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   Old Thread  #89 17 Mar 2019 at 10.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Exactly
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   Old Thread  #88 17 Mar 2019 at 6.58pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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seen a few go up on ebay already
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   Old Thread  #87 17 Mar 2019 at 6.52pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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RRP is just Ďrectal rape priceí that those silly enough to pre-order items or canít wait a few months pay
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   Old Thread  #86 17 Mar 2019 at 6.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Seems like one low shelter recently released is not selling very well already reduced at total angling in Shrewsbury to £599.99 from the £679.99rrp
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   Old Thread  #85 16 Mar 2019 at 7.54pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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100%

I love that feeling of when you first cast your rods out all your kits away ready for the session ahead and you sit back and relax.

Then wake up next day puzzled

I just think thereís that much choice that thereís no need to be uncomfortable. Itís like some see fishing as a military exercise. I take what kit I need to be comfortable not to make do. I want to enjoy my time on the bank not suffer or wish I had taken something.
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   Old Thread  #84 16 Mar 2019 at 7.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I was too...
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   Old Thread  #83 16 Mar 2019 at 7.26pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Ah yes but we were all pimply faced yoofs then...not glass backed crooked owd twisters
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   Old Thread  #82 16 Mar 2019 at 12.31pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Doesn't matter if they do, there's something on the market for everyone. We've never had such a great choice of kit as we do these days, some would do well to remember that. Used to be if you want a bivvy then you had a brolly and nash wrap as that was all their was pretty much
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   Old Thread  #81 16 Mar 2019 at 12.29pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My job means Iím dashing about all day, job to job, in between on the phone, evenings doing invoices, six days a week for six months of the year, sometimes seven days a week. When I go fishing I want to sit on my fat lazy arse.

This might have a bearing on why I never catch feck all.
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   Old Thread  #80 16 Mar 2019 at 12.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I agree. I use the shelter to sleep. My hours awake are spent fishing I.e. looking for, and attempting to catch carp.

But in fairness we all go for different reasons and some guys enjoy chilling in the bivvy I guess.
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   Old Thread  #79 16 Mar 2019 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Surely people canít spend that much time under a bivvy / shelter that height plays a massive part. Iím 6.0ft use a pram hood Jrc peaked defender and have zero issues. Same with the Korum mk2 day shelter or the fast and light.

If itís dry then sit in the door way or outside to get a better view of the lake. So many seem to turn up cast out and hide for 24hrs.

If you donít like low shelters buy a taller version or taller bivvy. Donít see the big issue.

Why not just get a 6x6ft tarp and slant it over head as a rain cover if heights really that much of an issue.
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   Old Thread  #78 16 Mar 2019 at 11.50am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not often in this country then
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   Old Thread  #77 16 Mar 2019 at 11.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Weather permitting I just sleep under the stars

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   Old Thread  #76 16 Mar 2019 at 11.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Or just pitch the bivvy on level ground
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   Old Thread  #75 16 Mar 2019 at 9.43am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
It's all a vicious circle. You get a bivvy with a good height at the front, you pitch it on sloping downwards ground, you then cannot see out the front properly. You buy a lower bed, you can then see out the front, but then the "low space saving" bed is that low, you cannot store anything substantial underneath it and also it becomes a struggle to get out of when your getting on a bit. You might even buy a lower profile bivvy to match the low bed, but then you have to duck as you try and get out the door fast, plus once again, sloping ground will make the front too low. To aid getting out of a low bivvy, I always position my water container to the right hand side of the door so I can use the handle to help me up and steady myself.

Based on the theme, how long down the line will it be before anglers complain about 9' and 10' rods being to short and can they be made a bit longer.
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   Old Thread  #74 16 Mar 2019 at 8.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Years ago I used to be an avid user of a low basic Brolly , as most of my fishing is 9pm to 9am over-nighters Ė the speed of setting up/tackling down was brilliant with just 2 x Storm Poles and a few pegs.

BUT, you only need to tear the muscles at the base of your back once- via struggling to get out of a sleeping bag with not enough head room to straighten up first. Then two weeks on morphine based pain killers just to get some sleep, and then the crawling around on the floor every morning trying to stand up via grabbing a Radiator, kind of teaches you a lesson.

