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In reply to Post #68
What's the reasoning behind links like these.
There doesn't seem to be anything in the link that will affiliate it with the poster to generate money for him.
Is it if there are enough clicks we will see the shop featured in pop ups ads, or is it something else.
I can't see it making any difference to sales of beds.
Anyone know the reasoning?
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In reply to Post #66
Oh dear 
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In reply to Post #66
What bivvy do you fit that in and does it fit in your car with the rest of your fishing gear?
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In reply to Post #64
The Ch08 was less hard and felt better for me compared to the Sp C-tech, the sp C-tech is a Top bed but the mattress is not for me, i prefer Trakker Levelite's high-density foam mattresses.
Here you can read more about the CH08
Ch08 forum link
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In reply to Post #55
Did you find the solar ch08 to be less firm and more comfy mate ?
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Been using a trakker levelite ELS for 3 years. Its just to firm and gives me back ache and shoulder pains. Most comfy ive owned was a fox flatliner by a mile. Its seem better days but its coming out if retirement next week.
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In reply to Post #61
yes that's the stuff
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In reply to Post #60
would this stuff be OK you think ? only paracord in 7mm I can find it 50+ metre spools.
https://www.military1st.co.uk/27507b-mfh-rope-7mm-black.html
Doesnt say Paracord but other sites have it listed as such.
Have seen many people say need 7mm for the Levelite
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In reply to Post #58
Can be yes , I've done the whole of mine using 6mm cord
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In reply to Post #57
And what thickness paracord please?
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In reply to Post #57
I presumed all of the mid section but is it worth doing the whole thing ?
Thanks
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In reply to Post #56
Depends on what sections you want to cord, but 6m max will be fine
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In reply to Post #4
Anyone know roughly how much paracord you would need for a bedchair?
Trakkel levelite els.. Think it's the larger model.
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After a
-Sonik Levelbed (decent for his price)
- Nash Mf60 (couldn't stay on the mattress for 5 minutes)
-Solar Sp (to firm for me)
-Fox duaralite (no single leg lock, matras was good but i think the quality is not that good for his price)
- Solar Ch08 (found it better then the Sp range
i ended up with a: Trakker levelite oval tail, there is absolutely no need for a sim on this bed.
I hope one day that Ridgemonkey will come out with an adult bed, my son's Rm junior bed mattress is so good to lay on and the bedchair build is top quality.
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for me I have a wychwood tactical standard bedchair,sim and gardner Carp duvet compact.
I took the sim off for a couple of sessions on my last 2 sessions as I wanted to see what/if any difference it made....ive put it back on today. I slept OK on the 2 sessions I had without it but its so much more comfy with it on.
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Used a Thermo rest for 20 years didn’t feel the need after getting an Avid Bedchair. May get one again one day as they are good.
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In reply to Post #49
I've got the exact same mat and it fits under the sleeping bag on my Fox Duralite fine. No issues zipping the bag back on at all
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This is a very individual choice, lots of different opinions and as usual Nash take a pasting on here. Can't argue about weight, size, comfort or design. We all make our choices. However the 5 season sleep system on the indulgences cannot be described as cold or draughty. That is simply not true.
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Each to there own on this one, I have lower back pain and find the wychwood tactical x with a sim perfect for me, I have an ancient trakker peachskin bag, keeps me warm in all weathers, decent base layer essential in winter.
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In reply to Post #3
Gerry, would one of these mats work with a sleep system bed? As in do you think there would be enough room to still zip the bag on?
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I have a compact size Trakker ELS for one/two nights and a standard size ELS for anything longer they have been by far the best beds I have ever owned, not the lightest bed even in the compact but weight over comfort is something I wouldn't sacrifice especially as I'm getting older, coupled with the Trakker layers 2 to 4 season bag I have which under the 4 season layer is the warmest I have been in any bag I've owned during the Winter never once woke up cold/feeling cold, my feet are the biggest problem I have always changed socks for bed but once there cold I'm done even hot water bottles in the past have never helped last winter or this one I haven't even had a need to get the hot water bottle out.
I had the SS3 when it first launched prior to the shroud being developed when it had the mesh webbing under the mattress, first cold night was the last time I used it and it wasn't even Winter just a cold draft blowing in the door I felt like I was in a sky diving simulator then Nash put out the shroud and wanted the punters to pay the price for it for one of their extensively trialed products 
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In reply to Post #45
Haha....I was probably lying on my SS4. Thinking F##k me this is bloody uncomfortable. It sags like my nanna's tits, draftier than windy castle & gives me back ache trying to manoeuvre the bloody thing.  ...now where's the dog sh1t emoji.
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In reply to Post #44
Exactly what I have, Best combination I’ve found 
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In reply to Post #44
It’s alright you saying that now. But where were you three years ago when I bought the poxy thing.
