reply to Post #1
Get a Bulin T4, some propane/butane mix canisters and when it gets really cold do THIS
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The Coleman Extreme gas is very good at low temperatures, but a little trick is to take a small flask with you and fill it with freshly boiled water once you get there. Keep the water in the flask warm & if the gas starts to lose pressure, place the can in a bait box or bucket, etc and pour the hot water from the flask in to the bucket so it warms the can up. You will then get maximum pressure back almost instantly as well as hearing the liquid gas in the can "boil". Makes a massive difference in performance especially if the canister is almost empty.
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In reply to Post #8
Ditto that...
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In reply to Post #1
Simple get yourself a trangia stove..
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In reply to Post #1
Dont buy the Ridgemonkey crap.
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In reply to Post #5
Will have a look, cheers!
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In reply to Post #1
Does your stove have a preheater tube across the burner ? You will find that stoves will burn better in winter with a pre heater tube , I use a Bulin T4 with standard Coleman 70/30 butane propane mix gas canisters available at most online tackle shops cheap , there’s only the odd time I have had to turn the gas cannister upside down to get the gas/fluid to flow
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In reply to Post #1
as above
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In reply to Post #2
A 450g Butane one, screw thread.
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In reply to Post #1
What sort of gas canister are you using?
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Hi guys, i'm after suggestions for the best Autumn/Winter stove gas. I'm sick of waiting ages once it gets colder for the kettle to boil! TIA
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