Iíve never used a low shelter of any kind for years since that episode, and Iíve had zero back problems either.
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   Old Thread  #73 16 Mar 2019 at 0.54am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I have been looking at those, the pegging ropes are really putting me off tbh.
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   Old Thread  #72 15 Mar 2019 at 10.32pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Going to give the oz tent a go been looking and messing for two years, that covered porch bit just looks to fit all needs,plus the up and down time helps

Comes on Monday, can also pop it up in garden to dry off, them bivvys are just awkward things, devils spawn.
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   Old Thread  #71 15 Mar 2019 at 6.55pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like the old Titan hi tops from the 90s??
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   Old Thread  #70 15 Mar 2019 at 6.51pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My mate is always banging on about how low everything is and about his bad back.... a hefty price to pay for being able to see over stuff and being able to reach tins etc from high shelves
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   Old Thread  #69 15 Mar 2019 at 5.20pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I'm on about smaller shelters, you can't just say brollies as a shelter as theres too much cross over nowadays. I don't class a supa or AIr V1 as a bivvy, even though they have the flexibility to be one, a bivvy to me is a much bigger shelter, one I'd be comfortable in for a week in France.

I don't want a bigger shelter I want a taller one at the front it can still have the same footprint
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   Old Thread  #68 15 Mar 2019 at 4.08pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I'm with Jerry and co.

This is all about choice, and at the moment there are far too few bivvies with enough headroom to choose from. Low bivvies are more fashionable so there's lots to choose from. Like it seems many others, I'd never again buy a low bivvy.

One of the problems is that most bivvies seem to be a variation on a theme, perhaps picked from a standard catalogue and with the tackle company's logo on and, if you're lucky a minor change to differentiate it.
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   Old Thread  #67 15 Mar 2019 at 1.04pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Like buying a mini & complaining you can't get a 3 seat sofa in the back. There's plenty of tall shelters on the market, some are so tall you can stand up & walk around in them.

There's no gap in the market. A brolly serves a specific purpose, it just seems that a minority want the brolly style but with the height/space of a tall bivvy which obviously doesn't work. There's never been a better choice of shelters on the market, literally something for everyone, but you still can't please some people.
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   Old Thread  #66 15 Mar 2019 at 12.40pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Is a bivvy not a shelter then bud?

Bivvys, brollies, systems... they're all shelters surely? Or am I behind the times with my terminology?

Assuming you're on about brollies, why would anyone get a brolly if they wanted a big shelter?
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   Old Thread  #65 15 Mar 2019 at 12.25pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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There isnt a gap .... because taller bivvies already exist
Obviously, but I thought were talking shelters
Half dozen repeat moaners doesnt qualify as product research or a trend
No but it makes us feel better *

* trend out of context
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   Old Thread  #64 15 Mar 2019 at 12.19pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Not true, read JADS post, the EVO was height adjustabl

I know the benefits of an Evo ... Ive had four of them ..... They are indeed height adjustable, however if used as an open fronted shelter it needs to be very low to get any protection. Absolutely useless in that respect if set at highest. If set at its highest the footprint becomes very small and the same people will moan because they cant get their 20kg wideboy extra padded bedchair in

Again this thread wouldn't exist if that were the case, much like the modern trend for non fully reclining day chairs and the odd need for arms on chairs.

Half dozen moaners does not qualify as product research or a trend

I can't help but think there's a gap for a manufacturer, and the popular brands are catering to the new younger generation, imo missing a trick. There are a lot of anglers getting older who have more disposable and more time, and a lot of those anglers aren't the fickle 1 year wonders.

There isnt a gap .... because taller bivvies already exist ..... This has been triggered again because of the Pioneer release ..... The Pioneer does maybe cater for a certain type of angler ..... If you dont like it, you are not the type of angler the product is designed for
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   Old Thread  #63 15 Mar 2019 at 11.51am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Correct.
I'm old, grumpy, got a bad back and I like to moan about low shelters.