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In reply to Post #43
Trakker ELS, Inflatable Mat, & a good sleeping bag
Those Nash Sleep Systems are garbage!
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In reply to Post #42
And how is the sleeping bag in the fox flatliter ? Do you do winter nights with it ?
I've been doing some research and the avid is at least £70 more than the fox flatliner . But to be honest that's not much of a concern when spending 250 / £300 anyway.
What makes you say that the avid wouldn't be as warm as the fox?
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I use a fox flatliter mk2 and highly rate it , as do everybody else I know who owns one .
I do like the look of the new avid sleep systems and would like to try one of those . I’m don’t think the sleeping bag would be as warm as the fox one though
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In reply to Post #39
No need when you have the right gear, plus bivvy heaters can be death traps
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In reply to Post #39
Never needed one. Decent clothes and sleeping bad is more than enough.
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In reply to Post #38
Is there any need for a bivvy heater When using a decent bedchair sleeping system like the avid ?
Until now all my night fishing has been done mostly in the summer months , but there's so much good fishing to do all year !!
It seems a shame not to take advantage of it ....
So do you think I would need a bivvy heater along with a the sleeping system ..
I'm not sure there's much point as I'm sure bavy's leak heat like a sieve !!!
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In reply to Post #33
Ive got the avid memory foam one and its very comfy - legs are a pain in the ass though, shame no locking mechanism on them to stop them flopping about when setting it up/taking it down but once up lovely.
merv
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In reply to Post #36
Take your pj’s and a teddy bear to the big one and bed down for the day.
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In reply to Post #35
Cheers for the recap .
That's exactly what I'm going to do !!
Lol DON my pj's and go and try them out 
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In reply to Post #28
Mine is the standard width one. I've used a wide it before and didn't find it comfortable tbh. As for those saying it's not warm at all, I don't get it. Plenty warm enough imo
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In reply to Post #32
Had the SS3 then a SS4, through a friend in the trade, were good but not perfect. A mate had a Flatliner, which I tried, then sold my SS4 that week for the Fox.
The Fox was far more comfortable, for me, anyway.
Its lasted well, and by the end of the year Ill buy a new one. Ive got my eye on the new Solar after mates have raved about it ( just the bedchair, not the sleep system ) If the SOlar doesn't suit me, Ill happily buy another Fox Flatliner kingsize, a lovely nights sleep.
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In reply to Post #32
Fox flatlighter
Solar SP
Avid benchmark if you want memory foam
Trakker ELS
Now all you need to do is go to a big tackle shop and try them all out.
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In reply to Post #31
Lol so Nash it is not then !!
Thanks for the opinions lads even though that are only like you say opinions but some good advice can go a long way ..!
So if I had to narrow it down what would you recommend ( To recap ) ps NO NASH trash lol
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Most comfortable bedchair
Is there such a thing, Ive had quite a few trying to find one!
Still following the old designs like sheep. Make a proper mattress ffs, folds into two or something on a frame with adjustable legs.
I used to work shifts for a lot of years and If i was not at work I was sleeping on the bank, or a least trying to, absolutely shattered, **** bedchairs 
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In reply to Post #26
Just another opinion, I think it’s fine, and have used a memory form mattress at home for ten years.
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In reply to Post #28
Nope, mine was the wideboy and hated it. Uncomfortable and not warm. The only other bedchair that was more uncomfortable was a JRC Stealth 
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I have the SS3 ,5 season wideboy and love it , I fish 12 months a year and find it very warm and supremely comfatable
May its because mine is a wideboy and not a standard , I also have the under mattress shroud , but as mentioned everyone is different
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In reply to Post #26
I will do the same thing as I also the helium 3.8 I have used it on top of the benchmark over the winter and it was lovely.
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In reply to Post #20
Avoid memory foam in summer it's too warm.
I take mine off and put a helium 3.8 on for the summer few weeks.
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As Gerry has said … All about opinions
Ive tried a few and the best Ive had is a Cyprinus Memory Foam …. Thing is a dream to me
Had a mate borrow it and he nearly melted saying it was to hot
Youll find what works for you only after doing a couple of nights in it
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In reply to Post #1
The Avid Benchmark XL is the most comfortable one I've tried. I didn't think much to the Nash one.
The matress on the Benchmark is the closest thing to a bed. You just sink into it. Very comfy.
I got the sleep system and very happy with it. It's bloody heavy but I'd rather get a good nights kip!