It's what we do

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I bought a Bloxx. Keith knows a bit about engineering and if it's good enough for him...........
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   Old Thread  #62 15 Mar 2019 at 11.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I'm 6ft 1 and find the V1 brolly fine whilst sat on a bedchair......people only moan about low shelters once they have bad backs or other age related bollox......
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   Old Thread  #61 15 Mar 2019 at 11.08am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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what a crock of sh*t !. One man sized shelters have always been low
Not true, read JADS post, the EVO was height adjustable and IIRC my Supa Brolly has/had 3 pegging points too.

There is so much choice, we have never had it so good
Again this thread wouldn't exist if that were the case, much like the modern trend for non fully reclining day chairs and the odd need for arms on chairs.

I can't help but think there's a gap for a manufacturer, and the popular brands are catering to the new younger generation, imo missing a trick. There are a lot of anglers getting older who have more disposable and more time, and a lot of those anglers aren't the fickle 1 year wonders.

Moan yes, fickle no

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   Old Thread  #60 15 Mar 2019 at 10.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That too, it's quite comical people moaning their shelter is too low. Ffs why did they buy it then! It's not like you can't find dimensions easily enough, and more often than not if people got off their ass and went to have a look for themselves rather than looking at a picture online then ordering blind then they'd have nothing to moan about..
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   Old Thread  #59 15 Mar 2019 at 10.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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If there wasn't a call for low shelters, they wouldn't sell any
You mean they wouldn't buy it anyway then moan about it for the next 2 years?
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   Old Thread  #58 15 Mar 2019 at 10.14am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It seems as though as you can't see the point of it, then there can't be one. If there wasn't a call for low shelters, they wouldn't sell any, and then wouldn't make them in the first place.. It's quite simple, supply and demand. Some people like them, others don't. Just like most things in life. If we all liked and wanted the same things, then there would be no demand for so much choice
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   Old Thread  #57 15 Mar 2019 at 9.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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if you read post one ???
its more of a question to start a discussion

thats what forums are good for a platform to share ideas and discuss things of course you will get few snidey little ****s that just have digs thats % for you but you get lots of good ideas and good and bad points raised
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   Old Thread  #56 15 Mar 2019 at 9.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Does that work jack ? Tying a knot in the tension strap ? Sounds like it should
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Glad it's not just me that thought this!
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That's what I thought nick, why people have to moan about a problem that doesn't exist or s beyond me...
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   Old Thread  #53 15 Mar 2019 at 7.24am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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just jack them up? Or tie a couple of knots in the tension strap and raise it up that way?
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   Old Thread  #52 15 Mar 2019 at 6.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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That'll never happen Ian.

There's plenty of tall shelters available but let's pick the lowest ones and moan. If anything, there are more taller shelters now than there's ever been.
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   Old Thread  #51 14 Mar 2019 at 8.46pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Looks like someone had run out of things to whine about....
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My hog and Nash canvas is great and probably slightly smaller than the new trakker/aqua products. So Iím not phased. Otherwise for 3 plus nights Iíll use my power plus. As yet during the last 20 years Iíve not seen any thing that has tempted me to change although Iíve always been interested in whatís available.

Ultimately there is plenty of bivvies out there to do the job you want.

I managed in a brolly camp and felt the profile and canvas was superb till the brolly died after some 8 years.
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I have a Fox Continental Easy Dome for long sessions, on a lake with big swims. Which I love. However there is a need for a more compact footprint for smaller swims . Would be nice to still have the height, and a smaller footprint.
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   Old Thread  #48 14 Mar 2019 at 6.05pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Fair response .... but you can buy a bigger shelter .... there is still loads of choice
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I agree, and when i was a youngster i have slept in a pup tent ,on the ground in an army sleeping bag in 4 inches of snow. However I'm now a lot older, and wiser, and due to an idiot driving into the back of my stationary car, have a bad back. We are all different and have different histories. I need a good sized shelter. My days of staying awake all night under a 45" brolly are sadly long gone.
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what a crock of sh*t !. One man sized shelters have always been low. They are compact and low because its the best design for resisting the worse of weathers. Christ, 1man tents designed for all weathers are considerably lower and you really do need to crawl in and out. I used to use a wavelock brolly that had to be pulled down so low you again literally crawled out to get any protection. same with an Evo and Tempest Brolly

People have short memories. Fishing is not meant to be camping .... It can be if you want it to be (nothing wrong in that), but fundamentally a 1man bivvy/shelter isnt suitable, it is just a shelter to sleep in with a bit of stuff, and when in your bed the door is plenty high enough to watch the water. If you want to can sit upright and watch the water and a 1man is to low to sit on bedchair for this, then get a seperate low chair or buy a 2man bivvy .... there are still loads to choose from. There is so much choice, we have never had it so good .

Us anglers have to be some of the moaniest and fickle bunch in society
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   Old Thread  #45 14 Mar 2019 at 4.42pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The M3 is actually 5 cm higher so this is not a new issue.
The M3 compact is 6 cm smaller in height.
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How does that size compare to the compact m3??
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I've got an original armadillo which iirc is 270w x 230d x 135h If this had a flat back and a peak and was 150h it would be perfect for me. Does such a bivvy exist?
Edit been doing some research and seen the Fox R series 1 man xl if i was in the market for a new bivvy this would be the first on my list. Anyone got / used one? Does it live up to the sales pitch?
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Probably youngsters in the trade giving it Large.......... well Small init.
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Are we not talking about compact shelters here gerry? How big do you think the footprint is gonna be when you spread the bivvy to get it lower?

Can you not pull the sides in more on the pram hood type shelters to raise the top?
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The Titan hide xl is great much better head height
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I've got the Bloxx Compact and there's head room a plenty, love spending time in it for that reason alone
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He's not wrong.
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   Old Thread  #37 14 Mar 2019 at 11.21am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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You can make a high shelter low by the way you peg it out but you can't make a dwarfs shelter higher no matter how you peg it
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   Old Thread  #36 14 Mar 2019 at 10.57am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Could not agree more, Iíve a JRC Bloxx as well Ė plenty of head room and still only has a 3 metre floor plan, itís not perfect as you stated, but far better to use than all these ďPigmy HutĒ alternatives.

I also have a Sonic Supa-Dome, which is almost as high, and thatís a Brolly system.


I can see a lot of anglers having some serious back problems later in life after using some of the crap on offer
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   Old Thread  #35 14 Mar 2019 at 10.53am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Maybe, but I always use the front, and have the door fully open. Unless rain is driving in.
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   Old Thread  #34 14 Mar 2019 at 10.29am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Give it a couple of years and we'll all be complaining that shelters are too tall so you have to use a front all the time.

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   Old Thread  #33 14 Mar 2019 at 10.19am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Doesn't look like it based on this thread.
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   Old Thread  #32 14 Mar 2019 at 10.16am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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They're all designed in Europe buddy, just manufactured in China.

Well they don't know their market then do they?
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They're all designed in Europe buddy, just manufactured in China.
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   Old Thread  #30 14 Mar 2019 at 10.05am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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My gripe exactly.

I have voiced the same question on here before too.

I ended up buying a JRC Bloxx Stealth (Stealth?) because it was the highest one I could find. I'm 6' 1", in my sixties and not as flexible as I used to be - like many others. Looking for a new shelter (my A-Lite died sadly) I was rather bemused when wandering round the odd display of them that they were all so low. The JRC isn't perfect as the back slopes away but it isn't bad. I could have bought a 2 man something or other as these always have more headroom but I didn't need that amount of floor space.

Its funny but on the lakes I fish, most people seem quite tall and virtually all complain about the height of shelters. Who advises the manufacturers (or the Chinese). Perhaps the average height of users is the key. The average height of a UK male is 5'9" whereas in china it is 5' 6". Hmmmmm.
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   Old Thread  #29 14 Mar 2019 at 9.39am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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What Oval system do you use ?