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In reply to Post #11
Totally agree, hated it with a passion. The Flatliter Mk2 is streets ahead in every department for me
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In reply to Post #21
Is that the latest ss3 you’re talking about Gerry. I had one was the worst , had to end early a 48 hour sesh because I could lay on the piece of ***** for more than 20 minutes. Destroyed my back. Couldn’t get rid quick enough
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OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUMS we all have one
and I have had a few Nash Indulgence beds they were ok in their time
but then I bought a SS3 Sleep system beyond any shadow of a doubt the WORST bed I have ever owned by a country mile 
owned and used pretty much all the different makes of beds over the years currently using a Trakker Levelite ELS Bed and hand on heart best bed I have ever used
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In reply to Post #19
I See a memory foam mattress topper for week long trips pure luxury
For a cpl of nights I use the self inflating mat like Gerry
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In reply to Post #18
Had my nash ss4 for just a few weeks before selling it. Worst bed i have ever owned left me crippled had to get help packing up and go home after 1 night of a 3 night trip the last time i used it .had a levelite els for years it sorted the back problem out but its not that comfy now i have put weight on its been a good bedchair otherwise .Got the new solar one on recommendations so will see how that goes as not used it yet.
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Interestly a bloke on our syndicate was complaining about his Nash sleep system saying it just wasn’t warm.
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In reply to Post #15
Which version was this?
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In reply to Post #14
Nope, I rated my ss3 so much I've recently replaced it with another one
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In reply to Post #12
Ok where do I start.
It’s saggy. So bad that I had to remove the elastics and paracord it just to make it useable and even now it’s still poor.
The padding around the frame is so thin that the metal digs into your arms if you turn over.
The actual bag just isn’t warm. It’s nothing like good enough. I know I’m not a young man anymore but with this bag I have to use it with a thermal cover or I will be cold. In fact the bag is so rubbish that for the odd winter night I do now I’ve ditched it altogether and gone back to my old aqua bag which is sooo much warmer.
Also I often get a cold back as the matress just isn’t think enough when using the sleep system so the cold from underneath comes up.
Just a poorly designed product. I’m no real fan of fox gear but wurzel74 has the flatlighter and its streets ahead of mine. One of the lads bought the new solar bed at NAS and we set it up on the stand. Man that thing was comfortable. I could have set it up in the stock room and slept like a baby.
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In reply to Post #13
Does anyone else agree with steering clear from Nash ???
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In reply to Post #12
avid benchmark memory foam bedchair very comfortable.
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In reply to Post #11
Why do you hate the Nash sleep system so much Wayne?
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I absolutely hate my nash sleep system. Was talking to a couple of mates at the weekend about it and I came to the conclusion that in 25 years of buying dedicated carp tackle , it ranks up there as one of the worst purchases I’ve ever made. Never again.
Take a look at the new solar bed and also the fox flat lighter. For my personal taste they were so much better than my crappy gash bed.
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In reply to Post #9
Mine is a 4 leg in the middle and then one leg at the top and one night at the bottom there is only elastic at the top and bottom in the middle ( where my back is ) it is canvas directly around the metal tubes !
To be honest it's a Caperlan and and the time I didn't want to buy an expensive one as I wasn't doing too much night fishing but now I would like to have something more comfortable to encourage me to get out more !
How do you go about testing one and you really only can sit or lie in it for a few minutes at the shop it's not as if you can try one for a night .
Or failing that just go full commando in the shop and get to grips with it LOL
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In reply to Post #3
They are ok but if your frame is poorly designed (doesn’t lay flat) a mat won’t help you. I’ve used one for decades but as I’ve aged it just wasn’t enough when doing anything more than a night.
A thermarest is great and I preferred mine on the ground than on a bedchair.
I’ve not bothered using mine since I’ve had an avid bedchair.
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Comfort is a personal thing like Wayne said. Lots recommend the Trakker, I hated mine and sold it , got a Cyprinus memory foam and love it.
I would say if possible have a good long lie down on one.
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In reply to Post #5
yes this one it can stay on your bed all the time =LINKY POO
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In reply to Post #5
Keep away from cheep beds wychwood ,cyprinus so hard uncompfortable Trakker fox are good
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In reply to Post #3
Can you recommend any certain brands, thinking about getting one after reading this.
Cheers
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In reply to Post #1
Before buying a new bedchair, try replacing any elastic with 9mm paracord/rope. Less than £10 will do more than one bedchair with ease, and will turn a sagging old bedchair into a new one almost! First thing I do with any bedchair I purchase now if it is fitted with elastics. Makes that much of a difference.
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In reply to Post #1
Buy a self inflating mat (SIM)
the type that backpackers use it will be a lot cheaper than a new bed and transform the comfort 
this video will explain it better than I can CLICK HERE
EDIT
As we are not laying on the ground and we will be using on top of a bed we DONT need it to be too thick or inflated too much
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In reply to Post #1
My comfortable may not be your comfortable or anybody else's......You really need to try before you buy and i mean more than sitting or lying on one for 2 minutes...... 
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Hi I'm looking for a new bedchair as mine is horribly uncomfortable . I was thinking of a Nash indulgence mk4 wide .
Looking for something wide nothing under 90 cm.
200£ to 300£
Ideas ???? 
Looking for something mega comfortable
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