Used to have the Nash years ago & was great tbf
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   Old Thread  #28 14 Mar 2019 at 9.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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It's actually 2.2m tall, but you aren't fitting a bedchair in one.
I had a cheapo Shakespeare one years ago, it worked well as a windbreak but didn't stop me getting soaked
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   Old Thread  #27 14 Mar 2019 at 9.34am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Its the reason I liked my old Evo, I could have it high when sitting on the bed chair in nice weather, when the weather really turned nasty I could lower it save me having to use a fronted bivvy. another reason I don't like the new one, paying for fronts you don't need.
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Yes If a beach shelter meant for open windswept areas can be 150cm high. Why does a bivvy need to be 130cm high. I will never buy another shelter less than 150cm high.
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   Old Thread  #25 14 Mar 2019 at 8.41am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I went back to an oval brolly and overwrap for a few reasons, and height is one of them.

I'm only 5ft 11in tall, and do have a bad back from years of sports. Low, low chairs and low sunken shelters make me ache all over as I bend and slouch.

I noticed 2 comments on the thread, about door height and having the bedchair as far back as possible, again the plain brolly takes care of that problem.
When I sit under the brolly, the door is not a problem, the door 'frame' is around top of my chest/neck height so getting up and out is easy; stick the overwrap on and I've lost around 9inches.

I do have the bedchair as close to the front as possible, I like the area behind the bedchair for storage, and I often keep the back legs folded and extend the front legs on my chair and sit across the bed.

I'm not sure camping does quite have the answers; it is 'survival' camping, very low tents, room for a bedroll or luxury camping, high tents with room for the family.

The Shakespeare Cypry or Hutchy Apotheosis (or its predecessor) while coming from a camping background were probably described as 2 man tents. Put in them fishing now they are outdated.

Fishing, and life, has a way of creating a market for items we don't really need.
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   Old Thread  #24 14 Mar 2019 at 8.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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And a herniated disc.
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   Old Thread  #23 14 Mar 2019 at 8.11am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Because it looks carpy
You get the clothing, get the right rods and reels and set up them up in 'that' certain way and then finish 'that' look will with an ultra low shelter
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   Old Thread  #22 14 Mar 2019 at 7.49am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
The compact shelters are intended to save size and weight, make you more mobile. If you don't want a low/compact shelter you're not forced to buy one. There are loads of options out there, literally something for everyone. You always have the option of a traditional brolly if you're looking to save weight but want a higher front. They've been about forever and almost every manufacturer offers one. If weight/size isn't an issue just get a bivvy.

I'm 6.3' and use the lowest of the lot. You need to bear in mind we all have different ideas of what makes a shelter decent. I can't stand these massive bivvys but I understand that's what others want/need.
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   Old Thread  #21 14 Mar 2019 at 7.44am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
I usually use open fronted shelters. And even on my solace HD shelter, Which isn't exactly tall, I've found in wind and rain I have to ditch the tension strap and spread it as wide and low as possible to keep my bed dry.

It sounds like some of you want one of these
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   Old Thread  #20 14 Mar 2019 at 6.47am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Certain brands arenít bad. KORUM for example. There shelters are fine for head height just a littler slowed to set up ( mk2 day shelter ) The Cyprinus fast and light I seem to have to leopard crawl in and out. And I bet thereís a matter of seconds in difference setting the two up.
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   Old Thread  #19 14 Mar 2019 at 1.58am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Not only are they too low, the top of the door rolled up hangs down so you can't see.
I have to clamp mine up with my forceps so I can see out when sitting down.
Just 6" or 150mm higher would be helpful.
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   Old Thread  #18 14 Mar 2019 at 1.31am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
So why donít us carpers go out and buy a normal camping tent ???
Iím sure thereís one in a carpy colour somewhere 😂
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   Old Thread  #17 14 Mar 2019 at 1.22am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Perhaps we should all admit were getting old and theres more money to be made from those 'on trend' who are younger and are the future
We're only been fishing for decades....what do we know.
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   Old Thread  #16 14 Mar 2019 at 1.12am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
the v2 has the pelmet hanging down for the zip in fronts,that what makes it lower then the v1, the actual brolly head height is no lower only the front .
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   Old Thread  #15 14 Mar 2019 at 0.35am Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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EXACTLY the new Pioneer too low !
the new Tempest Brolly too low
On the subject of Tempest brollys seen so many people saying their V1 brolly was higher than the V2 brolly and they regret changing !!!!

the only one would be the Nash XL Hide thats got a reasonable height ?
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No it seems people are not liking the pioneer either seen a few on ebay one on now for 540 starting bid with skullcap.A local shop to me struggled sell the first 3 on pre order and now has more to shift.Perhaps people have learnt there is far better value money to be had now and don't want these tiny low shelters
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   Old Thread  #13 13 Mar 2019 at 11.39pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Don't like em T, seen the latest adaptive, bit of a embarrassment to Carp fishing if I'm honest. Vents should be as high up as poss, hot air doesn't sink, should also have side baffles on the vents Been camping over 25 years fishing shelters are s***e in comparison.
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   Old Thread  #12 13 Mar 2019 at 11.34pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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The new trakker armo v4 has vents in the back but think you can peg the material out aswell as rolling it up
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Thing is who cares how tall the front is we (assuming) nearly always put the bed to the back, for me a vertical rear would be better for water run off and ventilation. When will the Carp manufacturers look at the camping sector who have decades more experience than them. For example, on long stays why not peg out ventilation flaps.
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   Old Thread  #10 13 Mar 2019 at 11.13pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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100% agree here some of these so called shelters are a disgrace and should have health warnings.

Crawling around bivvys and rooting for gear is not my idea of a good session.

Trouble is small compact shelters look good and big ones don't plus the rip off factor.

Earlier this week in between cleaning my game guns and getting ready for the french trips I watched Steve Brigg sat in a Nash gazebo somewhere in France, wow, now that's a shelter, come in handy for the garden parties too, so out of place with carp fishing but that's the future right there.
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   Old Thread  #9 13 Mar 2019 at 11.10pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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I think the same 👍 I am 6ft 2 in I've got a fox ultra 60 and I am sick of it already... Next time I am looking for shelter with good height, not a two man just a high front with alot of room.. Might look at a hide xl or a titan maybe..
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   Old Thread  #8 13 Mar 2019 at 11.02pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Which one are you
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   Old Thread  #7 13 Mar 2019 at 10.49pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
Stability..: Probably copied from oval brolly users, where you often have to slam the brolly to stay dry and not have it blow away.
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   Old Thread  #6 13 Mar 2019 at 10.48pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Gerry, I've made said posts in the past, no good reason, tbh it's quite pathetic. If you had to spend any reasonable time on the bank in one of the modern hobbit holes you'll always get a bad back.
At 1st I thought it was because I'm a 6 footer but now I'm beginning to think most Carp anglers are hobbits and I'm unusual.
Same re chairs, too short in height, moving away from full reclinability, who the feck is advising the manufacturers.....all I can think is the 'field testers' dont actually field test, or are super fit, or the manufacturers simply don't give a poop.

Edit, Trakker, adaptive ventilation at ground height....re writing physics re hot air rising....ffs
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   Old Thread  #5 13 Mar 2019 at 10.44pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Itís simple. I advise most of them, well me and my six brothers.
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   Old Thread  #4 13 Mar 2019 at 10.43pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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yea saving money ?
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No I get what you are saying Gerry but the tackle companies must have there reasons for it
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   Old Thread  #2 13 Mar 2019 at 10.37pm Login so you can post / reply  Register so you can join in!
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Nope! Iím with you.

When I was at NAS i asked the aqua rep if there shelters were for dwarfs, he didnít find it amusing at all!

Not sure where Iíd look now for something with decent head height.
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Other than manufactures SAVING MONEY on materials by making silly low shelters

I cant see the point in a low shelter ? I mean if the bankside bushes and trees were lower than the bivvy there would be an argument that you would want a low bivvy/brolly because of the silhouette thats not the case though is it !

it really does not make sense to me to have a shelter that you cant sit on your bed without ducking down to see out or your heads touching the top or you have to run out bent double
am I the only one that thinks this way ?
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